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(Gadflyer)   Bad: Losing your property in a landmark eminent-domain decision. Worse: Having the corporation sue for "back rent" for the time you spent fighting the seizure in court   (gadflyer.com) divider line 456
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2005-08-18 08:54:21 PM  
Kroncifeld has it right regarding the interest. Every such decision that works its way through the courts leaves the potential losing party in such a position. Happens all the time in money issues in civil cases.

That doesn't change the fact that the decision from SCOTUS is VERY difficult to reconcile.
 
2005-08-18 08:56:14 PM  
Why does Submitter hate America? I thought people are supposted to serve the government and corporations.

Americans will take this like everything else. They'll biatch and moan but not do anything about it. The governments and corporations know this which is why they do what they want with impunity.
 
2005-08-18 08:57:04 PM  
StokeyBob: It seems to me that it has been the people losing out to some sole-less corporation entities.

You can blame corporations if you want... down here its 'land developers' not corporations... I'd say the real criminals are the city council members who vote for these things.

BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS HAVE VOTED FOR THESE LAND SEIZURES. Neither party can claim innocence.
 
2005-08-18 08:57:11 PM  
New London Development Corporation
165 State Street, Suite 313 -- New London, CT 06320
Phone: (860) 447-8011 -- Fax: (860) 447-3833

I just called them and left a message expressing my outrage...in a very civil, non-threatening way, of course. I encourage all of you to do so.

If I wasn't in Washington State, I'd picket the hell out of their office. This is dirt evil at its most vile...cloaked in the rule of law.
 
2005-08-18 08:59:01 PM  
FARK LIBERTARIANZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

/I will pass a constitutional amendment that simultaneously ends eminent domain and legalizes gay marriage
//And I'm smart enough to believe in both those causes
///WITHOUT BEING A LIBERTARIAN!!111
////Me in '08
/////Slashies in '12!
 
2005-08-18 08:59:51 PM  
I'm pretty sure there's a special place in hell for bastards like these. The original SCOTUS ruling had my ire up, but this is just so friggin' evil.

"Ha! Not only do you have to give us your home, but you also owe us $300,000 for having the audacity to fight about it."

Oh. So. Evil.
 
2005-08-18 09:02:08 PM  
SaintCynr: I just called them and left a message expressing my outrage...

Do you honestly think they are the first and only one? Nope.. Its been going on for years.. Kelo just woke up more Americans to the fact that their local governments could do some sleazy things...

Check out this website (pops)...

The Top 10 Eminent Domain Abuse Cases (pops)
 
2005-08-18 09:03:33 PM  
GonzagaRod: //And I'm smart enough to believe in both those causes
///WITHOUT BEING A LIBERTARIAN!!111


Good for you... just don't vote for Republicans or Democrats... Thats all I care about...
 
2005-08-18 09:04:34 PM  
To ALL of the people holding political office in the city of New London: You're a bunch of pricks.

To ALL of the people connected to/working for the New London Development Corporation: You're a bunch of pricks, too.

To ALL of the members of the various courts who sided with this nonsense: Pricks once again.

To ALL of the people in the entire world who believe that the city/development corporation are right in this case: Go fark yourselves. You're wrong, and blatantly immoral.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves. You are destroying the very essence of what it is to be a property-owning resident of the United States. I sincerely hope that you all burn in hell for this. In the meantime, I hope your precious development project goes bust.

Jeezus Freakin' Christmas, New London must be a real shiathole of a city to live in!
 
2005-08-18 09:05:11 PM  
A man with nothing left to lose is a dangerous man...there would be no question what my final solution would be...many dead politicians and developers. They would start turnin up dead in 3...2...1...
 
2005-08-18 09:05:43 PM  
I would do something about it but I dont live there. Let the London town folk do something about it or STFU. If it was my town (Chattanooga), I would at the very least organize a protest.
 
2005-08-18 09:07:14 PM  
Fark Me To Tears: Jeezus Freakin' Christmas, New London must be a real shiathole of a city to live in!

Actually its pretty nice... and with this new plant going in it will have an economic boom...

what sucks is the whole land seizure thing...
 
2005-08-18 09:07:25 PM  
Quoth Seth_J:

>>Do you honestly think they are the first and only one?

No, I have no such illusion. What, are you just gonna give up and do nothing? Don't down me for trying to do something about it, even this first small step.
 
2005-08-18 09:08:45 PM  
this decision was wrong on clear constitutional grounds. Just read the damned thing. If we assume the 'public' took it then a private company cannot charge back rent, because they cannot have possibly owned anything until the case was over.
 
2005-08-18 09:10:07 PM  
bokkasrealm: I would do something about it but I dont live there. Let the London town folk do something about it or STFU. If it was my town (Chattanooga), I would at the very least organize a protest.

See the link I posted above.. This isn't local to New London - its all over the US and has happened MANY times before... this isn't the first by a long shot..

In fact there have been a few cases (recently) in Tennessee from what I remember..
 
2005-08-18 09:10:46 PM  
Who the hell cares whether reps or dems voted for this.. underneath those labels, the people who voted this into law are CRIMINALS, only care about ONE thing and one thing only (money), and are the scum that this country's constitution was drafted to protect against.

I don't give a rat's rear if these guys are left, right, up, down, or in between.. these "men" are dogs, and should have their property ripped out from under them first, before anyone else.

"Land of the free," eh? Not so much anymore..
 
2005-08-18 09:12:48 PM  
SaintCynr: What, are you just gonna give up and do nothing? Don't down me for trying to do something about it, even this first small step.

No way... Right now I'm working on something else... but I'm going to try and get something going here in Florida just to stick it to SCOTUS. My idea? I constitutional referendum that would prevent government from selling land for 10 years after the seziure.. That would stop them - or at least make it more dificult...IMHO
 
2005-08-18 09:13:23 PM  
Um... maybe there's a smarter way to fight this. If they rule that the City owned said property for the last 5 years -- doesn't the City owe the "renters" 5 years of back property taxes? That ought to take a big bite out of their damned "rent".

Maybe that's all they intended to do in the first place with this assinine idea?
 
2005-08-18 09:13:59 PM  
How can this go on like this? What were the justices of the supreme court on when they made this decision? Under this ruling anyone's private property can go for the supposed sake of 'public good'. There must be a way to stop this shiat.

One good thing that came out of this ruling was that it was able to bring right and left together albeit temporarily.
 
2005-08-18 09:14:15 PM  
Anyone up for a revolution?
 
2005-08-18 09:14:33 PM  
So wait... I can't be a democrat and be pro-property rights? Damn what a shame. I guess I better guy buy an SUV.

Its great that you republicans are so against this. You seem to be anyway, the way you keep grabbing at it, trying to own the issue. It seems like a lot of you are more interested in parlaying it into fuel against democrats than actually regaining your rights though. Meanwhile, anybody who honestly cares is swiftly corrected with a list of party affiliations.

fark it, we deserve this.
 
2005-08-18 09:15:44 PM  
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Durrrr seizing private property and giving it to other people is illegul durrr
 
2005-08-18 09:16:56 PM  
azrien: Who the hell cares whether reps or dems voted for this.. underneath those labels, the people who voted this into law are CRIMINALS, only care about ONE thing and one thing only (money), and are the scum that this country's constitution was drafted to protect against.

Buddy... I hate to break this to you but to be a criminal you have to violate the law. There's no more law to break. SCOTUS has 'interpreted' our 'living, breathing, flexible' Constitution enough to make this legal.

That's the really sad part. A strict interpretation of the Constitution (AKA the LAW) would never allow this but since we're convince the framers made it 'adaptible to the times' we end up with this...
 
2005-08-18 09:17:38 PM  
thornhill

But the people who get displaced do not get any of the benefit. If it is worth making a familys life more difficult for your corperation or cities personal benefit...surely it is worth giving them a 1% share in what ever gets built or at least what the property is worth to THEM.
 
2005-08-18 09:17:47 PM  
What kind of a dick head asshole would spend a dime at this dump they are building there? If I were in construction I'd simply refuse to work on the building. I wouldn't apply for a job or work there...

Let this place FAIL miserably. That's the way to make this change, show companies that just because you can petition and STEAL someone's property doesn't mean you should.

There is NO excuse for the way this company is behaving, the people making the decisions and signing the papers should be ASHAMED of themselves and I hope that they all get EXACTLY what is coming to them.
 
2005-08-18 09:18:52 PM  
Seth_J

Well, more power to you then. I know a call isn't much, but it was easy to accomplish while I'm getting dinner ready, so that's what I settled on for today. I'm not done by a long shot.

I'm an accountant...if I can help your efforts in any way, be it doing books for a non-profit, making calls, sending mail, whatever...let me know. Yes, I'm serious. Email in profile.
 
2005-08-18 09:19:41 PM  
maglite: What kind of a dick head asshole would spend a dime at this dump they are building there? If I were in construction I'd simply refuse to work on the building. I wouldn't apply for a job or work there...

You must not have bills.

/besides if Americans refuse to work they'll just ship in Mexicans at 1/4 the cost..
 
2005-08-18 09:20:02 PM  
klisejo - don't use those drum clips, that was one of the mistakes by the armored criminals in that cali bank robbery... stay away from anything that jams
/and an AK would be better than an SKS
 
2005-08-18 09:20:11 PM  
>>holding a fake turkey hanging proudly somewhere

For heaven's sake, how many times does this nonsense have to be debunked? It was a real turkey. Take some aspirin for that fevered imagination. The NY Times issued a correction:

"An article last Sunday about surprises in politics referred incorrectly to the turkey carried by President Bush during his unannounced visit to American troops in Baghdad over Thanksgiving. It was real, not fake."
 
2005-08-18 09:20:56 PM  
Could a collection of private individuals use eminent domain to seize land off the township?

If eminent domain is used in support of 'the public good', then what would happen in the citizens went to court to get land made into a private school/nature park/tourist attraction. It seems to me that if a private citizen's proposal for the land 'outbid' so to speak the public good caused the seizure and then distrubition to an industrial cause then the courts would have to side with the private citizen initiative (theoritically). That or I just crave poetic justice.
 
2005-08-18 09:23:04 PM  
Epsilon
"I know I'm chiming in late on this, but I'm so farking pissed off at this, my head is about to explode. I'm going to get drunk now."


Go back to bed America, your government is in control again. Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed America, here's American Gladiators. Here's 56 channels of it. Watch these pituitary retards bang their farkin skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go America, you are free... to do as we tell you. You are free, to do as we tell you.

/What do atheists scream when they come?
//I was talking about blowjobs and a woman in the audience shouted "You ever tried it?" I said "Yeah. Almost broke my back..."
///Rest in Peace Bill
 
2005-08-18 09:23:06 PM  
Just remember, it was those liberal judges who voted it for it, not the conservatives!

/end flamebait

You mean those big liberal development corporations?



Let's not argue who is liberal and who is conservative. Let's just do something we can all agree on, physically remove the neo-communist SCOTUS Judges that allowed this to happen.

 
2005-08-18 09:23:25 PM  
I'm not condoning firebombing their offices when they are empty.

I'm not.

It would be illegal.

I am condoning doing everything in your power to over turn this ruling in a supreme court reversal, a constitutional amendment or make any attempt to do this in the future political suicide.

This. sucks. ass.
 
2005-08-18 09:23:28 PM  
I hate to be the one to say this. There is still one human right that the Supreme Court can never take away from the people of the United States. That is if the people do not like it, they have the right to do one of two very basic things. 1) Revolt. (though you would be facing a pretty formidable army) 2) Leave. Which, I am happy to say, I have every intention in the world to do. Any New Zealand farkers out there? :)
 
2005-08-18 09:24:00 PM  
Noam Chimpsky: Let's not argue who is liberal and who is conservative. Let's just do something we can all agree on, physically remove the neo-communist SCOTUS Judges that allowed this to happen.

...and replace them with neo-Inquisitionist judges who believe that it's better to let 100 innocent men die than watch one guilty one get away!
 
2005-08-18 09:24:11 PM  
It's not about Republicans or Democrats or the Left or the Right- It's about The People versus The Bourgeoisie, the oppressors, the thieves who wear suits. They steal with words, tricking the police into doing their dirty work by buying our judges and legislators ("campaign contributions").

Everyone within driving distance of this tragedy- Be there on the day of the deadline, and do not allow their homes and lives to be stolen to line the pockets of the already-wealthy!

Just as you would protect your neighbor from a thief you spot,
This is a call to arms!
 
2005-08-18 09:24:21 PM  
SaintCynr: Yes, I'm serious.

Cool! After this tax reform thing goes away I'll start working on it.. but it would be only local to Florida.

The Kelo decision didn't really say that ED abuse was wrong... they left it up to the states to figure that out... Florida already has protections in place but its really not enough since the seizures still go on... Something like I posted above would really help politicians realize how we feel about Kelo.

/saving you're email anyway
 
2005-08-18 09:26:11 PM  
Tenchiro

Ask and you shall recieve...

[image from etoyoc.com too old to be available]
 
2005-08-18 09:27:30 PM  
In the immortal words of Rush Limbaugh:

"Yes, yes, yes, but (sigh) we all lose things."

Bring out the whaaaaambulance. Because property is more important than life.
 
2005-08-18 09:29:37 PM  
Attention Conservatives

GET OFF YOUR CROSSES!

No body likes this. Stop calling up the votes. Just STOP!!!

Thank you for your time.
 
2005-08-18 09:30:29 PM  
Now THERE is a company I would not beat an eye about if some disgruntled ex-employee took matters into his own hands gun-nut style. Every employee of NLDC is a disgrace to America.

I hope the next headline reads: "Decorated soldier returning from extended tour in Iraq forced to give up boyhood home to development of McSnob Mansions".

What a shameful day for every citizen of the USA and the world. This was not supposed to be in the US.

/all I can do is shake my head.
//Rage comes post denial!
 
2005-08-18 09:33:28 PM  
"There's no point in acting all surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display in your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for fifty of your Earth years, so you've had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it's far too late to start making a fuss about it now."

[image from img329.imageshack.us too old to be available]
 
2005-08-18 09:33:34 PM  
so lets say a bunch of farkers get together and decree eminent domain over the white house.
and then turn it into a major attraction like 6 flags, with of course the boring part of the white house tours.
or should we say the sexatorium rooms...

with regular visits from wild bill clinton.
 
2005-08-18 09:35:54 PM  
Did you guys see the Newsnight piece of couple of weeks ago about Miz. Kelo. They asked her whether she would leave on her own or be dragged out? She said she was not going anywhere, so we will probably see a American version of Gaza withdrawal there.

They also asked the new owners (both ladies) of the new expensive condominiums in the area about Miz. Kelo decision, I think they both argeed it was constitutional and people should live with it and to add salt to the wound, they said something along the lines of, how they won't be able to afford the condominium in the area as Kelo and likes of her weren't rich enough for the place. They said all of this in a condescending tone.
 
2005-08-18 09:36:03 PM  
BMW036 - klisejo - don't use those drum clips, that was one of the mistakes by the armored criminals in that cali bank robbery... stay away from anything that jams
/and an AK would be better than an SKS



I agree, aftermarket magazines for the SKS suck. Couple hundred bucks more and you can get an AK that is far more reliable with its detachables, not to mention lighter.
 
2005-08-18 09:36:06 PM  
You know, I never really understood the whole legal proceedings for eminent doamin. Anybody with any legal background care to explain it?

Demon of the Fall: If eminent domain is used in support of 'the public good', then what would happen in the citizens went to court to get land made into a private school/nature park/tourist attraction. It seems to me that if a private citizen's proposal for the land 'outbid' so to speak the public good caused the seizure and then distrubition to an industrial cause then the courts would have to side with the private citizen initiative (theoritically). That or I just crave poetic justice.

If I remember correctly, some hippies tried this in the 60's/70's to make room for their commune. Doesn't take much of an imagination or a law degree to figure out how that went.

Also, when land is appraised for eminent domain cases, would said appraisal be done based on the actual physical cost of the land itself, or could you make a reasonable case based on what the land is worth to the people taking it from you? Like lets say I have a 10 acre piece of land. The straight up value of the land is $10,000, but I know the purchaser wants to put a buisness there. If I was selling it privately, I could make a claim based on a market analysis that the land would actually be worth $100k to the developers and charge them that. Would that work in Eminent Domain cases?
 
2005-08-18 09:39:59 PM  
2005-08-18 09:24:00 PM LocalCynic


Noam Chimpsky: Let's not argue who is liberal and who is conservative. Let's just do something we can all agree on, physically remove the neo-communist SCOTUS Judges that allowed this to happen.

...and replace them with neo-Inquisitionist judges who believe that it's better to let 100 innocent men die than watch one guilty one get away!



You make an impressively hysterical yet unconvincing case for not removing the neo-communist Marxist first plankers from the SCOTUS.

 
2005-08-18 09:40:52 PM  
Corvus


bigpete53
Just remember, it was those liberal judges who voted it for it, not the conservatives!


Well we better stop electing republicans then because according to you they elect LIBERAL judges.

Voted for:
Stevens picked by FORD
Souter picked by GHW BUSH
Kennedy picked by Reagan

3 Out of the 5 justices that made the ruling were picked by REPUBLICAN presidents.


Yeah, but you're forgetting one thing: There's not much of a difference between GOP and Dems anymore, so it doesn't matter.

This country is being run into the ground by neocons and communists. Communism isn't dead...it's having its resurrection right here in Amerika.
 
2005-08-18 09:42:35 PM  
LocalCynic You're a farking tool. Seriously. That is all.
 
2005-08-18 09:43:13 PM  
JerseyTim


Ok, so we all agree that this is the final straw and the revolution starts now. I'll meet you guys in town square in 15 minutes. I'll be the guy with the burning torch.

2005-08-18 06:18:14 PM kronicfeld


JerseyTim: I'll be the guy with the burning torch.

I be the guy with the looting hammer.


I'll be the girl with the pitchfork. Gotta have pitchforks and torches, ya know. ;)

And I too am fed up with the two-party monopoly and the stupid Rep vs. Dem myth.
 
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