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(Komo)   Man protects his daughter, survives mauling and scalping from grizzly bear. "I could feel a tooth going into my scalp...At that point I thought, 'hmmmm you can die from that,'"   (komotv.com ) divider line
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2005-09-10 01:03:06 AM  
Talk about taking a beating for you're kids.
 
2005-09-10 01:05:49 AM  
Johan Otter is the ultimate HERO. Godspeed, and prayers.
 
2005-09-10 01:09:47 AM  
Mother (and father) love is one of the strongest forces on earth
 
2005-09-10 01:10:05 AM  
Farking spelling errors already. Why won't people learn to spell in their only language?
 
2005-09-10 01:10:18 AM  
I don't go into the woods without a sidearm, duhh. This is not unusual in the NW.....Cougars especially.
 
2005-09-10 01:14:19 AM  
Spelling errors aside, I have to say that its a very well written article about a hair removing story.

Best wishes to him and his daughter.
 
2005-09-10 01:18:45 AM  
Spad31 [TotalFark]
Ya know what, get over the "SP?"'s already. There are only your types here to grade you. Most care more about what yout think than how you express it.
 
2005-09-10 01:24:56 AM  
Damn, just watched that one on the news, wow!
Guy's in a halo with stitches all across his head. eye's messed up and so's his arm. Kinda reminded me of leatehrface....shudder!
Surprised he's even alive.
A big Hero, good luck to him.
 
2005-09-10 01:35:39 AM  
Crosshair

your
 
2005-09-10 01:37:39 AM  
The dude even has a manly name. Johan Otter. Say it. You know you want it.
 
2005-09-10 04:13:16 AM  
GaryPDX

Yah. There's a reason Alaska Wildlife officers pack handcannons. It's to slow the bear down enough so they can get to their shotguns.
 
2005-09-10 05:52:44 AM  
Chariset: Mother (and father) love is one of the strongest forces on earth

I always thought it was the male need to hump. Fancy that.
 
2005-09-10 05:53:33 AM  
I never go into the woods with a sidearm. I would have to be a moron to think that a sidearm was the best way to protect myself and my family from animal attack. In fact, a sidearm is more likely to be used against me in an attack than a bear is likely to rip my scalp off. That's why this guy made national news and the idiots who let their kids kill other people, each other, or themselves with sidearms generally don't.
 
2005-09-10 05:57:23 AM  
ToeKnee666

That's your prerogative, buddy. Just don't keep the rest of us who know we're not at the top of the food chain in the forest from carrying, okay?

/yes, that includes allowing firearms in Federal preserves again
 
2005-09-10 08:24:24 AM  
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2005-09-10 08:25:14 AM  
Emogeek


Chariset: Mother (and father) love is one of the strongest forces on earth

I always thought it was the male need to hump. Fancy that


The female has always been the more dangerous of the species. We don't fight as often, but when we do, we fight tooth and nail. Don't EVER get between a mother and her offspring. Especially if they're a bear.
 
2005-09-10 08:27:33 AM  
Hey man, next time your daughter should stick to playing with Gummis instead of Grizzlys.
 
2005-09-10 08:29:12 AM  
Today I learnt that "instinctually" is a word in the English language.
I also learnt never to go hiking wherever there might be protective mother bears.
Both facts could one day save my life.
 
2005-09-10 08:31:01 AM  
nativefloridian:
"The female has always been the more dangerous of the species. We don't fight as often, but when we do, we fight tooth and nail. Don't EVER get between a mother and her offspring. Especially if they're a bear."

Bet your ass. I'm even wary of getting between my female friends and their babies, and they LIKE me. I've noticed them watching like a hawk out the corner of their eyes, cause im a big clumsy guy whos picking up their kid.
Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936)
The Female of the Species

WHEN the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

When Nag the basking cobra hears the careless foot of man,
He will sometimes wriggle sideways and avoid it if he can.
But his mate makes no such motion where she camps beside the trail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

When the early Jesuit fathers preached to Hurons and Choctaws,
They prayed to be delivered from the vengeance of the squaws.
'Twas the women, not the warriors, turned those stark enthusiasts pale.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Man's timid heart is bursting with the things he must not say,
For the Woman that God gave him isn't his to give away;
But when hunter meets with husbands, each confirms the other's tale
The female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Man, a bear in most relationsworm and savage otherwise,
Man propounds negotiations, Man accepts the compromise.
Very rarely will he squarely push the logic of a fact
To its ultimate conclusion in unmitigated act.

Fear, or foolishness, impels him, ere he lay the wicked low,
To concede some form of trial even to his fiercest foe.
Mirth obscene diverts his angerDoubt and Pity oft perplex
Him in dealing with an issueto the scandal of The Sex!

But the Woman that God gave him, every fibre of her frame
Proves her launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same;
And to serve that single issue, lest the generations fail,
The female of the species must be deadlier than the male.

She who faces Death by torture for each life beneath her breast
May not deal in doubt or pitymust not swerve for fact or jest.
These be purely male diversionsnot in these her honour dwells
She the Other Law we live by, is that Law and nothing else.

She can bring no more to living than the powers that make her great
As the Mother of the Infant and the Mistress of the Mate.
And when Babe and Man are lacking and she strides unclaimed to claim
Her right as femme (and baron), her equipment is the same.

She is wedded to convictionsin default of grosser ties;
Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies!
He will meet no suave discussion, but the instant, white-hot, wild,
Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.

Unprovoked and awful chargeseven so the she-bear fights,
Speech that drips, corrodes, and poisonseven so the cobra bites,
Scientific vivisection of one nerve till it is raw
And the victim writhes in anguishlike the Jesuit with the squaw!

So it comes that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer
With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her
Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands
To some God of Abstract Justicewhich no woman understands.

And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
Must command but may not governshall enthral but not enslave him.
And She knows, because She warns him, and Her instincts never fail,
That the Female of Her Species is more deadly than the Male.
 
2005-09-10 08:31:39 AM  
Just the bear facts, please!
 
2005-09-10 08:40:38 AM  
Chariset: Mother (and father) love is one of the strongest forces on earth


As a stay at home dad of 5 years, with 2 kids, I find your sentence insulting, due to its structure based on this article.

I get zero respect. From my "friends" who mock me for not supporting my family, to my own MOTHER who tells me 'men are not equipt to care for and raise children, to the 100's of people that call me "Mr. Mom" (implying I do a MOTHER's job, and not simply a "parent's") and clerks at Target that say "And where is their mother?" or "Are you 'babysitting' today?"

So now we read an article about a father being the greatest hero of all for his daughter and all you can say is "Mother (and father) love is one of the strongest forces on earth???

Yes, I agree with you. But to place fatherly love in parentheses, as if it's an after thought, especially based on what you just read, I actually find insulting.

I'm not insulting YOU, or putting you down. I'm just telling you I found it insulting.

/not kidding at all
 
2005-09-10 08:41:20 AM  
I was kinda hoping that upon reading the story I would discover he went ninja on that bear's ass and beat the crap out of it. That would've been awesome. But, it's cool he took that for his daughter and that he'll make a full recovery, even if it will be without hair.
 
2005-09-10 08:42:48 AM  
buntz: /not kidding at all

Man up Nancy,

Our lot in life is to provide without recompense, or praise
 
2005-09-10 08:43:05 AM  
buntz
STFU and get a proper job!

/I keed, I keed
 
2005-09-10 08:44:14 AM  
he otter be more careful in future
bahdump-chhhh
 
2005-09-10 08:45:04 AM  
Kanemano: Man up Nancy,

Not looking for praise at all. I AM reminding people to give respect where it is due. And I will tell you "Man up, Nancy" made me laugh out loud.

Chariset However, you could have been talking about the bear, in which case I take back what I just said.
 
2005-09-10 08:46:25 AM  
Hey, that guy looks like Bruce Willis, with the facial expression and the 'Die hard' smile.

/wants to buy him a beer
//our society needs more parents like this man
 
2005-09-10 08:46:50 AM  
buntz did you breast feed too?

/sorry
 
2005-09-10 08:46:59 AM  
no worries
 
2005-09-10 08:50:41 AM  
I don't think anyone is trying to insult you,buntz, at least not here. "mother love" is a phrase, an old one, but still a phrase we've heard before. (At least I have.) Father love--I've never heard that expression before.

Now you know how it feels to be at the wrong end of a stereotype. It happens to everybody who doesn't do what every moron in the world expects them to do.

P.S. Don't get a divorce, OK? Your "father love" doesn't mean squat in a family court either.
 
2005-09-10 08:57:05 AM  
Again, didn't think she was trying to insult me.
Not attacking anyone.

Just letting you know that I found it insulting.

And I have heard of Mother Love. But it's not applicable to this story, unless you're talking about the bear.

And just how do you know that I'm not ALREADY at the wrong end of a stereotype?
I find that assumption INSULTING!! And furthermore......!!!!
 
2005-09-10 08:58:06 AM  
all kidding aside, I'd rather be a stay at home dad and/or be able to work from home and bring up my kids at the same time.

good on ya buntz!
 
2005-09-10 09:03:17 AM  
Damn it buntz, you seem a little stressed! You'd better call in the kids' mom to hold down the fort for a little while so you can take a break.

It's not that you're not doing a fine job--you are--it's just that, well, men are not as mentally or emotionally capable of taking care of little children.

/moron
 
2005-09-10 09:03:17 AM  
ToeKnee666: I never go into the woods with a sidearm. I would have to be a moron to think that a sidearm was the best way to protect myself and my family from animal attack. In fact, a sidearm is more likely to be used against me in an attack than a bear is likely to rip my scalp off.

Well, a firearm is no magic amulet. And you are correct, firearms are not the best way to protect yourself from an animal attack - staying the fark out of the animal's way is. Especially bears are usually not aggressive, if you just leave them alone. But that's just not an option if you happen to cross a bear's path (like these two did). And in that case, you'd better be packing and you'd better know how to use your firearm.

If you are not comfortable around firearms or don't want to learn how to safely handle one, well, that's fine. I have no problem with that. In fact, it's probably a good idea to stay away from guns if you feel that the likelihood of losing your firearm to an attacker is so great. (I mean no offense by that.)

Oh, and what soze said.

That's why this guy made national news and the idiots who let their kids kill other people, each other, or themselves with sidearms generally don't.

Without getting into a flame war about gun control - what exactly has this story to do with people who can't or won't teach their kids the basic rules of gun safety, can't be bothered to secure their firearms and/or pay attention to their kids. Frankly, I don't see the connection.
 
2005-09-10 09:04:03 AM  
"So he'll wind up having a thin layer of skin, a layer of muscle and then the skull," says Dr. Vedder. "So it essentially reconstructs his scalp. The one thing it doesn't reconstruct is the hair."

I guess he'll never have to worry about male pattern baldness
 
2005-09-10 09:06:05 AM  
Sorry if that last comment seems too snarky. The guy IS a hero.
 
2005-09-10 09:08:47 AM  
Day-ammm!
 
2005-09-10 09:10:42 AM  
Hummmm...next time I'm in bear country, I will take this:

[image from img397.imageshack.us too old to be available]

/Don't own a pistol.
//Been in bear country many times.
 
2005-09-10 09:12:13 AM  
The grizzly bear was thinking "ah this will be easy pickings". But little did she know she picked a fight with THE CALMEST MAN ON EARTH!!!

"Oh man, she ripped off my scalp... I was going to need that..."
 
2005-09-10 09:13:46 AM  
UberDave: //Been in bear country many times.


I only go to Beer countries.
 
2005-09-10 09:14:57 AM  
You morons think a handgun will stop a full-grown grizzly charging at you? Think again.

And the bear is faster than you, so running from it will also not help.


Will someone please do a photoshop of that guy to make him look like a Borg? I think it would work.
 
2005-09-10 09:18:24 AM  
he already DOES look like a Borg!!
 
2005-09-10 09:22:42 AM  
You can take any pistol, any size, the biggest one you can find - and it won't stop a Grizzly one bit. It'll keep coming without even flinching. You'd need a high-powered rifle to do any kind of damage to a bear. That's not to mention that any national park prohibits firearms, period.

Most bears will leave you alone if they know you're coming. Heck, black bears will, most of the time, opt to tree their cubs, take off and come back after you've left. Not so much with brown/grizzlies. But yeah, the guy did the right thing - a grizzly is apt to leave you alone if you play dead (wherein a black bear is apt to keep chewing on you a bit longer than you care for).

All in all, the guy did the right thing. Kudos to him, hope he gets back on his feet soon, and big props to him for protecting his daughter.
 
2005-09-10 09:28:22 AM  
That guy is one hell of a guy.
 
2005-09-10 09:28:33 AM  
You morons think a handgun will stop a full-grown grizzly charging at you? Think again.

Google the ballistics of the .454 Casull cartridge. Ruger recently introduced a short-barrel handgun chambered in it called the Super Redhawk Alaskan. Its specific purpose is self-defense against bears, etc.
 
2005-09-10 09:28:51 AM  
This happened in a national park. You aren't allowed to take a loaded firearm into a national park. No, I don't care if there are bears.....we sell pepper spray for $9.99 at our gift shop.

All kidding aside, if you're the type to carry a gun everywhere, you probably aren't going on too many nature hikes anyway.

The grizzly bear was thinking "ah this will be easy pickings". But little did she know she picked a fight with THE CALMEST MAN ON EARTH!!!

heheheheh. Snort.
 
2005-09-10 09:41:13 AM  
Hercules: You morons think a handgun will stop a full-grown grizzly charging at you? Think again.

A DE chambered in .50AE might.

/wouldn't want to try that
//that's why I said firearm (firearm != handgun)
///plus, I'm talking TSHTF scenario, not a hunting expedition; the .44 Mag on your hip trumps the rifle in your gun safe
 
2005-09-10 09:44:48 AM  
Hero tag, indeed-
had it been me, I might have thought a moment about shoving her in front as a shield- thoughts of what she'll cost me in college and her wedding and all...

but only for a moment.
 
2005-09-10 09:46:46 AM  
I used to regularly hunt boar with a .44 Ruger Blackhawk; if you are hunting in a thicket, it's the only sane weapon in my book.
Will stop a bear, but like with boar, you might just knock her out, you really need armor piercing to go through the skull from dead-on.
Used to carry it when I could still hike (I fell off a cliff) with my kids, mainly for protection from Homo Sapiens.
 
2005-09-10 09:47:09 AM  
I am instantly reminded of the episode of the Simpsons where Maggie summons up supernatural strength to save Homer from drowning. Since it's kinda the same, except reverse.
 
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