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2005-08-03 08:24:32 PM
As long as they are kicking holy churches anyway, why not release a game where you are a KKK-Klansman and you have to hang black people from trees. That would be fun right?

Oh wait you got a problem with that? I wonder why.
 
2005-08-03 08:24:50 PM
Xevious:

Executing children. Nice.
 
2005-08-03 08:26:38 PM
ATTENTION: BULLY WILL BE RATED M. IT IS MEANT FOR 17 YEAR OLDS AND OLDER. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE AVERAGE AGE OF A GAMER IS 27. THE VIDEOGAME INDUSTRY IS NOT CENTERED AROUND CHILDREN. THAT IS WHY THIS GAME EXISTS.

And for the love of all that's holy, why not read up about the game and realize it's not the bastard child you think it is.

The uninformed are killing us, the lifelong gamers.
 
2005-08-03 08:28:33 PM
Here is a letter I sent to those liberal tards at that anti-bullying group-


You bashed the new RockStar game about being a bully in an article I just read. Look, I was bullied in school. It sucked. I got my ass kicked. But as an adult, I think it'd be fun to explore a FAKE world and screw around and do stupid things. Things I couldn't and wouldn't do, or ever even be able to have done, in real life. This is an adult's game. You can't go around saying things should be 'banned' just because you don't like them.

Please keep your laws off my body :-)
 
2005-08-03 08:29:12 PM
I don't really mind seeing games with questionable content being released, but i am REALLY starting to get pissed at Rockstar. The last innovative/original game they made was GTA3 (which was just a 3d version of the first GTA's) and now all they care about is creating a game that is as controversial as possible. Look at their recent games: GTA:SA, Manhunt, and now Bully. They know the press will go crazy for it and they will sell a few more copies for that reason, but they are completely trashing the rest of the industry. They are giving video games as a whole a horrible name. If Rockstar somehow got successfully sued out of oblivion, I wouldn't mind a bit. Sure, i love the GTA games, but video games would be much better off without rockstar.
 
2005-08-03 08:29:17 PM
I, too, was bullied as a child. You know what I did about it? Begged my parents for martial arts classes. They looked at me and said, "uh, no." So I decided to get the tougest kid in my neighborhood to show me how to fight - dirty.

I broke one bully's nose, and dislocated another kids shoulder for even implying that I couldn't take care of myself.

Get some balls. If you don't like life, then change it. I'm not implying anyone should use unneccesary force, mind you, but some bullies just need to be put in their place. Don't expect mommy and daddy, your teachers, or the government to look after you. It sets the wrong precedent later on in life for getting screwed on promotions, girlfriends and many other things. LOOK OUT FOR YOURSELF, PEOPLE. Nobody else has your best interests in mind...
 
2005-08-03 08:29:23 PM
lordpwnalot
As long as they are kicking holy churches anyway, why not release a game where you are a KKK-Klansman and you have to hang black people from trees. That would be fun right?

Oh wait you got a problem with that? I wonder why.


The big difference being that you'd be targeting people based on a attribute that they can't change.

In real life, bullying is equal opportunity antisocialness and it carries a risk. Bullies are like snakes who've cornered small furry animals in a corner. Trouble is that sometimes that small furry animal turns out to be a mongoose.

/stole the analogy from Pratchett
//do you want to be a victim forever? Well, then stop playing the victim card.
 
2005-08-03 08:29:56 PM
BTW - I mean that anti-bullying english group that was quoted in the article.
 
2005-08-03 08:30:03 PM
I might be wrong about this, but i seem to recall reading about this game on ign or gamespy a while ago, and the idea was something along the lines of that the character you play is being bullied, and decides to fight back . That's quite different from a game where you actually play the bully.
 
2005-08-03 08:31:19 PM
To Xevious, lordpwnalot, and God-is-a-Taco



If anyone else can give these fine humanity hating gentlemen a smaller violin I suggest sooner the better. Lets all pity the people who couldnt help being bullied.
 
2005-08-03 08:32:13 PM
I was bullied relentlessly in school, so much that I dropped out, then later rejoined at an "alternative school" 5 years later. I am now full of bitter resentment and am extremely cynical towards humanity. Bullying is not a laughing matter, it destroys lives.
That being said, it looks like a fun game. Kids will be bullied as long as parents and schools refuse to do anything about it. Stopping a violent game from being released will have no effect.


Yep, I had similar experiences. When I first heard about this game I thought it was designed to simulate kids getting picked on and fighting back, instead it's glorifying being cruel to people weaker than you. Total trash, should be banned, I don't farking care what you guys think.

And I'm one of the most liberal corporation hating, republican bashing folks I know. I'm usually very much for publishers rights, but this is not innovation...it's using people's most base emotions to sell a product. I'm a fan of the GTA games, but instead of improving the actual game(better human polygon count, improved game engine) Rockstar is just trying on more and more filthy clothes.
 
2005-08-03 08:32:27 PM
The big difference being that you'd be targeting people based on a attribute that they can't change.

In real life, bullying is equal opportunity antisocialness and it carries a risk. Bullies are like snakes who've cornered small furry animals in a corner. Trouble is that sometimes that small furry animal turns out to be a mongoose.


Bullcrap. Could I help being a skinny geek, shorter than the rest of his entire class, and not able to weigh half of what the other kids weighed even when soaking wet? Sure I could have worked out, drank protein shakes, learned to box, yadda yadda yadda... but for what, to fight on the playground? You're full of crap.

Plus, I would love to play a game where I'm a klansman. That would be hilarious. But I also laugh when I hear about our "professional" military getting killed by a bunch of savages in the desert.
 
2005-08-03 08:33:04 PM
Out_to_pasture
I might be wrong about this, but i seem to recall reading about this game on ign or gamespy a while ago, and the idea was something along the lines of that the character you play is being bullied, and decides to fight back . That's quite different from a game where you actually play the bully.

Yep.

Mixing drama and comedy into a single story, Bully follows a schoolboy named Jimmy Hopkins and his adventures in the fictitional "Bullworth Academy." Corrupt from the inside out, the school is overflowing with crooked higher-ups, wicked schoolmates, and a whole mess of bothersome bullies. Throughout this escapade, Jimmy will have to stand up to cruel classmates, pursue a love interest, put up with teachers that pick on him, and play pranks on a mess of annoying little buggers from all over the campus.
 
2005-08-03 08:36:06 PM
Whatever.

Rockstar hid on-disc content from the ESRB (the way you submit a game is by highlighting 'the worst content in all areas' on the disc, and a playable version) so they could get into Walmart.

Then, when confronted, they lied about it.

I don't care two craps about whether or not the content 'should be allowed'. That doesn't matter. Rockstar tried to have their 'big-box retailer' cake and eat it too.

Because of that, anti-videogame folks now have a great example of 'those conniving game companies' to bring up.

ESRB = RIAA: if you don't want to play by their rules, don't sign their contracts.
 
2005-08-03 08:36:15 PM
OMG! People who ACTUALLY READ AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE GAME. I am 'teh' shocked.

Get over yourself, people. I was bullied in high school (overweight, dorky, with thick glasses to boot), and you know what? I'm not going to shun this game just because:

1. It's violent
2. It's controversial
3. It has something I experienced

I got over what happened and am not bitter about it. That's life. You fall into the caste that school gives, and you deal with it.
 
2005-08-03 08:36:24 PM
SchlingFo

re: video games making kids violent

Correlation does not equal causation.

That is all




Palabra.
 
2005-08-03 08:36:38 PM
I wonder how this would be covered if the theme of the game was a young liberal kid who had to fight off a horde of brainwashed Bush supporters.
 
2005-08-03 08:37:19 PM
As long as there is no hidden sex scene that requires a download to unlock, Hillary should not have to waste tax payers money to investigate the source of it.

I guess as long as there is no sex, it is alright by her.

/ wants to buy this game
// thinks parents should take responsibility for what their kids do, not expect video game companies to do so
 
2005-08-03 08:38:55 PM
i will not get too excited until it comes out.

/still pissed about being misled by state of emergency
 
2005-08-03 08:39:20 PM
ATTENTION: BULLY WILL BE RATED M. IT IS MEANT FOR 17 YEAR OLDS AND OLDER.

...

HEY ASSHAT! GUESS WHAT!?! THOSE 250 POUND FOOTBALL PLAYING ASSHOLES THAT EVERYONE FEARS? THEY ARE farkING 17 AND 18 YEARS OLD! YOU KNOW? HIGH SCHOOL JUNIORS AND SENIORS. GET A BRAIN ASSHOLE!
 
2005-08-03 08:39:26 PM
Bantam

those liberal tards at that anti-bullying group

How would they be liberal exactly?

From wiki: liberalism . . . focuses on the ability of individuals to structure their own society

I think the group you're looking for that likes to impose it's morals on others is conservatives.

From wiki: conservatives consider their values to be valid for all persons, not just for themselves.
 
2005-08-03 08:39:36 PM
portnoyd:The Rockstar you know is actually a company called DMA, and their only success is GTA.

oh cmon! lemmings, shadow of the beast, walker....anyone?

dammit people, im 26, dont make me feel old!!! :)
 
2005-08-03 08:40:41 PM
I think I would like to hear from the bully perspective. Apparently this has happened to every Farker (no surprise) and were bullied their entire antisocial life.

SO I would like to see a person who was a bully his entire life and NEVER was picked on... I think I'll be waiting a long time.
 
2005-08-03 08:40:42 PM
i dont care if you disagree with it. i don't care if you want to protest in front of any stores that choose to sell the game. you're free to do your thing. however, rockstar is also free to do theirs and so are any people who want to buy the game. the government should not be banning video games, movies, books, anal beads, or anything that adults want to sell to other adults who want to purchase them provided they aren't a direct threat to anyone else's rights, whether they were born with them or given by the governing state.
 
2005-08-03 08:40:58 PM
I experienced a little bullying through school but I can't find any moral outrage for this. Becoming offended seems to be a national pasttime in Farkistan..
 
2005-08-03 08:41:22 PM
paygun

I'd call you a troll, but that's the most nonsensical flamebait I've read in a long time...
 
2005-08-03 08:43:18 PM
Bantam
Bullcrap. Could I help being a skinny geek, shorter than the rest of his entire class, and not able to weigh half of what the other kids weighed even when soaking wet?

I'm all of 5'5" myself and I weighed about 130 lbs when I got out of high school. That was after I bulked up a little.

Never had a problem with bullies though, and I had to face off a 6'1" moron. The first rule to fighting is to walk away from it. How you choose to do that - by talking your way out of it, by running away (hell, I wouldn't fault you for that), or by beating the other guy up - is situational and is your call. Don't let anyone kid you about honor, any fight that doesn't end up with you being hurt is a win. That doesn't mean you have the right to be a bastard though.

Second rule: never ever play the other person's game - they're likely better at it than you are. In my case I ended up unnerving him by telling him that I'd eat his soul. No, I can't believe that worked either, but there wasn't a problem after that.

If that hadn't worked I'd have needed to get close to him and try to get him on the ground for a choke or joint lock. I'd have probably been screwed, but it would have been smarter than giving him the space to punch or kick me.

At any rate, I'm sorry your childhood was less than ideal, but there's no sense in telling the world that you're a victim. Things change and you can start over.
 
2005-08-03 08:44:11 PM
those liberal tards at that anti-bullying group

How would they be liberal exactly?


Conservative = Kicking people in the face for amusement.
Liberal = Allowing for the possibility that other people have feelings.
 
2005-08-03 08:47:02 PM
When will people realize that the average age of gamers has risen into the mid-20's and that NOT ALL VIDEO GAMES ARE FOR KIDS ANYMORE!

Makes me sick how controlling people want to be... GET OVER IT!
 
2005-08-03 08:47:56 PM
Brainwash

Conservative = Kicking people in the face for amusement.
Liberal = Allowing for the possibility that other people have feelings.


As amusing as that is, I find it disheartening that so few people seem to understand that censorship and banning of things is a conservative action, not a liberal one.

Liberals are all about individual rights, as in, "if you don't like it, then don't listen/play/watch it, but don't impose your views on others." Conservatives are the opposite, "we don't like this, so we're not going to let you listen/play/watch it."
 
2005-08-03 08:49:04 PM
Wow, Brainwash....crazy much?
 
2005-08-03 08:49:27 PM
JackBurton:
Cool! I was pretty proud of it. The correct term for someone that angers a liberal is not troll, though. It's fascist.

I don't wanna leave anyone out, so how bout they make a neocon version where the kid gets to abuse prisoners at Gitmo? The kid would progress through the game by extracting new excuses for the war from the prisoners he tortured.
 
2005-08-03 08:49:31 PM
MusicMakeMyHeadPound

At any rate, I'm sorry your childhood was less than ideal, but there's no sense in telling the world that you're a victim. Things change and you can start over.

Of course. What's in the past is in the past. We just don't want people to go through what we went through. Yeah, I wouldn't stand for that crap now, but back then I was weak and easily manipulated. You could go back in time to when I was 8 and you still wouldn't be able to change how I was unable to deal with the bullies back then.
 
2005-08-03 08:50:46 PM
Maybe all of you that got picked on in grade school and up should have been a little tougher and more adamant about standing up for yourselves.

Don't get mad just because you weren't tough enough to deal with problems with others when you were little.

Now, back to inserting your tampons.
 
2005-08-03 08:51:41 PM
And for everyone making this a political issue:

yes, some liberals are calling for censorship and banning for this game.

They are retards.

No, the current so-called conservatives are not in any way better when it comes to censorship. In fact, they tend to have a worse record of and apply it to many different areas of life.

They are also retards.

When the Republican party manages to live up to its currently laughable rhetoric of being for individual rights you can wake me up.
If the Democrats ever become likeable and have a virtue better than being "slightly less scummy than Republicans", then get my attention.

Until then they're just politicians in the dirtiest sense of the word. Such is life.
 
2005-08-03 08:51:57 PM
I know a girl who works at Target in the electronics section. She has had countless parents come up to her with a copy of San Andreas and say "What's this game about again?" and she'll explain the rating and how it contains killing sprees, foul language, carjackings and prostitution... the mother usually will start boiling and most of the time end up saying "Well, he's not going over to Jimmy's house after school any more!"

Know what your freakin' kids are playing. Try the game before you buy it. Try the game before you hand it over to your kids. Read a review on the internet. Don't just say "Oh, this game is all the rage, i'll buy it for my 13-year old." Get informed and these problems won't exist. Impressionable young children probably shouldn't play the GTA series of games, but it's up to the parents to make the call. If, after reading reviews, seeing news reports about the game and talking to others they still determine that this is the type of game that 13-year old Timmy should be playing, that's an entirely different issue. The warnings are out there and I'd say they're pretty clear - uninformed parents are the problem.

//grew up in the Leisure Suit Larry era, when it was all just bad sex jokes
 
2005-08-03 08:52:10 PM
Brainwash



Get over high school and get over yourself. Try to bully people online with your sedo-intelligent remarks on Fark doesn't help your case either. And stop saying you are liberal. You give them a bad name.
 
2005-08-03 08:52:20 PM
But those of you who make this into a political flamewar are the biggest pussies of all.
 
2005-08-03 08:53:40 PM
doctor op

NOT ALL VIDEO GAMES ARE FOR KIDS ANYMORE!

I just made a game of 5 mexicans raping doctor op's mom in the back of a van. Each mexican has a different weapon, STD, and favorite sex move(includes anal). Just $15 a copy, e-mail me if you want a copy.
 
2005-08-03 08:54:56 PM
You know, I was kind of a geek/nerd was I was little. But I had a way of handling things so that I wasn't really picked on. I hung out with the geeks and the "cool" kids (whom I mostly disliked being with).

I think what people need to teach children is self respect. I was a nerd with self respect, and that took me miles.

Just a thought. Self respect. Teach it, learn it.
 
2005-08-03 08:57:22 PM
Brainwash:

Not everybody feared the 250 pounds football player, if you just treat them like anyone else they're cool. It's easy to get along with everybody.

In my school, the kids who got picked on were the ones who did not know how to lighten up and have fun. It's a GAME. I guess we should outlaw showing crime on tv and in movies so people don't do it. Seriously, grow up.
 
2005-08-03 08:57:49 PM
paygun

I'd like to buy you a drink... so that I can throw it in your face.

I think.
 
2005-08-03 08:59:18 PM
Brainwash

I just made a game of 5 mexicans raping doctor op's mom in the back of a van. Each mexican has a different weapon, STD, and favorite sex move(includes anal). Just $15 a copy, e-mail me if you want a copy.

I guess being raped by Mexicans is something close to you so much you can make a video game out of it. Care to share with us your past troubles?
 
2005-08-03 08:59:46 PM
Bantam
Please keep your laws off my body :-)

You're a moran.
 
2005-08-03 09:01:29 PM
Brainwash

Nice to see mexicans are finally being included in videogames. I'm tired of always seeing honkies and darkies all the time.

Now if they could only make a dance game out of your concept...
 
2005-08-03 09:02:11 PM
In my school, the kids who got picked on were the ones who did not know how to lighten up and have fun.

OK, so what you're saying is if anyone doesn't know how to lighten up and have fun...then they deserve to get beaten and terrorized? I mean, I know this is just the internet...but do you really believe what you're saying? If you do it's because you've never been on the recieving end. Trust me it's not very easy to 'lighten up' when you're afraid for your life every day.

Don't you think it might make sense that the folks with social problems need the most help? Instead you're saying 'just kill off the ones that don't belong'. I'm telling you, there's absolutely no difference between that doctrine and hitler's.
 
2005-08-03 09:02:11 PM
holy shiat i bet half the people who did bullying in this world didnt give a crap about any one they bullied and would probably die laughing right now if they saw how many people whine over being bullied in thier youth...jesus christ people shiat happens get over it.
 
2005-08-03 09:02:40 PM
You guys realize you're on an internet forum, right? The way you carry yourselves here seems very peculiar...
I was a little kid when I was bullied. Would you people honestly walk up to a little kid and just tell him "toughen up, you little wuss"? I imagine you would approach the matter differently, as you should mine. I'm an adult now, I wouldn't stand for that crap anymore, but kids are easily manipulated and do not know of the world's workings.

If you read my original message you'll see that I have no problem with this game, but I do have problems with bullying.

I'll be waiting for your masculine response.
 
2005-08-03 09:02:58 PM
I would love for the game creators to make a game where I can do a mission any way I want to, not follow a predetermined track. Like if I'm playing a FPS and there is a hostage situation in a builing, I should be able to enter the builing and do the job my way, like scaling the wall or blowing up the door.

And the most important aspect of a game should be its realism like when I throw a grenade at the wall, it should make hole in it, not color it black. But too much realism can cause headaches, like the "Rainbow Six" games(2 bullets, you're dead, WTF). I'm frustrated with that game, I can't even finish a mission in the normal mode.

If the above post does not make any sense to you, it is probably because I'm pissed off right now.
 
2005-08-03 09:03:01 PM
Dr. Frisbee:

I was a new kid and got picked on for months after I moved to a new school. I thought about going that route, but I opted to beat some ass instead. After I bloodied a couple faces I had a lot more self respect and no more problems with bullies. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with how you handled it though.

I'm enjoying being a pussy though, so I have to say this: You sound like a bleeding heart friggin lefty.
 
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