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(Drudge)   Having solved all other social dilemmas, Dallas cracks down on feeding homeless   (chron.com) divider line 141
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2005-08-08 04:12:15 PM  
"But to have people believe they are above the law because they are doing God's work is troublesome," she said.

Without realizing it, in one sentence she basically summed up the "keep 'em separate" side of the Separation of Church and State debate.
 
2005-08-08 04:38:59 PM  
Anyone that has ever fed a stray cat will probably understand why Dallas is doing this. Once they learn where the food is at, you'll never get rid of them.
 
2005-08-08 04:57:59 PM  
Ah, good 'ole NIMBY...
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-08-08 06:47:06 PM  
Once they learn where the food is at, you'll never get rid of them.

Works like that with bears too, but when bears learn where to get food from humans the authorities shoot them.
 
2005-08-08 07:10:57 PM  
So we feed the cats to the homeless, then feed the homeless to the bears, then shoot the bears?

Why don't we hire these two guys as consultents?

[image from rutgerhauer.org too old to be available]
 
2005-08-08 08:21:18 PM  
And the bleeding hearts will explode.
 
2005-08-08 08:24:47 PM  
Welcome to social services a la "Faith Based Initiatives"

Public services are now only for the "saved".....economically/financially saved that is...

/Imagine, following Jesus' directive to feed the hungry and clothe the naked as being "above the law"....
 
2005-08-08 08:26:32 PM  
Wait wait wait, I don't really give a shiat about government biatching in some random city I've never been to involving people I'll never meet.

But

but when bears learn where to get food from humans the authorities shoot them.

Even the conservative half of my brain just raised its brow. Are you trying to say homeless people aren't even human?
 
2005-08-08 08:27:48 PM  
The homeless should be rounded up and put into labor camps where they're taught a marketable skill and paid minimum wage to do so. They can be released when they've earned enough to put a roof over their heads. And before you go roasting me for my "lack of compassion," yes, the mentally deranged and/or drug dependent among them should be sent to the appropriate facilities, and once they've gotten off crack and/or regained their mental faculties, off to the work camp for them, too. I was told by a social worker that it is illegal in Japan to be homeless. Apparently, they are much wiser on the issue.
 
2005-08-08 08:29:15 PM  
If they use these effectively, they could release them back in San Francisco, their natural habitat.

[image from livetrap.com too old to be available]
 
2005-08-08 08:29:28 PM  
Insomnambulant

It may be illegal, doesn't mean it doesn't happen or that they don't have a bunch of issues to deal with. Making someone's economic status a crime doesn't fix anything, just punishes people instead of helping them.
 
2005-08-08 08:30:46 PM  
Sounds like a good plan to me. If folks want to feed the homeless, that's fantastic, and more power to them. But wanting to do it regardless of consequences for the folks that work and live in the neighbourhoods that they're feeding them at - bleh.

If there weren't enough shelters to handle the people that needed to be fed, *then* I can see the problem in restricting it. But "this guy doesn't want to go to the shelter" isn't, imo, a valid reason to disagree with the idea.
 
2005-08-08 08:31:11 PM  
Dallas, TX: How not to run a major city government.
 
2005-08-08 08:32:24 PM  
JoePublic, I always considered Texas a more impoverished state...maybe it's just me...
 
2005-08-08 08:34:41 PM  
Downtown Dallas is experiencing a renaissance at the moment. Hopefully it will include the building of a new homeless shelter downtown.


Currently the homeless are relieving themselves on the streets and are a major cause of crime in the city. It's hard to sell a city when people are sleeping, peeing,drinking, using hard drugs and farking out in public....plus they're not all that attractive. ;)


Something has to be done to encourage these people to seek help. One way to do it is to stop the free handouts and only provide food to those who wish to better themselves and get off the street.


Since we got Chief Kunkle, the police have been more responsive and public friendly. I applaud their new direction.
 
2005-08-08 08:34:51 PM  
If the shelters in Dallas are anything like the Eugene Mission in my area, I can understand why some people opt not to go the the shelters. If you're a married couple, you're separated as they aren't any sleeping areas for married couples, if you are a single parent and you have a son over the age of 10, he has to sleep in a dorm full of strange men. You are also required to attend chapel daily irregardless of your religious beliefs or the lack thereof. Yes, our local shelter feeds and shelters people, but it is not very family friendly at a time in a person's life when family can be one of the most important things to keep a person going.
 
2005-08-08 08:35:41 PM  
many places have learned that you give the homeless a non-cashable bush pass to some other state.

cause being homeless is a crime......besides it really gives the tourists a major downer..
 
2005-08-08 08:36:21 PM  
SacriliciousBeerSwiller

Are you kidding? I didn't know what a homeless problem was until I visited San Francisco. The homeless situation there was one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen.
 
2005-08-08 08:37:26 PM  
This is a really good idea, the homeless problem until recently was as bad as San Francisco's.
 
2005-08-08 08:38:31 PM  
I've known people involved in social work and they've attempted to help the homeless in my town. However, these people wind up back on the streets. It's like they don't really want help. Granted, many are probably mentally ill, but what can you do for people who don't want to help themselves?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-08-08 08:40:26 PM  
Are you trying to say homeless people aren't even human?

If not fully human they are at least a subspecies of human, homo sapiens squalidus, which is why instead of shooting them like bears I advocate a live trap and release program.
 
2005-08-08 08:40:38 PM  
SacriliciousBeerSwiller, I'm sure it is not just you. There are many impoverished in TX, but they all still have internet access.
 
2005-08-08 08:41:56 PM  
find the fish
encourage these people to seek help

Force these people to seek help would be far more effective. Teach them a skill while they contribute to society, pay them for their labor, and release them into low-rent housing. If they fark it up again, they can repeat the cycle. If they just can't stomach the arrangement, incarceration is an option.
 
2005-08-08 08:45:27 PM  
Dallas law cracks down on feeding the homeless

To whom?
 
2005-08-08 08:46:26 PM  
As far as the ones who are not mentally ill go, fark'em.

However, I think it's really shiatty that we as a society put the burden of "personal responsibility" on someone who is bat-shiat insane. It makes no friggin' sense to expect them to ever take care of themselves. I hate taxes, I want them reduced, but here's one issue where I'd pay some extra. We need to get past keeping retarded cousin Earl in the basement where we throw him dinner scraps, if you know what I'm saying.
 
2005-08-08 08:50:53 PM  
[image from ter.nl too old to be available]
 
2005-08-08 08:53:16 PM  
Everyone all comfortable in their chairs, sitting at their computers? Ready to talk about homelessness with authority?
 
2005-08-08 08:53:28 PM  
We need to get past keeping retarded cousin Earl in the basement where we throw him dinner scraps, if you know what I'm saying.

So...

I'm in my basement. Parents upstairs. Sent down a plate an hour ago.

Retarded "Cousin Earl"? Or possibly "Typical Farker"?

/Not really Cousin Earl.
//Hopefully not typical farker.
 
2005-08-08 08:53:52 PM  
Societies of old, just offed the members who were no longer able to contribute to the health or welfare of the community either because of infirmity, birth defect or other disability.
Volcanoes, cliffs, inclement weather, starvation all were tools for their actions. This ensured the survival of the people as a whole...........hmmmm
 
2005-08-08 08:54:52 PM  

"But to have people believe they are above the law because they are doing God's work is troublesome," she said.


God's work? Excuse me, last I heard, monotheism didn't exactly have a corner on the "compassion" business. Charity comes in all shapes and size.

/atheist
//a charitable atheist
 
2005-08-08 08:58:08 PM  
Of course in medicine in the US we use a triage model that discriminates against the old and young and those that need a larger helping than others. Even saw it on "Deep Impact" the movie, where folks over 50 were sol.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-08-08 08:59:30 PM  
Everyone all comfortable in their chairs, sitting at their computers? Ready to talk about homelessness with authority?

No, I feel more like laughing about the topic tonight. On second thought, I have a serious comment but on too little sleep last night I feel even more like going to bed than posting it.
 
2005-08-08 08:59:44 PM  
In the 1930s most of the bigger charities, including churches, abdicated their responsibility of taking care of the poor to the federal government. Before then each individual had the choice of giving or not giving. Now the federal government forces workers to support non-workers through various taxes. It is the government's plan and they can order how and if the poor are to be fed. It's all on their terms so there is no use in complaining. Cities conform to the orders.
 
2005-08-08 08:59:49 PM  
Didn't RTFA. Don't plan to. Don't care who is doing it as long as it's getting done.

/Proud of his hometown.
 
2005-08-08 09:01:08 PM  
This figures...Dallas is the buckle of the Bible Belt. Fundies...so far from Christ's real message.
 
2005-08-08 09:03:28 PM  
Catch and release... to ZAZ' neighborhood?
 
2005-08-08 09:03:49 PM  
i believe that dallas is adopting the same program that my city did.

we have "sprinklers" on all light posts, eaves, and overhangs that deliver massive doses of carbonic acid at random times. if you did not have a home, you were a puddle of goo before dawn. for some reason unknown to us "homies" only bums melted. and so did the jehovah's witnesses, go figure.

blah!
 
2005-08-08 09:05:03 PM  
This headline is misleading...

In dallas, these panhandlers disrupt traffic and can cause accidents or become accidents by hanging out at traffic intersections.
 
2005-08-08 09:07:40 PM  
2005-08-08 08:54:52 PM EatYourHeartOut

God's work? Excuse me, last I heard, monotheism didn't exactly have a corner on the "compassion" business. Charity comes in all shapes and size.

/atheist
//a charitable atheist


I'm surprised you don't see monotheism as an ally to charity. Even if you don't believe in it, you must admit that it is good to have other believe in it. I mean, I can't stop someone from stealing, but God sure the heck can, so, um. . . God said don't steal!
 
2005-08-08 09:13:03 PM  
I used to wait tables and bartend, so I always tip. Occasionally there's a big thread about this, and some people give all these moral justifications why they don't tip based on what they believe are the facts of the matter.

I used to be homeless, so I always give money and food to the homeless. Occasionally there's a big thread about this, and some people give all these moral justifications why they don't tip based on what they believe are the facts of the matter.

It doesn't really matter to me what other people think, and I don't care of they buy booze with the money. When I was homeless, I was damn glad to get the milk of human kindness. The Bible directs us to help the poor--not to enumerate their shorcomings. This latter element is something that came into vogue during the Reagan years, when they needed a rationale to ignore the least among us that would sit well with evangelicals. Yeah, they're morally deficient, so we don't have to be charitable towards them.

Now everybody lives in the suburbs. If you live in an old-fashioned city like New York, you see the suffering of your fellow man every day. This is actually closer to the historical human condition. Humans have spent more years being born and dying right at home, mingling with the sick and the poor, nay, being the sick and the poor, than they have spent living in the sanitized world of the suburbs.

People complain about smells and homeless people relieving themselves and being bothered by panhandlers, but the real discomfort is internal and spiritual. You either have to get comfortable with a world and a system that contains human suffering, or you have to insulate yourself from it and become convinced it doesn't exist.


.
 
2005-08-08 09:13:41 PM  
Damn homeless Americans. Cluttering up the Big D and showing how the Ownership Society says "Fu<k you Jack, I've got mine" while complaining about the greens fees.
 
2005-08-08 09:16:41 PM  
2005-08-08 08:27:48 PM Insomnambulant

"The homeless should be rounded up and put into labor camps where they're taught a marketable skill and paid minimum wage to do so. They can be released when they've earned enough to put a roof over their heads." At minimum wage that'll take oh, say....never. Also - who is going to pay for these "labor camps"? Not with my tax dollars - we spend enough on welfare as is. "...the mentally deranged and/or drug dependent among them should be sent to the appropriate facilities," Who's going to pay for these? Not with my Tax money they arent' "...and once they've gotten off crack and/or regained their mental faculties, off to the work camp for them, too. I was told by a social worker that it is illegal in Japan to be homeless. Apparently, they are much wiser on the issue."

It a shame we can't make it illegal to be stupid. But then where would we put 51% of our citizens?
 
2005-08-08 09:19:21 PM  
Where's all the Christian fundies who show up at the drop of a hat on any thread having to do with evolution?

I am glad the rest of you are, for the most part, completely happy and complacent with this, and I wish you everything you deserve.

/must control...sarcasm of death...
 
2005-08-08 09:21:14 PM  
As someone who lives in Dallas, I agree there is a problem. But making laws to herd them here or there isn't going to solve the problem. If private citizens are being charitable, WTF is the problem with that?

Oh right, Dallas city council doesn't like being confronted with the serious homelessness problem the city is facing. Because if you ignore it, it doesn't exist!

And before you mention the new homeless shelter, they've been talking about this for at least a year now. Yes, it's a good idea, but it's time they got busy making it a reality.
 
2005-08-08 09:21:31 PM  
untrustworthy:

Anyone that has ever fed a stray cat will probably understand why Dallas is doing this. Once they learn where the food is at, you'll never get rid of them.

Yet, unlike cats, the homeless are human beings.

/out of sight, out of mind?
 
2005-08-08 09:21:37 PM  
Thank you, Bush administration. Wow.
 
2005-08-08 09:22:29 PM  
/sarcastic troll
//can hear the furious rage of clacking keyboards now
 
2005-08-08 09:24:49 PM  
Jesus Surrenders.
 
2005-08-08 09:27:29 PM  
floor9

You should read up on the history of deinstitutionalization. This was started in the sixties, and the Carter administration changed it somehow so that families could absorb their helpless people at a reasonable rate.

During the "Rich are Rich because they're Morally Superior" Reagan years, they reversed these rules, and deranged people by the thousands appeared on the streets of Manhattan. Most of them didn't last long, raped, killed, froze to death, thrown in the East River, taken into bondage by various entities like whorehouses and illegal sweatshops. You'd see them out there, day after day, their belongings arranged about them on the sidewalk (fewer belongings each day), mumbling to themselves, sicker, more addled--then one day they'd be gone, God knows where.

Meanwhile the junk bond arbitrageurs and the savings and loan cowboys were making off with all the money, money that you and I are still repaying through our taxes.

This was the Reagan eighties for me.

And the 'homeless problem' has persisted since then.



.
 
2005-08-08 09:29:55 PM  
whorehopper: Jesus Surrenders.

I wish I believed, if only to see these hypocritical farks have the flesh torn from their balls for all eternity.

/that was the perfect response, thanks
 
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