See what happens is Snape does a Kage Bunshin No Jutsu and does the Killing Spell on a Kawarimi of Dumbledore. When they bury dumbledore they are burying an extended Kawarimi.

Meanwhile Neville Longbottom trains in a hyperbolic time chamber.

All the while Harry had the cursed seal on his forehead, the death of all those before him cause the curse seal to spread and thusly Harry Potter turns into the Voldemort but kills himself (see The Governator in End of Days).

/Thank you for your time !

JKR interview the other day obvious spoilers as this is a post HPB interview (and thread!)

the above sheds a little light on a couple questions, RAB seems to definitely be Regalus by the way she talks of it towards the end of the interview.

Could somebody tell me which page that's on, in the American version of the book?
I know its near the beginning when they're at the house and they're cleaning the doxies (or whatever those things were) out of the curtains.
(sorry, that's probably not much help--I remember they couldn't open the locket though).

by the way of that interview, the communicating mirror that Sirus gave to Harry to talk to him (then harry broke his after sirius died right?) seems to be a big factor in book 7. I sort of forgot about it.

Half Blood Prince is to Harry Potter as Song of Susannah is to Rolad of Gilead.

A placeholder or bridge to get me from book 5 to book 7.

/makes impatient twirling motion with diminished right hand.
//dod-a-chock?
///ka like a wheel, motherfarker

I pronounce it like "Scrihmm-zhwarr" if that makes any sense in text form. xx;

/Wonders what the point is.
//New minister is as stupid as Fudge.
///Pointless changes.
////Starting to loathe the Potter series with this single book.

I think book 7 will also be about Malfoy's turn to good. Dumbledor felt Draco's goodness when Malfoy tried to kill him and couldn't. He, not Snape or anybody else, will be the inside man who desides to let Harry close in on LV.

OUT, THEE NARUTARD!

*hits LP with an, I dunno, a Draco/Ginny/Dobby fanfiction tome*

"Oh... and ginny and harry and ron and hermione have a gigantic wizard orgy in book 7."

Look for Book 7: Harry Potter & the Partial-Birth Abortion

ok
1) harry cannot be a horcrux, cuz voldemorts soul cannot occupy his body, it gets forced out (see fight in phoenix).
2) regulus black sounds good for the RAB character, but if dumbledore could not get the horcrux alone i seriously doubt that regulus could. i think RAB must have had help at least.
3) hermione, ron and ginny will probly accompany harry (against his wishes) to godrics hollow etc... they will confront harry at bill/phlegm's wedding
4) hogwarts may not remain open, but harry will have to go there to talk to dumbledore's portrait-we will then learn whether snape is good or evil
5) fawkse the pheonix will be on harry's side in the final battle, harry will call for its help like in the second book
6) i think voldemort is one horcrux short, he meant to make his 6th horcrux for harry's death
7) draco will redeem himself, he may follow regulus black's path and be killed for trying to back out
8) if the veil in the 5th book is really the door to death (i think so), then the easiest way to finish off a horcrux is by throwing it into the veil (seems super obvious to me)
9) there will be one more important death to harry at the end of the book, either ron, hermione, ginny, or hagrid... im leaning towards hagrid (find a theory about the appearance of alchemy and the books) white is the 6th stage, albus (white in latin)dies. red is the last stage, rubeus (ruby/red) will die in the last book
10) answer to rook2112: elves (and pheonixes) dont apparate, they use a different type of magic than wizards do
11) someone needs to teach harry occlumency, as shown by the "fight" with snape. also someone needs to teach him the killing curse
12) i didnt think i'd have this many points

1. I hope Dumbledore is dead. There is nothing that makes a person's death more meaningless like him coming back out of nowhere.

2. I thought the Half Blood Prince was Voldemort the whole time. Wouldn't it make much more sense? Heir to Slytherin, and his father a muggle? Didn't the book SAY that the book didn't belong to James Potter's generation? Doesn't that lead to it not being Snape's either?

3. The romance thing was tacky, yes. Unrealistic? No. What were your romantic situations like when you were 15/16? They were bloody tacky for me.

4. I don't think Harry is the heir of Gryffindor. It would make Dumbledore's explanation of the prophecy untrue. "The prophecy becomes true because Voldemort makes it so."

5. Malfoy might turn out good. Snape, not so much. At least I hope not.

Are hermayonaise and the ugly kid bumping uglies yet?

Harry IS NOT a horcrux. The evidence is that Voldemort tries to kill him repeatedly, and has no reason to make him a horcrux in the first place.

I think the clues are intended to make you guess this. Voldemort killed Harry's parents, so the requirement of murdering someone is there. The one unknown horcrux is "something that belongs to either Gryffindor or Ravenclaw". But I think it's a trick.

A more transparent trick is Snape revealing himself to be evil. If he was REALLY on Voldemort's side, there would be absolutely no reason for the early chapter where Snape "proves" his loyalty to the other Death Eaters.

Also, Dumbledore's death made no sense unless there's a complicated reason behind it. Dumbledore would not beg for mercy, and would not have gone down without fighting back, obviously there was some kind of plan with Snape.

One other note- I have to admit the Half Blood Prince mystery was well made. I completely had no idea who it was going to be, but then looking back, the clues made it so obvious. It was used sometime in the past 50 years, the person using it was very secretive, and was also an expert at Potions. It's so obvious when you look back, but I never figured it out when I first read it.

spoilers allowed?

ok, but don't say you weren't warned...

Dumbledore knew snape was going to kill him, this was according to plan, he just wasn't ready to be dead. He'd not finished teaching Harry what he felt he needed to know.

The door to the horcrux cavern will let Voldemort know who was in there besides him. Harry, Dumbledore and "R.A.B."

Top first round draft pick for "R.A.B." is Augusta, Nevill Longbottom's grandmother. We've never known her middle name before, but she is of the era of Dumbledore and McGonnacle's generations, do you really think she'd shy away from that Riddle brat?

Snape assists in the killing of Voldemort if he is not for the most part responsible for his death. The only thing that would put snape back where he is needed most - inside the Death Eaters - is the death of Dumbledore.

Ginny Weasley has twins. (but I don't know if that will make the book)

I always wondered about the true animosity Snape had for Harry and his father and friends. He RARELY mentioned Lilly - it was always Harry's father and his friends that he would complain of.

I think that Snape was in love with Lily Potter and that made him hate Harry's father even more during his days at Hogwart's and afterwards.

Harry can't be the Horcrux, or the whole "Neither can live while the other survives" prophecy is contradicted - Voldemort would, in fact, ALWAYS be able to live as long as Harry survived.

Dumbledore is sooooo dead. Stop trying to get around it.

I am having my doubts about Snape being evil, though - I have to go read it again.

Blues_X:

And if you got tired of the love interests in this story, don't EVER try to read that goddamn Robert Jordan series.

Amen to that. I started reading it in 1993 or so, and there was a nice couple of books already available. Now that ass has twisted up the plot so much that I think he's resigned himself to never being able to resolve it.

oh, i forgot some things

there is no way dumbledore is alive, the portrait in the headmast... ahem, headmistress's office proves that

the ron/lavender thing was revolting... described as eels...

the mysterious room in the 5th book is now proven to be love

the locket that couldnt be opened in the 5th book certainly seems like the #1 contender for slytherin's locket, but wouldnt they have noticed if it had slytherin's mark on it?

I don't know about Harry being a Horcrux, but as far as the rest of it goes:

Dumbeldore is dead -- seems like when you get written out of this series, you're gone for good. ie -- harry's parents, Sirius, etc. To suggest otherwise is grasping at straws.

The whole "We might have to close Hogwarts'!" is almost as cliche' as "It's a trap!" and "The check's in the mail." Seriously, McGonnagal has said that very phrase in nearly every one of these books.

and I think we'll have less of the whole snogging mess in book seven, as she wrote herself an out when Harry and Ginny "broke up."

Ok, a few observations about a few things:

1) Sorting hat's repeated mention of the need for all schools to join together still hasn't happened - probably will in the 7th book (or at least the main characters from each house).

2) Snape's patronus not yet revealed - JK says it would give too much info. So I'm expecting it to be one of the following: A) Lion (for Godric) - unlikely or B) Phoenix (for the big D - most likely) or C) Whatever Lily's patronus was (my favorite).

3) Snape "gazed" at D before the AK - plenty of time for a silent conversation - final goodbyes/instructions (I believe D = dead = dead).

4) Snape actually rounded up and hurried all the DEs out of the school as quickly as possible to protect the students and minimize the DEs' damage.

5) D obviously knew of his fate the whole school year - witness his reactions to Trelany and Harry's repeated warnings as well as his speech to Draco.

6) D's dead hand meant he was gonna die soon anyways and/or there was a prophecy concerning D's death (Would help explain his insistence on Harry always having the invisibility cloak and wanting Snape at his death). Either way, D knew he was going to die and tried to maximize his death by A) Helping Snape gain V's full trust, B) Saving Draco's soul (recount discussion about D's mercy), D) Giving Harry more info such as the realization of Draco's predicament and potential for turning back, D) Sealing a powerful magic spell by his own death and being buried at Hogwarts.

7) Draco, Snape, and Wormtail (Wizard's life debt) will all help Harry before the end (Wormtail possibly stabbing the evil werewolf with his silver hand).

8) Snape will likely sacrifice himself and die a noble death to help bring down V. Snape will have had a very tragic life - after turning to the right side he had to play the part of scoundrel and give up any chance for his own happiness for the good of everyone else (even all those he hated/was jealous of).

9) Kreacher and Dobby probably still trailing Draco.

10) I expect a note from D back at the Durseley's when Harry returns there briefly over the summer.

11) There wasn't any mention of Serius's mirror - expected Harry to contact Serius with it - though it may now turn out to be a Horcrux.

12) Why is it important (other than "D told me I shouldn't" - which isn't exactly true), for Harry not to tell McGonagal about the Horcruxes?

/Early 30s
//Thought the 'ship stuff was a bit silly
///But found it acceptable since it was an accurate portrayal of teenagers at that age
////Also reads the classics - HP is good fun and nice to share with my teen sister

Neither can live while the other survives... If they are both alive, how does that work?

Also: Scene from book seven:

"Without your wand you are doomed! prepare to die, Harry!"
AVADA *BANG*
Blood splashes onto Harry's face.
cut to: Neville holding a smoking, double barreled shotgun.
Harry: well, "we certainly weren't expecting that"

i thought this book was a peice of crap.

She comes out and SAYS things like 'it's your love that is your secret weapon' and then the whole wizards in love thing... crap. half blood prince thing? crap. WTF? It makes no sense, has nothing to do with the plot, unless it's foreshadowing something to do with voldemort/harry/etc being half-bloods as well. whatever happened to clever writing where you insinuate and let the readers figure it out?

You never know. It might turn out that HP beats down Voldemort with his love stick.

im not sure this will put snape in close with voldemort..

remember what Big D said? "Voldemort has no friends. All DE's who think this lie to themselves. V is all alone and will continue to act solo."
Something like that.

I definately think there is something going on with Snape, though obviously it was only between him and Dumbledore.

I still think Big D and Harry will talk through the picture in the head office, even if its only a shadow of his former self.

ANNNDDDDD
was i the only one wishing for a in-depth chapter about Ron-Hermione-Harry-Ginny Sex?
^^

Harry dies in the last chapter. The seventh book is devoted solely to the history of vaudeville in Mesopotamia.

Wow. This thread is still going.

I guess I'm not the only one who had thoughts about Harry being a horcrux.

I couldn't get through all the comments, so sorry if this has been stated before.

Did anyone bring up the ill logic of Harry being a horcrux, considering that it would be the exact opposite of the prophesy? "Neither can live while the other survives." Quite the contrary; if Harry's a horcrux, Voldemort will ALWAYS live while Harry does.

But there was also a scene in the book where Dumbledore makes sure Harry knows that Voldemort sets too much store by that prophesy, so that might not mean much.

One other minor inconsistency: I had considered the idea of Snape as the half-blood prince, but rejected it for the simple reason that Snape was head of Slytherin house. How the thell did he get into Slytherin if he wasn't a pure-blood?

neither is voldemort.

Sorry, can't be bothered to read all the posts, but I thought I'd throw out this site if no one else has: Schnoogle. There are quite few good fan fiction versions of the 5th, 6th and 7th books there, particularly those from Barb. They are long reads (1200+ pages per book), but *prepares for death by flame* I'd say that they might actually be better than the canon story. Note that they are darker and more complex in nature than the real story (not nearly as predictable), and include some explicit content. If you have a lot of free time on your hands, check them out.

Ok, this question may have already been addressed, but it'll be forever and a day before I read through all this...

I can see Snape killing Dumbledore as per D's request as he was dying in pain... But how could he have known Dumbledore would need to be killed when he made the Unbreakable promise to kill him? Was it just a happy coincidence that Dumbledore was in immense pain and would die anyway? Did they somehow know this in advance? Perhaps another prophecy or something?

lmao B Not, #9 is prolly true, i had not thought of that

also i forgot to include the bit about wormtail... i think he will die to save harry from avada kedavra. it might not turn out that way, but he must save harry from something to repay his debt

optikeye

of course!

I have to re-read now

goldenapplecorp That is an excellent point. Someone smarter than me address it please?

it still doesnt make any sense

optikeye:

"Neither can live while the other survives."

If you read that one way..it refers to Three people.. 2 and an "other".

You know, people have pointed out that Voldemort could have chosen Neville Longbottom instead of Harry, and Neville's got the bloodlines to be a kickass wizard (and enough traumatization to have buried it for a long time). My wife has always said that Neville will surprise a lot of people when all is said and done.

GoldenAppleCorp
But how could he have known Dumbledore would need to be killed when he made the Unbreakable promise to kill him?

well, I don't think he did. not to mention, Narcissa was begging him to protect her son, and only at the last second, while in the middle of the vow, did she throw in "and do the deed for him if he should fail". Snape then visably twitches but goes through with it. I think he would rather take the easy exit and just die rather than kill his mentor (by breaking the vow and sentancing both Draco & himself to certain death).
This is also the argument that Hagrid overhears D and Snape having near the forest. Snape has obviously told D and D has come up with a plan to save them all (or at least Draco and Harry) but Snape just can't go through with it--he can't kill his mentor. Which in turn is pretty much the same conversation D has with Harry---to follow his direction no matter what.

Also, as others have mentioned, it seems kinda clear that D and Snape have a silent conversation before snape kills him.
It also seems likely that D and Snape have an unbreakable vow to help destroy voldie and/or protect Harry which would be a solid reason why D always trusts snape.

My favorite part is when we find out that Harry is actually Sally Strothers. I did not see that one coming.

I haven't read the latest one yet, but does it follow the same rough formula as the other books? That formula, of course, is:

1. Harry is miserable with the Dursleys.
2. Harry gets ready to go to Hogwarts, but something/someone
tries to stop him.
3. Harry and friends meet the new DADA teacher.
4. Something bad happens.
5. Oh, crap! It's Voldemort!
6. It's part of Harry's destiny to make things right.
7. Ron & Hermione suck face behind Hagrid's hut.
8. Things are resolved, generally with the help of a magical
doohickey.
9. Things are ok...for now. Things are grim but optimistic.
10.Harry goes home, is miserable with the Dursleys.

Did I forget anything? How close is the new one to this general formula?

WTF is with all the H/Hr hate here??? Do you people prefer bickering "tension" couples to ones with deep meaningful relationships in real life too???

Oh yeah, 3.5: Snape acts cranky

art shamsky, your way off

deep_thought: How'm I off? I'm not saying the books aren't fun to read, just that they tend to follow a general pattern. What's untrue about what I wrote?

art_shamsky,

Actually, to the best of my recollection - resurrected Voldemort never makes a single appearance in the entire book.

well you got about half right, and the ones that are right are in the wrong order

#'s 2, 3, 5, 6 and 8 are totally wrong, and 7 is pretty much wrong

and #4 happens frequently

B Not: Okay, how about "Oh, crap! It's (somehow connected to) Voldemort!"

I mean, He _does_ show up in different forms, yes?

Don't worry about the book being "too old" for Snape. Remember, he was po-ass, so there's probably a good chance he got the book from the Hogwarts welfare lending liberry.

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deep_thought:

A little bit of defense to my argument -

#2: Uncle Vernon, Dobby, the Weasley's car.
#3: How many different DADA teachers have there been? We can even amend this to just say "new teacher." What was the name of the Divinations prof?
#5: It's got something to do with Voldy, anyway. It may not be the man(?) himself, but...
#6: Well, maybe not, but it's all about Harry fixing the badness, isn't it?
#7: You need to read the unexpurgated versions. There's all sort of nasty house-elf buggery going on.
#8: The Marauder's Map, Sword of Gryffindor, Cloak of Invisibility, Hermione's little time-twisty pendant? It's all about the magic items!

I welcome further dissent.