Tatsuma
You're doing a very nice job convincing me that you have absolutly no idea what you are talking about. I'm done talking with you. If you want to know more, go read this and that:

So concrete is not made with cattle byproducts? and rubber? What about rubber?

your ass can feasibly get around town without a car, you know. that's why god gave you feet.

You can, you just don't want to. And that's why, if you call yourself a vegan, you're a hypocrite.

Meh, I used to be a vegetarian. Once you get used to it, it's not so bad; you just have to eat a lot more to make up for the caloric loss.

And also, those girls aren't nasty. In fact, Dawnielle looks quite tasty. Hmmm, I wonder if she'd date a cannibal? Wait, disregard that...

Tatsuma: When you get to Montreal, check out Aux Vivre - 4631 St Laurent. Great food including the best vegan desserts I've ever had.

extreme skin discoloration.

damn.
teh funny.

Tatsuma
I already answered that. I don't have a car, I don't have a bike. And I don't want to have them either.

Oh your link does nothing but prove me right. Maybe you should read your own links.

From your link:
"A vegan is a person who avoids the ingestion or use of animal products. An animal product in this context refers to the body parts of an animal or any substance derived from an animal."

Unless you live in a tent in the park and walk everywhere (all the time), you're a hypocrite.

That is, unless the line between vegetarian and vegan is arbitrary, in which case, your cognitive dissonance makes complete sense.

I like you tatsuma, youve got a good head.
/somewhere
//I'm not assuming its on your shoulders
///not sure why i thought this was funny
////not high

"concerns about obesity and "mad cow" disease may cause a change in dietary habits." ------ LOL, that's satire right?

If men do not give up their burgers, she says, she'll "give them a good spanking".

If you don't give me that f'in burger we'll see who gets the spanking.

Not hot enough to convert me!

I've got a New Age girl (tell us what she's like)
Environmentalist girl (does she ride a bike)
She has a crystal necklace (does she spend a lot of cash)
Though her vibes are rather reckless (she's heading for a crash)

Oh her flowing skirt is blowing in a transcendental wind
And she wonders without knowing where did we begin

Mary Moon, she's a vegetarian
(Mary Moon, Mary Moon, Mary Moon)
Mary Moon will outlive all the septaugenarians
(Mary Moon, Mary Moon, Mary Moon)
Oh she loves me so, she hates to be alone
She don't eat meat but she sure like the bone

You know, she drives wind car (how does she like it)
It doesn't get her far (why she doesn't bike it)
But it gets her to where she's going
I don't know, I don't know where that is
I wish I knew
I don't know where she's going and I don't know where she's been
All I know that lovin' her has got to be a sin

Mary Moon, she's a vegetarian
(Mary Moon, Mary Moon, Mary Moon)
Mary Moon will outlive all the septaugenarians
(Mary Moon, Mary Moon, Mary Moon)
Oh she loves me so, she hates to be alone
She don't eat meat but she sure like the bone

Mary Moon, will you hesitate
Don't segregate your thoughts from your emotions
(Mary Moon)
I know devotion isn't way up high

Mary Moon, she's a vegetarian
(Mary Moon, Mary Moon, Mary Moon)
Mary Moon will outlive all the septaugenarians
(Mary Moon, Mary Moon, Mary Moon)
Mary Moon, she's an intellectual
(Mary Moon, Mary Moon, Mary Moon)
Mary Moon despite that fact remains quite sexual
(Mary Moon, Mary Moon, Mary Moon)

Mary Moon (Mary Moon, Mary Moon, Mary Moon)
Oh, Mary Moon (Mary Moon, Mary Moon, Mary Moon)
Mary Moon (Mary Moon, Mary Moon, Mary Moon)

She's the one for me, me oh (Mary Moon, Mary Moon)

Do vegans eat machine-harvested crops?

Tatsuma: your login = +/- = the band? They are awesome...

No.. but I do make music... bastard stole my pseudonym! ;)
Though actually +/- is ok.

Don't let the haters getcha down :)

(moving to MTL in 3 weeks! rawk!)

user956

Your house doesn't contain any concrete?

Amazing.

(concrete is made using cattle byproducts-- check the list)


Well I, for one, am most surprised to see cement on that list. I work in a cement laboratory, and as far as I'm aware the ingredients of cement are all inorganic.

Concrete is PEOPLE!!!

/mafia

Quadriplegic
Do vegans eat machine-harvested crops?

apparently not. Apparently, vegans like our friend Tatsuma, grow everything they consume in their own garden, using fertilizer (not from cattle), and subsisting on rainwater.

Anything less would be hypocritical.

Tatuma:
No, I'm a vegan. I browsed your complete list, and there's none of these things in my appartment. I don't take any of these things either.

By the way, you use the term vegan, but I don't think it means what you think it means

Veganism is defined by the British Vegan Society as:

[A] philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude as far as is possible and practical all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, including humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals. [1]



Also, a question: If a christian doesn't obey to ALL and EVERY SINGLE passage of the bible, 24/7, is he still a christian?


Um, you don't know what a christian is.
->A religious person who believes Jesus is the Christ and who is a member of a Christian denomination
The bible has nothing to do with being a christian. Get your shiat straight.

They're saving the cows but killing the kittens!

Dammnit! Let the Rabbits wear glasses!

Vegans should each seal themselves permanently inside little glass bubbles with some dirt and some plants and some water, in the sunlight. You know, like those little ecosystem baubles you can buy at lame stores I never go into. Anyway, the vegans can grow their own plants for oxygen and food by using their own shait for fertilizer, and hopefully filter their piss enough to be drinkable through the grass and dirt. So they'll have zero impact on the environment except the use of space and sunlight. But you could fit a lot of Vegans in a small land area if each one is in a 10-foot bubble.

binnster
Well I, for one, am most surprised to see cement on that list. I work in a cement laboratory, and as far as I'm aware the ingredients of cement are all inorganic.

Time to read up on the history of concrete!

Concrete is absolutely not vegan.

I can't belive these girls drive cars like this, and want to make me think they are sexy:

user956:

Anything less would be hypocritical.

Now, now. No need to jump down the poor man/woman/things throat. Tatsuma would likely have agreed that it's currently impossible to live without causing some harm to animals, but the point is that he/she/it is trying to live while harming as few as possible. There are plenty of dumb vegans and vegetarians that deserve education, and there are plenty that already know the facts.

Trying to educate people with vitriol rarely (if ever) works, though. If you want to convince somebody of argument, you have to discuss the relevant ideas, not just yell at each other. (Self-conscious note: this advice is coming from somebody who regularly trolls Fark's Christian population, though it remains true.)

I, for one, welcome our emaciated, lycra-clad non meat eating overlords.

or maybe this link is better? (animal fat as it relates to the production of concrete)

/apparently our ignorant friend Tatsuma needs to do a little reading

"Concrete is absolutely not vegan."

Well, I could never go vegan because I can't give up concrete. It's like a heartier oatmeal.

"No need to jump down the poor man/woman/things throat"

Now that's comedy!

bravo bravo I was wondering how long it would take for people to make clam and meat jokes. I mean how many times can people say basically the same joke over and over again?

user956 - are you really that dense or are you just trolling?

Because I get the feeling, you really are that dense. The term "hypocrite" is so overused. Everyone is a hypocrite on most issues, get the fark over it.

Or don't, I don't care. I just get the feeling you don't know why you're arguing, and you are blind to the other side of the issue.

user956

Are you just bored and poking the proverbial sleeping dog for fun? Because you cannot be a serious. You aren't, like, 12 are you? Then it may be that you are.

wow.
while i typed someone wrote the same thing. Even the point about the hypocrite labeling.

not that big of deal. just the timing.

There are plenty of dumb vegans and vegetarians that deserve education, and there are plenty that already know the facts.

The guy had an easy out when I made the suggestion that the line between vegan and vegitarian was arbitrary. If it's arbitrary, then hey, no harm, no foul. You can make up whatever rules you want.

When you start drawing the line at what's "feasible", well, then you've got a problem. What's "feasible" is a judgement call-- it usually comes down to "how hardcore of a vegan are you", because most of them are not willing to really pony up and go live in a cave in the woods.

The term "Vegan" only came about because "Vegitarian" became too common for angsty little teenagers to use to get attention. "Are you vegitarian?" "No, Mom, DUH! I'm, like, Vegan! TOTALLY different, omigod!"

Krootons
Everyone is a hypocrite on most issues, get the fark over it.

that's exactly my point. When you pigeon-hole yourself by self-identifying with a label (of any kind), you set yourself up to be ridiculed as a hypocrite.

/glad someone sees eye-to-eye on this one

user956

or maybe this link is better? (animal fat as it relates to the production of concrete)

/apparently our ignorant friend Tatsuma needs to do a little reading


Sorry user956, you've done a rather convincing job of educating us on the fact that Romans used animal fat to mix concrete, but unless Tatsuma is living in a different time to the rest of us, I'm afraid he has every right to use concrete and still call himself a vegan. Trust me, cement manufacture has moved on a little in the past 2000 years.

user956:

Unless you live in a tent in the park and walk everywhere (all the time), you're a hypocrite.

give it a rest user not everyone is going to follow something 100%. Everyone is a hypocrite and you trying to make her feel bad because she doesn't do something 100% is annoying and tasteless. As she pointed out..
"If a christian doesn't obey to ALL and EVERY SINGLE passage of the bible, 24/7, is he still a christian?" She is still living by a strict code and trying to do her best to avoid going against her beliefs and no matter how long you sit and try to rip and tear her down so you can feel better about some small point it won't happen. I'm sure there are some small kids on your block you can go beat up if you want to feel good about yourself.

Tatsuma:

See, now you're someone I'd very much like to discuss with. Of course it's currently impossible to live without causing some harm to animals, but that's exactly what I'm tring to do, to cause as little as possible harm.. And that's what most vegans are trying to do, too! That's the core of the vegan philosophy. I don't know ANY vegan who claims to be leading a 100% animal-cruelty free, and he'd be an idiot, because he cannot foresee everything

Well then, that sums up your stance and ends your argument with user956. For my own curiosity, I would like to know why you find eating animals to be immoral (as that seems to be your reason for veganism). Is it the pain and the bad conditions, the murder or a religious commitment?

user956:

The guy had an easy out when I made the suggestion that the line between vegan and vegitarian was arbitrary. If it's arbitrary, then hey, no harm, no foul. You can make up whatever rules you want.

Vegan: person who makes a decision to not use products from animals, as much as possible.

Vegetarian: person who doesn't eat meat.

That wasn't so hard was it?

user956:

that's exactly my point. When you pigeon-hole yourself by self-identifying with a label (of any kind), you set yourself up to be ridiculed as a hypocrite.

/glad someone sees eye-to-eye on this one

what are you going on about. Sure everyone is a hypocrite but we use identifying labels so life can be easier sometimes. I call myself white because it's easier than saying "german, french, russian caucasian blend." The only reason you are going after her so hard is because you want to prove that people who say they are vegan are wrong and some how that will vindicate your belief that these people are nuts.

plusminus
Vegan: person who makes a decision to not use products from animals, as much as possible.

See what I mean about the distinction being arbitrary?

/who decides what's "possible"

user956: /who decides what's "possible"

people thinking a little big longer and harder than you. Can't believe you actually are asking this question. Mine as well crank out some of the other big ones in life like "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around does it make a sound?"

I don't know why anyone would want to be a vegan, or even vegetarian. Animals are meant to be eaten.

user956, are you happy being such a negative petty person?

Does it make you feel better about yourself to belittle and try to tear down other people, just to do it? Even if you "prove" someone is a hypocrite, what service as a human being have you provided?

You feel good about yourself when you behave this way?

user956

See what I mean about the distinction being arbitrary?

No, I don't. One avoids eating meat. One avoids eating meat and avoids harming animals. You could be a vegetarian and torture puppies/kittens to death, if you wanted to. Not so if you're a vegan.

you want to prove that people who say they are vegan are wrong and some how that will vindicate your belief that these people are nuts.

I think a lot of people have problems with vegans because they, like fundies, tend to preach to us that the way we live is wrong. Not only does everyone I know hate to be preached to without asking for it, but they also hate being told how they live is wrong.

/Don't biatch, I know not all fundies and vegans do that.

According to Wikipedia, the generally accepted difference between vegan and vegetarian is that vegetarians are ok with honey, eggs, and dairy. That doesn't seem very arbitrary to me.