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(Freed Dried Movies)   Topher Grace to play Venom in "Spiderman 3," but the real villian is obviously the casting director   ( divider line
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2005-09-08 09:34:59 PM  
This doesn't please me at all.
2005-09-08 09:35:29 PM  
It could work. Get a really skinny guy to play Brock, then, you can play up the differences between he and Venom, namely Venom's more obvious connections to Jose Conseco.
2005-09-08 09:35:55 PM  
SmashAdmams but, but, HE STARTED IT!

Haha, I could really care less but if nobody cares anymore than why even bother? Cast your granmda as Venom! Once Hollywood has hit the bottom of the comic book barrel, they'll just keep digging deeper and deeper as they always have...
2005-09-08 09:37:32 PM  
Sorry about the name mangling there Smash but I know you'll forgive me, being the sensitive nancy-boy you are...
2005-09-08 09:38:41 PM  
Venom... even in the cartoon series it took like three or four episodes to explain it. I'd love to see it in a movie, but shiat, not with Sandman and Hobgoblin in it.

Best way I can imagine it working is somehow Spidey gets the alien costume at the end of the third one, setting us up for Venom in possible sequel. Hopefully Spiderman 4, if it happens, won't turn into a Schumacher shiat-fest... especially considering Raimi expressed interest in making a fourth film.

2005-09-08 09:41:34 PM  
If you want to cast a real scary villain, go for the real thing, Dick Cheney.
2005-09-08 09:51:33 PM  
Way too many villains. It's gonna Batman on us.

As for Topher Grace.. I'm thinking that since they're jumping Harry Osborn into the Hobgoblin (less confusing than becoming the Green Goblin II and then having someone else bacome Hobgoblin), they might blend Carnage and Venom's characters, in which case Topher might work:

He starts out a nebbish like Peter was, but not so kind-spirited. He's a rival at The Daily Bugle who's jealous of Peter, for whom everything is going right for a change. Then now-beloved-New-York-superstar Spidey unknowingly gets the symbiote from rescuing Jameson's kid from a crashing shuttle returning from Mars and starts to go apeshiat aggro from its effects while fighting new baddie and Doc-Ock-fusion-accident-victim Sandman (which lets Spidey's rep get soiled again), and then passes it to Eddie Brock during a confrontation or something (which makes the link between Spidey and Venom's powers and allows the audience to bypass the messy Secret Wars origin). Then Eddie starts getting spidey-powers, bleaches his hair and cuts it short, starts working out, and goes about as a black-suited spider-vigilante (further damaging Spidey's rep), getting more out of control each 'rescue' until Sandman returns, gets whomped stupid by Venom, who is now mindlessly ignoring consequences for bystanders and in a confrontation with Spidey, we find out the symbiote has taken him over and the suit isn't just a suit when he yells at Spidey and his mouth opens massively like it does in the comics, all teeth and tongue and saliva. From there he's more Carnage than Venom, going psychotic and less humanoid in appearance, perhaps even turning from black to blood red, until the last-minute 'reaching the man within' thing at the end, like they did with Doc Ock, and Venom apparently is killed or separated from Brock (who's off to the loony bin), while Sandman gives up crime or gets glazed or mixed into concrete or something.

...But see, that leaves out Hobgoblin. Hobby needs his own movie. Harry Osborn's descent into drugs and madness, culminating in his daily battles to keep his soul is worthy of its own movie, perhaps set against the parallel of The Lizard, since both are good men who develop demented alter-egoes.

Then in Spider-Man 5, they could do the wedding of Peter and MJ, but to throw a wrench in it, bring in The Black Cat.

...And The Shocker.

...And I don't mean the guy with the quilted suit and the Fukuoku gauntlets.
2005-09-08 09:56:12 PM  
None of the comic sites have confirmed this, so I call BULLSHIAT.
2005-09-08 09:56:15 PM  
I never thought I'd say this, especially not while thumbing through my Invader Zim collection, but you guys are bunch of geeks in desperate need of a life.

The X-Men and Spider-Man movies are some of the few good films to come out of the genre, largely because of the directors involved. Could any other geek forsee how good Alfred Molina was as Doctor Octopus? Or how Willem Dafoe was able to make the Green Goblin a decent character despite the Power Ranger Armour?

Brett Ratner WILL screw up the X-Men franchise, his casting has confirmed that. Ghost Rider will suck, anyone who's seen Daredevil will know that much. So don't worry about any crazy rumors you may hear. I know that Spider-Man, Venom, Sandman, JJ, Rocket Racer, Aunt May and the Hypno-Hustler are all in good hands.

Besides, Topher Grace will actually be playing:

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So there.
2005-09-08 09:59:38 PM  

Morpheus is not impressed.

\Gaiman rules
\\Almost as much as slashes
2005-09-08 10:02:34 PM  
Look, geeks telling other geeks to get a life is just painfully stupid. I mean it. You're hurting my head so just knock it off. That expression died as soon as it was born back in 1986 on SNL...

William Shatner: You know, before I answer any more questions there's something I wanted to say. Having received all your letters over the years, and I've spoken to many of you, and some of you have traveled... y'know... hundreds of miles to be here, I'd just like to say... GET A LIFE, will you people? I mean, for crying out loud, it's just a TV show! I mean, look at you, look at the way you're dressed! You've turned an enjoyable little job, that I did as a lark for a few years, into a COLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME!

Now the Chris Elliot tv show of the same name on the other hand made me blow milk out of my friends' nose it was so funny!
2005-09-08 10:05:21 PM  
You got a problem with Topher Grace? Never watched his TV show, but mark my words, he's the next Tom Hanks.

/Rachel McAdams is the next Julia Roberts
//only Julia 2.0 can actually act
2005-09-08 10:05:32 PM  
2005-09-08 10:10:48 PM  
2005-09-08 08:24:40 PM R5D4

Venom is the worst spidy villian ever created. Eddie Brock is an ex-journalist writing about the Sin-Eater murders, but has the wrong man pinned as the criminal.

Spidy busts the real Sin-Eater (actually, the police shoot him after Spidy defeats him) so Eddie Brock is MAD AT SPIDY for busting the real killer!


So in other words, you're a journalist who puts his entire reputation on the line for what you think is the biggest story of your carreer, the one that will really prove your worth. Then some guy comes along who the entire city thinks is a menace and points out that you put all your time and effort into a hoax.

Yeah, I can buy that.

The alien symbiote costume that Spidy obtained in Secret Wars hates Spidy also for managing to remove it, so it seeks out another who "hates" Spidy as much as it does and finds Eddie Brock. Together they make up Venom.

So the symbiote goes through all this trouble trying to be ally the things that the host wanted to be, only to be completely and utterly rejected by its host.

What's Spidy supposed to do, let the killer go free so Eddie Brock has a story to write?

Eddie Brock wasn't just pissed off at Spider-Man, he was pissed off at God and the universe for jerking him around. The idea was that God shouldn't have let him down and that God shouldn't have given him a false lead.

Of course, since Eddie Brock couldn't necessarily fight the universe, "Spider-Man" just served as an easy face for him to target his frustrations on.
2005-09-08 10:12:01 PM  
theyll stumble on the set and topher will switch with toby
2005-09-08 10:12:56 PM  
No matter what Rami does, I trust him. He has treated Spidey fine in the past.

Everyone freaked out at the choice of Toby McGwire as Spiderman too, if I remember, and now I can't imagine anyone else in that part.
2005-09-08 10:15:03 PM  
what sort of farktarded casting is that???

obviously they're trying to kill a perfectly good superhero franchise.

sort of like the awful awful batman forever.

gag gag gag.

there's quite enough venom story that he could fill a couple movies by himself instead of playing this "how many villians can we pack into one movie?"
2005-09-08 10:15:35 PM  
Relax, people...All we've got here is a goofy website citing "inside sources!!" and "Topher's bulking up!!!" as its only evidence that Venom's in the next movie. It's 2005, we should know by now to take a deeeep breath before reacting to something like this on the web.
2005-09-08 10:16:12 PM  

Let this be the first and last time that I ever agree on the notion that Dolph Lundgren is perfect to play anything.

Unless, of course, they decide to make a Duke Nukem movie.
2005-09-08 10:16:40 PM  
As long as they cast Gilbert Gottfried as Electro, I'll be happy.
2005-09-08 10:18:44 PM  

I don't know about the rest of you, but I humbly submit that OwnTheRide inadvertantly wins this thread for all the wrong reasons.

And here I was about to retreat back behind the curtains, where people are more courteous and generally well-behaved. For your TotalFark-like behavior, I invite you to join us backstage for a month... on me. Note the TF tag next to your name now.
2005-09-08 10:20:19 PM  
Get it? Michael Jackson as the Chameleon?
Ahhh Hahahahahaha! Ahhh Hahahahahaha!
2005-09-08 10:24:16 PM  

Let this be the first and last time that I ever agree on the notion that Dolph Lundgren is perfect to play anything.

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I beg to differ, punk.
2005-09-08 10:25:21 PM  
Don't know where I read it but I thought I had read that the astronaut (jameson's son) from 2 brings back the symbiote from outer space as he was shown going to at teh end of 2.
I dunno
/quit reading comics after McFarlane quit doing "SpiderMan" title
/has no idea what this Ultimate SpiderMan you speak of is
2005-09-08 10:26:32 PM  
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no farking way. boooooo hollywood.
2005-09-08 10:39:54 PM  

the other guy was normal, pre-change Beast. Kelsey is playing blue, furry-mothafarka Beast. i for one think it should be bad-ass. personalities align and all.
2005-09-08 10:41:19 PM  
cometboy, well if you're gonna do that...

[image from too old to be available]
As Spiderman???!?!!??!

(substitute the above with baby photos of christopher reeve, middle school photos of christian bale, etc)
2005-09-08 10:42:32 PM  
Dumb-Ass-MonkeyYet another reason I don't read USM......

You should if you like Spider-man. In my opinion, it's a lot better than the Amazing books; it's really well written, and not jumbled by the screwed up crap that happened throughout the 80's and early 90's that they're still trying to work with.

I give it a hearty recommendation, like it a lot.
2005-09-08 10:46:44 PM  
Hasn't it already been officially released that Church is playing The Cameleon
2005-09-08 10:48:46 PM  
carnage , yes... venom, no!!1
2005-09-08 10:49:35 PM  
Topher looks fairly similar to Toby McGuire build wise, and wenom/spiderman always had a resemblance. I think it'll be just find. Besides, it's not like you see venoms face.

i've heard a lot worse about xmen 3.
2005-09-08 10:52:55 PM  

they're prob going to go with the "ultimate spider-man" venom origin where Brock's only a few years older then peter, and the venom suit is something both of their parents worked on.

Yet another reason I don't read USM......

If you would actually read the story, it's actually much better than the normal origin of Venom.

By the way, here is Ultimate Eddie Brock:

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Not so bad.
2005-09-08 10:53:12 PM  

I love Bagley's artwork, but Bendis writing is very overrated. Haven't you noticed that in a 6 issue story arc, only 2 or 3 fights actually take place? His characters do nothing but talk for half the issue, and spend the other half looking at each other with sullen, accusing glares.

And yes, JMS sucks donkey balls.
2005-09-08 10:53:36 PM  
Notice how even the worst fark threads have some semblance of civility, even when they're about politics and religion but when they're about comic books or movies or movies about comic books, suddenly everyone's a faggot or a shiathead? Go back to aicn.comm please, kiddies.
2005-09-08 10:55:48 PM  
Please. Topher Grace? Give me a break. He'll always be Eric Forman to me. Besides, wasn't Eddie Brock supposed to be a rather large man, larger than spidey? I guarantee that if you threw someone like Topher in prison, he'd be someone's biatch in about one minute.
2005-09-08 10:57:14 PM  
I dont belive it. Raimi said, no venom. When I see the trailers, Ill belive it.

Though Topher may be able to pull off Moebius....They already set up Man-Wolf in Spider Man 2...

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2005-09-08 11:05:10 PM  
I'm torn between my love of Venom and my disbelief that Topher Grace could play Eddie Brock. To be fair though, nobody's seen what Topher looks like "bulked up". He could wind up like Edward Norton and be completely ripped, yet still small. On that note, I could buy Mr. Norton as Eddie Brock.

So to conclude, I'm hoping the casting director(s) were doing the same amazing job they've done for the previous two movies and saw something in Topher that the rest of us didn't.
2005-09-08 11:05:29 PM  
Hey guys.

What the hell is "Freeze Dried Movies"?

Credible Spider-Man 3 news would be on the front pages of all the major nerd sites, and yet none of them - not CHUD, not AICN, not Dark Horizons - makes any mention of it.

I only know three things for sure about Freeze Dried Movies: One, I've never heard of it; two, it gives no sources for its "news"; and three, it crashes my browser every time I click it.

Relax, boys. Raimi's done a good job with Spiderman so far, there's no reason to freak out just because the internet equivalent of a raving crackhead totally says so.
2005-09-08 11:11:49 PM  
when i thought brock i thought:
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but that's probably just because of tyler durden.
2005-09-08 11:12:24 PM  
This should be REALLY cool.

And nice to yukichigai with the Ed Norton comparison.
2005-09-08 11:19:25 PM  
1. Peter Parker was not the mumbling morose character that Toby Macguire portrays. Peter Parker is a happy kid who has a crush on Mary Jane but is otherwise fun to be with.

Nevertheless, I was entertained by the first and second Spider-Man movies.

2. 'Batman' - 1 villain - good
3. 'Batman 2' - 2 villains - meh
4. 'Batman 3' - 2 villains - ugh
5. 'Batman 4' - 3 villains - barf
6. 'Batman Begins' - 1 villain - good

7. 'Spiderman 1' - 1 villain - good
8. 'Spiderman 2' - 1 villain - good
9. 'Spiderman 3' - 3 villains - Warning: Barf Predicted
2005-09-08 11:27:10 PM  
polecat_bastard: Honestly when I thought of Brock my first thought was Dolph Lundgren, but only by look. The poor guy can't act his way out of a bag, regardless of how much ass he can kick.

My second thought was Dominic Purcell:

This was assuming they were following something close to the original plotline with an older Eddie Brock. Using something like USM's plot a bulked up small dude -- possibly the aforementioned Topher -- would fit best.

However they do it I really hope that Venom isn't just dealt with and never comes back again. One of the interesting things about Venom was that after a while you started to emphasize with the guy a little; sure, he's violent and a little crazy, but he's not necessarily evil. He just hates Spider-Man.

Of course there's the possibility that this is all crap speculation. I can think of a few other villains which my first instincts tell me would be better for Topher. Then again, I'm not a casting director.
2005-09-08 11:28:12 PM  
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Damn link problems.
2005-09-08 11:29:25 PM  
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Brian Thompson would make a good Venom IMHO
2005-09-08 11:29:34 PM  
could someone please explain to me how Man-Wolf and Lizard were set-up in the 2nd film? I'm not a super hardcore fan, but I'd like to know.
2005-09-08 11:38:03 PM  
could someone please explain to me how Man-Wolf and Lizard were set-up in the 2nd film? I'm not a super hardcore fan, but I'd like to know.


Man-Wolf is better known as whatsisface Jameson, JJ's kid. (The one Mary Jane was engaged to) He originally became the Man-Wolf due to an accident while on a mission in space. His introduction in the last movie already provides plenty of motivation for the character to hate Peter/Spider-Man, and all the writers need to do in order to make him the Man-Wolf is send him into space again.

The Lizard is better known as Dr. Connors, the one-armed professor who had the little talk with Peter about focusing more on school in the last movie. In the comics he became the Lizard when he injected himself with an experimental regeneration serum created from enzymes found in a type of lizard that can regrow appendages, in an effort to regrow his missing arm. He regrew it... and then he grew a tail. And scales. Et cetera, et cetera.

Of course, there have been plenty of other villains set up in prior movies. In Spider-Man 1 there was mention of Eddie Brock of course, (Venom) but about half of Peter's graduating class winds up becoming supervillains or superheros. Flash Thompson in particular.
2005-09-08 11:38:25 PM  
6. 'Batman Begins' - 1 villain - good

Batman Begins had two villains...Scarecrow and Ra's al Ghul.
2005-09-08 11:45:45 PM  
Batman Begins had two villains...Scarecrow and Ra's al Ghul.

This is true, and that movie did indeed kick a whole lotta ass. I think the key difference though is that the villains didn't exactly team up, nor did Batman fight both of them simultaneously.

Or it could be that it wasn't written like the 70s series with a bunch of acid and PCP thrown into the mix.
2005-09-08 11:46:06 PM  

More villians if you include the various crime bosses, corrupt cops, and others that Bruce/Batman whooped on his way up the chain of command.

/LOVED that movie.
2005-09-08 11:54:50 PM  
Its a farking movie. I rather enjoyed Spider-man and Spider-man 2, and both were EXCELLENT flicks that stand alone for someone like me that isn't a hardcore Spiderman faggot.

So if Spider-man 3 sucks... well there are still 2 good ones.

Unlike complete CRAP like the Fantastic 4 and Hulk... they failed on the first try.
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