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(Yahoo)   One in 25 men may unknowingly be raising another man's child, according to this report from the Department of Things Made up to Get in the Media   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 240
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2005-08-10 08:06:38 PM  
Looks like all those childless couples were three steps ahead of everyone.

+10 Bonus if you're a guy in a childless marriage, knocked up some chick, and another schmuck is raising the kid.
 
2005-08-10 08:12:24 PM  
This is unlikely.....why? It's old news, actually.
 
2005-08-10 08:17:48 PM  
Newsflash: people screw around.
Newsflash: this is not newsworthy.
 
2005-08-10 08:18:32 PM  
"The risk of genetic cuckholdry is not merely hypothetical. Estimates from modern populations based on blood and DNA-fingerprinting studies conducted over the past thirty years estimate the rates to be between 9 and 13 percent. This means that roughly one in ten people was sired by a man who was not his mother's regular partner at the time." -- David Buss, professor of psychology at UT Austin
 
2005-08-10 08:20:59 PM  
I'd like to thank Submitter for raising my kids.
 
2005-08-10 08:21:49 PM  
Actually, submitter that's a real probability, spread out over the entire population mind you. It's likely much less for your typical middle-income family.
 
2005-08-10 08:22:01 PM  
Rillion: The risk of genetic cuckholdry is not merely hypothetical

It also happens in seahorses and birds.

You fark the bad boy with the best genes and have the nice guy you married raise it.
 
2005-08-10 08:23:53 PM  
Yep. Any species that has monogamy is going to have fooling around on the side as well.
 
2005-08-10 08:24:06 PM  
I hope to someday to have a son that someone else raises, because for Pete's sake, raising a son would really cut into my indiscriminate porking schedule.
 
2005-08-10 08:26:32 PM  
Please cue the Interracial "OWNED" pic.
 
2005-08-10 08:27:40 PM  
I hope to someday to have a son that someone else raises

Donate sperm.
 
2005-08-10 08:28:01 PM  
Hah!

This is no surprise whatsoever.

It was clear from day one for me. The little critter was the absolute spitting image. I would have been worried over who the mother was if I hadn't seen my daughter pop right out of her.

Paternity tests should be mandatory.
 
2005-08-10 08:29:05 PM  


Maury, I'm 158% sure that ain't my baby. Look at dem eyes, those ain't my eyes.
 
2005-08-10 08:30:28 PM  
Just a thought... but has anyone here been making love to someone you would *most definitely* not marry.. but felt at that crucial moment how you'd love to give her the 'gift of life'.


I've had that and it scares the hell out of me. Are we genetically programmed to want to knock up chicks we like regardless of whether we can or with to support them in the future?
 
2005-08-10 08:31:36 PM  
 
2005-08-10 08:34:21 PM  
Are we genetically programmed to want to knock up chicks we like regardless of whether we can or with to support them in the future?

Short answer? Yep. Although chicks are also genetically programmed to get knocked up by guys who can and will support us in the future. Of course, life doesn't always work out that way....sometimes we marry guys who can and will support us, and then sleep with sexier guys who won't support us but will happily "donate" their good genes.
 
2005-08-10 08:36:10 PM  
Go CSI, get a DNA test, you fathers out there, no sense not knowing.
 
2005-08-10 08:36:11 PM  
lindseyp: but felt at that crucial moment how you'd love to give her the 'gift of life'.

Sometimes they'll want to remove the condom. My girl I'm seeing now refers to this as "total cortical shutdown" where her ovaries take over.

I'm convinced it's something hormonal that tries to override your self control and get you to procreate.
 
2005-08-10 08:38:43 PM  
That's when you give her the "gift of life" right in her eye.
 
2005-08-10 08:40:26 PM  
So when does school start up again?
 
2005-08-10 08:40:35 PM  
There is such a phenoenon in the animal world, which Johm Maynard Smith called "sneaky farkers". A nice example comes from deer: while heavily antlered stags exhaust themselves by rutting, some females slope off to have sex with less rumbustious males - a strategy the late, great evolutionist John Maynard Smith memorably called "sneaky farkers".

The anlered deer are the alpha males. They are encumbered by ridiculously large antlers, and my the need to constantly use them against competitors. Thus, while they are using up energy growing antlers and showing their stuff, Mrs. deer goes to the non-antlered male next door to enrich the gene pool. Can't have all the kids looking like that guy tunning the herd.
 
2005-08-10 08:41:55 PM  
And I am too excited about my Boobies as a TFer to spell worth a damn. A thousand apologies.
 
2005-08-10 08:43:35 PM  
Rillion

Short answer? Yep. Although chicks are also genetically programmed to get knocked up by guys who can and will support us in the future. Of course, life doesn't always work out that way....sometimes we marry guys who can and will support us, and then sleep with sexier guys who won't support us but will happily "donate" their good genes.


Dear lord. I don't know whether to cry myself to sleep tonight or to make a vow to never let myself be emotionally attached to a woman.
 
2005-08-10 08:48:52 PM  
God-is-a-Taco-- Well, at least we don't have an ingrained tendency to kill our mates upon finding that they've cheated on us. Or left us. Or aren't in fact virgins. Shall women vow to never let themselves be emotionally attached to men?

Humanity would be a lot better off it didn't take monogamy so seriously. That's a huge understatement.
 
2005-08-10 08:57:15 PM  
Thanks, snackwagon!
 
2005-08-10 08:58:55 PM  
Rillion:

Well, at least we don't have an ingrained tendency to kill our mates upon finding that they've cheated on us. Or left us. Or aren't in fact virgins

Only violent savages react like this.

Those reasons are only triggers because society makes them so, not because men have an ingrained trait to kill women.

However if there is a study or research backing this claim up, I'd be interested in seeing it.



Humanity would be a lot better off it didn't take monogamy so seriously.

Afarkingmen
 
2005-08-10 08:59:38 PM  
The marriage is often just a way of hiding homosexuality anyway, so it's all good.
 
2005-08-10 09:03:37 PM  
However if there is a study or research backing this claim up, I'd be interested in seeing it.

Deveyn, I have a book suggestion for you: The Murderer Next Door: Why the Mind is Designed to Kill, by David Buss. He has done the biggest study of human mating desires among 10,047 people in 37 cultures, as well as the largest ever study of people's homocidal fantasies. I don't expect you to believe it just because he (or certainly I) say it, but everything is referenced and peer reviewed so it's not something to scoff at.
 
2005-08-10 09:06:05 PM  
Rillion [TotalFark]

God-is-a-Taco-- Well, at least we don't have an ingrained tendency to kill our mates upon finding that they've cheated on us. Or left us. Or aren't in fact virgins. Shall women vow to never let themselves be emotionally attached to men?

Humanity would be a lot better off it didn't take monogamy so seriously. That's a huge understatement.


Oh come on. I've only killed and eaten 10, maybe 12 of my mates at the most. It's all about self control.

I would like to hear this research on the male primate's instinct to destroy mating partners, though. Sofar I don't think the "Well guys do THIS" defense is working for you. Monogamy and polygamy are for different people, personally I find myself to be more of the forlorn romantic monogamistian.
 
2005-08-10 09:07:13 PM  
Oh, and I didn't say men have an ingrained trait to kill women. They do have an ingrained tendency to do so under certain circumstances, however...meaning that killing women in such situations has worked in their evolutionary advantage and therefore continues to happen today because the murderers' genes get passed on. Of course nowadays in civilized cultures they're a lot more likely to get caught and punished for it.
 
2005-08-10 09:11:48 PM  
God-is-a-Taco, you suggested that evidence that women cheat on men to conceive the babies of other men was enough to make you swear off becoming emotionally attached to women. I just needed to point out that the risks women take by becoming emotionally attached to men are so much greater in terms of physical endangerment in order to put things in some perspective.
 
2005-08-10 09:13:11 PM  
Rillion: something to scoff at.


I wasn't scoffing, just hadn't heard that in any of my psych or sociology, or even psychobiology courses so I was interested in reading about it.

I still doubt that virginity or lack thereof is an ingrained trigger. The first two I can understand because it's a trigger for a man to fight for possession of a woman and in the same action kill her as a crime of passion.

I always thought the virginity thing was more cultural (with religious roots) than anything else and maybe tapped into the same violent reactions that you'd see with cheating or leaving.
 
2005-08-10 09:13:19 PM  
True enough. Although I still find it hard to view it as much of an advantage. I guess the evil barbaric genes get passed on, whether voluntary on the woman's part or not.

I wonder what our society would be like if women's ovulation was controlled by the presence of offpsring, like with lionesses.
 
2005-08-10 09:16:30 PM  
God-is-a-Taco:

I wonder what our society would be like if women's ovulation was controlled by the presence of offpsring, like with lionesses.


I'd rather know when it was happening. Kind of like some primates where the ass swells up and gets all red and shiny.

Rillion:

the risks women take by becoming emotionally attached to men are so much greater in terms of physical endangerment

Anecdotal: I've been woken up before with a crazy redhead holding an ice pick to my throat because she thought I was saying someone else's name in my sleep.
 
2005-08-10 09:30:21 PM  
Rase your hand if your gf/wife hasn't ever cheated on you.
Now take another look at your kids.

/Jaded guy
 
2005-08-10 09:47:02 PM  
And in other news, 1 in 5 kids aren't being raised by any father figure at all.

/bitter single mom
 
2005-08-10 10:44:37 PM  
My family is white. My sister was born jaundiced. She was the color the offspring of a black man and a white woman might be. But she grew up to be pale.
 
2005-08-10 10:45:36 PM  
If scientists come up with something like a $5 over-the-counter paternity test, you'll see the biggest social restructuring since marriage became popular.
 
2005-08-10 10:52:33 PM  

"I was born a poor black child. "


 
2005-08-10 10:54:29 PM  
the mailman is unavailable for comment.

/not the mailman
//no bastard children for me
///no non bastard children either
////shashy bastard!
 
2005-08-10 10:56:00 PM  
Lol, it's a lot worse than that. Aprox 1 in 10 people do not know who their actual father is. This has been borne out through multiple independant studies in different countries. Women are wired to have a provider and a lover.
 
2005-08-10 10:56:08 PM  
The actual odds are more like 1 in 3......
 
2005-08-10 10:57:06 PM  
I thought it was strange that my baby mama named our kid "Some Ting Wong."

//I so solly.
///Two, please.
 
2005-08-10 10:58:09 PM  
Another fark relationships thread. Another 100 anecdotes of reasons relationships are just a terrible idea for all involved.
 
2005-08-10 10:58:57 PM  
For some more reference, check out Red Queen and Sperm Wars (particularly sperm wars).

~95% of your sperm are made to FIGHT OTHER SPERM, not to inseminate a woman. In other words, the womb is a battle ground for multiple male lovers, and we've all evolved to deal with it. *splash* reality is great eh? A biatchilly though.
 
2005-08-10 11:01:28 PM  
Gee, I wonder if the submitter is a raging feminist.

"Heavens, no! Any study that suggests women are capable of infidelity must be unscientific horsecrap! After all, girls a sugar and spice and all things nice."
 
2005-08-10 11:04:03 PM  
Deveyen:

Can you give me that redhead's number? Thanks bunches!


/icepicks are hot
 
2005-08-10 11:04:06 PM  
Well, it looks like God-is-a-Taco and snackwagon took care of my planned contributions to this thread.
 
2005-08-10 11:08:56 PM  
A gentle reminder to Submitter that denial is not just a river in Egypt.
 
2005-08-10 11:09:53 PM  
 
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