Id use opera if it didnt have ads - thats teh lame

fuelvolts I understand. I paid for my version. I don't see any reason why I should expect something for nothing. Considering I never plan to contribute code to FF, I don't expect to get it. I'm willing to pay 20 dollars to support a company that I believe has a strong legacy of innovation in web browsers.

I do however like the "nuke" features of FF.

That's another point.

What percent of you FF/open source/Slashdot gearheads actually contribute back to the open source community with your 'l33t' programming skills, and how many of you just like getting software for free. If you fall into the latter- why do you expect someone to work hard creating this with no compensation?

I understand the core developers are probably already compensated- but the arguement is still there for joe user.

Skeezmo - The top three coders on Firefox, and the top two on Mozilla/Gecko are paid to work on these projects.



(Oh, and Opera is an ugly piece of crap! ;) )

Without Firefox, how would we know that Abe Vigoda's current status is unknown?

I was reading the back of a jar of Newman's Own pasta sauce and it says "All profits after taxes are given to charity". So I asked my GF (who knows more legal stuff than I do) why he didn't just make the company a non-profit to begin with. She said that (a) Newman gets more control over what he does with the profits and (b) he avoids a huge mountain of paperwork required to operate as a nonprofit.

Can any legal types here verify that second point?

2005-08-04 04:52:18 AM Gary Busey on a Rampage


RobSkwiat, I wish I could punch you in the face for being so farking annoying.

I second that suggestion. My fingers tingle at the thought.

hattmoward
Opera may be ugly- but you can change that. The menu/toolbars are pretty flexible with where you can put them.

Mine is not that bad looking..Oh, and it renders pages faster, moves through history MUCH faster and was first to market with most of FF key features :)

ahhh, there... much better.

Can someone tell me how to get the screencaps like lordpwnalot and heap did. I thought it would be something simple like right-click save image as, but it doesn't appear to be. Any help?

ahhh, there... much better.

nbrfwhoooo... "Print Screen" button caps what is on your screen to the clipboard. paste it into a photo app, crop, save...

...besides, I don't really care about what my browser looks like.

I view it like this: FireFox seems to me to be for the folks that are annoyed by browsing- things that piss people off when surfing, FF has a way to disable it. I would guess this is because (it's open source and ) extension developers know what they don't like, but do not necessarily have the usability/HCI/Human Factors and or innovative nature to develop products to make it more than a nuisance deterrant.

Opera seems to be focused on using the browser effectively. So if someone is totally innudated and fed up with browsing, I would recommend FF- but if someone likes to have mail and browsing tightly integrated, useful features, I would recommend Opera. Personally, I like the nuke anything feature- there are times that I think that I would like to have that in Opera, but overall, I'm just not bothered by it.

PS: This was already in the NY Times yesterday. Meaning it should have been on Fark a day before.

Behold the tarnished power of fark?

(PPS: Use Opera. All the joys of Firefox and it doesn't crash out every time you try to load a really media-rich page.)

inkdrinker

I agree. My version of firefox crashed all the time and I hated it. I thought it was the worst product ever. Get Opera or stay with IE.

he avoids a huge mountain of paperwork required to operate as a nonprofit.

Can any legal types here verify that second point?

Non-legal, but too experience in 501c3s. (non-profit)

501c3s must be primarily engaged in education, charity, religious, scientific, or a handful of other "non-business" activities. Newman's sauce company likely doesn't qualify because their primary business is making sauce.

There are some major disadvantages to being a 501c3, mostly including being required to have transparent accounting books and having to be operated for what the accepted focus (no giving a $1,000,000 grant to Newman's golf buddies) but the tax exemption on goods purchased and services/goods sold is usually worth the effort for a non-profit.

The actual amount of paperwork is basically because of the tax-refund forms you need to complete in order to receive the taxes you inevitably pay (sales tax on office supplies, etc.) in situations where you can't use your tax id code, so basically it's worth it because that's money you get back and paying staff to do this is more than worth it.

Firefox for OS X Panther is near flawless. Never has crashed ever. Opera is for deep nerds

Thanks eight8. I don't know if I will ever use it, but I just had to know.

opera interface looks like shiat

I have used both ie and firefox and mozilla. between gecko and trident the both render at the same speed on most sites firefox only faster on gundam offical fourms because the software they use is too farking bulky to ie to render fast. trident to looks slower because gecko renders everything as the code is loaded ie waits until the entire page is loaded before it shows anything. Besides even netscape uses trident for its defult renderer now only black listed sites load in gecko now. and technecl aol founded the mozilla foundation to get free labor for netscape. basicly until recently all vollenters were willing slaves for aol under the watch of netscape staff. after aol kill netscape for serving its porpose of giveing aol a reasion to sue microsoft over aol makeing ie the supreme web client and killing netscape. shortly after the case ended netscape was disbanded with most staff moveing to mozilla. and the brand being put on cheap internet service. so farkers flame on flame on no post about web browsers end well there like orgnised religion they have over zelous followers who bash al who do nod beleve in the all mighty "insert Browser mascot here"

You guys are all wrong. PSP Browser is teh best! I'm using it right now! w00t!

/knows PSP browser is not proprietary
//knows it runs a little slow
///still likes to use the intarweb on the can

then change it hairdo! it's highly customizable. i do wish opera soft would go w/ a different look by default.

here hairdo, how simple is this UI?



(link pops)

I use both FF and IE. Mostly FF because I love tabs.

However, other than tabs, FF blows. There is little reason for a program to take 10 seconds to load on a 3.2ghz computer with minimal processes running, but FF manages to do that. For some reason it is a huge resource hog. That, and the little red arrow "update" button NEVER works for some reason.

I do like the extensions FF offers however, and I hope IE 7 incorporates this, and tabs that don't suck.

Thanks for the info, NathanAllen.

You idiots, this is what they said about Deviantart, "don't worry, we won't turn into a big conglomerate corporation with no objective to steal your money". And now look what happened to them.

Sussman: Why are all these Farkizens inventillating words?


To embiggen their vocabilarization?

Teyeger: When Firefox starts including AOL instant messenger, I'm outta here



A M E N ! The last several versions of the fox have been very stable. I would hate to see them add something like that.

Technencally the current netscape is firefox with aim intergrsated in to it. what aol does with the new netscape versions is add the aol crap while removeing all the stuff people get mozilla for like pop-up blocking, the trident core, the usefull features. and force people to use there stuff. the mozilla team get pissed at every netscape relese because it violetes every rule in the mozilla cread. the ie team evean said that they made an fire fox browser clone in c# in a few minutes uesing the ie trident tool kit and that aol made the perfict ie shell with some gecko for added security.

Hmm, my Firefox loaded blazingly fast on a 933 MHz and crashed quite rarely (and much less than IE). Basically, I only have problems if I'm at home and not at school and other members of my family use my computer, no matter what browser I'm using.

Now I have an upgraded 3.2 GHz and the newest Firefox and I have no complaints. Sometimes I just block every cookie I find with one browser and switch to another if I need them for certain things rather than manually, temporarily modifying my cookie preferences in my prime browser.

Browsers have gotten so that several are good as long as you know how to set the preferences well and be a little responsible. So I just keep a few around and use them as needed. With any newish computer, memory is only a problem if something is malfunctioning.

bersl2: Submitter, you farking idiot!

Mozilla cannot sell out, at least as far as the software is concerned, BECAUSE IT'S farkING LICENSED UNDER THE farkING GPL!

I can't believe I'm saying this for the second time this week, but: Submitter, turn in your farking geek card; you are no longer welcome on our Internet.

To bersl2 and everyone else sayong firefox is licensed under the GPL, you are wrong. It is licensed under the MPL. Thats the Mozilla Public License.
Read

you know something up when msdn starts linking to other browsers.
http://channel9.msdn.com/wiki/default.aspx/Channel9.InternetExplorerAlternativ es
and the IE teams view on netscaspe 8 and mozilla.
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/03/03/384739.aspx
/too lazy to mak clicky linkys

re: You're all missing the really important point: there's no Farkit extension for IE.

haha. what would you consider really really important? strawberries on your cornflakes?

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnvs05/html/b rowserexpress.asp
microsofts own opensource browser its firefox interface made in visual c# and explains how easy it was to build for the msdn team. take that firefox fans. also tabed browseing is comeing to oldert ie versions too according to one of the ie blogs the msn team is adding that feature to the msn toolbar.

Teyeger - When Firefox starts including AOL instant messenger, I'm outta here.

Maybe they could fork it into two versions. One with AIM, and a less bloated version for those who prefer. ;)

Hahahaha Mo$illa! maybe Mozi$$a. lolol01l1-010101. 0wned. bababooeybababooey.

heap, I pulled up the task manager and got a very different picture. When both are open I get almost the same memory usage from IE and FF.

heap: Jsimmons38040: Why is everyone saying the memory usage is so high in comparison?

i dunno.

Yeah, and how many windows do you have open?

Mine:

I have never had memory problems with firefox either - or any other problems for that matter...

As for failing to render some pages - the only pages that haven't rendered for me are ones affiliated with microsoft. What an odd coincidence.

/also tried Opera, but prefer firefox... I concur with Tachikoma's wood grain comment.

firefox is soooo stinkin slow to open. that's on an amd 3200+ w/ 1 gig or ram. that POS code blows.

guys w/ your task manager screen caps... it's called a MEMORY LEAK. not something you will see all the time, espically if you just opened the program. give it some time, surf for awhile.

phoxxy: Yeah, and how many windows do you have open?

It's not how many windows you have open, it's how many tabs you're using. Most Firefox users keep mutliple tabs open, that's the whole reason many of them use Firefox to begin with. If you browse just one page at a time, you can enjoy your smaller memory usage, but you're in the minority of Firefox users. I average well over 100 MB of memory for Firefox with about 5 tabs open, and I'm guessing that should probably be about average.

By the way, for the same number of tabs showing the same exact web sites, Opera will ALWAYS use less memory. I just checked this. But I kind of don't like Opera because it's compatibility with most sites is much lower than Firefox's. Plus it has a TON of useless features that I don't need, and they annoyingly clutter up my screen and browsing experience.

Crunch61:

explorer.exe is the windows explorer executable, not the IE executable. Try canceling it and see what happens to your desktop... I don't have FF here so I can't check but as mrFREEZE points out, 918k seems awfully high.

hmmm...wasn't really trying to make a comparison between IE and FF, the post i was replying to was. and that's 918m

phoxxy: Yeah, and how many windows do you have open?

1. several tabs within it, tho.

the massive memory drain happened because i'd had that instance of the browser open for well over a week. the leak just doesn't know when to quit, i guess.

all things considered, remembering to occasionally restart the browser isn't that hard of a fix, but FF has enough other good things going for it that it'd be nice to have that little annoying feature fixed.

those of you that are trashtalking firefox for crashing, are you all using the recent versions, at least 1.0? pages load quite fast on my 2.2ghz machine, even with all my greasemonkey scripts and adblock filtersets, and i rarely crash (not that it matters with the SessionSaver extension).

i know lots of you are talking about speed and clean UI, but i want control of my browsing experience, and i want the interesting tools you can only get from user created extensions (farkit, farky, greasemonkey, etc.).

here is my list of extensions that i use daily:

context search: highglight text and search from definable search engines (just like the search box, but in a context menu)

downTHEMall!: shows all links and media available in page, and lets you download any or all of the files

Download Manager Tweak

Download Statusbar: adds a bar to the bottom to show the downloads instead of the popup window

FirefoxView: actually adds a context menu option to internet explorer to view the open page with firefox instead

MapIt!: highlight an address and it'll google map it

Open link in...(current window, background window, current tab, new tab, background tab...)

Show Image

Tab Clicking Options

Tabbrowser Preferences

IEView: opposite of firefoxview

Image Zoom

OpenDownload: choose which program to open a file with (like the explorer "open with..." command)

Location Navigator: navigate through any numbered sequential internet locations (good for browsing through series of images)

Linky: open all links or highlighted links (or text urls) in new tabs/windows/one tab/one window

Farky
Farkit

BetterSearch: improves all the major search engines by adding functionality to their pages like thumbnails and such

miniT: drag and drop tabs into position

Enhanced Bookmark Search
Enhanced History Manager

FormFox: pops up what those html buttons are actually doing (the "add comment" button at the bottom of this page, for example, sends the form to http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl)

Gcache patched: opens google's cached version of a selected page

Linkification: converts text links into clickable links, including mailto: links

SessionSaver: if your browser crashes, it takes a snapshot of the tabs you had open, and when you reopen the browser it will reload that snapshot

FxIF: shows the embedded EXIF info in images shot by digital cameras (only useful for photographers)

URLid: works in conjunction with custom .css stylesheets to redress individual sites (do a google search for "skinning gmail")

Greasemonkey: script manager, extremely useful for tons of things

Adblock: in conjuction with Filterset.G and greasemonkey, i'm basically ad free.


can any other browser offer me all of that?

thelinuxman: It's trilicenced under 1) the MPL, 2) the LGPL, and 3) the GPL. You only have to accept one IIRC.

I prefer opera for a very specific reason: The magnification works smoothly (^wheel) and enlarges both text and graphics. Being visually impaired sucks.

It does not work perfectly, though. Many times I must go to User Mode view and it still will not wrap text, meaning I have to scroll left and right at every line.

However, it is way better than IE's lameness, and Windows' accessibility package sucks even worse.

I would like Opera to give me a button to swap view modes quickly.

And I would like to shoot whoever puts up browser-specific sites. I hate Activex controls