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2005-07-29 11:59:43 AM  
Did the grim reaper join the boy scouts recently or something?
 
2005-07-29 12:01:26 PM  
This is their payback for worshipping the wrong god.

Xenu is pissed!
 
2005-07-29 12:03:59 PM  
That's what you get when you ban gays. God obviously disapproves.
 
2005-07-29 12:04:24 PM  
tommrow, eh?
 
2005-07-29 12:04:36 PM  
"Dear Mom:

Camp's great! If you overlook the 4 dead scout leaders, 300 kids with heat exhaustion, a few medevac flights, some really pissed off military police, and a President who bailed. Miss you, send brownies."

Love, Timmy"

\submitted story yesterday with an "un-funnier" headline, but better spelling
 
2005-07-29 12:04:53 PM  
sleepover tommrow night.
Oops. Silly submitter. Spell checkers are for kids.
 
2005-07-29 12:09:35 PM  
Look at the bright side. All the attendees this year will have earned their Advanced First Aid merit badge by the time the Jamboree is over.
 
2005-07-29 12:10:52 PM  
Looks like 300 kids didn't get their "hot weather survival" merit badges!
 
2005-07-29 12:10:55 PM  
I had that happen to me on a summer camping trip. After that I always made sure to keep myself well hydrated in the heat, so it was a good learning experience.
 
2005-07-29 12:12:16 PM  
Good headline, submitter.
 
2005-07-29 12:12:22 PM  
For as memorable as this Jamboree always is, this will surely be one to be put behind in memory. Thoughts and prayers to all involved - not exactly the event all the scouters were looking forward to.
 
2005-07-29 12:12:54 PM  
They were waiting for Dubya to show up, weren't they? I never saw whether he did wind up addressing the group.
 
2005-07-29 12:14:55 PM  


Lord Robert Baden-Powell, the founder of the Scouts, was a homosexual and a pedophile. Tom Jeal's The Boy-Man, a 1990 biography, details Baden-Powell's attraction to, and likely affairs with, teenage boys, as well as his fondness for nude boy photos and requirements that Scouts in his care should bathe outside naked. Today Baden-Powell would have made the top ten on a Sex Offenders Registry list.

Full Article
 
2005-07-29 12:15:41 PM  
kais3rsoz3i --'send brownies" lol..

Brownies = British Girl Scouts
 
2005-07-29 12:16:06 PM  
They were waiting for Dubya to show up, weren't they? I never saw whether he did wind up addressing the group.

Rescheduled, supposed to be this Sunday.
 
2005-07-29 12:16:52 PM  
Beemer:

They were waiting for Dubya to show up, weren't they? I never saw whether he did wind up addressing the group.


It was rescheduled for Sunday. Marine One couldn't fly in the heavy thunderstorms. The camp ground is not too far from DC.
 
2005-07-29 12:17:18 PM  
"MJ"... im assuming you don't mean Micheal Jordan...
 
2005-07-29 12:18:21 PM  
British
no, but Death Jr did

 
2005-07-29 12:18:22 PM  
This is exactly what event organizers deserve for holding this year's Jamboree on an ancient Indian burial ground.
 
2005-07-29 12:18:26 PM  

GIS for "tommrow":

 
2005-07-29 12:18:56 PM  
Tuff weather in VA this wk, was hotter in VA Beach wednesday than it was in Iraq. Heat index of 118. Amazed that only 300 kids went down with the heat. We were flying the black flag to limit training outside. Maybe the President can visit the scouts this wkend, weather is only gonna be in the low 90's. Buzzy.
/drinking lots of bug juice & water this week
 
2005-07-29 12:20:14 PM  
Ba'boon:

For as memorable as this Jamboree always is, this will surely be one to be put behind in memory. Thoughts and prayers to all involved - not exactly the event all the scouters were looking forward to.


I think the majority of the kids will have good memories. There is 40,000 of them so it's basically a medium sized town out there.
 
2005-07-29 12:21:23 PM  
This is going to be great. Considering the luck they've had so far, I'd be very surprised if Bush shows up at all.

I mean, this is the man who was almost killed by a pretzel, two bicycles, a Segway and ... well, okay, the grenade was f'd up, but still, a pretzel!



I would be very surprised if Bush didn't cripple himself while giving a whittling demonstration.
 
2005-07-29 12:21:35 PM  
C'mon guys, drink plenty of water, wear hats, seek shade, and avoid unnecessary activity when the heat index is too high. It's all right there in the handbook. Baden-Powell is spinning in his grave so fast right now you could generate power.

And before the 'goddamn gay-bashers get what they deserve' thing goes too far, there exist Scouts and Scout leaders who are actively working to change things in the Scouts, both within and without the organization. It's damn hard to do when your National leadership is a bunch of conservative jerks buried deep in the heart of Texas, but we're trying anyways. Don't paint all Scouts with too broad a brush - there's plenty of good ones out there.

/Eagle Scout, 1993
 
2005-07-29 12:23:42 PM  
If I were a parent, I wouldn't let my son anywhere near the Boy Scouts. They seem to be having an incredible string of bad luck lately. You'd think they'd have some good karma coming to them what with, you know, all the sexual molestation and such.

I guess that was needlessly imflammatory. I withdraw my statement.
 
2005-07-29 12:26:19 PM  
It is those uniforms, they can be very uncomfortable and hot. FYI - agree with Vorticity the Monkey there are a lot of people in scouts that do not share the views of the party line of Scouting leadership. If you find the correct troop, scouts can be an incredible, healthy experience.

/eagle scout, 1990
//feel really bad for those four scouts who witnessed the accident a few days ago
 
2005-07-29 12:27:03 PM  
Father was an Eagle Scout, brother ias and Eagle Scout and I was an Eagle Scout (note the WAS, dad is dead, I've disowned the Scouts). First we have the darwination of the 4 from Alaska for attempting and failing to erect a tent under a power line resulting in their burnitation; then we have the pres leaving the lads out to fry in the sun while he disses them, but the really great kicker is to see all the ridiculously fat scoutmasters leading their trains of very fat little scouts around DC's landmarks. Baden-Powell was quite clear that a scout should first be physically fit, and third be morally straigt. I take the time to stop and remind all the fat scoutmasters that they are a disgrace to the scouts - it's really fun to hear the little snickers of the troupers. Today's Fredericksburg Freelance Star has a big article about Jewish scounts reaching 13 while at the Jamboree. What they don't mention is the numbers (very large) of synagogues that have banned the sponsorship of the scouts because of their intolerance towards homosexuals. The organization was the first to be co-opted by the Christian right wing. The BS is full of bs.
 
2005-07-29 12:29:41 PM  
Forget the scouts...stick with CAP
 
2005-07-29 12:31:28 PM  
<rant>

Anytime you get 40,000+ people (boy scouts or otherwise) together in the height of summer heat you will have problems with heat exhaustion. The BSA hosts these events at military bases most of the time - they're prepared to deal with events like this. Having gone camping in heat waves, I can say that I have succumbed to heat exhaustion once or twice, but only because of momentary lapses of reason on my part. A lot of these kids are young, rebellious, and don't pay any attention to the safety training that the BSA provides. It's easy to stay cool in the heat as long as you know what you are doing.

Oh, and it's a damn shame about what happened to those leaders the other day. However, common sense usually dictates that you shouldn't set up your tent directly underneath low-hanging power lines.

</rant>
 
2005-07-29 12:31:59 PM  
My cousin is at this event, I hope he isn't scarred for life after seeing the scout leaders burn to death. And shame on dubya for making these kids wait in the heat for his dumbass to show up.
 
2005-07-29 12:34:41 PM  
lohphat: Today Baden-Powell would have made the top ten on a Sex Offenders Registry list.

Then again, the person responsible for creating the "Youth Protection Guidelines" for the BSA pled guilty to possession of child pornography earlier this year.

BSA response to that? "Well it wasn't on his computer at work, so we're okay..."

Ewwww.

However, it is true that there are great leaders out there as well, and lot of kids who have a great experience.

/former Scout, former Scout Leader
/anti-atheist, anti-gay, and pedophile National Program Director hit my "moral trifecta" -- couldn't do it any more
 
2005-07-29 12:34:42 PM  
lohphat

That link is the first I'd ever heard anybody attribute Jeal's biography as claiming B-P as a 'pedophile'. Fascist, racist, anti-semite, and other labels have been applied to Baden-Powell based on Jeal's biography, but that's the only reference to being a pedophile. I find it suspicious that it plays the 'pedophile' label right next to the 'homosexual' label - that's usually a canard. Do you have any other references? The only other ones I can find on Google point to the same article you link to.

Baden-Powell would have been considered a dinosaur of the worst type today, but his words are pretty typical of British nobility at the turn of the century. Fortunately, the Scouts in America have more patronage attributed to leaders like 'Green Bar' Bill Hillcourt than guys like Baden-Powell.
 
2005-07-29 12:36:14 PM  
"Be Prepared." Except for electricity around power lines. And heat in the summer.
 
2005-07-29 12:36:26 PM  
I'm not sure what the Scouts are like now but when I did it long ago, it was an excellent experience. We could hike in to a site five mile and live for a week with nothing but what was on our backs. I suspect they've been infiltrated by the broader pussification trend that makes kids these days piss and moan when they don't have their AC and game boy. We actually (shudder) managed to ride out bikes without helmets and elbow pads.
 
2005-07-29 12:38:33 PM  
Clavis
I would be very surprised if Bush didn't cripple himself while giving a whittling demonstration.


He might cut that thumb/finger thing that he always shows the media.
 
2005-07-29 12:38:55 PM  
So, what part of "God doesn't like your organization" did they not understand?
 
2005-07-29 12:39:55 PM  
I agree that 300 scouts is a pretty reasonable number to expect. I know firsthand (twice) that it's bloody hot at Fort AP Hill during the summer and there's a LOT of walking involved to get around. The kids would have to carry gallons of water if they wanted to stay properly hydrated.

//National Jamboree in 1993 and 1997
//Eagle Scout, 1999
 
2005-07-29 12:41:08 PM  
jimsmuse

It's too bad you gave up on the Scouts - their potential to do good is being thwarted by a reactionary conservative element with a death grip on the upper leadership functions. Have you ever considered working with (or even joining) a group like Scouting For All and working to affect change from within the system? The problem with the Boy Scouts will never be solved from outside pressure, but only from change on the inside.

/okay, off the soapbox, junior...
 
2005-07-29 12:42:02 PM  
What? No heat exhaustion badges at the Jamboree? This is the most unprepared group of future do-gooder thugs I've seen.
 
2005-07-29 12:44:05 PM  
Heh...consider this, Major Thomb - the kind of Scouts that can strap sixty pounds on their backs and go spend a glorious week or two in the wilderness are precisely *not* the kind of Scouts that would want to tramp around in full class-A's in Virginia in the middle of the damn summer.

Those Scouts still exist, but I doubt they're at the Jamboree.
 
2005-07-29 12:44:53 PM  
I've been with huge crowds of people at Burning Man and many rainbow gatherings in unbelievable heat and we were not given an army base and $8 million by the defence department and there have not been large numbers of people succumbing to heat exhaustion. I wonder why that is?
 
2005-07-29 12:46:52 PM  
OH MY GOD MICHAEL JACKSON MOLESTATION JOKES ARE SO FUNNY
 
2005-07-29 12:47:40 PM  
znfinger
So, what part of "God doesn't like your organization" did they not understand?

Thats the same question we should ask the Catholic church.
 
2005-07-29 12:47:49 PM  
Vorticity the Monkey:

It's too bad you gave up on the Scouts - their potential to do good is being thwarted by a reactionary conservative element with a death grip on the upper leadership functions

I agree...but they gave up on me, once they found out I was a gay atheist. Yes, that is true and not just me being an AW.

Have you ever considered working with (or even joining) a group like Scouting For All and working to affect change from within the system?

I know about Scouting for All, and still support that group 100%, even though I am apparently not good enough for the BSA. I'd love for the climate of the organization to change so that I could be a part of something I actually believed in.

I ran a Day Camp for 100+ cub scouts for five years without a complaint or an injury, that the kids absolutely loved, and which meant a lot to me. I still have parents stop me on the street and ask me why I don't do that anymore. I like to think I'm doing the honorable thing by avoiding telling those parents the bald truth, and just explaining that I just don't have the time to devote to it any more.
 
2005-07-29 12:50:54 PM  
Google for "Baden-Powell pedophile": many hits.
 
2005-07-29 12:59:24 PM  
Thought I'd break out the Boy Scout quote-o-matic for ya, jimsmuse:

I know about Scouting for All, and still support that group 100%, even though I am apparently not good enough for the BSA.

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
--Eleanor Roosevelt

I'd love for the climate of the organization to change so that I could be a part of something I actually believed in.

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world."
--The Mahatma Gandhi

You obviously have had a positive affect on the Scouts you've had the honor of instructing - the parents you meet on the street tell you that much. And clearly, you enjoyed helping those Scouts out. Why not get back in the fight, and help not just Scouts again, but Scouting in general? The BSA needs more people with a dedication to living, not just preaching, the Scout Law. I'd be honored to work with you in a troop, as I suspect others would be, because the Scouts need more people like you in it.

With enough help, we can change the Scouts into a powerful force for good - no other youth organization I know of has such a powerful message for environmental stewardship. Wouldn't it be great if we could make that into a force for stewardship for our fellow human as well?
 
2005-07-29 01:03:59 PM  
Yeah, lohphat, try clicking on them: they're all the same damn article by Michael Bronski, or rants by people bashing the Scouts in general without proffering any evidence that B-P was, in fact, a pedophile.

I'll ask again - do you have other sources than the Bronski article, or are you perhaps just repeating an urban legend cooked up by people intent on doing a smear job?

Baden-Powell was most decidedly not the nicest guy in the world, but saying he was a pedophile because some guy on the internet said so is just being stupid.
 
2005-07-29 01:07:35 PM  
Vorticity the Monkey: "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."

The issue is that according to BSA rules, I am not qualified to be a member of their organization. One of the reasons for the break was that THEY implied I was inferior. Now that I am not a member of a club that wouldn't have me if I told the truth, I feel like much less of a hypocrite.

Strangely, the anti-atheist thing bothered me a thousand times more than the anti-gay thing -- probably because I was in a position to have to join in activities which contradicted my own beliefs. (As opposed to the gay thing, since obviously my orientation is not a factor with the kids.)

So I see your Eleanor Roosevelt and raise you a Shakespeare, "To thine own self be true."

I've chosen to support Scouting for All, because I think there is enough good in the BSA it shouldn't be scrapped completely, just more inclusive.

But I cannot, in good conscience, go against my beliefs any more than I would wish someone else to go against his or her own beliefs.

In other words, when the organization changes to the point that I am "qualified" to be a part of it, I will consider re-joining.
 
2005-07-29 01:07:40 PM  
Anyone else see any irony in a bunch of scout masters being called home for pitching a tent at the boy scout jamboree?
 
2005-07-29 01:08:40 PM  
At least those Scoutmasters died doing what they loved--having 30,000 volts passed through theie bodies.

I'm going to hell.
 
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