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(News.com.au)   Three hundred Arkansas National Guard troops have landed in New Orleans, with authorization to shoot and kill "hoodlums"   (news.com.au) divider line 809
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2005-09-01 10:05:29 PM  
playtime is over kiddies
 
2005-09-01 10:08:25 PM  
About. Farking. Time.

/Applauds
 
2005-09-01 10:08:49 PM  
finally. order needs to be restored. these are not looters, these are criminals that are impeding rescue efforts.
 
2005-09-01 10:09:27 PM  
Why the sad tag? Other than it's sad that these extreme measures are necessary to restore order.
 
2005-09-01 10:11:07 PM  
PacManDreaming: Why the sad tag? Other than it's sad that these extreme measures are necessary to restore order.



Probably because it was only 300
 
2005-09-01 10:13:10 PM  
I hate hoodlums. They're always walking all over my flower bed.
 
2005-09-01 10:18:54 PM  
People in this country are animals.
 
2005-09-01 10:19:42 PM  
If it takes bullets to stop the criminal insanity going on in the Gulf region, I'm here to support that.
 
2005-09-01 10:20:54 PM  
"These troops are fresh back from Iraq, well trained, experienced, battle tested and under my orders to restore order in the streets.

"They have M-16s and they are locked and loaded.
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Bad.ass.
 
2005-09-01 10:22:25 PM  
sad that these extreme measures are necessary to restore order.

pretty much. sad that we've come to this. sociopaths running the city. :o(

/not submitter.
 
2005-09-01 10:22:41 PM  
Whoah fellas, whoah.


You can't be showing harsh feelings here tonight. You're not safe from the ministry of thought if you do.
 
2005-09-01 10:23:27 PM  
Forget ground troops with M-16's. Too easy for the looters to kill. Give me 20 Marine/SEAL snipers with these
[image from cervia.com too old to be available]
and I'll have order restored.
 
2005-09-01 10:24:31 PM  
Let me elaborate: The shiat going on in New Orleans is like a newly discovered cancer on your body. If you don't check it, it will spread and envelop more than you were counting on.

So, deal with the newly discovered cancer with extreme measures. Kill it, stomp it, squash it. Do what it take to cut that shiat off at the pass.

Because, much like cancer, you will be unable to deal with it when you ignore it and allow it to get a foothold.
 
2005-09-01 10:26:56 PM  
Unlike Iraq, I fully support this war.
These people are a direct threat to Americans saftey. And need to be taken out.
 
2005-09-01 10:26:56 PM  
Another perspective:

http://www.volokh.com/archives/archive_2005_08_28-2005_09_03.shtml#1125599174

"Comment on "Armed Response to Looters": In response to David Kopel's post below, my own view is that encouraging vigilante groups in New Orleans to "shoot on sight" whoever they believe is a looter without a valid necessity defense is tremendously dangerous. Such an approach would only help undermine the social order by turning New Orleans from a looting zone into a shooting zone.

Among the problems is that looters can get guns, too, and presumably will try to shoot on sight the "armed citizens" that are trying to shoot them on sight. For that matter, armed looters will presumably say that they are "armed citizens" looking for looters, and will just shoot "citizens" and claim that be believed that they were looters. Who will be able to tell, given that the other side will by then be dead? The looter/armed citizen line is nice and clear in theory, but things get fuzzy and hard to reconstruct in practice. I would rather not encourage the latter to kill the former as a way of restoring social order.

I strongly believe in self-defense, and this is particularly true in the horror of the developing situation like that in New Orleans. But encouraging armed vigilante groups to "shoot on sight" when they see what they think is "looting of concern" (as opposed to necessity-based looting, which is apparently quite okay and even laudable) in a city that is being evacuated seems to me, well, a really really bad idea. Others may disagree, of course, so I have enabled comments. Please note: I realize that these are particularly anxious times, but I am going to be quite relentless in deleting comments that are not civil, respectful, and on point."
 
2005-09-01 10:36:56 PM  
In reference to your post kronicfeld these are not merely vigilantes with a bloodlust. these are trained soldiers fresh from a combat zone who already had to distinguish regular citizens from combatants.
 
2005-09-01 10:40:08 PM  
So wait.

Armed hillbillies from Arkansas being deployed, under orders to shoot to kill people who are, by default, going to be black?
 
2005-09-01 10:42:41 PM  
I don't care about someone taking food so they don't die, but the people firing on rescue workers and the rape gangs need to be stopped.
 
2005-09-01 10:42:50 PM  
This isn't going to end well
 
2005-09-01 10:42:55 PM  
Its a tough call, I'm not against shooting people that are down there perpetrating true crime - breaking into stores to get at "loot" and not items that are necessary. Jewelry, etc.

The problem lies in distinguishing who is really who. I mean is the 17 year old black guy walking down the street with a gun going to kill someone or is he making damn sure he can get medication for his 70 year old grandmother that is stuck somewhere?

Its tough. I sympathize with the officers that are going to have to quell whats going on down there because mistakes will be made. Unfortunately I dont see any way around the problem other than to go in there and do the job and hope only a few people end up being killed.

That being said, IMO any healthy person that wanted to get out (and wasnt taking care of someone who is old/sick) could have gotten out by now.
 
2005-09-01 10:43:00 PM  
I hope that authorization doesn't include people getting food, drink, shoes [via "find" or "loot", I don't care what you call it... if I haven't eaten in 5 days, and nobody around that I can ask nicely... I'll take it]
 
2005-09-01 10:44:40 PM  
shiat, meet fan. You two are gonna be good friends here in a minute.


Anything think its interesting that the NG troops are from Arkansas, a state more known for its gun happy nut jobs than its racial tolerance?
 
2005-09-01 10:45:56 PM  
I agree, rose. If there's any way that all the rampant criminal behavior can be stopped other than using or threatening deadly force it should be done.

But when you've got people shooting at the police, military and evacuation personel I dont know what that solution would be.
 
2005-09-01 10:45:58 PM  
JamesBong: The problem lies in distinguishing who is really who. I mean is the 17 year old black guy walking down the street with a gun going to kill someone or is he making damn sure he can get medication for his 70 year old grandmother that is stuck somewhere?

I think the guy getting meds for his grandmother is going to more likely to put his gun down and surrender and explain whats going on than some punk ass lookin to bust a few caps.
 
2005-09-01 10:46:03 PM  
JamesBong:

That being said, IMO any healthy person that wanted to get out (and wasnt taking care of someone who is old/sick) could have gotten out by now.


People in the superdome were kept in there and weren't allowed to leave. Finally this afternoon the mayor of NO said they can go try to find relief.

Folks not trained properly to deal with those conditions who are dehydrated, hungry, and overheated, aren't going to get far.
 
2005-09-01 10:46:10 PM  
BIATCHIN'

/go kill ya some looters
 
2005-09-01 10:47:41 PM  
JamesBong: I dont know what that solution would be.


I'm not sure anyone does, except all of the armchair disaster management experts hanging around Fark.
 
2005-09-01 10:48:08 PM  
Sweet.

It's time we had some professionals in there.

It's getting out of control.
 
2005-09-01 10:48:17 PM  
rose8199: I'm not sure anyone does, except all of the armchair disaster management experts hanging around Fark.

Technically its a bed, not an armchair.
 
2005-09-01 10:48:21 PM  
Rose

Let me clarify - I consider "getting out" going to the superdome or some authorized rescue/rally point. From what I've seen the vast majority of those folks are acting in a very civil manner considering the conditions. They all need to be applauded for doing the right thing and making it easier for the authorities to rescue people that cant help themselves.
 
2005-09-01 10:49:39 PM  
I'm not sure anyone does, except all of the armchair disaster management experts hanging around Fark.

No kidding.

Jesus, I hope these people get some hope soon. I can understand relief not coming right away, but by saturday I expect it to be there in full force.
 
2005-09-01 10:50:03 PM  
Don't think race is a huge issue in the military...
 
2005-09-01 10:50:09 PM  
how is that scarry? good job, finaly order will be restored.
 
2005-09-01 10:50:55 PM  
I have a hard enough time believing most of the reporters on our news. I doubt I will believe a report from Australia that the Guard can shoot looters....
 
2005-09-01 10:51:13 PM  
RyoShin: /go kill ya some looters

How Christian of you.
 
2005-09-01 10:51:52 PM  
JamesBong:

Let me clarify - I consider "getting out" going to the superdome or some authorized rescue/rally point. From what I've seen the vast majority of those folks are acting in a very civil manner considering the conditions. They all need to be applauded for doing the right thing and making it easier for the authorities to rescue people that cant help themselves.


OK, I understand what you mean. From what I can see on the news I agree with you. Unfortunately, bad news sells. The bad guys are going to get a lot more press time.
 
2005-09-01 10:56:31 PM  
rose8199: The bad guys are going to get a lot more press time.

If it bleeds it leads and all that. I'm so glad I got out of journalism.
 
2005-09-01 10:58:10 PM  
it's this simple. if you have a gun, you are part of the problem and you will be shot. at this point, no measure is too draconian.
 
2005-09-01 10:59:52 PM  
dmeat: how is that scarry?



americans opening fire on other americans will always be scary in my book
 
2005-09-01 11:00:05 PM  
This is so screwed up. I am sad but I am also totally pissed. What the hell kind of government did NOLA have before the disaster? It obviously wasn't/isn't a very good one. Even in harsh conditions, stuff like this doesn't happen unless there's a failure of leadership.

We got the effects here in Tallahassee today... refugees and a run on gas. Most stations are out. The hotels are also kicking refugees out for the weekend to make room for the football crowds. I know it's a difficult decision to make--hotels need the money--but I would feel awful if I knew I had evicted a hurricane victim so I could watch a farking football game.

I do kind of feel bad for the President. Just a little bit. Through either good luck or good judgement, Clinton had it easy; I'm sure Bush thought things would be the same for him. He didn't ask for this stuff to happen on his watch. And he doesn't really strike me as a bad person, just a little bit out of his league.
 
2005-09-01 11:15:09 PM  
The people who need to be shot are the armed idiots who are shooting at rescue and supply helicopters, etc, and delaying rescue efforts. The delay that these people are causing is making a bad situation worse and is likely to cause more deaths due to dehydration and other medical causes. It sounds harsh but it it better to kill a few armed thugs to save as many law-abiding, decent citizens as possible.
 
2005-09-01 11:16:40 PM  
alexanderplatz: The people who need to be shot are the armed idiots who are shooting at rescue and supply helicopters, etc, and delaying rescue efforts. The delay that these people are causing is making a bad situation worse and is likely to cause more deaths due to dehydration and other medical causes. It sounds harsh but it it better to kill a few armed thugs to save as many law-abiding, decent citizens as possible.

I hope they get video
 
2005-09-01 11:20:54 PM  
Anything think its interesting that the NG troops are from Arkansas, a state more known for its gun happy nut jobs than its racial tolerance?

Nope. What is interesting is that they don't mention what kind of "battle-tested troops" they are. Serving in a warzone doesn't mean you've been in actual combat. Hell, they could be desk jockeys who haven't fired a weapon since basic training.

A combat tested infantry company would fit the bill. They know exactly when they have to pull the trigger, and therefore less accidental shootings.
 
2005-09-01 11:21:11 PM  
Oh and to the people assuming that Arkansas National Guard, just having returned from serving our country in Iraq, are primarily a bunch of racist murderers: get your head out of your ass.
 
2005-09-01 11:25:05 PM  
judasdiomedes
it's this simple. if you have a gun, you are part of the problem and you will be shot.

Soooo, it's OK to have a gun when things are going well, but when society/government breaks down and you really need to defend yourself, you should be subject to summary execution if you have a gun?

I wonder what the NRA would think about that?


from TFA:

[Colonel Henry Whitehorn of the Louisiana State Police] admitted that a number of police officers, who had lost everything in flooding after Hurricane Katrina which roared ashore last Monday, had handed in their badges, unwilling to take the fight to looters.

Now THAT is interesting. I seriously doubt the officers are acting out of cowardice. I wonder what's really going on here?

Why are out-of-state troops being sent in to restore order? Where's the LA National Guard? Iraq? Are they fully engaged in relief operations?

"They have M-16s and they are locked and loaded. These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will."

"More than willing." I guess that means eager. I don't think any solider who is actually eager to shoot fellow Americans should be in on this.

I certianly hope the troops will not be gunning down fellow Americans for simple looting of food or water. Or even a TV set for that matter.

Shooting armed gangs who won't surrender is one thing. Shooting some fool for a petty crime is something else.


Finally, I hope the troops won't be too quick to shoot just anybody who has a gun. Despite what judasdiomedes thinks, people do have a right to defend themselves.
 
2005-09-01 11:26:13 PM  
What could possibly go wrong?
 
2005-09-01 11:30:05 PM  
Riche: Despite what judasdiomedes thinks, people do have a right to defend themselves.

They do?

In an emergency/ "Martial Law" (quoted because of legal issues in LA) type situation?

Tell me more... I am intrigued and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2005-09-01 11:31:34 PM  
Riche I suspect that what "eagerness" there is is the result of moral outrage that armed gangs are not only raping and looting, but their interference with relief efforts has probably resulted in deaths that might otherwise have been prevented, such as babies and the elderly dying of dehydration.
 
2005-09-01 11:36:16 PM  
judasdiomedes:

t's this simple. if you have a gun, you are part of the problem and you will be shot. at this point, no measure is too draconian.

I'm not sure its possible for you to make a more ignorant comment.
 
2005-09-01 11:36:27 PM  
Sheila_McSly: This is so screwed up. I am sad but I am also totally pissed. What the hell kind of government did NOLA have before the disaster? It obviously wasn't/isn't a very good one. Even in harsh conditions, stuff like this doesn't happen unless there's a failure of leadership.

I do kind of feel bad for the President. Just a little bit. Through either good luck or good judgement, Clinton had it easy; I'm sure Bush thought things would be the same for him. He didn't ask for this stuff to happen on his watch. And he doesn't really strike me as a bad person, just a little bit out of his league.



Oh wow Sheila! Insightful and mirrors my own views... after the 10,000,000 "Blame Bush" posts this is sooo refreshing!
 
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