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2005-07-20 03:57:24 PM
This one had a very different tone. Much of the wonder is gone from her descriptions, and I don't think it's just because of the increasing darkness of the plot. I think it's because she's tired of writing the damn thing.
 
2005-07-20 04:01:01 PM
I borrowed my sister's copy and I have to read it in 3 days. I only managed to get to the marigold level in the reading program in grade school. Is it possible for me to read this in 3 days?
 
2005-07-20 04:01:08 PM
I just finished reading it last night and was checking out an earlier TF discussion thread about it. From the comments there, I'd have to say that Snape is indeed still working for the Order and probably killed Dumbledore as part of their own Unbreakable Vow or something--to keep his cover, further the cause, etc.
 
2005-07-20 04:02:06 PM
I'm thinking the ending of the series is going to piss off a lot of people. I'm wondering who else JK is going to bump off.
 
2005-07-20 04:02:35 PM
Yeah, I'm guessing that Snape isn't really evil... but only time will tell. Geez, do I really have to wait until like 2008 for the next one???
 
2005-07-20 04:03:13 PM
I have no interest in Harry Potter myself, but CNN is reporting that fans are pissed off at the ending. Apparently the major death of a character made a bunch of little kids cry. I find that hilarious.
 
2005-07-20 04:04:10 PM
If you don't already have the book you can check the borders website to see if your nearest borders has it on their website.
 
2005-07-20 04:04:32 PM

 
2005-07-20 04:05:07 PM
I've got about two chapters left. Can I tell you how much I HATE the Young Wizards in Love subplot? It's like Degrassi Junior High, with wands.
 
2005-07-20 04:05:46 PM
//major death of a character made a bunch of little kids cry//

See, if I were a parent, there's no way I'd let my kid read this. Not for that factor, but for some of the other stuff. Like the werewolf wanting to rip out children's throats because they were "delicious"...and the corpses that rise out of the lake inside the cave that Dumby and Harry enter. I'm really curious how they're going to treat stuff like that in the movie.
 
2005-07-20 04:08:04 PM
le mew: Much of the wonder is gone from her descriptions

I noticed that too, but thought it might be me just getting used to it.

woodpecker from mars: Can I tell you how much I HATE the Young Wizards in Love subplot?

It was way too soap opera-y for my taste.
 
2005-07-20 04:08:36 PM
It was darker...but not her best work.

It felt like it was drifting around for a long time... didn't carry me as well as the 1st or 2nd one...

Not bad.

Not great.

I'll still watch the movie.

Betting it ends with Voldemort and Potter facing off in a "I AM YOUR FATHER!" kinda moment... with a big ass shawshank redemption "NOOOOOOOOOOO!" at the end.

Not sure wher they would get that from though..
 
2005-07-20 04:09:56 PM
weigelt, if they're old enough to read such a thick book, they should be old enough to deal with that stuff. Me, I kept having to translate from British to American, so I can't imagine what an 8-year-old would do.

/has never seen a book with so many characters wearing a 'dressing gown'
 
2005-07-20 04:10:34 PM
le mew: Much of the wonder is gone from her descriptions

I said the same thing when I did a half-done review. "I think this book is missing some of the breathless descrpitions that made the earlier books so delightful."
 
2005-07-20 04:11:10 PM
As you can see, I was easily amused by the book.
 
2005-07-20 04:11:11 PM
le mew: /has never seen a book with so many characters wearing a 'dressing gown'

or snogging
 
2005-07-20 04:18:21 PM
I think that it was the same book as "order of the Phoenix" same sub-plots, same buildup to the same battle ending with the same dead important dead guy.
/meh. . .
 
2005-07-20 04:21:36 PM
Ron is Dumbledore.
 
2005-07-20 04:22:38 PM
weigelt:

See, if I were a parent, there's no way I'd let my kid read this. Not for that factor, but for some of the other stuff. Like the werewolf wanting to rip out children's throats because they were "delicious"...and the corpses that rise out of the lake inside the cave that Dumby and Harry enter. I'm really curious how they're going to treat stuff like that in the movie.

Never read any Brothers Grimm?
 
2005-07-20 04:23:23 PM
I think this book is mainly a bridge between 5 and 7, vs. an adventure in it's own right (such as 'Goblet'). Since it's more about the characters than any big event, it almost has to be a little less interesting than some of the past books.

And if you got tired of the love interests in this story, don't EVER try to read that goddamn Robert Jordan series. Books 6-9 can be summed up with "girls don't understand boys, and boys don't understand girls. With magic."
 
2005-07-20 04:24:56 PM
Not to mention wearing "trainers". I think they're a sort of boxer shorts.

I thought the idea of having to buy all of your books and such for the year after your OWLs and only once getting to school finding out if you're qualified for the class was a pretty lame pretext for getting the textbook into Potter's hands. It's a potions textbook, fercryinoutloud, you couldn't have Harry provided with a regular textbook and then something, I dunno, maybe spills on it, requiring a quick replacement?

I don't know about Snape actually being good (Dumbledore's shock at the end on seeing Snape is portrayed as the moment he is truly defeated, his death was just an afterthought at that point. Maybe there's a wheels within wheels thing going on, but I doubt it and think the story would be diminished for it.), I don't know about the R.A.B. character, but I do know that the Horcruxes seem to me a convenient method of extending the series to milk a few more bucks out of it.

I liked the departures from the earlier books, too, with the opening being changed and all, and I have to say the potion drinking scene is the most intense one I've ever seen from Rowling.
 
2005-07-20 04:26:37 PM
le mew:

if they're old enough to read such a thick book, they should be old enough to deal with that stuff.

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Never read any Brothers Grimm?

True, true. My girlfriend has a 7-year-old. She started to try and read the book, but I think it's probably a bit too complicated for her. I guess older kids that could read it wouldn't have too much of a problem with that stuff.
 
2005-07-20 04:26:51 PM
SockMonkeyHolocaust
Never read any Brothers Grimm?

Exactly! The idea that kids need to be "protected" from ever seeing or hearing anything that might disturb them is a recent notion (less than 150 years) and IMO it's one of the worst things a parent can do to a child. The real world is full of all sorts of disturbing stuff, and a child who is kept ignorant of death, pain, etc. is going to find reall life quite a shock. The kid, once reaching adulthood, may even be willing to ignore large swaths of reality, simply because they are unpleasant and the individual has no practice dealing with unpleasant events.

I like the books specifically because they expose kids to "disturbing" themes.
 
2005-07-20 04:30:32 PM
FloydA:

The real world is full of all sorts of disturbing stuff, and a child who is kept ignorant of death, pain, etc. is going to find reall life quite a shock.

I debated letting my 4yr old son see "Watership Down", but he did fine through it.

Next up: torturing small animals.
 
2005-07-20 04:31:41 PM
Potter will die a virgin.

/He should be getting all the tail he wants...
 
2005-07-20 04:32:19 PM
And then there's that whole "Teaching your children to distinguish between reality and fiction" thing.
 
2005-07-20 04:33:04 PM
Dumbledore and Snape polyjuiced each other.
Dumbledore is Snape and Snape is Dumbledore.
Dumbledore killed Snape.
/not really, but would make a strange twist kind of ending.
 
2005-07-20 04:34:24 PM
andyb2260:

Dumbledore and Snape polyjuiced each other.
Dumbledore is Snape and Snape is Dumbledore.
Dumbledore killed Snape.


Dude...you just blew my mind.
 
2005-07-20 04:38:14 PM
After I'd read a chapter or two, my husband asked how it was going. "Dark. Very dark." I also noticed the incredible amount of snogging going on, though one of the references of Ron breaking away with an audible pop made me snicker.

Dumbledore's death seemed, well, pointless. And at the end, Harry still didn't learn the lesson that Dumbledore was trying to teach him about rushing into rash decisions and conjecture.

It'll be interesting to see if Hogwarts truly is shut down, and I thought that Ginny might have put up a bit more of a struggle when Harry decided to call it quits.
 
2005-07-20 04:44:18 PM
Trainers are tennis shoes as far as I can tell.

Someone else in another thread brought up an interesting point. Since students don't go to Hogwarts until they're 11 years old, where do the kids from all-wizard families go to grade school? Someone must teach them how to read and do math.
 
2005-07-20 04:45:30 PM
 
2005-07-20 04:46:19 PM
oh dammit. </a>
 
2005-07-20 04:54:19 PM
I believe Harry himself is the final Horcrux. When you kill someone you frature your soul. It would explain why V wants to be the one to kill Potter and not have someone else knock him off.

I predict that in the end Harry will have to die to kill V for good.
 
2005-07-20 04:55:01 PM
the eidolon
That was SRA - I had to do that too. Thx for the flashback.
 
2005-07-20 04:56:57 PM
MK-Ultra71: I believe Harry himself is the final Horcrux

But why would Voldemort try to kill Harry if part of his soul would be killed in the process?
 
2005-07-20 04:58:52 PM
weigelt
Dumbledore and Snape polyjuiced each other

*giggle*

/Ginny Sue must die.
 
2005-07-20 04:59:42 PM
More importantly, why would Voldemort make Harry a horcrux after attempting to kill him the first time? Why would he want a dead body as a Horcrux? I think that he would've made a Horcrux out of something when he went to kill Harry, but he screwed up and didn't have a chance.

(The only explanation as far as that goes is that Harry is the heir of Gryffindor. But I'm pretty sure that JK has said otherwise on that topic, although not 100% sure)
 
2005-07-20 05:31:46 PM
Everyone assumes the scar is an after effect of a powerful curse that Harry survived. Could be the effect of Harry being made a horcrux. And V has being trying to kill Harry, just trying to regain that part of his soul.
 
2005-07-20 05:33:47 PM
Voldermort is Snape's father. Snape's mother was in school at the same time as Voldermort and later cheated on her Muggle hubby, which was he abused her so. LV kills Snapes mother because he fears being exposed as halfblood, Snape witnesses this and becomes a horcrux for VL.
 
2005-07-20 06:44:17 PM
closeminded.:

More importantly, why would Voldemort make Harry a horcrux after attempting to kill him the first time?

Maybe make something nearby a horcrux? But maybe when the AK backfired, so did the whole process of making a Horcrux and a bit of Voldie's soul got deposited in Harry. I mean, we already know that Harry posseses some of Voldie's traits; it isn't that big a leap to assume Harry has been made a vessel of Voldie's soul, just like the diary, capable of great destruction. Unlike the diary, however, Harry has a conscience that is fighting back.

The locket is either still at Grimmauld Place or Mundungus sold it. I'm sure we're to see a scene of Harry traipsing through the black market of the wizarding world looking for the locket. They found it in OotP when they were cleaning.

Snape is not evil. A bastard, no doubt, we've known that, but evil? No.
 
2005-07-20 06:44:39 PM
Just curious...

Anyone posting here over 14?
 
2005-07-20 06:46:12 PM
SwampyBalls: Anyone posting here over 14?

Yes. Quite a few, I imagine.
 
2005-07-20 06:46:18 PM
I thought this was her weakest book- I thought the scene where Harry uses Dark Magic was cool and really had me excited and worried (I was sitting up in bed going "ohmygosh, ohmygosh" over and over), but I didn't buy the reaction of the students or the school. I mean, he used *dark magic* and it's all "detention for you, could have been worse!" "Ooo, Harry used dark magic, but now he's going out with Ginny, all's well!"
 
2005-07-20 06:46:24 PM
HARRY FORCE-CHOKES HERMIONE TO DEATH AT THE END!

/ruined!
 
2005-07-20 06:46:26 PM
 
2005-07-20 06:46:40 PM
SwampyBalls: Anyone posting here over 14?

I am 50.
 
2005-07-20 06:47:52 PM
I read it (took about 5 hours). I'm in my mid-30s for the record.

I didn't get much out of it. Nothing really happened. This was really just an "episode" of the larger story. It advanced the story without really delivering much satisfaction.

Still, I enjoyed it somewhat and will definitely continue consuming HP books/movies.
 
2005-07-20 06:48:36 PM
woodpecker from mars:

And then there's that whole "Teaching your children to distinguish between reality and fiction" thing.

WOAH!

Woah, now, let's not get crazy. Parental responsibility? Common sense? Are you on drugs?
 
2005-07-20 06:49:32 PM
The scar on Harry is the horcrux.
/just thinking outloud.
 
2005-07-20 06:49:54 PM
ahem.... spoiler

SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE

that will be all

/is over 14
//is over 21
///is over 28
////loves the slashy-things
/////PENIS GOURD
 
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