[deep breathing]
[deep breathing]
[deep breathing]

/calming down... slowly

DodgerOfZion: Wow... You people disappoint me... Tsk tsk.


Ow, my lip.

Jsimmons38040

People are referring to the memory leak.

Aw, come on Fark!

All this flaming and no "only more secure because fewer people use it"-spewing morons yet?

For shame!

muaddib2004

And dan131m, have you ever seen Firefox's source code? Yeah, i don't think many people have

Ummmmmm?

Oh, and 1.5 will come in .msi format as well.

TallAsFark: You know, even if it were only secure because fewer people use it, that still can make it very likely worth your while, especially if security is a concern. The only way you don't gain any security, even in the long run, is if market share switched positions. And I don't see any browser getting to 90% again. And thank God for that.

Listening to people argue about the differences between FF and Opera is like listening to two people argue about the wood grain in the book cases in a library.

It's at that point you pull out the heaviest book you can find and start beating them both because you have to realize that, while both are different products, they're still a helluv a lot better that the other shiat on the market.

Jsimmons38040: Why is everyone saying the memory usage is so high in comparison?

i dunno.

Netscape pwns.

Murkanen
Microsoft has some shiatty products to be sure, but IE isn't one of them.

Wow, that's bold. IE is one of Microsoft's worst products. Take a look at IE vulnerabilities sometime- especially the hundreds of ones that were/are exploitable no matter how you set up your IE.

This is ludacrisp....not to be confused with sugar crisp...

Oh, and Skeezmo: Shut yer face. The enemy is IE. Now, will you stop being jealous of the large sway the FOSS community has compared to your own and of the enhanced marketability of free (as in beer), and save the in-fighting for later.

You would be much more effective in convincing people (not to mention that you would be taking the high road) to use Opera if you push your browser's own positive points and mitigate your browser's negative ones. For instance, why not show people a screenshot of the trial version, to demonstrate that the dreaded ad banner is not as bad as it sounds? This is a far more constructive way to recruit new users than insulting Firefox is. If anything, you're just pushing people back to IE, which helps neither of our browsers.

Thanks heap. That made my day.

I'm clocking out.

When I get up tomorrow today in the morning afternoon, there'd better not be any substantial new idiocy.

Just a simple comment comparing IE to Firefox, which was not what the thread was about, by the way:

When one surfs the web with IE, all kinds of popups, spyware, adware and other junk interferes with the web-browsing experience.

Note that I did not say that IE had any kind of bugs or any other particularly poor security characteristics. Web creators have simply learned how to exploit IE's advertising capabilities.

Firefox, if you have not tried it, will rid you of all that junk. The popups, the constant reminders, etc., will go away.

To each their own. I used Avant and Opera for a while before switching over to Firefox. The first time I tried Firefox, I didn't even add any extensions cause I just wanted to start using it. Doh Since then, I've got it customized to how I like it and would tell anyone to at least give it a shot. As well as giving browsers such as Opera and Avant (even though Avant is based on IE). What works for me might suck for you.

Before I read the story I thought Oh, Poo!

After I read the story I thought WHEW!

What . . . . . . it rimes.

I never really ran into troubles with IE besides the pop-ups, I happen to like using Firefox more.

I just wish I woulldn't get this error somethings after I've closed it. :/

random useless stuff I learned today:

Pasting this into your address bar ends up with something neat: "chrome://browser/content/"

This one will mess with the size of your window, but it's more fun: "chrome://global/content/alerts/alert.xul"

i don't use the internets

Of course. TheRealShadowspawn is the administrator.

who the fark cares if firefox works in a corporate environment? i mean, really, how did this argument get started? for a personal power user, firefox wipes its ass with ie. for a controlled corporate network situation, ie is easier to deal with. firefox and ie are both still free, so who cares who uses which? use whatever you like.

i use firefox 95% of the time, because it's way more customizable, and better suited to my personal browsing style. i have a gig of ram so firefox never really gets too out of hand with the memory. sometimes pages only work in ie, usually only pages that specifically (and pointlessly) lock out firefox users (msnbc), so i switch over to ie for that page. once i finish closing all the popups, i switch back to firefox.

all programs should allow plugins/extensions.

2005-08-04 03:11:00 AM brymaster

I should have added a "Your mileage may vary" but I stand by my comment. IE has been the most stable and useful browser I've used, and I've used the three of the main ones people mention here: IE, Firefox and Netscape. Netscape was ok, but it couldn't handle newer page designs or scripts. Firefox didn't work on anything but the most basic of pages (sorry not really into needing a plug-in everytime I feel like going to a new website, just not my thing). IE was the only one that worked and with the right settings you don't get the popups. Sure it has its security flaws, but so does Firefox. Comparing the two for security holes lately firefox has been MORE vulnerable to exploits (I think a month or so ago it had something along the lines of 3-4 times as many holes found in it than IE), probably because it has gained enough popularity to become an open target to hackers and the like. The more popular something is the more reason there is to find the exploits for it, that is why I don't really get all the folks screaming for Bill Gates' head and crying for Windows to be canned. It's not like any other OS would be able to avoid the same thing happening to them if they became just as popular.

Opera I heard of before, but never bothered to get it the program. Avant is a new name to me, I might go look for it if it is still available.

/didn't preview
//doesn't care either, it's to early in the morning

Firefox Optimized, w/Adblock extension + Filterset.G blocklist, All-in-One Gestures, gcache, gmail notifier, settings set so you start searching when you start typing. Seriously, try to keep up on any other browser, incl. Opera (which I used for years before switching)PWNTLOLOMGWTF111eleventy11!1

RobSkwiat, I wish I could punch you in the face for being so farking annoying.

muaddib2004

And dan131m, have you ever seen Firefox's source code? Yeah, i don't think many people have

I have seen some the Mozilla source code and I even made a minor change in the javascript part. It wasn't much but it was a lot more than I could have done with a closed source browser.

/not a programmer
//slash addict

heap wins.

FireFox > IE for me. Keyword is for me.

Reasons.
1. IE gave me popups, spyware, hijacks, and god knows what else. Firefox doesn't. (And yes, I had Spybot and Norton when I used IE)
2. Tabbed browsing. Yes, IE will eventually get it, but it's still an advantage now.
3. Plugins. I love my FireFox plugins. Mouse gestures, chatzilla, mp3 player.. all imbedded in my browswer.
4. Rendering is RARELY a problem with the sites I visit. Sites I visit usually don't have many rendering glitches, and if they do, they aren't really that big. I take the bad with the good.
5. Speed. I tested both (with my eyes, so nothing scientific here) and I notice very little in the way of speed difference. So I really have NO advantage of using IE that I can see.

I haven't given Opera a whirl yet. I may have to do that. But I will never use IE for anything other than windows update (and if that, I'm moving to almost pure Linux soon).
Happy thoughts everyone! HAPPY THOUGHTS!

heap: i dunno.


firefox is using up 918K? mine's only using 14K and i've got a whole bunch of tabs open and extensions installed.

and skeezmo listen to pugsleythegreat

when he says "phew. chill Skeezmo. This is about getting stuff for free, not youre elitist internets ways."

out of the differences between firefox and opera you listed, some of them can be changed with the addition of an extension -- that is the beauty of firefox (or at least one of its strengths over IE) -- it's customizability.

banner or not, you're still paying for opera either through money or watching their unremovable banner advertisements. to many, many people, the (true) differences between the browsers (stuff that can't be added with extensions or things like opera's "much faster" page rendering) are so negligible that paying any amount of money for a web browser is not worth it.

/btw, for most users, i don't think they need "much faster" page loading. so a page takes 1/4 a second more in firefox *rolls eyes* big deal. relax.

TheRealShadowspawn "you cannot deploy moz over any decent win32 domain efficiently"

I think that should read "I cannot deploy moz over any decent win32 domain efficiently"

And what does that have to do with using Mozilla at home? I've hated using IE ever since I first started using the internet (a long time ago) rather than listen to the browser fanboys (which exist on both sides), I tried a load and found Mozilla to be by far the best. For me. End of story.

Hehe. There is nothing Firfox can't do that Opera can. However, it's impossible to remove from Opera what you don't need.

TallAsFark

Aw, come on Fark!

All this flaming and no "only more secure because fewer people use it"-spewing morons yet?

Thats because it's no longer more secure. My mother, the queen of screwing up web browsers, screwed up Firefox W adware just as badly as she had IE.

we don't make the argument anymore because it's no longer true, adware is being coded to get FF as well now.

...Last time I saw a hook like that, it had a mouth on it... Or something.

/Likes Firefox

Heap
explorer.exe is the windows explorer executable, not the IE executable. Try canceling it and see what happens to your desktop... I don't have FF here so I can't check but as mrFREEZE points out, 918k seems awfully high.

Safari > All + 1

/Likes Firefox
//Forced to use IE at work since other programs I work with won't play nice with Firefox

anyone who had to deploy products knows this already, and anyone who's had to deploy netscape enterprise knows that mozilla is nothing but that cute girl at the end of the bar who might give good head if she's in the mood and is pretty, but sure as hell can't jumpstart a car or drive a stick worth a shiat.

Yeah because when I am out picking up hoes at the bar, I want some head and a woman who can drive me home in my mustang after jumpstarting my buddy's pinto.

FF kind of sucks. Opera kind of doesn't.

Again:

918k does seem awfully high. Especially when I'm only using 30 with FF.

I don't know why there always has to be some kind of imbecilic argument. Use the shiat you like and if you don't like it, don't smell it. I have used FF, Opera and of course IE in the past. I chose FF because it did what I needed it to do....browse. I don't need gestures and other gimicks.

holy crap there's going to be a Mozilla Firefox movie now?

Xieflow is out of the loop:



/thanks imageshack!

My mem usage..
FF...30,308K
IExplore.exe...31,326

Looks pretty even to me. I still use FireFox, in my "Corporate" environment.

FF works great for me.
Don't know what all the fuss is about here.
I can nuke the fark personal and tee shirt ads which makes me feel pretty good. And that annoying "lock picking" one too.

Now that they are a corporation wouldn't that open them up to being sold off to someone like Microsoft?

Opera is the only browser I'll use until FF masters the caching of the history (I read they were working on that). Going back and forward in history is instant in Opera. The tight integration of all the features make it feel like it is a solid piece of software- well thought out, and certainly not "bloatware" like everyone seems to think (smaller download!)

In any event, FF is a fine product, but I'll continue to support Opera as I admire their innovation and I'd like to continue to support it.

I think the memory problems are due to MS Windows, the Linux version appears to have no such issues. MS seem at least capable od controling the memory usage of their own browser on their own operating system. Now if they could just adhere to a few of the international standards...

On that point, does the cost of rolling out FF in a commercial setting compare to the millions web developers spend creating CSS hacks so their pages don't get formatting-raped by in Internet Explorer?

While I'm reading that nothing has changed in the FAQ, I'm reading it in Corporatespeak; language that is patronizing, grandiose, and vague.

I'm concerned--this, in my mind, is the start of a slippery slope that only a few companies have avoided sliding down.

No company incorporates with the intention of becoming evil--hell, Microsoft at one point was just two guys who slept in their offices.

It's just the little corner cut here, the little fee there, the tiny IPO there, the absolutely miniscule stockholder's meeting here, and all of a sudden you've got Unlimited Google Searches for just $9.95/month.

Why open the door to these things?