Once she sets foot over there, her military service overseas will automatically exceed Dubya's.

/HERO tag, indeed.

Jolonco

Most of you don't understand the Honor of military service because you have never served.

Most of us understand that the only benefit of service is flourished rhetoric about honor. Appropriately, we don't join cause we've got better things to do.

Sign up or shut up

point one
People with GEDs don't normally graduate early: If this is the case then they are socially inept and think being 16 in college is cool and will get you laid.

point two
Nothing is worth dieing for.

Jaegs: Good idea, soldiers need sluts out there for release.


Don't be such an ass.

Jolonco

you mean the honor of doing a job, whereby you may well put yourself in the line of fire, or kill others, on the whim of a politician. given how corrupt the politicians are, that's a dubious honor

i don't hear government pen pushers, whiling away the time until their pension in some backwater office, keep going on about the honor of their job - or if they do, i hope they aren't taken seriously

Thos abu ghraib photos would have looked so much *hotter* had she been the one domineering the naked men and videod having sex with troops.

Blade2567

Just remember that she is enlisting to ensure you assholes have the right to post negative anti military crap.

Naw man, that's the ACLU....

QQue

This is what we call an illusion of grandeur.

Eh.... The prime minister did state that the protests are what made up his mind about not going...

"Just remember that she is enlisting to ensure you assholes have the right to post negative anti military crap."

Hahahaha. Please someone explain how blowing up Iraq is defending our rights. Please. I really want to know.

Blade2567

Just remember that she is enlisting to ensure you assholes have the right to post negative anti military crap.

Naw man, that's the ACLU Patriot Act....

....wait...doh.

Appropriately, we don't join cause we've got better things to do.

Spoken like a true gutless canadian

Save your venom of those in charge who turn their backs on the people they send to fight for them.

So the general public chooses when and where to send troops now? I guess you forgot all the millions of people protesting against sending troops.

Personally, I think George W and his gang should go over and fight with the leaders of the terrorist groups. Why involve hundreds or thousands of innocent people when it's just a handful of people that are too stupid to find a political path to solving disputes? If they feel so strongly about this war, then they should have zero hesitation with picking up a gun and fighting themselves. Zero. But who are we kidding, Bush is a coward, and a liar. I can't wait to till he's out of office.

/and for the record, i served in the military
//we are not fighting for our freedom in Iraq
///slashes are fun!

Blade2567:

**next liberal windbag that gets in my way is getting a big mouthful of STFU.
**I won't be responding so save the keystrokes.

So, how can you tell them to STFU if you don't respond?

Coward AND idiot, what a revoltin' combination.

Limp_Penis

Spoken like a true gutless canadian

Man, when there is a worthy cause, I'll join.

Blade 2567

I'll stop bashing my military when they start DEFENDING and quit INVADING countries that have not threatened us.

Remember, Its the "Dept. of Defense" not the "Dept. of War"

Last week, the fire department put out a fire in a house of some jerk who deserved to have his house burnt down. I think the fire department even caused it, and they parked their stupid truck on my lawn. I hate those fire fighters. No one should ever joing the fire department. If someone wants to help people, they can hand out cardboard boxes and blankets.

/Yea, convincing young people to not join the military because you don't agree with THIS administration or THIS military action does in no way impact our capabilities for that time in the future when you WANT our troops to do something.

//Go Army

Zing! 5 points for kevin

Hurrah!

To all you Gung-Ho honor in murdering others and God folk:

I don't believe in our military. I don't support our troops. It' sno different than a gang war over their turf. People killing people needlessly.

The only honor and respect you get is are from leaders who need more fodder. The salute you so others will take your place ot earn their honor. Honor is a good ploy to make people lay down their lives.

You're not fighting for my freedom.
again
You're not fighting for my freedom.

Don't tell me you're fighting for my freedom. You're not. WWII Vets fought for my freedom. Vietnam vets did not. Gulf War vets did not. Iraq did not have the capabilities or desire to attack us.

You're not fighting for my freedom.

You're not tougher, rougher, or more hardcore than me. Don't tell me your going to kick my ass. Don't tell me to shut the fark up. I listen to what you have to say, you listen to what I have to say. That's how democracy works.

There is no honor in killing.
There is no honor is murdering.
There is no honor in _________.

Thank you, and I salute those who fight for what they believe in, not what others tell them to believe in.

Kevin5Lynn
Most of us understand that the only benefit of service is flourished rhetoric about honor. Appropriately, we don't join cause we've got better things to do.

Like keep repeating "flourished rhetoric" in every post. You can't understand the honor because you have none. Better things to do I guess, like hate America.

2005-08-01 04:01:33 PM mr_entropy

I like to hear how it's been going since you moved to Canada. How was the trip? were the immigration officials pleasant? What about the cultural differences so far? Did they welcome you with open arms when you told them you came here to flee from the Evil Bush Administration???

Having tried to enlist on 2 different occasions, and being turned down due to age restrictions on my second try, I have the utmost respect for her.
I wanted to go military when I was younger and my father talked me out of it. It was logical, it was reasonable, it was rational...he made sense. So I didn't do it. I have few regrets in life, but that is one of them.
During the first Iraq War, I went to enlist, but the war ended too quickly. I should've enlisted anyway. After 9/11, I was too old. They just raised the age they'll accept enlistees, and I'm 1 year over that now. I'd still join.

Too many people don't recognize the value of discipline and command structure. I have a problem accepting authority and constantly fight command structures, which I would have gotten out of my system by joining when I was younger. Now it just plays a role in preventing my advancement beyond a distinct level in the corporation.
Some people feel my issues with authority are a good thing, and so do I. But what isn't good is the inability to accept a command structure and find ways to work within it.

That kind of discipline is invaluable. Sure, alot of the stuff in the military is chickenshiat. But learning to manage yourself under fire, discipline yourself to work within the team, and build your self confidence by learning what you're capable of....that's stuff that's hard to learn in one place all at once.

I oppose selective service. I do support an all volunteer armed forces. I have told both my sons how proud of them I'd be if they signed up.

There's no reason to hold a grudge against people who don't like the military. The way I see it, it's like holding a grudge against atheists because they don't believe in God. In either situation, what's the point? People can believe what they want. Doesn't make them right, and it doesn't make them stupid. But if you dismiss things out of hand, as I see so many people on this thread dismissing the military, it's only because they don't know what they are missing.

all bushiat aside guys, despite the large display of idiocy in some of these posts...

She wants to join the service, good for her, for whatever the reason, whether she's Miss Universe or McDonalds employee of the month.

If you'll notice, I'm not saying anything else except good for her.

I'm happy you all have opinions on this matter, and express them so freely. Bottom line is though, she's doing what she wants to do, and Amen for the ability to do that.

museamused:

However, I've heard some pretty alarming statistics regarding the number of sexual assaults of females in the armed services by their male counterparts.

I did 8 years in the AF. Once this guy in my shop tried to get me to have sex with him in the T tale of a C141. I pushed him away (knee to groin action). He bragged to the other guys in my shop about it, they promptly took him out behind the squadron and beat the living hell out of him. He never bothered me again.
That's the only time I ever had a problem and it was quickly resolved.

If she wants to die over in the sand dunes. Hey its a free country. If you want to volunteer for a short life, loss of limb, poor pay, and/or a life of following commands. Go for it.
//Why Does Darwinism love Bush?

'2005-08-01 04:07:09 PM Limp_Penis

Appropriately, we don't join cause we've got better things to do.

Spoken like a true gutless canadian'

Lay off Kevin! His yellow streak is hereditary. Mom was knocked up by some hippie running from the Vietnam war. Dad left after Jimmy Carter granted him amnesty. Kevs working through some issues here.

Think of him as the alter-universe half and half like a son and daughter of a Vietnamese mom and GI dad.

Save your venom of those in charge who turn their backs on the people they send to fight for them.


So the general public chooses when and where to send troops now?


Would it make more sense if "of" was supposed to be "for"?

totheright

Keep repeating "flourished rhetoric" in every post.

Well, that is just about the only argument pro war people have!


You can't understand the honor because you have none.

See! that's exactly what I'm talking about! It's like you people are Klingons or something!

Better things to do I guess, like hate America.

I love America man, it's a truly great country.

Honor me, biatches!

I want yuo to honor me!

I dropped a farking nuclear bomb on a civilian city in Japan and killed innocent people!

NO farkING HONOR ME! I HAVE TEH HONOR!!!!

QQue

This is what we call an illusion of grandeur.

kevin5lynn
Eh.... The prime minister did state that the protests are what made up his mind about not going...

if these closet mo jarheads get to think that they're defending our freedom then the anti-war protesters should get to think that they saved lives where war was averted.

joelogic

Bottom line is though, she's doing what she wants to do, and Amen for the ability to do that.

Actually, she can't fight....

... because she's a woman...

Beats Burger King I guess.

kevin5lynn: stated and actual reasons are rarely the same in politics. Did the protests around G-8, with the same cadre of clowns and pisspoor rhetoric, change any Canadian policy?

/glad we were not involved, as we can barely manage our commitment in Afghanistan.

You realize Pat Tillman died in friendly fire?

the_gospel_of_thomas

did this non-event happen locally to you? or is it being widely circulated on your favorite right-wing propaganda outlets, where you then picked it up?

Dancin_In_Anson

War is the ugliest thing.

Human beings, people, trying to violently murder each other is the ugliest thing.

Living in peace and safety is beautiful.

/Although I loved The Devil's Rejects, so what does that say about me?

omerta_bk

Stated and actual reasons are rarely the same in politics.

True enough...

Cool. The more people they have in the army willing to work in warehouses for $8/hour, the more good jobs there are for me. Joining the army is a career choice, nothing more, nothing less. It isn't more honorable than many other career choices. She is NOT defending my freedom and neither is anyone else in IRAQ. The nation I live in invaded Iraq, not the other way around. I have no beef with the military in general, my father and grandfather fought in two just wars - anyone remember those? If we get invaded by China or space aliens, I'll be the first to volunteer. One can respect what the military has meant to this nation without blindly agreeing to every one of their endeavors. The one they have undertaken in Iraq is foolish, shortsighted and counterproductive.

/salutes smeegle

DaShredda
As long as there are humans, there will be war and violence. It is naive to believe that one day we will all live in a happy happy joy joy place. Furthermore, it is a fantasy.

DIA whacks off to Tom Clancy.

DIA...

Yea, no shiate. It makes me wonder if all these liberals and idiots (same thing) had any understanding of America's role in history, would be soooo thankfull that we are here and we have done what was needed when civilisation had it's back up against the wall.

NONE of them would be even able to post the bile filled crap they gleeflully type out with one hand on their spit covered keyboards. They are products of the liberal establishment: Bite the hand that feeds them, and demand more.

Liberals get what they deserve. I just wish they could "Get it" without the rest of us being killed, repressed and enslaved.

/Doing my application to OCS this week.
//Second tour HERE I COME!!!!
///35 years old, and going back after 12 years.
////slashes are fun
/////Putting my ass on the line again, so bite my shinny metal ass you friggin pussy anti-war liberals.

Dancin_In_Anson

i don't think that you understand that js mill quote - it ceretainly doesn't contradict, in any way, DaShredda

"The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." John Stuart Mill."

Bleh. So I should pick a cause and kill all who oppose me? Battles can be waged without bullets or fists. Johhny boy was short sighted.

Why is it that if one does not wish to serve in the armed forces they are called a coward and told that their life has no purpose?

One does not need to be a soldier in order to be a hero.

If being a soldier was the only means by which a person could give their life meaning, purpose, and worth then the world would be in a sorry state indeed. If we were all soldiers there'd be nothing to do but fight one another; we'd end up extinct from killing eachother off.

Being able to fire a gun and take life does not make one a hero. Being a hero is a bit more complicated and difficult than that. Dying dosen't make a person a hero either.

I have quite alot of friends that are in the military. Know why they joined? Because they didn't have enough money for college and their parents kicked them out. They had no noble reason for joining the armed forces.

You people are all fakes. You call these men and women who died heroes because it makes you look good to honor them; it makes you feel like a good person. You're just sanctimonious people trying to look better than people more intelligent and more scrutinizing than yourself.

Given the choice those dead soldiers would rather be alive and mundane than dead and heroic.

Wow, smart move on her part.

She becomes a succesful model, then joins the army and gets shipped off to a pointless god forsaken war in the middle of no-where

What a hero.

The Iraqi-war propaganda machine is scraping the bottom of the barrel lately, its becoming more clich everyday.

Sorry dudes, I guess I just hate America and George Bush and just hate stuff because i'm just a hater who hates things.

Tillman died because he was there.

JohnBigBootay
So if it is a career choice, why would you join if China invaded? According to you there wouldn't be any emotional calling.