APE992 it's pretty hard to have an original idea for a game/movie/song whatever, most of it has already been done. All consoles/pc's are pretty much rehashing old ideas, just modding the storyline or plot a bit. Welcome to the age of rehashing old ideas

Thanks for the pops Kanemano, I posted the wholearticle but no one notices that the price will the same as the XBOX. Talks of high prices were just to make the 299 price seem low.

NathanAllen
You do know a RF Modulator will cost you about $15 right?

Yes, yes I do. I also know that with my 17-year-old TV, I get craptacular picture from the RF hookup, and the composite input greatly improves that (even though my TV only has one composite input).

FoamyIsKing
I agree . I really want to play conkers bad fur day again and emulators refuse to run on my pc.

Maybe you should look into getting an Xbox (if you don't have one) and pick up Conker: Live & Reloaded. It's basically a completely rebuilt copy of BFD, only with super-shiny graphics and an online play mode.

Eric00
Money? Lots and Lots of Money? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Link is what you might call Nintendo's mascot. Until Nintendo goes the way of Sega, they won't license it out. Why? For the same reason that Halo 2, Fable, etc. are only for the Xbox - they're first-party games. People associate Link with Nintendo, and Master Chief is forever tied to the Xbox. Sony had Crash Bandicoot and Spyro, but a) they both sucked, and b) Naughty Dog ported their games to the 'Cube and Xbox.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller

I honestly have the feeling that the PS3 is going to make the XBox 360 look like an absolute piece of obsolete shiat. Not sure why. The impression I'm getting from developers though is the PS3's processing power is just completely insane.

Go back and check out the hype Sony and others pushed on the PS2. Boasts of Toy Story level graphics and all sorts of other bold claims. It was all way, way overstated. Heck, some of the things they claimed the PS2 would do are only just being incorporated into the PS3 now. Because of this, I'm dubious about Sony's claims; I'll believe them when I see them.

BassCadet

None of the xbox360 launch titles look anything less than appalling.

Are you nuts? That's a very solid launch lineup. The Elder Scrolls series is insanely good and Oblivion looks to be the best of the bunch. The Call of Duty games are some of the best WWII shooters out there. XBox finally gets a Final Fantasty game for those into that sort of thing (I'm not). Ghost Recon is flat-out AWESOME and will be a great online experience. A strong sports launch. A Tony Hawk game.

Dude, what the hell do you want?

SuperDuper28

The downside is my video card cost as much as the $400 Xbox

You said it, not me.

Look, screw the expense: the fact is, your average gamer doesn't want to deal with hardware upgrades, driver issues, conflicts, patches, system requirements and all else that comes with high end PC gaming. High end PC gaming has a LOT to offer, but it's just not very user friendly. While I love PC gaming, I understand why it's not for everyone.

Even more important: PCs and consoles are best at totally different types of games. Each do something well that the other doesn't. So again, drop this stupid, childish, fifth grade debate. Engaging in it only makes you look foolish.

When I was a kid we played Mike Tyson's Punchout and we liked it. None of this namby-pamby wireless controller nonsense.

As far as games are concerned, here's how it stacks up to me:

Sony: Stellar 3rd party, average 1st party.
Nintendo: Stellar 1st party, piss-poor 3rd party.
Microsoft: Halo. That's about it.

I'm not so sure about that Bass Cadet ...

Saint's Row is supposed to be Grand Theft Auto on steroids and without all the bugs and lag

n_carrvoigt:

Link is what you might call Nintendo's mascot. Until Nintendo goes the way of Sega, they won't license it out.

I'm predicting Nintendo goes that way in 4-5 years.

Not that it's a bad thing, they make great games. They're fun, charasmatic and most importantly these days: family-friendly. I bought a GameCube just for Metroid Prime and Zelda: Windwaker, kept it longer than I planned to for Mario Golf.

leathermidget [TotalFark]


Console games run smoother and stabler then their PC counterparts.

Yeah, that's an old saw I've heard from console owners for about 15 years. Go tell it to owners of GTA:SA for the XBox and PS2....

That would be me and I've had 1 hang up in the months I've been playing it. From what I hear the only time you have problems if you save after using cheat codes.

>i]"""I'm sorry, but if you have to 'hack' a console to make it >better, your a f'n moron for buying it in the first place. >"Ooh, I'm gonna drop 400 bucks on this thing that sucks ass >and spend all my free time making it good." yeah, thats real >great logic right there. """ [/i]


Not quite. Being an engineer, I rather like mucking around with hardware, hacking the xbox was a blast, and while not altering it's original functionality I no longer have to cart around my collection of games, I can emulate other consoles, and use it as a media center PC. It was very good to begin with IMHO, and the mod unlocked a whole new world once I got bored with it.

Forget the Xbox. I'm saving up for my Phantom!!!

shoegaze99: Are you nuts? That's a very solid launch lineup.

They're almost all sequels. Gaming is going the way of Hollywood because of the costs involved in making games that live up to the hype of these new systems. Everything has to be a safe bet, no more risk taking or creativity.

Surfdaddy: Thanks for the pops Kanemano, I posted the wholearticle but no one notices that the price will the same as the XBOX. Talks of high prices were just to make the 299 price seem low.


Also to make the Xbox people think that they could overcharge for their system, see post above about the $100 20 gig hard drive.

In all seriousness, elling the console this way is going to really, really hurt it. Having the Hard Drive removable is fine, but it HAS TO BE INCLUDED. If it's not included, the programmers can't be sure that the end-user will have a hard drive. And so they won't bother to add features that support it.

The ONLY non-bundled accesory that's ever seen wide acceptance is a memory card. So either the hard drive is going to be undersupported, or essential to gameplay and people going for the $299 option will quickly find they need to make another trip to the store.

MS is either stupid or evil. Discuss.

von_etrigan:
MS is either stupid or evil. Discuss.

Neither. Just too many MBA's and middle-managers involved.

bluenovaman: When I was a kid we played Mike Tyson's Punchout and we liked it. None of this namby-pamby wireless controller nonsense.


Damn it man, We played pitfall

"MS is either stupid or evil. Discuss."

Both for the win.

Gosling: Both for the win.

That would also fit my explanation.

APE992 I thought your arguement was because there was no original ideas, now it seems like we're both on the same side, I'm lost and confused now, as before I was just confused.
/I don't care if it's an original idea or not, as long as it's fun is all I care about

Great Enemy of Mister Hand:

"Nintendo Exclusive Platformers on the GCN:
Mario Sunshine, Wario World."

I think you are mistaken. In fact, I know you are mistaken. Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance. Sorry if that comes off as rude.

kaikara: Actually no the PS3 is going to be a lot more then that. The sony console guy was quoted at a conference saying that is was going to cost quite a bit. The word is it is easily going to be over 400 dollars. If they don't do what Micsrosoft is doing (multiple versions with less features) then everything they have quoted as being in it will push it into that price bracket.

Also the ps3 is not expected to be out until "sometime 2006" - some of the rumors floating is that it will be late 2006 for US and Japan - and early 2007 for UK and Europe. My guess is they are waiting to see what the xbox 360 will do on release to see if they need to get the PS3 out the door quickly.

oh oh 2 HD at once? man i knew i had 2 60" plasmas in my living room for a reason. And yes the PS3 will support HD. They might as well not release it if it doesn't.

They made some estimate of

APE992:

Nice job selecting just platformers. None of those are original ideas. I always have smelled some sort of "conspiracy" if you will in that the Jak series along with the Ratchet and Clank got 3 titles a piece. Now we just need Sly Cooper to have a third title.

BTW, Exclusive title!=original.

WTF?! What's an original platformer? All of those seemed pretty original to me.

Mario Sunshine: Retarded water gun thing
Jak Series: Guns and cars and crazy minigames mixed with platforming
Ratchet Series: Guns and explosions and crazy crap mixed with platforming
Sly Series: Stealth and platforming

What's unoriginal? There isn't a SINGLE original and exclusive game out for XBOX, and Sega couldn't make an innovative game if their profits depended on it (already proven!). It's been what, six years since the DC fell?! Where are the innovative Sega games? The innovative Nintendo games? NOWHERE.

Man, do I ever LOVE hearing all the speculation prior to the release of new consoles. The simple fact of the matter it noone will know what's going to happen before it does happen. Before the PS1 came out everyone was sure that Nintendo would carry the day once again, but did that happen? No.

The question is, why did the PS1 outsell the N64 by such a wide margin? They recognized a gap in the way gaming was being marketed. Gamers grew up and they needed somone to represent that on the more casual (and therefore much more lucrative) console market. Sony did that by pushing the console to an older demographic. They essentially turned the Playstation brand into the 'cool' one to have. And it turns out that the 18-35 demographic has the most money to blow on these kinds of things.

Don't read too deeply into what any of these companies say publicly, it's all trumped up to glamorize the product, because at the end of the day that's what the point for this whole console war is: to make a profit. I see all these fan-boys claiming that the only thing Microsoft wants it your money, well you're damn right that's what they want. What the hell do you think Sony and Nintendo are after? Good vibes sent from all the happy boys and girls around the globe to feed the hungry in Africa?

Nope, they all just want the money to but them that new yacht they've had their eye on.

Do yourselves a favour and give up your brand loyalties, none of the companies really deserve it. If you want the shiniest graphics, then buy a PS3 (But you might want to invest in a high-end PC to stay on the cutting edge), if you want to be connected to a network that is unsurpassed buy a 360 (But make sure you give them money anually so you can actually use it to it's full extent), or if you want to try something new buy the so-called Revolution (Nevermind that we don't even know how we even get to interact with the games just yet).

Just remember one important piece of information: You can't win. There's going to be another round of consoles in about 6 years, so the thousands some of you (myself admittedly included) spent on the current generation and the thousands on the upcoming generation won't count for a single thing.

It's called planned obsolescence, and they do it so that they can make more money from you in the long run. I know they all take a hit on the hardware, but they do it to drive the competitors out of the business. And it's fueled by our hard-earned dollars.

I don't know who's going to 'win' this round of the console wars, and I don't really care. All I care about is getting to play good games.

>I can help you with that. Ask yourself this honestly: "What >is the ultimate goal of this game?". You'll cancel your >account within a day.


I sure wish I could figure that one out, for all practical purposes I've lost two friends to that game. I tried to like it but I came to realize that whole genre of game has me bored stiff.

Sure, I can deal with the fact that some people like games I don't and vice versa but when virtual life in a freakin' game trumps real life and people are too busy with online plans to hang out with their real life friends once in a while on a weekend it's getting a bit ridiculous. The drama involved is unbelievable.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller [TotalFark]

xip_80:
I'll probably get a X-box 360 after the first price drop. By then, maybe I won't be addicted to World of Warcraft anymore. (wishful thinking)

I can help you with that. Ask yourself this honestly: "What is the ultimate goal of this game?". You'll cancel your account within a day.

because having fun isn't a worthy goal?

You're welcome.

to summarize this thread
some like playstation
some like xbox
some like pc's
some like all of the above
some like nothing

Youth_in_Asia: Just remember one important piece of information: You can't win.

*standing applause*

Evil pricks. Was hoping they'd release Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion before this launched.

The incorrect information some of you are spewing out astounds me.
- The wired controller in the Core System is important because Microsoft made a huge deal about how wireless controllers would be standard.
- They also made a big deal out of how the hard drive would also be standard. Now its standard....for the premium version
- The non-standard hard drive is moronic because developers will write software to the lowest common denominator, the core system, leaving many of the interesting things about the Xbox like caching etc. out
- The system uses laptop size hard drives
- Wireless controller battery packs are optional
- Backwards compatibility is possible with the premium system but will be only available for "popular" games from what has been said
- The premium system has composite hookups as well as component

Gosling: As far as games are concerned, here's how it stacks up to me:

Sony: Stellar 3rd party, average 1st party.
Nintendo: Stellar 1st party, piss-poor 3rd party.
Microsoft: Halo. That's about it.

I'd argue that Sony's 1st and 2nd party games are better than Nintendo's. Their characters haven't been around as long though, so they're not as memorable.

Man threads like these really give me a headache. I honestly don't know what I'm gonna do, but I will wait about a year after each comes out before I buy either. Whichever has the most games on it that are interesting, and that I cannot get on my PC, will be getting my money. Until then I have no problem waiting.

APE992: Der Poopflinger:

While it is hard for your mainstream gamer, someone as slightly insane as I am knows better.

Rez
GunValkyrie
Katamari Damacy
Lumines
Meteos
Shenmue
Space Channel 5
Jet Set Radio/Future
Seaman
Crazy Taxi

Not all of those are 100% original, but far more than most titles you will come across.

Niche titles = original?

You can be original without alienating players (most of those games are still good, but you know what I mean).

too bad ps3 will be 460 bucks

Great Enemy of Mister Hand

Sega couldn't make an innovative game if their profits depended on it

You could not POSSIBLY be on more drugs.

And I don't mean that in a good way.

Tell me all about "Teh Apple Tax" again, biznatches!

Schadenfreude much?

James10952001: >The ATI chipset used in the Xbox360 isn't available in PC >cards yet, granted they will be available within a year. >Whatever you read was wrong, or you misinterpreted it.
>

It's really an apples to oranges comparison. A game console has less overhead and each game is tailored to the specific hardware it will be run on. You can usually get a bit better graphics on the very highest end PC you can buy, but remember that a new console is about the same price as a good graphics card for a PC these days, not including the rest of the PC. Which to go with is a personal preference and depends on the games you play but I was always a PC gamer until I got an xbox a few years ago and I've hardly looked back. I just don't have time to tinker with and upgrade my PC constantly, fool around with patches and compatibility issues and I'd rather be lounging on the sofa with a 50" screen than sitting at my desk in the den.

Tinkering with and upgrading your PC is half the fun of PC gaming, and the other half is having better games with much faster and more intuitive controls. Having to play an FPS with a console controller is a chore. And a console is updated what, every 4-5 years? In that time the graphics become much more than subpar. It's painful to play Halo on an Xbox when I could be playing a real FPS.

PC > Xbox > Gamecube > Atari > PS2

snailshell: "Nintendo Exclusive Platformers on the GCN:
Mario Sunshine, Wario World."

I think you are mistaken. In fact, I know you are mistaken. Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance. Sorry if that comes off as rude.

Way to go proving me wrong.

The only thing we do with our current [softmodded] xboxes is network them to our actual computers whose hard drives collectively contain every single episode of the Simpsons, South Park, Family Guys, and a bit of porn too. I can't recall playing a game on the xbox in several months. The new xbox 360 does not interest me :)

Great Enemy of Mister Hand

Guns, explosions and stealth gameplay aren't really innovative. I'm not a nintendo advocate or anything, but it seems like that is their main thing(being innovative). Sadly a lot of people don't really respond to that sort of thing because they want guns, explosions, and stealth gameplay.

Hey.. at what point do you officially get sick of being a capitalist/walmart/Microsoft/Bill Gates hating shill on these forums?

When does it get old, and when you do you realize how obnoxiously glib you sound?

shoegaze99: Sega couldn't make an innovative game if their profits depended on it

You could not POSSIBLY be on more drugs.

And I don't mean that in a good way.

What was Sega's last innovative game?

Don't name any DC games or any DC-ports, and you'll get my drift.

Atvar:

I'm surprised no one's brought up the point that registration is required to view this article.

That's why sites like BugMeNot exist.

"The only thing we do with our current [softmodded] xboxes is network them to our actual computers whose hard drives collectively contain every single episode of the Simpsons, South Park, Family Guys, and a bit of porn too. I can't recall playing a game on the xbox in several months."

WOW, my words exactly!

who cares about the systems, what games are coming out that are hawt? i have an xbox, ps2, and game PC and rarely turn on my xbox or ps2. i guess ill buy madden 06 for xbox and play a bit online, but most of the games are teh suck so far (esp for ps2). i could care less about microsoft or sony, but the xbox games tend to be a bit more feature rich and graphically better (and PC even better usually, GTA:SA is pretty nice in 1600x1200 on a 21" monitor on a PC, although control is much nicer on xbox... goddamn keyboards)

even most pc games are pretty b0ring atm, i <3 BF2 and can play that for 2-3 hours a nite ez. i want my star wars knights of the old republic kinda games, my monkey islands, etc. enuff of the same ol sth...

snailshell:
Guns, explosions and stealth gameplay aren't really innovative. I'm not a nintendo advocate or anything, but it seems like that is their main thing(being innovative). Sadly a lot of people don't really respond to that sort of thing because they want guns, explosions, and stealth gameplay.

Have you played any of those games? Don't poo-poo guns, any game can have guns, but few can do guns well or in a new and interesting style.

Ant:

"I'll be getting the Xbox 360 with a HD. The thought of an Xbox without a HD is just silly."

One minor correction for an error I keep seeing.

Xbox360 is both "HD" and "HDD" capable.

HD being High Definition and HDD being Hard Disk Drive.

Ok...lets see..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameCube#Software_library

They arent all platformers..but most of them are.
Furthermore, I think all of the aforementioned PS2 games were made by third party developers. And they all look and play the same..innovation....blah

Forget about these new-fangled systems...

Here's The System You Really Want!



It has 40 games built in!
You can use all of your old-school controllers!
It's cheaper than one game for these new systems!
Best of all, it can be hacked to play all your old cartridges!

1970's & 80's Represent!

agonyscene:
I honestly don't know what I'm gonna do, but I will wait about a year after each comes out before I buy either.

Save your money, spend it on booze and hookers.

Paedophile_Deluxe: Tinkering with and upgrading your PC is half the fun of PC gaming,

It's also not for everybody. Especially Parents who don't want to drop $300-400 a year on upgrades because little Johnny kept throwing tantrums over it.