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2005-07-21 04:43:59 PM  
oh, mr.godwin, go away. you always ruin our fun.
 
2005-07-21 04:44:12 PM  
brandoj, You never answered my question. Would you rather be shot in the heart, or cooked in an oven? You seem to be missing the point that death by heatstroke is much more uncomfortable than sudden loss of oxygen to the brain. You also seem to be indicating that it is ok to torture an animal because it is not human. Please clarify this, because you are comming off as an offly large ass. If you do truely feel that it is acceptable to cause a living organism an undue amont of suffering, then by all means, please surrender members of your family to my laboratory. They are animals after all.
 
2005-07-21 04:44:15 PM  
alistairenix

So true. Close the thread down. It's been hit with the Godwin Stick.
 
2005-07-21 04:44:42 PM  
From the looks of this thread, I'd say that Tommy Moo is a master of bringing out the worst in other people.

/not sure if that's a compliment or an insult
 
2005-07-21 04:44:54 PM  
alistairenix:

A7r3ides
So according to your argument, Hitler's life was worth more than a retarded man.

Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Godwin has arrived!



I don't think that that falls into Godwin territory. He's not comparing hitler to anyone, just using him as an extreme example of an intelligent person who may have less of a right to live than a less intelligent person.

I see that you haven't answered the question though.
 
2005-07-21 04:47:00 PM  
Ya know, I may need to rethink this-

Me: up at 7:00, work at 8:00
Dog: Sleeps 'til naptime

Me: Buys food for dog
Dog: Eats free

Me: Bangs biatch next door= divorce
Dog: Bangs Biatch next door = FREE PUPPIES!

Me: Needs hand, or wife
Dog: Can reach the giblets with tongue, no prob.

Me: Daily bath
Dog: Weekly bath

Me: Piss outside= Jail/Ticket
Dog: Piss outside = GOOD DOGGIE!

Me: Hump piano teacher leg = no more piano lessons
Dog: Hump pianop teachers leg= "He really like s you!"

Standardo del Doble!!
 
2005-07-21 04:47:03 PM  
According to the Urban Dictionary:

Godwin's Law
A term that originated on Usenet, Godwin's Law states that as an online argument grows longer and more heated, it becomes increasingly likely that somebody will bring up Adolf Hitler or the Nazis. When such an event occurs, the person guilty of invoking Godwin's Law has effectively forfieted the argument.
 
2005-07-21 04:47:17 PM  
ScubaDoo

I love the Ha Ha guy. He makes me laugh everytime, because in my head he has the greatest voice.

/About to leave work
//Makes me a little crazy
 
2005-07-21 04:47:19 PM  
johnpseudo
Don't lecture me on semantics... or call me ignorant/religious.

Congrats for not being religious, but I still think it's morally ignorant to say that humans are >>>> animals. I mean, really... A dog should be allowed to suffer a torturous death because he's dumber than you?
 
2005-07-21 04:47:45 PM  
i wish all but Seeing Eye digs could die a hot sweltering death. Goddamn barking things!
 
2005-07-21 04:48:31 PM  
So from now on, can we just give every living organism an amount of respect directly proportional to the number of actively networked neurons? That would make the whole animal abuse/abortion/right to live(schiavo) issues much easier.
 
2005-07-21 04:49:13 PM  
Wikkepedia:

Objections and counter-arguments:

One common objection to the invocation of Godwin's law is that sometimes using Hitler or the Nazis is a perfectly apt way of making a point. For instance, if one is debating the relative merits of a particular leader, and someone says something like, "He's a good leader, look at the way he's improved the economy", one could reply, "Just because he improved the economy doesn't make him a good leader. Even Hitler improved the economy." Some would view this as a perfectly acceptable comparison. One uses Hitler as a well-known example of an extreme case that requires no explanation to prove that a generalization is not universally true.
 
2005-07-21 04:49:13 PM  
smeegle: I wanna play
can I come?


Is Cincy too far to commute? Thursday's poker night at my place too.

GL danlpoon!

A local Fark poker game would be fun!
 
2005-07-21 04:49:19 PM  
Oh me jealous. Whats your favorite game? I like Low hole roll yer own or Texas Fold'em.
Do something none of the guys expect, throw them off then scoop a rama.


Lately we have been playing a lot of hold em because we've had 9. I guess we normally just play lots of Omaha. I love cards. With all the xbox and big screen and Trivial Pursuit I can still find a lot of fun in a card game.
 
2005-07-21 04:49:22 PM  
ohh and Tommy Moo you are an idiot, please don't breed one of you is too much as it is
 
2005-07-21 04:49:37 PM  
KingTree

Come , come...even a troll should have decent spelling.
 
2005-07-21 04:49:47 PM  
humans are >>>> animals.

Some horses cost millions of Dollars.
Some Thai children can be bought for a couple of Bhats.
 
2005-07-21 04:51:03 PM  
Why do people get so worked up about dogs? Someone runs over a raccoon or poisons a mouse and no one cares. But someone hurts a dog and mobs get together to discuss torturing them to death. IT'S A DOG! Get over it.
 
2005-07-21 04:51:09 PM  
Tailslide:

A clogged car radiator led to the heatstroke deaths of a police dog and a family pet and the severe injury of a bomb-sniffing canine, a force spokesman said Friday. The dog that survived the August 25 accident inside the Ford Crown Victoria police cruiser has made a steady recovery and was to go home to his master, Const. Darren Leggatt, on Friday, said Insp. Kevin Brookwell. "We're very optimistic Koko will be back to work -- a lot of time and effort was put into getting her to that level (of explosive-sniffing)," said Brookwell. Despite efforts by Leggatt to revive him with CPR, police canine Gino died. A test on the cruiser used by Leggatt when the accident occurred Sunday traced the fatal episode to a radiator clogged by grass seed, tree fluff, bugs and dandelions, said Brookwell. The obstructions cut off the supply of cooler air to the engine, which overheated.


Look, no real difference if you left your dog in your house in Arizona and the power went out due to city overloading...... dog can't exactly let himself out of situations, bad crap happens...
 
2005-07-21 04:51:28 PM  
A7r3ides

So according to your argument, Hitler's life was worth more than a retarded man.

Where to start. Well, first off you godwin'd yourself and this whole thread, so congrats. Yes, Hitler's life was worth more than a retarded mans. It could easily be argued that Hitlers existance is what made the world what it is today, and I like this world overall, so arguably the world is better off that he existed (and was eventually defeated), whereas the retarded guy just ate paste, which made no difference to the world except for a tiny difference to Elmers bottom line.

But this is a ridiculous line of arguing, it's like saying "the KKK has come out in favor of oxygen, you don't agree with the KKK do you!?" Using a specific egregious example doesn't invalidate an argument.

And just to be fair, by your line of reasoning Hitler and the retarded man are equally "priceless," do you still stand by that line of thought?
 
2005-07-21 04:52:13 PM  
GL danlpoon!

A local Fark poker game would be fun!


Yes, except so many farkers are also online poker sharks. Fark on one tab, Paradise Poker on the other, all day long.

The amount of knowledge a person has about a particular subject is inversely proportional to his or her tendency to make universal, authoritative statements about it.

The above describes me to a tee.
 
2005-07-21 04:52:24 PM  
2005-07-21 04:48:31 PM johnpseudo
So from now on, can we just give every living organism an amount of respect directly proportional to the number of actively networked neurons? That would make the whole animal abuse/abortion/right to live(schiavo) issues much easier.

Carl Sagan tweeks that idea a little in DRAGONS OF EDEN.
He rates intelligence as the ratio between brainmass over bodymass.
 
2005-07-21 04:53:06 PM  
just because you don't like what i typed doesn't mean i am a troll. just a bad speller
 
2005-07-21 04:53:07 PM  
Awww, c'mon JC, I can't answer a question that wasn't directed at me to begin with.

However, that question is inherently without merit. Technically, both have equal rights to live, however, Ol' Uncle Adolf is almost always going to come up on the short side of that stick due to his acts and the acts of those under his command (or Goebbels or Goering or Himmler's command for that matter).

Besides, are we talking Hitler pre-Most-Evilest-Man-Evar when he was just a frustrated vegetarian painter or during his tenure as Mr. Most-Evilest-Man-Evar? If it's just his "Damn! I cannot paint ze trees for ze life of me!" years, it's a coin toss. Once we hit the Beer Hall Putsch and the days of his hit single "Deutchland Uber Alles," I give the 'tard the bye and plug ol' Mr. Mustache for the good of mankind.

/am Jewish
//not a big fan of Mr. Hilter
///or his friend Ron Vibbentrop
 
2005-07-21 04:53:31 PM  
thumper666

The reason why you're wrong is called "implied companionship". It means that we have classes of domestic animals that we have bred to be our companions. When one of these animals is injured or killed through negligence or malice, it diminishes and insults the society that considers it a companion.

When you consider an animal a pet, there's a reciprocity between you and it, and by leaving it in your car you break that relationship, and the animal no longer belongs to you but to all of us. The state, acting as our representative, will take the animal away from you and incarcerate you for being such an inattentive twit.


I agree with paragraph #1, it is wrong to leave the dogs in a car like this, and it's insulting to kill that which is a human companion (as opposed to an animal you would kill while huntin). I take exception to paragraph #2, because you believe that the person deserves to go to jail because of their own negligence. I don't think you're prepared to argue that it was done purposefully (deduction suggests that an owner would not want to kill their own pets). If not, what interest does the government have in saving the life of your pet? You make an unfounded logical leap in assuming that a personal pet of mine has some value to society as a whole and therefore I should be incarcerated for injuring or killing it.

. . . the animal no longer belongs to you but to all of us. The state, acting as our representative, will take the animal away . . .

What? What kind of absurd logic is that? Wild or abandoned dogs are not wards of the state. Abused and neglected dogs are not collected for their own safety - most of them are eventually put down. Only recently have we seen a rise in adoptions for these kinds of animal victims, but that's out of the goodness of individual's hearts, not b/c the "government" ascribes any value or interest in keeping those animals alive, or even out of harm's way.
 
2005-07-21 04:55:28 PM  
I believe a nation's attitude towards animals is indicative of its moral fiber and general attitudes. I don't think it's a coincidence that we have so many aggressive dogs and so many aggressive children in the US. You know, since we have so many adults with rage problems.
 
2005-07-21 04:55:34 PM  
why doesn't PETA get all uppity about crap like this?

Ask them to, and I imagine they will. Perhaps it will even divert resources away from certain campaigns of theirs that are less sensible.
 
2005-07-21 04:56:52 PM  
A7r3ides How do you determine the worth of a life? By what standard?

Water displacement.

/just a suggestion.
 
2005-07-21 04:57:10 PM  
G'nite Farkers.

Try TF. Worth it.

Poon
 
2005-07-21 04:57:31 PM  
KingTree, no, your comment makes you a troll because it was obviously inflammatory and in a thread that is likely to have a lot of dog-lovers in it. come on, if you really don't care, why bother to post? "I don't have anything relevant to add, so I'll be an asshat! Whee!"
 
2005-07-21 04:57:32 PM  
Tommy Moo didn't say anything about killing dogs or abusing dogs. He just stated that But if I did, and I locked it in my car, it would sit there and die like a plant. He is acknowledging that this is a horrible thing, but he is just advocating the whole 'theft of a dog after breaking my window is stupid and I will sue you and win.'

He also gave an example if this same situation applied to a different circumstance. (i.e. What if I think you're all a bunch of murderers because 95% of you don't give blood to the Red Cross?) By the way, no one addressed that problem in lieu of joing the mob beating of Tommy Moo.

Here is another counter example: What if you leave your dog in the backyard? If I think that the dog is in danger do I now have the right to break your house windows or your fence to free your dog?

Tommy Moo even tried to quel your anger, stating that no one is an idiot. And yet you farkers still attacked him. Sham on you all for being asshats and not understanding what Tommy Moo was saying.

/ Hates it when people leave their pets in the car
// I mean what is the farking point of bringing your dog with you to the store, just to leave it out in the car?
/// Believes that people should be beaten for animal abuse
/V Also believes that the police should be waiting by the car while the store workers call the car owner over the intercom to go to their car
V If the person doesn't go out to their car within 5 minutes, windows gets shattered
V/ If the police ever catch the person, the asshat should be not only fined but imprisoned on a similar charge to shild abuse
V// maybe I should have just said all of this without slashies
V/// slashies slashies
 
2005-07-21 04:58:57 PM  
AHHH! Did someone just say that Hitler created the world as it is today and that is good? WTF? The guy just gave a little yelp of glee from the underworld for that!

Yeah, I know, you'd probably have at LEAST 15 MILLION MORE INDIVIDUALS walking around if it weren't for that asstard. And arguably we wouldn't have as many problems in the Mideast. What a beautiful world we live in, you're right. Thanks, Hitler!!!!!
 
2005-07-21 04:59:26 PM  
/Unless the dog is a pitbull and you happen to live in Denver, in which case we'll just call the police and have them murder the dog faster and more humanely.
 
2005-07-21 04:59:48 PM  
My border collie is smarter than your honor roll student.

/Got nothin'.
//I did see a PETA billboard once that said not to leave your aminals in a hot car.
 
2005-07-21 05:01:20 PM  
WayToBlue

I believe that life is the most valuable thing in the world. I don't think that life should be taken casually. Killing in order eat and survive is acceptable as long as it's done without intentionally causing more pain than necessary. I may think Hitler was a horrible human being, but I don't presume to judge the value of his life.
 
2005-07-21 05:02:02 PM  
BigTuna
Ok, great, throw little shards of glass all over the inside of the car for rover to eat.

The edges are still sharp.
 
2005-07-21 05:02:07 PM  
queezyweezel [TotalFark]

brandoj, You never answered my question. Would you rather be shot in the heart, or cooked in an oven? You seem to be missing the point that death by heatstroke is much more uncomfortable than sudden loss of oxygen to the brain.

Technically, lack of oxygen is euphoric, and being shot in the heart is immensely painful even if for a short period of time, but I digress as this is collateral to the point I'm trying to make. I will grant your point in the interest of moving on.

You also seem to be indicating that it is ok to torture an animal because it is not human. Please clarify this, because you are comming off as an offly large ass. If you do truely feel that it is acceptable to cause a living organism an undue amont of suffering, then by all means, please surrender members of your family to my laboratory. They are animals after all.

I thought I was pretty clear on where I stood. Killing an animal is wrong, torturing an animal is wrong, etc. etc. They are wrong because when I do them purposefully I am exhibiting behavior that indicates that I am willing to kill that which I recognize a personal affection for, simply because it gratifies me. This behavior is repulsive because it shows proclivities to be homicidal toward fellow humans. That is wrong, unconditionally, but more importantly it is criminal. Likewise, nobody would think I was a psycopath for going hunting and killing a deer because that animal is not "lovable" in the wild environment. Point being, that killing an animal is CRIMINAL because I exhibit a depraved heart - NOT because an animal's life equal value to a human's life.

I resent being called an ass, I don't think you took the time to digest my well though out opinion on this.
 
2005-07-21 05:02:20 PM  
everybody,
just take a deep breath...relax...imagine you are floating in the ocean surrounded by tiny seahorses.
 
2005-07-21 05:03:04 PM  
Sloth_DC

Sorry, but roaches and rights gotta die. They have no right to life.

That's why the exterminators use "pet safe" poisons. won't harm the dog/cat/hamster but decimates the insect population. Besides, roaches and many other home insects (ants, flies, silverfish etc) do considerable damage to property and your health.
 
2005-07-21 05:03:04 PM  
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2005-07-21 05:03:22 PM  
Janusdog
Yeah, I know, you'd probably have at LEAST 15 MILLION MORE INDIVIDUALS walking around if it weren't for that asstard.

But there wouldnt have been a post war baby boom,
so I think it breaks even.
 
2005-07-21 05:04:34 PM  
You shouldn't leave your cat in the car either, but for other reasons.
[image from ridiculopathy.com too old to be available]
/Tommy Moo, if you wanted to be hated so much, why didn't you just ask the President to nominate you to the Supreme Court?
 
2005-07-21 05:04:39 PM  
Veon Dombrowski, I think more of the incite was caused by the fact that he threatened to sue and possibly assult anyone that broke the window to save the dogs life.
 
2005-07-21 05:06:08 PM  
Janusdog

AHHH! Did someone just say that Hitler created the world as it is today and that is good? WTF? The guy just gave a little yelp of glee from the underworld for that!

Yeah, I know, you'd probably have at LEAST 15 MILLION MORE INDIVIDUALS walking around if it weren't for that asstard. And arguably we wouldn't have as many problems in the Mideast. What a beautiful world we live in, you're right. Thanks, Hitler!!!!!


You thanked Hitler!!

A shiny new quarter to whoever knows what that's from.

And for the record, no I didn't say hitler created the world today, but he certainly had a part in it. And yes, I do know that there would have been many more people alive if there had been no WW2, but that hardly means they would be alive now. To speculate what the world would be like now without such a world-changing event as WW2 is pointless, and if you don't think it could be worse than it is now then you are very naive.

Try not to get to distracted when someone godwins.
 
2005-07-21 05:06:13 PM  

Tommy Moo even tried to quel your anger, stating that no one is an idiot. And yet you farkers still attacked him. Sham on you all for being asshats and not understanding what Tommy Moo was saying.


I am sorry, but making idiotic statements and qualifing them by saying "by the way, no one is an idiot" will not CYA.

For example, I think you are a farking douche bag (not really, but go with me here), by the way, I am not an asshole and neither are you in fact no one is.

It is absurd to say "I am not an idiot and no one else is" based purely on the fact that we ALL know some people are in fact idiots. They may not know it, but we do.

They did understand what he was saying, and they responded appropriately.
 
2005-07-21 05:06:21 PM  
brandog:

I disagree--as have jurists as far back as 1887

Stephens v. State of MS:

...the enforcement or observance of laws, for the protection of dumb brutes from cruelty, are, in my judgment, among the best evidences of the justice and benevolence of men. Such statutes were not intended to interfere, and do not interfere, with the necessary discipline and government of such animals, or place any unreasonable restriction on their use or the enjoyment to be derived from their possession. The common law recognized no rights in such animals, and punished no cruelty to them, except in so far as it affected the rights of individuals to such property....

To disregard the rights and feelings of equals, is unjust and ungenerous, but to willfully or wantonly injure or oppress the weak and helpless, is mean and cowardly. Human beings have at least some means of protecting themselves against the inhumanity of man, - that inhumanity which makes countless thousands mourn, but dumb brutes have none. Cruelty to them manifests a vicious and degraded nature, and it tends inevitably to cruelty to men. Animals whose lives are devoted to our use and pleasure, and which are capable, perhaps of feeding as great physical pain or pleasure as which are capable, perhaps, of feeling as great physical pain or pleasure as ourselves, deserve, for these considerations alone, kindly treatment. The dominion of man over them, if not a moral trust, has a better significance than the development of malignant passions and cruel instincts. Often their beauty, gentleness, and fidelity suggest the reflection that it may have been one of the purposes of their creation and subordination to enlarge the sympathies and expand the better feelings of our race. But, however this may be, human beings should be kind and just to dumb brutes; if for no other reason than to learn how to be kind and just to each other.
 
2005-07-21 05:07:23 PM  
Oh no its Toonces and Billy Joel. That's just not cool.

/liked Toonces for somereason.
//still laugh at the Tooncinator one.
 
2005-07-21 05:08:11 PM  
WayToBlue

Indeed.
Without Hitler, Germany may have very well gone communist.
 
2005-07-21 05:08:34 PM  
rydub
I think there are a few situations in which I would let a dog die a tortured death. If somebody's health were at stake for instance: Say there was an instance where it was necessary for an animal to endure a great amount of pain in order to test the efficacy of a healthcare product. Or maybe for lesser reasons- if a lot of money was at stake. If it cost the government $5,000 per injection to put dogs down and there were no other way, I would endorse the idea of letting them starve to death instead.

It's easy to see situations in which even a perfectly compassionate person would prefer to put an animal through more pain than is absolutely necessary. The government should be conservative about how it interferes with such decisions.
 
2005-07-21 05:09:31 PM  
I definitely think that it's a bad idea to leave animals in hot cars in the summer.

If however, it's 65 degrees farenheit out, the windows are down, there's a waterbowl in plain sight with easy access for the animal, some food, a bed, and the dog is obviously comfortably sleeping in the bed, you have wasted my time and the time of everybody in the restaurant trying to find the owner of my dog and the car.

Why were you even looking in my car?

Damn I miss that dog. Everyone get your dogs vaccinated!
 
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