The Beer Drinker's Bill of Rights (written by Samuel Adams Brewers):

We the Brewers of Samuel Adams, in order to create the perfect beer, declare the following truths to be self-evident:

I. All beer drinkers are guaranteed a right to enjoy the highest quality beer.

II. Beer shall be brewed employing only the four classic beer ingredients; water, yeast, malt and hops.

III. Use of adjuncts such as corn syrup, rice or corn grits is strictly prohibited as it lightens the true character of a fine brew.

IV. Beer shall be brewed over a length of time to maximize flavor, not a shorter time to maximize production.

V. The color of the bottle is essential to the quality of the beer; hence, bottling shall occur only in brown bottles to safeguard the beer from the damaging effects of light. No skunky beer.

VI. Beer shall be offered in bottles, not cans, so that no brew is jeopardized with the taste of metal.

VII. Beer shall be savored and enjoyed responsibly.

VIII. Beer shall be served at 35 (degrees) - 42 (degrees) F for maximum flavor.

IX. Light beers have equal right to flavor and body, as do all styles of beer.

X. Freshness of beer shall be considered of the utmost importance to all citizens.

J.G. Longbotham
And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't beer brewed in metal tuns?

Yes, stainless steel or copper vessels called "mash tuns, lauter tuns, and kettles."

And doesn't Keystone line its cans?

Everyone who uses cans used lined cans.

I loves me a Sam Adams (most varieties), Sam Smith (Oatmeal Stout is Awesome), Guinness, Belgian ales, or most anything in the beer family (although not a huge fan of fruit beers like the Sam Adams Cherry Wheat). But when it comes right down to it, my favorite beer is the one that you are handing me. As long as it's cold.

Just Ignorant:

Busch. hell yah.

So has anyone ever been to Sam Adams for a tour?

Where do they do their Brewing?

For all you non-Portland Farkers, I just have one thing to say:

"HA HA!"

Sorry, no "Ha ha" guy to post, plus I fear bannination. Today is the second day of the Oregon Brewer's Festival. Four days of sampling the goods of 80 different breweries. My plan is to head over there after work, try a number of them, then stumble home.

What's that? This thread's about cans versus bottles? Oh. Well...tap is my first choice, but bottles for when I must have it at home.

SO SAY WE ALL!

Beer, like women, come in all different kinds. This is by design so that we are not all fighting over the same one.

The best beer I ever drink is free.

Beer is best served directly from tap to mouth.

Screw your expensive crap.

/One Ice Cold Natty, Please

//Olympia comes next

///what is this slashing thing?

////You know you all drink Bud/Miller/Coors Light

While I don't normally drink the bland stuff, Guiness is better in the can due to the nitrogen widget. Boddingtons uses that also.

I prefer bottles because they insulate better and feel better in my hand.

Yesss..more beer rhetoric!

Not that Sam Adams is terrible or anything but..

Old Speckled Hen. Draught, of course when available but it does come in bottles. Cans, too, so I hear.

Last time I regularly drank beer from a can I was drinking Busch Light in high school. Since the tastebuds have progressed I prefer bottles. Although the Guiness & Bodingtons can's are very acceptable. Must be the widget.

Boston?, Buzzard's Bay? Both are good, but give me some nice fresh Central MA beer anyday baby!


Made about 10 miles from where I live, and only sold in MA.

I'm leaving in 5 minutes for the local pub.

I think I'll have me something expensive. I like paying $5 a beer, because it makes me look like I know what I'm doing.

/will be ordering Miller Lite for $2 a glass
//knows good beer
///total cheapskate
////drinks Natural Light at home
/////drinks Natural Ice for a real piss-up.

Comic Book Guy: McSorley's Old Ale House. End of thread.

Great call. McSorley's is my mecca.

They should have 11

XI. Beer brewing should never be contracted out to the lowest bidder, id shouldn't be brewed by others who may not share the Brew Masters Passion.

But then Sam wouldn't have beer to sell.

heineken is the worst of all the mass produced beers. if i really wanted a heineken, i'd crack open a can of coors original and leave it on the radiator for a few days.

i don't drink for the 'wonderful flavors' of beer, i drink to get faced.

/steel reserve
//cisco if you're crazy

SoulAssassin: VIII. Beer shall be served at 35 (degrees) - 42 (degrees) F for maximum flavor.

That... is a LIE.

Unavailable for comment:

its sam jackson or nothin

mediaho:

Due to legal restrictions, Samuel Adams Utopias can not be sold in the states of Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, South Carolina, Washington, and West Virginia.

That's crap. I live in Portland, OR and I see Sam Adams in stores all the time. I don't think places are going to stock it if they can't sell it.

Gelgian beer out of a glass. Preferably Duvel, Orbier, or Orval. Although I can think of several others.

I'll stick with my Budweiser.
/St. Louis born and raised.

Guinness and Modelo Especial are both better in cans.

/didn't RTFA
//didn't read thread either

there's a coating on beercans, and it's not just the outside.

take a can of beer, bud or mich, sand off the paint, then split it down the middle with a life (or your hands by constantly bending the crease)

put it on a clean burner, and after about 10 seconds you'll see a faint burn a second before the aluminum starts to oxidize.

just sayin.

alienated: That... is a LIE.

Agreed. Beer should be cold, but not icy. Icy beer numbs the tongue and kills the flavor of the beer.

I'm with J. G. Longbotham...
Best ...
Beer label...
evar....

can't deal with all the Sam Adams hating here... it's tasty beer. It'll get you drunk!

er knife.

Gelgian! I meant Belgian.

Man, dig the varying levels of beer snobbery here. From those who drink low-end, to those who sniff at Sam Adams for being too large and corporate. I fall in the middle, I drink a lot of Sammy, and do enjoy it, though I do realize there are better beers out there. I generally avoid mainstream "canoe" beer, but when I do drink it, I find PBR to be underrated.

Oh, and draft Guinness is a gift from the heavens, but not an everyday beer.

How can you have a favorite beer? They're all so wonderful. I don't care if its a macro-lager or an imperial stout, it's all good to me. (except fruit beers, blech)

good beer can come in a can, under the right circumstaces:

http://www.sherwoodbrewers.com/the_can.php

HELL YEAH, biatchES!


uh, guys? err . . . where'd you go?

Easy Reader:

Belgian beer out of a glass. Preferably Duvel, Orbier, or Orval. Although I can think of several others.

I'm not a huge Belgian hop fan, personally. Belgian beers all have the same underlying hop taste, and while I find them pallateable, I don't like drinking them too often.

Cascade hops or nothing at all! 'Course, I also live in Oregon, so I'm biased.

Aww, I like my Great Lakes Brewery. Not the best, but the best around here. I grew attached to the honeybrown Lager, but love a good English Pale Ale. Redefined smooth. HELL YES, beer-like beer please, no fruit!

Hender

That would be the Samuel Adams Utopias only.

You can get the regular stuff.

The Beer Drinker's Bill of Rights (written by Samuel Adams Brewers):

We the Brewers of Samuel Adams, in order to create the perfect beer, declare the following truths to be self-evident:

This is gonna be fun.

I. All beer drinkers are guaranteed a right to enjoy the highest quality beer.

Good start...but then...


II. Beer shall be brewed employing only the four classic beer ingredients; water, yeast, malt and hops.


The entire world is not under the restriction of German law, and all beer is not German lager. To assume that these are global truths is arrogant.


III. Use of adjuncts such as corn syrup, rice or corn grits is strictly prohibited as it lightens the true character of a fine brew.


Those adjuncts, yes, are just for alcohol and not flavor. There are many other adjuncts, however, which make for excellent beer.

IV. Beer shall be brewed over a length of time to maximize flavor, not a shorter time to maximize production.

I can't disagree with "it takes as long as it takes", if that's what this means.


V. The color of the bottle is essential to the quality of the beer; hence, bottling shall occur only in brown bottles to safeguard the beer from the damaging effects of light. No skunky beer.

An oversimplification. The photochemical reaction between light and substances in the beer are, in fact, what causes skunky flavor. However, color of the glass isn't the only factor; you can have excellent beer in clear bottles if they're not exposed to sunlight, for instance. Brown helps but isn't a cure-all either.


VI. Beer shall be offered in bottles, not cans, so that no brew is jeopardized with the taste of metal.

Pure marketing bullshiat. Even back in the mid 1930s, "keglined" sealants kept the beer away from the metal.


VII. Beer shall be savored and enjoyed responsibly.

VIII. Beer shall be served at 35 (degrees) - 42 (degrees) F for maximum flavor.


Again, he's assuming that all beer is lager. Belgian and English ales, for instance, do well at much warmer temperature - mid 50s are a reasonable starting point.
Below that temperature the flavors (aromatics) aren't evident. Even Miller Lite tastes tolerable if you drink it cold enough.

IX. Light beers have equal right to flavor and body, as do all styles of beer.


By definition, Light beer _can't_ have the body and flavor of a real beer. They're for people who don't like the taste of beer but like to pee a lot. I've had Sam Adams Light, and it's crap...not as bad as Miller Light, but I'd rather drink water.


X. Freshness of beer shall be considered of the utmost importance to all citizens.

Completely and utterly wrong. Some of the best beers in the world improve dramatically with age. www.ratebeer.com has a listing of the top 50 beers in the world, as reviewed by beer enthusiasts. I don't think SA does very well on the list.

So, it's marketing crap, and about 3/4ths bullshiat. From a guy who won't let other breweries have the word "boston" in their names.

Nobody's mentioned this yet?



For shame!

Abbadaba:

How can you have a favorite beer? They're all so wonderful. I don't care if its a macro-lager or an imperial stout, it's all good to me. (except fruit beers, blech)

They're not all wonderful. The larger a brewery gets, the worse its beer tends to be. See examples: Budweiser, Miller, Coors. Some beer is just bad to start with, no matter how big the brewery is. See example: Corona.

Now, that being said, I fully agree with you. I don't have a favorite beer in that it's what I'll always choose ahead of all others, and I find myself trying new beers all the time I don't have the time to have a favorite. Off the top of my head, though, my top five beers of all time, in no particular order:

1. Newcastle Brown
2. Bass
3. Bridgeport IPA
4. Widmer Hefeweizen
5. Arrogant Bastard (or Double Bastard)

There ae so many other fantastic beers, though.

Off topic question here:

who is the fat f-u-ck that people keep posting in every thread???

Denise R Sharpe: Nobody's mentioned this yet?

Bah, I did one second later!

just clap your hands

Staged_Reaction_Shot: Old Speckled Hen.


I agree with you on that one. I enjoy that beer, but it is expensive where I am from. My personal favorite is Kilkenny, which is relatively cheap for an import, readily available at my favorite pubs, and tastes fantastic with or w/o a meal accompanying it. Of course, I don't get drunk off of it, as I bet it would be ugly.

They sell Sam Adam's in glass bottles at ball parks?

/plastic bottle OK?

Stone Brewery all the way. Those farkers out in sunny North County San Diego can make some really good beer.

Sam, Watchusett, Buzzard's bay... man massachusettes makes some damn fine brews. Ever seen the buzzard's bay brewery? it's a former barn converted to a brewery. I was on a cruise one day and my friend just casually pointed it out when we drove past it. 10 minutes from UMASS dartmouth and i never knew about it. hooray beer!

Anyone that lives in the states and likes foreign beer is a shmuck, that beer is made NOT to be pasturized so it tastes like shiat when they have to pasturize it for sale in the states.