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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-07-20 02:11:27 PM  
I, for one, welcome my drunk Swedish vulva overlords.
 
2005-07-20 02:14:14 PM  
They need drivers with who don't react properly? Can't they just use women?

/Ducks
 
2005-07-20 02:15:02 PM  
gallo caldo

Zing!
 
2005-07-20 02:16:35 PM  
I'll volunteer.

Or they could just get people on their cell phones to drive around the track. The Mythbusters proved that talking on the phone is more dangerous than drinking and driving.
 
2005-07-20 02:18:07 PM  
Where do I sign up?
 
2005-07-20 02:19:00 PM  
so the system will alert its drunk driver, who will immediately stop the car and call for a ride.
 
2005-07-20 02:19:48 PM  
I've always wanted to open a hotel / bar / gokart track. I think it would be neat.
 
2005-07-20 02:20:16 PM  
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Try these:




I can't believe that Vulva is trying to do this. I can't see this project being anything more than a complete failure. Hell why not just stick a breathalizer in every model they make? Methinks that would be more effective.
 
2005-07-20 02:20:44 PM  
Big deal, I know tons of people who've run this experiment multiple times.
 
2005-07-20 02:23:42 PM  
You forgot "what could possibly go wrong?"
 
2005-07-20 02:26:30 PM  
I can't believe that Vulva is trying to do this. I can't see this project being anything more than a complete failure. Hell why not just stick a breathalizer in every model they make? Methinks that would be more effective.

Why? Technology for cars to control themselves has been progressing steadily for some time now, apparently it's getting to the point where they can adapt it to lower drunk driving accidents. I'd say that definitely rates a spiffy tag. They're driving on a TRACK, not down your neighborhood, so there's no public danger. If Volvo's engineers think it's time to try this out, I'm not going to argue with them.
 
2005-07-20 02:26:30 PM  
Actually, I like the idea of installing failsafe breathalyzers for convicted DWI cases.
 
2005-07-20 02:26:46 PM  
"That means if the driver is tired, sick, drunk or under the influence of other drugs."


Am I, or is the sentence missing something?
 
2005-07-20 02:26:52 PM  
"spiffy" tag confused me till I RTFA.
 
2005-07-20 02:29:32 PM  
"Spiffy" tag should be replaced with "Whoring for free advertising" tag.

OKay, they are running a test on a closed track on private property.

And...?
 
2005-07-20 02:30:00 PM  
I can't see anything like this being any less than a disaster unless it worked with absolute 100% accuracy. Even then the possibilities for lawsuits are enough to make every blood sucking lawyer cream themselves.
 
2005-07-20 02:33:47 PM  
Then why are the damn cup holders so shallow? WHY????
 
2005-07-20 02:35:10 PM  
So, they're going to let people have a few beers and hit the test track...big whoop. I think they should do open highway tests in heavy traffic, like Los Angeles or Houston. Now *that* would be cool.
 
2005-07-20 02:35:42 PM  
 
2005-07-20 02:35:56 PM  
Introducing Volvo's new technology : Personal Responsibility Deterrence System, or PRDS.
 
2005-07-20 02:36:55 PM  
"Spiffy" tag should be replaced with "Whoring for free advertising" tag.

OKay, they are running a test on a closed track on private property.

And...?


And... it's not in America. Apparently they have laws against driving ANYWHERE after drinking over there.

I can't see anything like this being any less than a disaster unless it worked with absolute 100% accuracy. Even then the possibilities for lawsuits are enough to make every blood sucking lawyer cream themselves.

And I doubt they're going to release a model to the public the day after the test, they'll probably have to experiment and tweak for a long time before it's 100% accurate. But you have to start somewhere.
 
2005-07-20 02:39:49 PM  
mekkab

OKay, they are running a test on a closed track on private property.

They do have to get permission from the government to do this on private property, as it is illegal to drive on private roads, too, in Sweden while under any influence.
 
2005-07-20 02:40:39 PM  
I've driven when I was too tired, and when I was too sick, and I knew it. I don't think having an alarm go off is going to change much.
 
2005-07-20 02:41:01 PM  
all i want is my 1800 sport wagon back :) loved the round brick
 
2005-07-20 02:42:18 PM  
Ceph: thank you! I didn't realize that.

Carry on, Volvo!
 
2005-07-20 02:46:56 PM  
Something just occurred to me - how do Sweden's speed limits, speeding enforcement, and pavement quality compare to the rest of Europe?
 
2005-07-20 02:48:09 PM  
I love my S40.

/got it for a song
//i wish the damn CD player wouldn't skip after going over a pebble...
 
2005-07-20 02:54:21 PM  
Stoopeed
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-07-20 02:59:02 PM  
Apparently they have laws against driving ANYWHERE after drinking over there.

In America some states prohibit drunk driving only on property open to the public but others prohibit drunk driving anywhere, even in your own garage.
 
2005-07-20 03:07:14 PM  
brownout

Something just occurred to me - how do Sweden's speed limits, speeding enforcement, and pavement quality compare to the rest of Europe?


I'll try to wrap it up for you:

Speed limits: Like most of Europe, 90 kph on main roads, 110 on highways
Speeding enforement: HA HA. Seriously, if you do get caught you just happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. And the police cruisers here don't have that head-on radar that the U.S. ones do, so even if you speed and meet a cop, he can't really tag you.
Pavement quality: Overall, good. Highways and main roads are excellent, except for some parts up north where the winters hit them bad. Smaller roads can range from everything from excellent to bad, like Eastern Europe or West Virginia bad.
 
2005-07-20 03:11:12 PM  
"but occifer, i was only going one way!"

This couldn't be tested with people driving as if under the influence and/or just plain carelessly? Seems like specifically engineering a machine to perform an illegal act is... what's the work I'm looking for? Ah yes, Stoopeed. Thanks Ondmis.
 
2005-07-20 03:29:54 PM  
In Sweden the police has to have two independent methods of reading your speed. E.g. radar and witness, camera and witness, camera and radar....They are always two in the unmarked car when they are out creating revenue.
So the random US method where a cop just thinks you were speeding does not hold in court there.
 
2005-07-20 03:35:02 PM  
I just asked my brother, who works at Volvo in Torslanda, where I sign up... Free drinks and driving new cars on a closed circuit - could a job be more interesting?
 
2005-07-20 03:44:23 PM  
This couldn't be tested with people driving as if under the influence and/or just plain carelessly? Seems like specifically engineering a machine to perform an illegal act is... what's the work I'm looking for? Ah yes, Stoopeed. Thanks Ondmis.

They're not engineering a car to perform an illegal act. It doesn't go out to the bar with you, buy you drinks, then talk you into driving home. But if you personally decide to drink and drive, Volvo is working on a system that will make it less likely for you to kill yourself or other people. I know in America some people have 10-20 drunk driving convictions and will not stop until they kill themselves or someone else and therefore can finally be sent to prison. So personally, I'm all for this potential technology. The breathalizers installed in cars can be gotten around fairly easily, having a car that can take over when you're shiat-faced might actually save some lives. Have it notify the police while you're at it, then you're helping enforce laws, not breaking them.
 
2005-07-20 03:50:41 PM  
Senappi

Free drinks and driving new cars on a closed circuit - could a job be more interesting?

You'll find out if you live.
 
2005-07-20 03:55:20 PM  
Seems like specifically engineering a machine to perform an illegal act is... what's the work I'm looking for? Ah yes, Stoopeed.

Uh, lets not miss the forest because the trees here. Driving under the influence is illegal because it reduces ones ability to control the vehicle.

If they develop a system that allows the car to better compensate for reduced driving ability - whether it's cause by alcohol, sleepieness, distraction or, uh... gender, then that reduces the hazard - which is the concern in the first place.

Often the biggest problem with any impaired driving situation is that people don't *realize* their driving skills are deteriorated. Fortunately, most of the people that would want a car with this system in it aren't the ones that are stupid enough to ignore its feedback.

As a side note, I'm sure many of the professional drivers are good enough that they could drink just shy of passing out and still driver better than a soccer mom on a cell phone.
 
2005-07-20 04:00:33 PM  
seatown75

As a side note, I'm sure many of the professional drivers are good enough that they could drink just shy of passing out and still driver better than a soccer mom on a cell phone.

LOL it's so funny cause it's so true
 
2005-07-20 04:03:21 PM  
i hate getting stuck behind volvos on the road...slowest, most retarded drivers on the planet...i mean, how long are ya gonna savor that right turn for?

/ducks
//runs
///slashious galorious
 
2005-07-20 04:09:34 PM  
if you drink and are behind the wheel, damn right you should go to jail if you are caught. for a looooooong time. but not if they pass reaction tests regardless of BAC tests.

i've met people who could drive better drunk then others who are straight. some people think that since they are dry or without meds in their system they are "good" drivers.

most accidents happen from non-drunk drivers, keep in mind...
 
2005-07-20 04:11:10 PM  
Ask any Volvo owner and they'll tell you Volvos are very reliable cars, and theirs is the only exception.

I've found there's 2 types of Volvo owners - those that think the cars are safe, and they drive them cautiously - and those that buy them to make up for their inability to drive safely.
 
2005-07-20 04:17:38 PM  
TheRealShadowspawn forgot to take his reality pill today.
 
2005-07-20 04:22:42 PM  
I don't think that the car is going to compensate for poor driving. Rather its going to sound an alarm or reduce the speed at which you can travel. Granted, I don't think either of these options will stop people from drinking and driving, but at least the will not be going 75 mph.
 
2005-07-20 04:45:50 PM  
I've never met a Volvo driver, ever in my life.
 
2005-07-20 04:51:38 PM  
I've driven drunk plenty of times in my life, and not once have I hit anything or broken driving-related laws. The only time I've ever even been fined for anything involved expired tags.

I really don't see the problem with it.
 
2005-07-20 04:55:01 PM  
I can't imagine any technology that would make driving drunk safe. If we're talking about a noise ("beep" or "you have crossed the center line") that simply alerts a driver to a problem... Well, the driver is drunk. Do you really think their reaction will be any safer to the poor driving that lead up to the warning?

A car would have to be capable of driving itself before it would be safe to let a drunk get behind the wheel.
 
M-G
2005-07-20 05:38:05 PM  
Seems like everyone is missing the point of this. The system is intended to alert the driver for any inattention, whether caused by lack of sleep, cold medicine, or whatever. And they need to test it with people who are actually being inattentive. Simplest way to do that is to have a few drinks.
 
2005-07-20 05:45:52 PM  
My experience with Volvo drivers is as follows:

They suck ass.

Same with Subaru Outback drivers.

Volvo drivers use the fact that they are driving a really safe car to justify driving like a complete ass.

/steps off soapbox
 
2005-07-20 05:57:39 PM  
Do you really think their reaction will be any safer to the poor driving that lead up to the warning?


Well, fortunatley they are on a private track when testing this hypothesis.

Anything short of a fully automated car isn't going to make it safe for most people to get behind the wheel with a .25 BAC, but that's not really the point.
 
2005-07-20 06:24:07 PM  
It did not go into details on what it would do if it determined that your driving ability was impaired, but, lets say that if it does make that determination, it puts on your emergency blinkers, and starts to slowely decelerate your car so that you have no choice but to pull over to the side of the road. Or, just stop in the middle. Maybe not restart the car for 30 min after it shuts down. I have no idea really, just a thought.
 
2005-07-20 06:35:58 PM  
This is cool. Because this provides a biofeedback mechanism and because state-dependent learning is a fact, this machine has the effect of turning you into a better drunk driver. Given enough practice, you could drive stinky-ass drunk and not set off the alarm at all.
 
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