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(Some Guy)   From the get a life department: people complaining about Nazi flag people fly INSIDE their home.   (wtnh.com) divider line 139
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2002-04-13 02:08:39 PM  
"A Jewish woman who jogs by the home says the flag bothers her and she sent a letter off to the couple to question why they have the flag inside their home."

Reply: It's none of your farking business. Stop looking into people's windows you perverted old busy body.
 
2002-04-13 04:50:18 PM  
Wait, you can do that? Just look into peoples houses and then moan about the stuff you don't like?

*drafts letter to neighbour asking what the hell they were thinking when they bought that statue with the overly-generous salami*
 
2002-04-13 06:08:05 PM  
shiat!!!! I hope they did not see my child porn.
That is a joke.
 
2002-04-13 06:10:24 PM  
"A Jewish woman who jogs by the home says the flag bothers her and she sent a letter off to the couple to question why they have the flag inside their home."

Answer: 1. Because they are Nazi's, they didn't hang it cause they think its pretty dumb fark. 2. Why are you looking into houses while you are running??
 
2002-04-13 06:11:12 PM  
Razor-net: She's a slow runner. Thats how.
 
2002-04-13 06:12:01 PM  
"He says some people are offended by it and curious.
What the fark does this mean?
 
2002-04-13 06:14:59 PM  
yea right, its just art. Iv heard that one before
 
2002-04-13 06:16:03 PM  
I'm offended by collectables too. I'm going to complain about any beanie babies I see in someones house.
 
2002-04-13 06:16:37 PM  
Eh, as much as I think people should be allowed to do whatever in their own homes so long as they don't harm anyone else, I think she's got somewhat of a right to complain (although I don't think the state should have to do anything about it). If the guy's a collector of WWII memorabilia, then he's just got bad taste and shouldn't be punished for that. If he's a Nazi, well, personally I rate Nazis in with NAMBLA and any sort of terrorist group, and basically seek to do great damage to America. If the later is the case, I say send the law after them and kick some ass. Religious tolerance is one thing, but allowing people to spread and wallow in hate is another.
 
2002-04-13 06:21:22 PM  


Could it have been this girl?
 
2002-04-13 06:24:07 PM  
There's nothing that a court can do about it. It's freedom of expression, plus it's in their house. He's a collector, there are tons of WWII collectors and authentic Nazi periphenilia (sp) is a huge market. Saying that the guy's a Nazi because he collects memoribilia is just dumb.
 
2002-04-13 06:24:39 PM  
Crotchrocket Slim: How can they have a point when they have to look in their house to see it? If anything the old lady is a peeping tom.
 
2002-04-13 06:27:13 PM  
Oh dear lord, Fb had a son! France surrenders
 
2002-04-13 06:28:52 PM  
Fb's_son: well, if she's running up to the windows and pushing her face up to the glass, then I agree with you. But if it's very promiently displayed (like say from a bigass picture window) and anyone and everyone that casually walks by can see it, maybe then something should be done. And like I said, I make the differentiation between some insensitive collector and mob-lynching white supremacist.
 
R3
2002-04-13 06:32:33 PM  
We should send this woman to visit ManWoman and check out his art: (also seen on Weird Homes TV show here in Canada)


http://www.manwoman.net/
 
2002-04-13 06:33:39 PM  
Think if someone had a picture that declared "Murder the President and Burn Washington". Surely, many of us disagree with various actions of the government, but something like this is terribly irresponsible and completely oversteps Free Speech. In my opinion, people displaying Nazi imagery and declaring "White Power!" are doing the same thing, although if they said something like "German Pride!" and got rid of the Nazi icons, it'd be something constructive, rather than destructive. Nothing wrong with being proud of one's heritage, but it is evil to target someone else because of theirs.
 
2002-04-13 06:33:47 PM  
Maybe the old guy was just having trouble getting the patterns in his house to match, and the nazi flag was the only thing that would give the room just the right accent.
It might have just been a sacrifice to live in a home with proper feng shui.

or maybe old people shouldn't go around sticking their noses in other people's windows.
 
2002-04-13 06:34:39 PM  
If I display the Afgan flag in my home is it wrong?
Or any other country for that matter?
I see your point but it is a free country. It would "possibly" be different if was in the front yard "POSSIBLY"
 
2002-04-13 06:40:17 PM  
Fork: Funny! I actually OWN a copy of that comic...it also covers the evils of both Russia and the hippies...
 
2002-04-13 06:40:55 PM  
Well, the thing that bothers me about the Swastica is that it is a symbol targetting anyone that isn't Aryan, German, Nazi, etc. An Afghani, Chinese, or even Iraqi flag would not necessarilly be targetting anyone (and I'm assuming that the people displaying these icons would be doing so from some sense of pride for their homelands/countries whose culture they have great affection for, and not some anti-American sentiment), and is just expressing their love for another country, but not necessarilly a hatred for this one. A lot of Cuban Americans love and miss their homelands, but they'll be the first to tell you what a bastard Castro is and why they left.
 
go3
2002-04-13 06:41:49 PM  
Stupid, STUPID lady.

Why does the fact that this in Connecticut not surprise me?
 
2002-04-13 06:42:27 PM  
R3 beat me to it.

also..

gentle swastika

A resource and online museum (also by manwoman) about the history (pre nazi) of the swastika. Alot of wonderful, fascinating stuff.

He has a book as well. It's very good.
 
2002-04-13 06:45:39 PM  
sweet fancy moses. get a life
 
2002-04-13 06:48:02 PM  
Actually, Snaguaro's link reminds me of that one symbol the Japanese have had for centuries that resembles a swastika, but it means "medicine" or "good magic" or something along those lines. Displaying those symbols wouldn't necessarilly be in bad taste/evil, but if it's the standard black, red, and white that Hitler used, it's definately racist (excepting for the tasteless collector example). I suppose it all depends on the reasons the flag is being displayed (and how it's being displayed- which will be something for the judges to determine) and the attitudes of the displayer, as much (if not moreso) than the symbols themselves.
 
2002-04-13 06:53:07 PM  
what a controversy, an old woman doesn't like it enough to send a letter and a business owner has heard of it but doesn't care. The world is coming to an end oh no. hey, did you hear that the people with the nazi flag actually buy off brand laundry detergent. what a controversy. their nephew dosn't like it becuase his shirts are never as fluffy as they are with tide, and the priest has never heard of off brand detergent. oh no.
/monotone
 
2002-04-13 06:54:55 PM  
Oh Dear God, could I just live one single day on this earth without hearing anything from some jewish crybaby. I have grown so very tired of all the complaining of anti-semites, nazi's, holocaust, hitler, and swastikas.

If you can't stand the swastika, move to Germany. It's been outlawed there.

No wonder the Israelis can't get along with their neighbors, OH JEBUS what's with all the endless complaining.........
 
2002-04-13 06:56:05 PM  
Sod A Dog: I tried to cover that "tasteless collector" example in my initial post, in which I state "he shouldn't be punished". The Confederate flag, on the other hand, is somewhat of a different symbol, and it really means a lot of different things to many people. As someone from the North, I do rather think that it is a icon of people trying to keep another people enslaved, of a bunch of power-hunger capitalists trying to maintain their powerbase over a disadvantaged Other, and of a group of self-appointed terrorists waging an illegal war against a legitimate government while giving the finger to due process, but remember, I admit to being outside of Souther culture and I respect that it means different things down there (you need not tell me about its significance to the state's rights and all that, I've heard it before, and I am aware that the Civil War was the conflict between two completely different economic regions as much as it was about slavery; don't worry, I don't think everyone's necessarily a racist Down South). Up here though, if you display it, people WILL assume that you are a racist, and will act accordingly, so just be aware of how what can be a symbol of pride for some is seen differently by people in another culture, and please be respectful when you emerse yourself in that culture.
 
2002-04-13 06:56:31 PM  
I reserve the right to display whatever I want for whatever reason I want to on my own property. I also reserve the right to say and think what I want. I also reserve the right to hate who and what I want to. I hate intolerant people, you know, those who don't tolerate the bill of rights. I hate stupid people, I hate annoying people, and I have a list of specific people I hate, none of which are relevant here. You take those rights away from me, and you've weakened your own. Don't like what I'm displaying? Then display something of your own.
 
2002-04-13 06:57:08 PM  
Hoosier: "No wonder the Israelis can't get along with their neighbors" No SHIAT
 
2002-04-13 06:57:43 PM  
Crotchrocket Slim I'm glad people like you are not running the country and cringe every time I hear there's a possibility that it might happen. "People should be allowed to do whatever in their own homes so long as they don't harm anyone else"...so, explain to me again who exactly is she harming by displaying a nazi flag ANYWHERE? "Something like this is terribly irresponsible and completely oversteps Free Speech" how so? And finally, "although I don't think the state should have to do anything about it" followed by "If he's a Nazi...send the law after them and kick some ass." So what if they are Nazi, or Anarchists or even Pinko Commies, why should we send the law to kick their asses if they are just expressing their beliefs and not harming anyone?
 
2002-04-13 06:58:20 PM  
I'm wondering where the guy has it though. If it's in a place where you're not supposed to see it (i.e. living room wall) that's one thing. But if the guy is taping it to his window for all to see, then it's something else. Why would he have it up if its a collectable item (and note: some countries have banned the selling of such "collectables" because it wasn't historians buying them - it was skinhead/neo-nazis doing the shopping). Also the question arises: Is it an authentic-ww2 era flag, which would have historical value, or just some make-up which no one with a historical intent would purchase (save some ww2 recrationists - if they exisist).
 
2002-04-13 06:58:57 PM  
Oh, and watch the ethnic slurs guys... you really contradict yourself when you call someone a "kike" and say that you "aren't racist". Unless that was some joke in poor taste, in which case, nevermind.
 
2002-04-13 07:01:12 PM  
Crotchrocket Slim

Mostly in the south it means you don't like black people.
 
2002-04-13 07:05:07 PM  
Crotchrocket Slim You can stat what different flags stand for all day but you are missing the point. If I am a nazi then I can display what I believe in. "IT IS MY RIGHT"
It is your right to hang a flag of your choice. If it represents a country, group, or a basketball team. It is still your choice. Especially in your own home.
 
2002-04-13 07:11:07 PM  
Going off on a rant about how the jewish population should just stop whining - followed by a bout of racist slurs - and finishing with a current war that has nothing to do with the topic at hand should be punishabled by firing range.

My girlfriend's jewish. I'm not. Does the person have the right to do what he did? Yes. According to our laws when looked at objectively and not subjectively. Do any of the piece of shiat bigots coming on here generalizing a race of people deserve to live? Not if you come within my general vicinity. Keep the topic on track. A shiat ton of you dumb bastards are completely misinformed and uneducated about the situation currently occuring in the Israeli territory and shouldn't be so dense as to relate that event to a topic of Nazism. Flamebait like the aforementioned will be ignored henceforth.

To all the Aryan Nations visitors - to all the Klan's wizards - to all white supremecists as a whole, please allow me to kick your ass out of here and onto your own subcontinent and see how long you last before you destroy yourselves. Birth of a Nation my asshole.

<3

Mr. Jesus
 
2002-04-13 07:13:39 PM  
Mad Pierrot: my examples were meant to demonstrate how sometimes people abuse the 1st Ammendment and thinks that they can say anything, even baseless slander and libel, and be protected under the Bill of Rights, which is not why it's included in the Constitution. Shouting "FIRE!!!" in a crowded building is not covered as being part of "Freedom of Expression", and will get you arrested. One has to be responsible.

And here's my diffentiation between Nazis/racial supremacists in general, Anarchists, and the people you so ignorantly call "Pinko Commies":

Nazi Ideology calls for a constant state of warfare for the state to thrive, as well as for the annhilation of anyone that does not fit into its very narrow view of what is "right" and "good", something which is inherently destructive and frankly evil. Anarchists (the political movement, anyway) just want the government to go away peacefully and rule themselves, not come in and spread disorder. And frankly, I won't even bother writing my thoughts on Communism/Socialism here, but I will say this: Communists don't necessarilly want a bloody revolution (in fact, Marx supposed that America would be one of the few places in the world where this would be unnecessary), just a change in economic systems. If a more Bolshevik style Communist proposed a violent overthrow of the government, however, I'd agree that they should be given the same treatment as the Nazis.

I'm trying to suggest that people need to remember that with a right to expression comes a responsiblity to not use it to harm others, or propose that others be harmed. Just look at Weimar Germany, and how quickly the Nazi movement spread and came into power without anyone holding them back. Getting back to my "shoot the president" analogy, you can say "the president sucks!" or "the government's corrupt!" and bring attention to something that needs to be fixed, benefitting everyone, rather than propose that we destroy the legitimate government of the United States, piss on the ideals of the Founding Fathers, and give up on the few things that makes America a good place to live.
 
2002-04-13 07:17:09 PM  
Crotchrocket Slim since your bio is completely anonymous it must seem safe to express views in conflict with the bill of rights. please note this right is extended to others, even those you disagree with. thank God you do NOT have the right to tell others what they must think. as painful to your PC sensibilties as that may be.
 
2002-04-13 07:17:38 PM  
I guess what I'm trying to say is that Nazis shouldn't have the freedom to express their racist views, simply because these views are anti-American, and an affront to the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and everything they try to teach you in school about American ideology (okay, the last one's weak, sorry). But you guys are right, he does have the right to be a racist piece of shiat bent on turning our great nation into a cesspool, at least as the laws are enforced these days. Please excuse my idealism.
 
2002-04-13 07:21:39 PM  
Hoosier:

Seeing as how you have nothing to add to the discussion, please take forehead and insert into asshole as soon as possible. The short bus will be by to take you to today's destination - Federal Pound Me In The Ass Prison - in roughly one half hour.

Thank you for your input and may your journey through hell be a long and endearing one.

Cheers!
 
2002-04-13 07:22:03 PM  
Curious, it's not that I think we should censor opinions that I disagree with (and don't you DARE call me PC, this is just a small part of my politics), it's that I think racial supremacists should not be allowed to express their opinions and not be punished for it. In my point of view, they are as harmful to society as any rapist, murderer, and child molester, and do we let them off because they "don't think it's wrong", or it's within their belief system to commit these acts? That's the logic behind my argument, not that I can't take an opposing viewpoints. Note that I'm not suggesting that you be sent off to federal pounding in the ass prison with these guys that burn crosses on minoritie's lawns and bomb churches.
 
2002-04-13 07:24:04 PM  
A Short Bus?!!?!?!?!

Oh Shucks, I had my heart set on a WAAAAAAAMBULANCE.
 
2002-04-13 07:25:40 PM  
I do not agree with Crotchrocket Slim's opion on this. THE FLAG WAS IN THE HOUSE "LIKE A PICTURE" as for Oyr at least he has enough of a dick to state his opinion
 
2002-04-13 07:26:36 PM  
Trolls make me tired.

*wham*
 
2002-04-13 07:32:42 PM  
In the same breath, you say, "it's not that I think we should censor opinions that I disagree with", and then you say, "I think racial supremacists should not be allowed to express their opinions and not be punished for it." How do you reconcile these? Is it that you think we should censor opinions that a great deal of people disagree with? Please explain.
 
2002-04-13 07:35:59 PM  
*wham*
 
2002-04-13 07:36:30 PM  
I think people only really think that their opinions are the ones that should be allowed. Even if you opinion is that other's opinionses are allowable, then they alloing of pinions are not really allowed, only the opinions of allowing the opinions are realleey reall.

What?
 
2002-04-13 07:42:56 PM  
Ya know, Strangeless, you're right. *has stroke*
 
2002-04-13 07:46:10 PM  
Crochet? or whatever. Tell taht about the KKK.. ITs perfectly legal to express their thoughts. you can fark yourself. Im gonna hang a kkk flag outside my house. haha
 
2002-04-13 07:46:38 PM  
Strangeless, My head just caved in reading that.

A) First amendment of the constitution, free speech, as long as I'm not inciting panic or violence, no problem. I think Guys in hoods waving Nazi flags and telling people to go kills all the f'ing ni--ers, and the filthy k-kes should have their speech restricted as they are inciting violence. This guy is keeping a Nazi flag as part of a collection as are may WWII veterans. I just finished reading Band of Brothers, and Maj. Richard Winters still uses Hitler's silverware in his house, and he owns numerous "souvenirs" from the war which display swastikas.

B) Constitutionally implied right to privacy. This is displayed in this guy's home. Plain view or not, it's in his house, and he has the right to display what he wants.

C) Since when did it become okay to attempt to quash all views that don't mesh with yours, just because they make you upset?

I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
 
2002-04-13 07:50:46 PM  
From those of us defending constitutional rights to the people talking about Jews:

Stop helping.
 
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