7th book title: Harry Potter and the Stream of Royalty

Here's a (not very) original idea.
Snape said the words to the death spell outloud, but he was casting a different spell silently. He has to appear loyal to the dark lord, etc. Dumbledore is in a suspended state of some sort. I kept expecting Ron and Hermione to hook up. But uh, go harry.

Did anyone else notice that they were boozing it up at every turn in the book though?

Killing Dumbledore now puts Snape in direct contact with Voldemort. Now snape can directly report on V/s plans and can be more effective in protecting Harry. Dumbldores death had to be some kind of ruse. I also wonder about Draco Malfoy (who seems to be a ass wizard) stunning Dumbledore like that. Dumbledore is one of the greatest wizards to ever live and here he is being held motionless by a 6th year student? Even in his weakened state Im not sure I buy that. Dumbledore stood there waiting for Snape to arrive and deliver the curse.

I enjoyed this book, but not near as much as I enjoyed Goblet or Phoenix.

/31
//make fun all you want you're missing out on great books.

did anyone think that JK stole from spiderman there? the main character get's the girl, then gives her up cause he doesn't want them to get hurt? it was almost word for word there.

and then the part where harry says something like "good thing Ron isn't an occulumens, so he won't be able to see the things harry had been dreaming about doing to his sister" that shattered the unintentional comedy scale. it was easily the best part of the book.

QUIT READING BOOKS FOR CHILDREN YOU ASSHATS!

Jo has said that the mirror that Sirius gave Harry will be important in book 7 (well, she didn't say THAT, but when asked about the mirror she said "good question!").

So, since we're all pretty much in agreement that RAB is Regulus Black, the mirror is likely going to play a big importance in finding that locket. Whomever has the locket, probably has the mirror too:)

I don't think harry's a horcrux, as there's more to making a horcrux than just killing someone, so it couldn't have happened by accident. Also, I doubt that Voldemort would have waiting that long without making his 7th horcrux.

Snape is probably not evil, just because that would be a terrible lesson for Jo to be teaching in her books. I think she's trying to show up that people are not always how they appear. I think that as DD and Snape are both accomplished Legilimens, that DD silently instructed Snape to kill him during that fateful scene, since DD knew he was dying anyway and would want to keep Snape's cover and protect him from breaking the vow.

Just my thoughts, feel free to tear them down.

\Finally Harry-Hermione shippers can STFU.

TheGrayCat: /I'd snog with Ron


Are you a catholic priest?

Awesome, scape. Glad to see more ytmnd.com references.

/doesn't care for Potter.

Compared the Order of the Pheonix this was a masterpiece. I hated OotP.

This one? Much better. More plot, more character development... abit too 90210/OC whatever those kids watch these days Soapish in the love story, but overall much better.

My theory on how the series will end:

Hogwarts itself is the final horcrux. Harry will have to destroy the school to finish off Voldmort. He will then help found a new school, and one of the new Houses will be called 'Potter'.

Neville, Draco Malfoy and Snape will die in book 7

Snape killed Dumbledoor because Dumbledoor ordered him to preserve his cover with the Death Eaters. When dumbledoor was pleading with Snape, he was actually pleading with Snape to follow his orders and kill him.

Harry will set up some situation in wich both he and (mortal) Voldmort are both supposed to die, but at the last moment, Harry is rescued by Hermione and Ron (and probably the DA), but voldmort dies.

Did I miss something or didnt Dumbledore state that the final piece of Voldemort's soul was in voldemorts body and had to be destroyed last? If Harry is the Horcrux then how is he supposed to kill himself then kill Voldemort?

Overall I was rather dissappointed with the book. Parts just drug on, Harry's obsession with Drago became way out of character, and the 1 chapter romance of Ginny and Harry was rather pointless. I am holding out hope that maybe there is a twist where Snape was following Dumbledore's orders otherwise we are left with Dumbledore being a fool and plotline that could have been resolved in book 1.

There was certainly enough foreshadowing to belive that the "death" of Dumbledore was a ruse. The dialogue between Harry and Dumbledore about being able to give the illusion of being one place when actually being in another, the quick glimpse of a blue phoenix and dissipation of his body at the funeral, etc. Faking his death would certainly allow more time to go undetected in hunting down the remaining Horcruxes plus any of the DE's doubts about Snape would be erased...way to convenient IMHO.

YES

Finally those damn Harry/Hermione people will have NOTHING to go on!

/20
//read it in 7 hours
///seeing a trend here
////hot for Alan Rickman

Harry is a Horcrux - would explain a LOT - everything from the Sorting Hat wanting to put him in Slytherin to parseltongue, etc.

That said, I think Neville is the true prophesized usurper of Voldemort. There was never any other reason whatsoever to even mention it could be anyone other than Harry (particularly Neville) if you weren't going to act on it. It would be too stupid for a false lead.

Why change ministers? That didn't make any sense at all. Fudge and the new good are practically interchangeable. Something's up there. I suspect the new guy is dark.

Snape is not dark. When he was so angry for being called a coward it was because he just had to do the bravest thing he could ever be asked to do - kill Dumbledore for the better good.

I wonder what a Magical Stip Club would be like? Mer-women, centaurs, giants, werewolves, vampires - fetish city......

I would venture that RAB is Regulus and the locket was the one mentioned in OotP and I REALLY think Mundungus took it when nicking things from Sirius/Harry's house - but was it deliberately taken or taken coincidentally with the other trinkets.

I have one HUGE question that I haven't found an answer for so if any of you could enlighten me I'd greatly appreciate it. How come house elves can apparate/disapparate within Hogwart's walls?

I dont think Harry is a Horcrux. I think that Voldmort was going to use harry's death to create the final horcrux, but since harry didnt die, voldmort's soul didnt split, so he couldnt have made the horcrux.

JK Rowling is not stealing from Tolkien

you're right in that Tolkien used well established "lore" when he created his tale, however, JK has acknowledged that she thinks LotR (& the Hobbit) are a huge inspiration for her.

After reading HBP, I noticed quite a few nods to the LotR direction---especially the entire Cave sequence. It literally rehashes the Mines of Moria and the Dead Marshes in a pretty obvious way.
Also, the very nature of a Horcrux---literally that is what the Ring of Power was---and the whole predicament sauron was in when the ring was all he/it had left.

anyway, my point was not to knock her for it--- more that she's made it no secret that she loves those books and using them for inspiration isn't a crime--more like flattery.

Obviously, the delay in getting this book out was the re-write due to the death of Richard Harris. Have to keep the franchise going, you know.
And of course Dumbledore, as a denizen of picture-land, will be helpful as a spy in the portraits of him scattered throughout the land. They'll just have to computer-morph Richard Harris into the film for brief, yet telling, bits.

/didn't need the book to figure that one out

TheGrayCat:

Anyone else notice that Slughorn called Ron "Rupert" while at Aragog's funeral? That was a nice touch.


I noticed that too...I laughed. Nice little joke.

And people...Dumbledore is dead. Haven't you noticed that when people die in these books, they really die? His parents are dead, Sirius is dead, Dumbledore is dead, and they aren't coming back. Sorry.

Dumb-Ass-Monkey:

2005-07-20 07:58:04 PM Dumb-Ass-Monkey


OK, now you're reaching. JK Killed him off. He's been pronounced dead, buried(hopefully not cremated), and his "I'm Dead" portrait is in the office, where rule #1 is you have to actually be dead to be in those pictures.

Really? Far as I know, the magical paintings do not require a dead person to animate them.

Btw, rons dead in the last book. It has been foreshadowed often... most obviously in the first book, where Ron the Knight sacrifices himself on the chess board.

I think the locket and the horcrux are essential to a subplot, which will be revealed in the next book as being reall all about Hogwart's secret mission to train Dumbledore and Slitherin.

/has no idea whats going on

podunk411 :the slytherin locket is the one mentioned in OotP at Sirius' house.

Could somebody tell me which page that's on, in the American version of the book? Also, Rigelus is dead, right, which rules out the possibility of Harry gleaning any useful information from him? Might he be a ghost, or a painting, or has he written any log detailing how to find the other three horcruxes? And is "horcruxes" pronounced with a -xis, -xees, or -sees at the end? And how are we supposed to pronounce the last name is the last name of the new Minister of Magic supposed to be pronounced?

I'm not sure if anyone submitted this link yet. I was too lazy to check. It's pretty funny though.
http://pottercrash.ytmnd.com/

rook2112: J.K. Rowling answered that on her web site. I believe it's because they use a different kind of magic than normal wizards and witches do, but double check there to get her exact wording on it.


It figures that Fark starts a thread on this now. :) I spent a couple hours setting up a Live Journal account and writing up my thoughts (pops) because my friends and family who have the book either haven't started, or haven't finished it yet, so there was no one here to discuss it with.

Good to see from a brief skimming here that mostly everyone is under a lot of the same thinking as me.

And for the record, I'm over 14 by almost 10 years. :P

Re the "young wizards in love" subplot:

Even if one didn't know JK Rowling was a woman, it would be painfully obvious from the storyline that she was. Case in point--Harry doing his big "we need to break up for your own protection" scene with Ginny at the end. I'm sorry, but that sort of thing only happens in cheezy romance novels. A real 16 year-old boy in those circumstances would be trying to get into Ginny's pants so fast it'd make your head swim.

I agree with Eruda: I don't think Harry is a Horcrux...the prophecy says neither can survive while the other one lives...if this were the case Harry would have to kill himself in order for V to be completely dead.

There is some kind of spiritual connection there, but I don't think that's the one. I don't remember how the book specifically defined horcux, but it sounded to me like they were inanimate objects of value or meaning to the person, not necessarily a living thing.

I think Dumbledore and Snape had some kind of agreement or unbreakable vow that will come out in book 7. They were both highly skilled ligilimens, so they could have been passing messages to each other this way as well just by opening up their minds.

Dumbledore had told Harry many times throughout the book that he wasn't as important as Harry and that if died it wouldn't mean anything. I think he really is dead - otherwise the portrait would not have materialized in the office. Of course, as someone else mentioned, this means that there is still the portrait to talk to if Harry choses to return to Hogwarts at any point.

/not even close to 14

SNAPE KILLS DUM...Oh, Oh I guess...I guess I'm late...Well, goodbye.

Harry isn't a horcrux. It doesn't make sense. For one thing, Voldemort doesn't need all the portions of his soul to do what he does. The point of the horcrux is to be able to keep coming back somehow. At this point, he's short 3, since Harry and Dumbledore eliminated 2 of them and "somebody" had eliminated a third.
In addition, it doesn't make Harry a horcrux so that you kill him that you may live. The prophecy clearly states somebody born that day will kill Voldemort. Nigel Longbottom could, just as easily, perform the task and fulfill the prophecy. Voldemort KNOWS the part of the prophecy that tells him the date, and he also knows that Nigel was born on that date. So, there's a loophole for the good guys.

Dumbledore is dead, but has a way of communicating with Harry, just like Obi Wan in Star Wars. Stupid tricks to keep a character active.

Snape is good, but had to do what he did and Dumbledore approved.

I suspect that Voldemort will come undone due to mixing his wand up with some of the Weasley brothers' fake ones, and Harry won't kill him, but Nigel will.

N. S. Radieaux

And how are we supposed to pronounce the last name is the last name of the new Minister of Magic supposed to be pronounced?


I wondered about Scrimgeour, too. My best guess rhymed with slime-hour, but I took it to Google and discovered it's a real surname. Apparently it's pronounced "scrim-jer", according to the real life bearers.

"The books are popular because we all recognize the story and we recognize that she's done something new and special with it."

Uh...sorry to be hatin' on it and all...but they are popular because they are McFantasy. They are not well written. They appeal to the least common denominator. She is mostly lucky (and timely), not skilled as a story teller.

Perhaps, the spell hit Dumbledore in the chest, where he had placed the locket before.

Dumbledore brings his hand to his chest a lot before Snape finally kills him. Perhaps he moves the horcrux there. Readers are thinking "Oh, he's steadying himself LOL!!!!111"

Then, Dumbledore and Snape use Legilimency and Snape aims for the locket on the chest. The force throws Dumbledore off the balcony, and breaks the locket which falls to the ground open while Dumbledore transfigures a stump into his corpse and then flees into the night.

I shouldn't post on here drunk again.

i thought this book was a peice of crap.

She comes out and SAYS things like 'it's your love that is your secret weapon' and then the whole wizards in love thing... crap. half blood prince thing? crap. WTF? It makes no sense, has nothing to do with the plot, unless it's foreshadowing something to do with voldemort/harry/etc being half-bloods as well. whatever happened to clever writing where you insinuate and let the readers figure it out?


/still can't wait for the next book
// reb = sirius' brother. DUH.

spacin007:

Uh...sorry to be hatin' on it and all...but they are popular because they are McFantasy. They are not well written. They appeal to the least common denominator. She is mostly lucky (and timely), not skilled as a story teller.

I disagree. Lots of books are McFantasy. Her McFantasy has broken records. Clearly it is not just another fantasy tale.

Harry Potter is an ugly TROLL.

And his mother was a dirty ho.

2005-07-20 08:07:36 PM N. S. Radieaux

And how are we supposed to pronounce the last name is the last name of the new Minister of Magic supposed to be pronounced?

Yipes! there's apparently a nasty case of the disease of redundency disease floating around. I must have caught it from missmez. Thanks to Impolite LGBT for unintentionally alerting me to my symptom.

I remember a PR piece on the first Harry Potter movie where J.K. Rowling told Robbie Coltrane some secret about Hagrid, something to do with his relationship with Harry, something that wouldn't be revealed till a later book and swore him to secrecy about it. I don't recall seeing anything like that up to now so it must be part of the next book.

SPOILER ALERT!!!!
I couldn't believe it when he banged that one chick and murdered her husband. WHOA!

Harry Potter is not the Horcrux for these two reasons
1. You must murder ther person than create the Horcrux. Vold wanted to create the Horcrux after Harry's death. Yes part of Vold was transferred to Harry, put he is def not a Horcrux. Dumbledore would have known this and told Harry.
2. Dumbledore stated that Harry must destroy all the Horcrux's first than kill Vold, if he wanted to destroy him. How can he destroy Vold if he had to kill himself

um, elrond, the character's name is Neville, not Nigel