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(Some MegaBoom)   What to do if a nuclear attack is imminent. Well, besides void your bowels   ( divider line
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2005-07-23 04:14:50 PM  
They forgot to mention magnets. As Ray Brantley of The Survival Shack says, "Magnets repel nucular radiation." Read more.
2005-07-23 04:18:11 PM  
If you live way out in the sticks of East Podunk, you have no cause for alarm. If you live in or near a major city that will be a target, duck and cover so you can kiss your ass goodbye.
2005-07-23 04:30:22 PM  
Get out of the Vault and fix that water purifier, soldier!

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2005-07-23 04:44:23 PM  
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2005-07-23 05:31:38 PM  
I personally wouldn't believe much this article has to say, their radioactive symbol is upside-down. Like for heaven's sake get the basics right or don't pretend to know what you are talking about.
2005-07-23 05:34:12 PM  
Did any of you RTFA? I found it very enlightening. It covers most of your problems, namely that you can survive not to far from the epicenter via the same means you avoid tornadoes w/. Ditches or hardened buildings, which will stop the wind from tossing your arse into the nearest pointy thing, and also provide shadow to prevent your face from melting off completely.

Most of the article deals with the fallout, which they seem to think is the most dangerous part, and I tend to agree with them.
2005-07-23 05:42:51 PM  
The species man has an inherent propensity amongst its population to commit evil.

Left to his own, man would have absulutely used nuclear weapons in anger within the last sixty years.

The fact that man has not used nuclear weapons in anger in the last sixty years is undisputeable proof of intervention by either God or extraterrestials.
For the past half century, aliens have constantly monitored all fissionable nuclear material anywhere on the planet.

This supervision has enabled intervention that has thwarted dozens of nuclear incidents ranging from dirty-bomb terrorist attacks to global doomsday.

Unfortunately, low tech WMD attacks are more difficult to forsee and nullify. WTC is one example, as by the time they figure it out, the three urban area planes could not be serrupticiously intercepted. Only the rural Pennsylvania plane could be stopped.

BTW, those contrails are aerosolized bio-WMD vaccines, courtesy extra-terrestial medicine.
2005-07-23 05:45:51 PM  
The best advice for a full fledge nuclear conflict is to get out of the city the moment the news breaks. As in, get on the interstate NOW, floor it, and hope you have some crackpot in the sticks who stockpiles stuff in the basement that you can stay with.

Most people in America would not survive an all-out nuclear conflict. Those that did survive the attack and the fallout would need to contend with the food shortages, lack of order, and probable military invasion. Myself, I'd probably just resign to die.

BTW, you'd be surprised how many targets are on the list. :) You have to live pretty far away from civilization to not see a fireball or two in the night sky. And God help you if you live in Western Nebraska or Eastern Colorado/Wyoming.
2005-07-23 06:02:47 PM  
The War Game, 1965

A documentary.

Watch this movie, which was originally made as a documentary for the british John Q public. They didn't release it because of the wide spread panic that they figured would ensue. It's a remarkable documentary.

What you will come away with after seeing it is somely this:

If you are close enough to see the bomb and feel it go off, you're likely ging to immediately go blind and your body is going to start decaying.

If you're farther out and didn't manage to get blinded by accadentally looking in the direction of the blast (the tape mentiones your eyes melting... actually, arround a 10+ mile radious I think) then you have to worry about the ensuing fire storm. The fire storm will basically consume everything arround it, create a vortex of wind as it eats all the oxygen arround, and everyone near it will suffocate to death because the oxygen is replaced with various poisionous gas bi-products of the intense burn. This is essentailly like a jacked up hurricane on sterroids.

Further out people will become affected by the nuclear fallout. They won't be affected right away, and the degredation of their bodies will be slow and painful. Hospitals will be out of morphine to administer to the terminal people who will essentially be lying in their own body waste and unstoppable pain. It's likely at first they will try to give the terminal patients a comfortable death.
Soon the medical supplies will give out and local police or citizens will be charged with their euthenasia via a gunshot to the head.

The bodies will be so great that they'll have to be centralised and burned in warehouses. Again this is likely to be done by some remaining police or military force. Much of this leadership will have to be autonomous and will not be connected to a main command structure because the nuclear attack's EMP will have fried much of the communication structure.

Water and food will be scarce if not completely gone in the general area due to paniced (and warranted) looting. Any above ground water is likely to be radioactive if not immediately within the general 20 mile radious of the bomb, then in a much greater radious as the fallout spreads.

The public, feeling paniced and unwilling to concede to martial law and leadership will likely revolt in pockets. To assert their authority there will be many people killed for rioting and not following orders, or for attacking the police/military outright.

Psychological problems will abound. Many people will simply stop responding to outside stimuli, going catatonic to the world arround them as they are no longer able to cope with the reality that they are living in. Still others will become psychotic and delusional. it is more likely that these people will be a danger to themselves than anyone arround them. There will be no infrastructure to deal with these psychological casualties as few doctors and counselors will be available in any capacity with regards to the population affected.

The final result was it would be better to have been in the initial blast killing radious since you would literally not feel a thing since you would be immediately vaporized by the blast.

All this was a scenario using multiple warheads at 1 megaton. Today there are nukes, as far as I know, upwards of 250 megatons.

Any state hit with even a small nuclear weapon will be catastrophically affected. That will move down the chain of events to affect the national economy and infrastructure. Any agricultural state hit would have large impacts on food, obviously. Ecconomic states like NY and Washington would create a huge ecconomic deficit to GDP.

So no, it's not all about duck and cover, or fill up as much water as possible. If your near enough to survive the blast and see the mushroom cloud... either kill yourself or find a way to travel away from it as fast as possible.

Me, I think I'd prooly just lock, load, and kiss the toad goodbye.
2005-07-23 06:16:51 PM  

"The Day After" was deliberately left off of the list. I consider that to be more of a whitewash than frightening. "Threads" covers the same territory as the day after, and does it much more honestly.
2005-07-23 06:39:36 PM  
I am staying in Florida. After the opposing forces take over they will want to vacation in Florida. Us surviving Floridians can provide food and tours for the officers on leave down here. Once we gain their trust, we can start poisioning their food, and killing them in other ways. Eventually we will kill them all, and the US will have been saved by the couragous force of Floridians. Please do not leak this plan or post it on the internet.
2005-07-23 07:00:28 PM  
2005-07-23 03:47:07 PM Cloudchaser_the_red_wolf_furry

This was a government propaganda film showed to school students to calm fear of the BOMB. If you see a flash, you wouldn't have a chance anyway, but it's to give people a sense of if we follow the rules don't panic we will be fine.
2005-07-23 07:13:59 PM  
The largest nuclear weapon ever tested was 50MT.

100MT weapons are possible but not considered to be practical.

Typical weapons available today are in the 0.3KT to 170KT range. A "Hiroshima type" weapon would be about 13KT.

There is a bomb calculator here (maintained by John Walker, founder of AutoCAD). Some of the text from that site is:
Anyway, when some champion of human liberty in a Che Guevara T-shirt and Mao jacket was haranguing his audience with claims like "A single Hiroshima bomb set off downtown would annihilate this university and all of us in the blink of an eye", what better way to burnish one's Strangelovian credentials than to whip out a handy-dandy nuclear bomb computer slide rule, whip--slip--slide, and interrupt, "Naaah . . . fifteen kilotons at five miles? Surface burst? Why, that's only a quarter to a third of a pound per square inch overpressure--it'll probably break some window glass but that's about it." Flipping the slide rule over, "The flash isn't even enough to cause sunburn, and the immediate radiation is next to nothing." For some unfathomable reason, this never seemed to either carry the argument or suitably impress chicks.
Based on calculations from diagrams in The Effects of Nuclear Weapons a 25MT weapon will break windows at 25 miles, a 50MT weapon will break windows at 57 miles, and a 100MT weapon will break windows at 75 miles.

While none of that is good, I think one should opt for trying to survive if you live more than 20 miles from the anticipated ground zero and if you have a little warning.
2005-07-23 07:17:37 PM  
"The Effects of Nuclear Weapons" is available here.
2005-07-23 07:39:11 PM  
Holy Cow, keylime, I still have that in hardcover from when I was younger. A FEMA director gave it to me. Creepy book... in that "dispassionate science involving the mechanics of the end of the world is creepy" kind of way.
2005-07-23 07:48:25 PM  

It's definitely "dispassionate" but I found it somewhat reassuring in that, it does seems to factually detail what the "safe" distance is for the sort of nuclear weapon a terrorist is likely to be able to use.

As a result, most of us shouldn't spend a lot of time worrying about it as we live more than 20 miles from what I would guess are likely targets (DC, NYC, Chicago, LA, SF, etc.)

To me, a far greater concern would be a variation of the "Tylenol Scare" of a few years back but increased in scope by many orders of magnitude. By tampering at the right point in distribution, the attack could cover many cities.
2005-07-23 07:51:27 PM  
Thanks for the update on megaton feasabiltiy.
2005-07-23 07:54:16 PM  
drink lots and lots of water so that in a direct hit you make a nice loud bang... or in one far enough away to survive you can be the first to whip out and drain in public.

It's a brave new world.
2005-07-23 07:58:34 PM  
Does anyone know where I can find some information on the long-term effects of radiation fallout?

(Such as radiation being spread into groundwater through rain, etc.)
2005-07-23 08:07:17 PM  

If you are close enough to see the bomb and feel it go off, you're likely ging to immediately go blind and your body is going to start decaying. A Japanese sized nuclear explosion from 5 miles away would cause some light radiation sickness and eye damage.

If you're farther out and didn't manage to get blinded by accadentally looking in the direction of the blast (the tape mentiones your eyes melting... actually, arround a 10+ mile radious I think) Eyes melting happens in extreme heat, with again, something in the 20 KT range would only be 2-3 miles, and require a direct line of sight with the explosion

All this was a scenario using multiple warheads at 1 megaton. Today there are nukes, as far as I know, upwards of 250 megatons.

As has been covered, warheads are impractical after 25MT, since they are so powerful, most of the energy will go into the atmosphere, and outer space.

Stratigic treaties with Russia do not allow either country to have a bomb or missle to carry more than 3 MT for a single warhead, 500KT for multiple warheads for up to 5 MT max in a single delivery device. Now people may say that both would not actually do this, but it is stipulated in the treaty and has been enforced in the past.

The war game, in my opinion was a scare peice by some in the BBC and English government to ban the bomb, and many of the people involved behind the movie were members or took lots of input from the CND way before the movie. Nuclear war would be terrible, but in some ways, the anti-nuclear folks spread lies as bad as the "duck and cover" folks.
2005-07-23 08:23:16 PM  
1.- That we know of.
2.- This is true, but 1MT destroys a radius of 10 miles, a 20MT destroys a radius of 25 miles. 300 kt polishes off 5 miles clean. This is why smaller is better, and MIRVs came to play.
3. The "true" calculator is still under wraps with the military. Neutron bomb still being constantly re-developed. I have a relative in AZ (New base?) working on these projects.

Our aresenal has yields greater than released to the public. Suprised?
2005-07-23 08:56:20 PM  
I went to high school near Detroit back when we still feared that the Commies would atack at any time. My goverment teacher taught us that if a toe-to-toe showdown with the Ruskies was happening, the best thing to do is...
1) put some jiffy-pop popcorn (still around?) on the stove (what's a microwave?)
2) go grab your lawn chairs & a ladder
3) take the jiffy-pop & the lawn chairs to the roof
4) face Dearborn (he said the Ford plants were the target - I guess the Russians knew that Colman Young would destroy Detroit)
5) eat the jiffy-pop & enjoy the show.
2005-07-23 09:09:02 PM  
If there was a nuclear attack, I would stand right in front of the radiation wave, who knows I could become the hulk or the thing.

What do you think my chances are for becoming super human?
2005-07-23 10:14:24 PM  
>> Re: Third Tier targets like Paducah, KY...

Umm...Paducah has one of the world's largest Uranium enrichment plants. I'd say it's rather high on the list...
2005-07-23 10:37:12 PM  
because uranium is needed after the bombs start to fly...
=P i don't see why anyone bothers with targets, if we're assuming countries are launching nukes we're pretty screwed because that country KNOWS that if they don't absolutely obliterate the entire country at once (and our undersea nuke subs..unlikely..) then we are retaliating in an extremely lopsided fasion. MAD is the highest form of terrorism >< fortunatly people tend to actually be afraid of everyone they know, and all of thier friends, and thier friends dieing.
2005-07-23 11:27:18 PM  
I'd rather go play in the "snow" than read all that.
2005-07-23 11:28:06 PM  

Yes, we read the article. It was the same old tunnel-visioned claptrap that limits it's scope to immediately bomb-related effects, and completely leaves out human and infrastructural considerations.

Nuclear war is not survivable. Repeat as necessary.
2005-07-23 11:31:08 PM  
My friend's mom has a stock full of "terrorist attack food."

Formerly known as "Y2K food."

Formerly "Nuclear power plant mealtdown food."

Formerly "Soviet nuclear attack food."

Possibly "Nazi invasion food" at one time.

/Seriously, this woman wanted to burn her mail during the anthrax scare after 9/11.

//Not 100% relevant, but she's actually very liberal.
2005-07-24 12:57:31 AM  

So is it your position that if there was a nuclear war then the human race would be extinct?
2005-07-24 01:41:29 AM  
This guy spoke on George Noory Coast to Coast (Art Bell show). I listen to this show because the callers are so funny. The latest has been Paul Williams, ex FBI guy, but actually a theologian, doomsayer who writes books about Mexican gangs helping Al Quada bring nukes over the border. The guy has no idea about how difficult it would be to maintain a Soviet, 30 year old nuke, let alone smuggle it and set it off.
There seem to be a distinct group of people who just love the idea of everything blowing up, so that they can sit in a basement and eat canned beans. The Noory clutists are entertaining, but let's be serious here. The Russians would have a hard time getting a nuke off the ground, let alone a bunch of cave dwelling terrorists with mental problems.
2005-07-24 01:54:23 AM  
All you need to stockpile is ammunition
with that you can get anything else you
need. Just a thought.
2005-07-24 02:14:23 AM  
Meh, any way you slice it, I'm gonna get blowed up.

/Lives in Oakland, CA
//Fark SF
///Just voided my bowels
////Damn curry
2005-07-24 03:05:33 AM  
"Special Bulletin" was much scarier than "The Day After." It was done in the style of a cable news channel covering terrorists who'd constructed a nuclear device on a boat in Charleston (?) harbor. Just when it looked like they averted a disaster, they messed up disarming the device. Kerblam.

About every ten minutes, they ran a disclaimer saying it wasn't real but it still attracted some calls from scared viewers. And this was long before the current state of fear that envelops the whole country, so they probably couldn't show it at all now.
2005-07-24 03:10:11 AM  
Mr Bach: The right wing website "World Net Daily" has been hammering this idea for a couple weeks now. They even managed to convince That goofball congressman Tancredo from Colorado to ask people at Homeland Security if this was accurate.
2005-07-24 04:08:53 AM  

No, actually, current warheads are way SMALLER than they used to be in the '60s. The reason is that we are now so much better at lobbing them precisely, than having them much bigger to offset the inaccuracy is no longer that necessary.

Current military yields are betwee 15 and 250kt, with a few remaining freak bombs in the megaton range (for the US and USS^WRussia). The other nuclear powers don't stockpile anything much beyond 150kt.
2005-07-24 11:20:05 AM  
Legless_Marine: Panic in the Year Zero! (1962)
2005-07-24 01:40:37 PM  

"h... eviscerate != "void your bowels"

Uh....Eviscerate means "to disembowel." I reckon that would clean you out pretty thoroughly, but the side effects include immediate death. Methinks the word you're looking for is "evacuate."

/meaning no offense
//Ciao y'all
2005-07-24 05:01:34 PM  
As member of the metropolitan Los Angeles community, I'd like to point out that San Diego is more militarily strategic, and deserves to be nuked first.

2005-07-24 06:26:50 PM  
You people who think that a shelter or food supply will save you are morans. A full scale nuclear war will eliminate all life on the planet (save those damn cockroaches) There is no way around this. You are better off being at ground zero so that your death is quick and painless.
2005-07-24 06:42:22 PM  
Dear Terrorists,

If you must bomb us, know that the CEO of Wal-Mart is vital to our way of life. It would devestate us if he was attacked. The same could be said about Ken Lay.
2005-07-24 08:35:07 PM  
Id say the first few to be hit would be: DC; Minot AFB, ND; Grand Forks, ND; FE Warren AFB, WY; and then port and air defense bases. I was stationed as a MMTer in Minot (worked on minuteman missiles) in ND. Most miserable place in the universe. All the bases listed are nuke bases except, of course DC. First thing that would be done though would be several high altitude air blasts to knock out communication systems.
2005-07-24 10:33:22 PM  

Subtitute 'Time Travelers' for 'Extraterrestrals' and I agree.

Bad as things are, they've been working out.

Hitler completely mis-micro-managed WWII.

Jets used as bombers? Railroad transportation of Jews a higher priority than transporting munitions?

Stalin in charge of the Soviet Union?
(Same song... different lyrics.)

So.... with the actions of the terrorists backfiring so badly they blame their enemies for doing them (9/11) I'd say we're in for a bumpy ride, but things will work out.

(OK.... maybe they won't work out for ME, but in general.)
2005-07-24 11:51:40 PM  
Biggie Thang:

I know exactly when the nukes will hit us..
/ About 5 minutes after I see all my powerball numbers come up..
//Isn't that Ironic

No, ironic would be your powerball numbers being the same as the launch codes.
2005-08-05 11:19:58 PM  
So basically most of you geniuses would stand around debating terrorism vs war and making stupid jokes till you died. Darwin awards all around!
A little knowledge and preperation. can save your life. Better read up.
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