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(SFGate)   Bush endorses teaching of competing theories of evolution, creation   ( sfgate.com) divider line
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2005-08-02 08:54:34 AM  
Can we just teach kids that they live in the Matrix? I like that sci-fi plot better.
 
2005-08-02 08:59:09 AM  
Competing theories?!? Oy.
 
2005-08-02 08:59:09 AM  
Bush proves that we are evolved from monkeys, only that some of us evolved a little bit faster than others.

/flamebait for the liters
 
2005-08-02 09:00:06 AM  
Heh, I can see it now...

Teacher: "Now children, today we shall be learning the theory of Creationism: God did it. Now, if you would like to open your textbooks, we can move onto the theory of Evolution."
 
2005-08-02 09:00:43 AM  
All over the world, people are working hard to raise themselves out of ignorance and superstition, while here in America we're doing our best to slide back into it...
 
2005-08-02 09:01:29 AM  
"I think that part of education is to expose people to different schools of thought"

Cool, when will the Taliban be giving classes?
 
2005-08-02 09:03:55 AM  
Now can we hear from someone who is not a complete dumbass? Science in schools. Religion in church. It's not that hard or unfair.
 
2005-08-02 09:03:55 AM  
meshman: Cool, when will the Taliban be giving classes?


right after we present socialist thought?
 
2005-08-02 09:04:49 AM  
Since God is the foundation of the Creationist theory, as they're pushing Creationism as an equivalent to a scientific theory shouldn't they have to first prove that God exists?
 
2005-08-02 09:05:46 AM  
well, that's idiotic. where's the love for zoaraster?
 
2005-08-02 09:06:27 AM  
albo: well, that's idiotic. where's the love for zoaraster?

There is no Dana, only Zuul.
 
2005-08-02 09:06:34 AM  
Stupid.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

it's a really funny word if you say it enough
 
2005-08-02 09:06:58 AM  
Oh sure, they say it's all good and well to teach evolution; but when I fling feces during the morning pledge of allegiance in home room, everyone acts as if something is so wrong.

/Simian Liberation Army
 
2005-08-02 09:07:10 AM  
Occams_Electric_Razor:

Since God is the foundation of the Creationist theory, as they're pushing Creationism as an equivalent to a scientific theory shouldn't they have to first prove that God exists?

Prove YOU exist, first.
 
2005-08-02 09:07:28 AM  
Start teaching philosophy to high school kids and you can include Creationism-lite in that curriculum. It has no place being taught in a science classroom.
 
2005-08-02 09:07:35 AM  
I'll agree to this only after the Scientologists get their imput too.
 
2005-08-02 09:07:53 AM  
But Intelligent Design is only a theory. The theory says "It's too complicated, my brain hurts, let me go back to being blindly subservient......"
 
2005-08-02 09:08:59 AM  
scottkuma: Prove YOU exist, first.

I do not accept existential challenges from figments of my own imagination.
 
2005-08-02 09:09:18 AM  
Competing theories as in one is a valid scientific theory, as close to a truth as science gets while the other is a bunch of mumbo jumbo from some book some people wrote a long time ago that says it's the word of god.

Best summary of Creationism I've seen. (pops)
 
2005-08-02 09:10:25 AM  
Prove YOU exist, first

I think, therefor I am...


Also, my creditors seem to have a pretty good idea that I exsist, as does my boss.


What kind of bills does god get in the mail?
 
2005-08-02 09:10:40 AM  
i bet there are some pretty pissed off gigantic world-carrying turtles about now, too
 
2005-08-02 09:12:12 AM  
"I think that part of education is to expose people to different schools of thought," Bush said. "You're asking me whether or not people ought to be exposed to different ideas, the answer is yes."

The horror. THE HORROR.

Everyone needs to bow their knee and profess absolute allegiance to Darwin
 
2005-08-02 09:12:21 AM  
This thread should be a pretty good litmus test for those Farkers right-of-center. It'll separate the Wingnuts from the intelligent Conservatives.

We should get someone to keep score.
 
2005-08-02 09:12:27 AM  
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2005-08-02 09:12:41 AM  
You know, I just don't understand all the animosity between the sides of this "argument." I went to a Christian college, my Dad is a pastor, and I go to church. A Baptist church. I never had any problem learning or believing in evolution while reconciling that with my belief in God. In fact, in my religious college, evolution was taught, because it explains so much. Once someone can admit to themself that they can believe in evolution and God, the argument becomes purely academic.
 
2005-08-02 09:12:47 AM  
"And who can tell me where thunder and lightning come from? Yes, Bart?"
"The Leader, ma'am."
"Very good, Bart! And who invented Morse Code?"
"Oh, I should know this one... the.. the Leader?"
"Ah, correct again!"
 
2005-08-02 09:12:47 AM  
Hey, anyone know the answer to this?

If my child is in a public school that's teaching creationism, errr.. I mean intelligent design or whatever the fark, can someone fill in this blank?

Teacher: "See, intelligent design suggests that there was a creator who had a guiding hand in the development of life."
Student: "Why did the creator do this?"
Teacher: "_______________"
 
2005-08-02 09:13:28 AM  
albo: well, that's idiotic. where's the love for zoaraster?


Xenu could kick zoaraster's ass
 
2005-08-02 09:14:16 AM  
whoa, bevets is a tf'er now?

and in early...
 
2005-08-02 09:14:32 AM  
Bevets!

hey, can we teach the Inuit creation myth as an alternative, too? Their snow monster who shiat the world is pretty scientific
 
2005-08-02 09:14:36 AM  
2005-08-02 09:12:12 AM Bevets

Everyone needs to bow their knee and profess absolute allegiance to Darwin

You know Bevets, I'd never thought about worshipping Darwin before. I have to say you make a pretty good case. You've just converted me.
 
2005-08-02 09:14:42 AM  
scottkuma: Prove YOU exist, first.

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2005-08-02 09:16:43 AM  
BTW, isn't it the Big Bang theory that could possibly conflict with Creationism, not evolution?
 
2005-08-02 09:16:44 AM  
Xenu could kick zoaraster's ass

And Cthullu shall bring destruction upon them all.
 
2005-08-02 09:17:21 AM  
Hahaha, what a joke. What the fark is wrong with your country?
 
2005-08-02 09:18:01 AM  
They should teach intelligent design... in a philosophy or theology class. Let the kids decide how they like it if they choose to take the course.

It does not, however, belong anywhere near a biology class.
 
2005-08-02 09:18:07 AM  
Big farking deal. I came from a very conservative religious community and the science teachers in high school alway precluded their evolutionary teachings by saying "now, not everyone believes these theories to be true...I am not here to disuade your beliefs so you can accept these theories or not" or something similar.

Didn't help or hurt anything.

I really don't think it is a big deal if they teach that "a God or Intellegence is theorized in many circles to have put all this here". I seriously don't think it will matter.
 
2005-08-02 09:18:14 AM  
I like binnster's comment the best so far. This should play out nice here in a little while. I have a test in about 45 minutes, I can't wait to come back and see how this thread progresses. I predict a calm, meaningful, intelligent debate about how utterly farking retarded it is to teach creationism in school.
 
2005-08-02 09:18:27 AM  
I don't mind kids learning different creation stories. However, if they are going to learn the Judaeo-Christian version, then I want them to learn the Muslim, Hindu, Buddist, etc versions too. If Bush wants to do this under the guise of "exposing children to different ways of thought," then they better actually do that.

/living in a dream world
 
2005-08-02 09:18:31 AM  
Nabb1: And Cthullu shall bring destruction upon them all.

Vishnu will come in, kick all their asses, eat their bodies, then have sex with them...

//isn't it something like that? I tend to get confused
 
2005-08-02 09:19:00 AM  
What the fark is wrong with your country?

hey, you just tend to your own knitting and faded empire, limey
 
2005-08-02 09:20:10 AM  
Now, if only we could get some hot female teacher to teach students how procreation works.
 
2005-08-02 09:20:25 AM  
binnster:

Teacher: "Now children, today we shall be learning the theory of Creationism: God did it. Now, if you would like to open your textbooks, we can move onto the theory of Evolution."


That's kind of a good point, what, exactly, would they be TEACHING?

Not spending 2 class periods picking away at evolution, but what actual reasons/examples/proof would they present FOR ID, not against evolution?
 
2005-08-02 09:20:45 AM  
albo
hey, you just tend to your own knitting and faded empire, limey

I'm no bloody limey!

/ runs off screaming
 
2005-08-02 09:21:23 AM  
I_C_Weener : Now, if only we could get some hot female teacher to teach students how procreation works.

Damn right! A lot could be learned from that!
 
2005-08-02 09:22:02 AM  
KyngNothing: Not spending 2 class periods picking away at evolution, but what actual reasons/examples/proof would they present FOR ID, not against evolution?

They pick the scientific articles that support their fiction and ignore the rest.
 
2005-08-02 09:22:17 AM  
Bevets: The horror. THE HORROR.


Hey Bevets.

Long time, no see.

You are a legend in these here parts (spoken with western drawl for fun)!
 
2005-08-02 09:22:29 AM  
you know, Larry Niven posed an interesting creation theory with his Pak protectors. we were put here by the Pak and we're just breeders who fail to have access to tree of life. can we teach that as an alternative?
 
2005-08-02 09:23:00 AM  
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Lar
2005-08-02 09:23:07 AM  
I hope they allow all the various creation stories to be told. :) I'm sure that was what Bush meant...not just the Judio-Christian version.
 
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