I read the article, and followed a link at the bottom for contact information. That led to another blog, evidently somewhat liberal. That's fine... we all hate emminent domain, liberal and conservative, hand in hand. So in the comments, 'Elizabeth' posts:

Please explain what this means. I am at Yale in economics, but I have no clue. I can not be the only one.

And then, about twenty comments later, 'Elizabeth' posts again:

I asked for a small explantion of this post because I did not understand. Of course, as a woman I was ignored. I get the post now, and I get the smug rudeness about this blog. It would be nice to deign to talk to more than a few male acolytes. Care to include me? Ha.

Wow, she's a keeper.

faethe,

I personally don't consider voting out the government in a general election overthrowing it. That's a Hell of a long way from overthrowing it, that how the system is supposed to work.

Touchyournose:

BTW, Alex Jones began discussing imminent domain about 3 months ago when this shiat first went through. See his movies like Martial Law: 9-11 and the rise of the Police State.

Can't be said enough.
And talk about 9/11 should head to the front again; serious questions need to be asked. The Keane Comission was a farce and a whitewash, led by an oilman.

Expose the coverup. And God bless the patriots with the balls to ask questions.

"What was Bader Ginsburg's agenda for deciding to strike down the California medical marijuana initiative? We know Scalia's motive, what was Ginsburg's and her neo-communist comrades' motive?"

It's a well known fact that the Supreme Court likes to bogart.

HowlingFrog


You're getting ass-raped, America. You jeer at those who have been saying this for years, you crack stupid tinfoil hat jokes when confronted with facts.
So roll over and take it like a brave lil cowboy.


Good to see you here again!

It's the apathy. That, and people are just too comfortable. Why bother to fight for your God-given rights when you can just sit there, stuff your face, and watch Jerry Springer?

Am afraid that some of you don't realize that choices and location can be usurpped by the "Patriot Act". Am fearing that's why my small parcel has more then doubled in like 7 yts.

buwolverine:
It's a well known fact that the Supreme Court likes to bogart.


And gain sustenance from the blood of infant Jews, Muslims, or just infants in general. Depends on what's in season.

buwolverine:

I personally don't consider voting out the government in a general election overthrowing it. That's a Hell of a long way from overthrowing it, that how the system is supposed to work.

Too bad we're all too lazy and complacent to do anything that would require our asses to be out in the streets.

/we're beat
//face it
///just kidding
////wait am I?

remus

I believe that's the "just compensation" referred to in the Fifth Amendment.

Of course, when you have the gummint defining "just," you know what happens.

remus:

It should hurt to force people off their land in order to make this a less desirable option for developers.

No, man. It should just be farking illegal.

"Too bad we're all too lazy and complacent to do anything that would require our asses to be out in the streets."

You're preaching to the choir.

Alexandra: Good to see you here again!

Likewise. Been here, but working two jobs while moderating at letsroll911.org.
Snowball's rolling, though. Might be my eternal boyish optimism, but I think more people are starting to pull their heads outta their butts.
The resulting disinfo wave is gonna be incredible; the Popular Mechanics article was nothing in comparison.

I know I posted this earlier, but it deserves to be reposted.
Epsilon
"I know I'm chiming in late on this, but I'm so farking pissed off at this, my head is about to explode. I'm going to get drunk now."
Alexandra
"It's the apathy. That, and people are just too comfortable. Why bother to fight for your God-given rights when you can just sit there, stuff your face, and watch Jerry Springer?"

Bill Hicks
"Go back to bed America, your government is in control again. Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed America, here's American Gladiators. Here's 56 channels of it. Watch these pituitary retards bang their farkin skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go America, you are free... to do as we tell you. You are free, to do as we tell you."

and just because I love him...
/What do atheists scream when they come?
//I was talking about blowjobs and a woman in the audience shouted "You ever tried it?" I said "Yeah. Almost broke my back..."
///Rest in Peace Bill

buwolverine:

I personally don't consider voting out the government in a general election overthrowing it. That's a Hell of a long way from overthrowing it, that how the system is supposed to work.

The system's been hacked.

Brand A and Brand B are both made by DuPont. Liberal, Conservative. With us, with the terrorists. It's pwned, step outside the box.

No, you know what, I think Nike should have your house.

"...Economic development is a community's best opportunity to create wealth
and expand the tax base."

--Michael Joplin, President, NLDC

NLDC- Purpose
The New London Development Corporation (NLDC) is committed to creating public-private partnerships that act as an engine for economic development in New London. The goals of this private, not-for-profit organization are to increase the city's tax base, to promote an increase in the number of jobs available in the city and to enhance the quality of life for New London's residents.

For Argus:

HowlingFrog: the Popular Mechanics article was nothing in comparison.

Guh, huh? What? Got a link? Must've missed this one.

The valuation assessment should be market rate, not market rate five years ago.

That's just robbery.

buwolverine: I personally don't consider voting out the government in a general election overthrowing it. That's a Hell of a long way from overthrowing it, that how the system is supposed to work.


Thats what I meant. We toss the whole thing out - who gives a shiat about the second amendment to begin with? As far as I know - the reason why that was put in there was to make for damn sure the screen door didn't hit them all in the ass on the way out. They WILL fight back, they will pull all sorts of wierd shiat to stop us from having a general election if it comes to that. If congress does not amend the constitution to 'clarify' the fifth amendment (which is fine the way it is but the Supreme Court doesn't appear to think so) we can unseat them, one by one, or en masse I think. I think we can call for a national, general election, then its up to them to scramble. We can unseat the president, then throw out all the executive appointees. We can have the worlds biggest pissing match. But they will not go easy. No they will not. A lot of people are going to suffer if this does not get taken care of immediately. My local Libertarian rep is calling for 'private property militias' - no shiat. People will form militias, and the goverment will get organized. There's enough gun control laws in some places they can likely strip the entire populace and get away with it. We may have to force elections, and that will get extremely nasty. I remember hearing some of the shiat that went down in California went they got rid of Grey Davis - all the shiat that was levelled at Arnold Schwarzenegger that was out and out bullshiat. Worse, it was meant to incite fear. There will be a lot of that going on. A lot of false reporting of banditry and outlaw behaviour. I remember Bush calling the Militia people that were watching the borders a 'bunch of vigilantes', Ordinarily I do not have a problem with Bush - but who the fark does he think he is? That was a LAWFUL, trained militia, who did not act outside thier authority. There will be more of this, if everyone starts to move. Then the bullshiat will come at lightspeed, most likely about random acts of vigilante violence, about how the old man shot in his yard defending his 1/4 acre next to some subdivision was deranged, and all manner of shiat to keep public opinion against the movement.

Fark Me To Tears: To ALL of the people connected to/working for the New London Development Corporation: You're a bunch of pricks, too.

To ALL of the members of the various courts who sided with this nonsense: Pricks once again.

To ALL of the people in the entire world who believe that the city/development corporation are right in this case: Go fark yourselves. You're wrong, and blatantly immoral.


I have trouble believing that all of the above (or possible any of the above, except in the last case) are regular Fark readers.

But then again, there are a lot of Farkers...

HoppingBird: Forget e-mailing them just sign those mofos up for every spam list you come across.

/hope they like midget animal porn


We have a winner.

TheGoodBook: Guh, huh? What? Got a link? Must've missed this one.

It's right here. They took some very controversial points, set up a few strawmen and knocked them down, and did a show to convince the NASCAR crowd. The shiat kinda hit the fan when it was discovered that their main research editor for the article was the cousin of our Homeland Security czar.
It's convincing to anyone who hasn't done their homework.

One of many good responses is here.

We still have the 2nd Amendment..the one right intended to protect all the others.

It just amazes me how stupid that statement is.

Really, exactly how does owning some guns allow you to protect everyones civil rights, or even your own rights? The people losing their homes in New London have the right to own guns; what good did it do them?

If they try to use their guns to protect their homes (shoot at or even threaten the police that come to evict them), the police will kill them, and their families will still lose the homes.

The fact is, the government has many more gun (and better) guns than you ever could. The only way an armed revolt against the government would ever result in anything other than the swift death of the rebels would be if a significant portion of the military mutinied and joined the rebellion.

Of course, with the weapons available to the armed forces today, any such civil war would result in the devastation of this nation, regardless of which side eventually won.

These Montana Militia-type dorks running around in the forest with their second-hand BDU's and Wal-Mart brand assault rifles are nothing more than overgrown boys at play. I used to do the very same thing in the field next to my home, but then I turned 13 and got tired of my Army toys.

So give up the Second Amendment bravado already. Go play with your guns if you wish, but stop trying to pretend that your little firearm fetish is somehow the only thing preserving our rights. It just makes you sound like an ignorant redneck.

Can all of us that don't follow any particular party line or care what a politition calls himself just grab one of the parties from the past and start clean? I mean Whigs, Federalists there has to be some long-dead banner that we can pick up, dust off and rename the American party!
The federal government, not really mattering which sham-party is in office is letting this country down more and more everyday. I used to laugh at the ultra-paranoid people that talked of the collapse of the country but I am not laughing quite so hard anymore. In less than forty years here (in the USA, born and raised) I have seen many changes overtake our country and most of them have not been for the better.
I truly believe that if people don't stop trying to make a maximum short term profit on everything possible with no thought for the long term stability of the country or even their own companies that we will start down a slippery slope that we may not be able to recover from.

/I hope I am wrong...

carridin1:

Really, exactly how does owning some guns allow you to protect everyones civil rights, or even your own rights? The people losing their homes in New London have the right to own guns; what good did it do them?

What good is it doing the "insurgents" in Iraq?

"My local Libertarian rep is calling for 'private property militias"

Thanks for reminding my why I'm not a Libertarian. I go back to the fact that the average militia isn't going to uphold the constitution. Some of them would like to see the 1st amendment go away, some the 13th, 14th and 15th, point being I'll take my chances inside the system against letting those guys in charge.

carridin1: The fact is, the government has many more gun (and better) guns than you ever could. The only way an armed revolt against the government would ever result in anything other than the swift death of the rebels would be if a significant portion of the military mutinied and joined the rebellion.


Watch what happens if those people loose their homes. Or do you think that everyone is just going to sit back and watch property get taken away from them? If it comes down to that, and apathy does stop people from reacting, then its worthless to begin with. But many more people own private property in the United States, and those are the people that will be watching. And if the goverment is going to take away everything you have and give nothing for it, as is happening to these people, then what the fark is there left to loose? Your life? Instead of what? A farking corporate dictatorship? I don;t think so. So while you bemoan the fact that its all going to shiat to begin with, there are others that are willing to draw the line. This is not just us, its the ones that come after. You want your kids growing up in some coporate fief? You want to really experience bread and circuses on a level that will likely beggar anything stalinist Russia ever thought possible? There is money here - there was no money in Russia. There are resources here - there were no resources in Russia. Something like this can run on its own for who knows how long if its alowed to take root.

I STILL don't think anything will come of this. Jeb Bush is particularly pissed off, so are a lot of reps and senators down here.

Wow. I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad I don't live in America.

Apparently, the USA treats its people no different from Iran, Iraq, China, Afghanistan, ... North Korea, Israel... think about it.

Eminent Domain is the brainchild of the Bush Administration; thank all the Bush supporters for this, yet another, human-rights-violating, people-harming fiasco.

/clapclapclapclapclap..

buwolverine: Thanks for reminding my why I'm not a Libertarian. I go back to the fact that the average militia isn't going to uphold the constitution. Some of them would like to see the 1st amendment go away, some the 13th, 14th and 15th, point being I'll take my chances inside the system against letting those guys in charge.


And when your ass is wondering what the fark is going on, and whether anyone gives a shiat what happens to you, you just keep repeating that to yourself. And if you believe that horseshiat about Libertarians, you are probably already farked to begin with so its hopeless. Unless of course you believe the extremes of ALL political parties are the ones that preside over all decisions? Take the red pill - its not worth it.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller

I guess I could post something about how the Supreme Court was just following established precedent and how O'Connor, whose coont every farker wants to lick in sanctimonious joy, would have overruled her own precedent if her dissent had been the majority opinion.

But it's probably more keeping with the tradition of Fark to post lyrics to a stupid song and insult the physical appearance of your fellow farkers. But I don't stoop to that, I just kindly tell people like you to go fark yourself, and you still don't know what you're talking about.

A. My ass always knows what the fark is going on.
B. I already know nobody will care what happens to me. See A.
C. But you can damn well bet it won't be a Libertarian militia uprising that does me in. And no I don't assume that the extreme of the Libertarian party presides over it, I don't assume the Libertarian party is organized enough for anybody to have any sway over it. You can't have that many divergent view points and expect to have a coherent political party, or coherent viewpoints. If they're smart they'll (all) shut-up about militias and campaign on the idea of less government intrusion in private life.
D. I take three orange pills a day, the red ones do nothing for the headaches.

Whenever something outrageous like this happens there are always people who spout off about taking their shotguns and setting things right. For the most part those people are all talk and no action, but many times in history governments have actually driven people over the line. Lately I'm seeing more and more indefensible attacks on personal rights by governments and the corporations that seem to run them, that make me seriously wonder how long it will be before they cross that line again. The times of outright insurrection are never pleasant to live through, and in the times that follow the same people seem to end up back in charge anyway.

USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA!

That country is really starting to suck.

The time has come I think, to seriously look into replacing our current government, they've obviously lost sight of the real goal.

Seriously, I am on the edge of my seat here, just waiting for not just a Civil War, but a Revolution. If heads can roll in France during a revolution, then they can too, in America. Literally. The day the US Government reacts to an uprising with bloodshed of its own citizens is the day we mark on the calendar the start of the American Revolution.

Unfortunately, it's going to be bloody, and if you think terrorism on American soil has changed America in the last several years, this is going to leave terrorism in the dust.

History shows us that a government that turns on its people has to be overthrown, or, failing Revolution, the people will face unprecedented oppression and suspension of basic rights (martial law, for one.) Realise that already the American Constitution is as misinterpreted as the current Government's precious Holy Evangelical Bible, to the point that its original meaning and intent has left America with no Constitution at all!

So are you all going to sit there and watch the Government Cancer eat at America from the inside? Oh probably. Go back your corndogs and baseball while you still can.

/thinks it's funny that Google Earth heavily pixelates the White House - it only makes it easier to find although I think the original intent was so that foreigners, like Canadians, don't burn it down again like they did 193 years ago. Yup, Canadians, the Original Terrorists in America.
//ever notice how totalitarian regimes use the same sort of terminology? ... the Soviets had the "Motherland", the Nazis had the "Fatherland", and the Americans have the "Homeland"
///waits for Godwin-trolls

I hope whatever they build on that spot gets burned.
If they rebuild it I hope somebody burns it again.

gd...channel your anger...

If you won't vote, write.
If you won't write, hold a quorum.
If you few can't make change, stage a rally.
If your rally does no good, form a protest.
If your protest does no good, create resistence.
If resistence fails, try parley.
If parley fails, think of their bodies as tea into the bay.

/waits for a day to prove his patriotism (at least, on the non corporate level)

//prefers a day when money is a dirty word

I can't wait for the evil gene to be identified.

So suddenly everyone is upset about government selling out to corporations... where were all you people during the energy bill, because you know, energy companies need tax breaks even though they're making record profits, or how about banning the importation of prescription drugs from Canada because American pharmaceutically companies don't like the competition.

Scrotar: I can't wait for the evil gene to be identified.


That'll be the same day that the religion gene is identified.

/yup

This usually isn't the gov taking unused private property to build a highway or something. This is the gov being the middle man for Wal-Mart and every corporation who can outlast you in court taking what they want from you unjustly. Anyone who supports emminant domain needs to sell their land to the government for less than sale value right now. After all, it is for the good of the community you jack asses.

What's private property should stay that way.

Lusiphur:

The point remains that before an opresive gvt comes into power, rights are taken away slowly under the guise of public good.

ED as we know it goes back to '30s with Robert Moses, and depriving people of their property for the greater good is as old as America. So how much longer do we have to keep doing it until we become China? 100, 200 years?

You commie farkers still haven't given an excuse for why all the left bending SC Justices voted for it. Anyone? It's because that's what the left believes in. The Government farking over anyone in the name of the common good. Just ask Castro or Stalin when they seized all private property in their countries for the common good.

Now, I'm not condoning it or any violence but...if evil and corrupt CEO's and politicians started dissappearing and turning up sodomized with knives and decapitated a few days later I doubt too many citizens would be up in arms. It's still murder and should be dealt with and all that but I doubt the average citizen would lose any sleep over the issue.

mmm hmm- selling and moving right away sounds good, but they won't be able to do it w/ a legal judgement against the property.

Beerden- ED has been around forever, it's not an original idea from the Bush administration.

NLD CORPORATION is just that, a corporation, a legal entity, that's it. Flooding them w/ mail or email is probably going to leave some poor secretary up to his or her butt in extra work that no one of importance will ever see.

I am not a lawyer or accountant. I know a corporation has to list its' corp officers, but do they list their investors somewhere? Since this is a semi-public corp, would that mean the investors would be listed?

The investors are the ones to target, they are going to be reaping the profits.

I can accept ED for public use, ideally the majority of the population gains something. But in cases like this, the corporations take the land, reap the profits, and the money is ultimately put back into the hands of other private citizens in the form of higher return on investment in the corp.

That isn't even "public good", it's just redistribution of wealth.

How the hell could the city councillors get away with this? I mean if that happened here, city hall would be burned to the ground.

Last year in my city a councillor refused to get involved in a transit strike and so someone dumped a truckload of cow shiat on his front yard. He had death threats and had to get police protection.

Eminent domain to build a Wal-Mart or whatever? There'd be rioting. This spring Wal-Mart and Home Depot applied to build stores on land THEY owned, and city still told them to fark off.