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(Some Worm)   Girl sues school district because she didn't want to dissect a worm. A worm.   ( divider line
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3981 clicks; posted to Main » on 13 Apr 2002 at 5:35 PM (15 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2002-04-13 02:14:54 PM  
"She said computer simulations can show you animal anatomy just as well as dissections."

Well, she has a point. But she's still a stupid biatch.
2002-04-13 05:38:46 PM  
Actually, most schools give you the option to choose not to do such a thing if it bothers you. What's this school's/teacher's problem?
2002-04-13 05:39:02 PM  
Good for her. Worms are good people.
2002-04-13 05:43:52 PM  
She didn't want to touch worms. I'd watch her to see if she's a lesbian when she grows up.
2002-04-13 05:44:26 PM  
I thought everywhere let you opt out of dissections.

I hated dissections. I didn't have moral qualms about ripping open dead things, I just got dizzy and sick from the smell of formaldehyde. After the frog I told my teacher that I couldn't stand the fumes and I was allowed to go to the library and write a paper instead of doing the fetal pig. No problem whatsoever.

So good for her. She's right, you can learn just as much from a computer simulation and you can do it without people throwing frog livers across the room or vomiting.
2002-04-13 05:45:49 PM  
In the interest of the general public, here is what she objects to:

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Wow. What a wuss.
2002-04-13 05:46:30 PM  
Once again proving that Stupid Farking People will sue for anything they think they can get a little money for...
2002-04-13 05:47:04 PM  
i wonder if they were all added up what percentage of fark links would consist of "(blank) sues (blank) for (stupid reason)"
2002-04-13 05:48:02 PM  
No money involved, Lizardking. Just the mandatory policy of dissecting.
2002-04-13 05:49:49 PM  
If I were the judge I'd make her eat one like in Fear Factor.
2002-04-13 05:49:58 PM  
Alternate headline: "School sued by girl for attempting to force her to dissect a worm"
2002-04-13 05:51:23 PM  
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How appropriate.
2002-04-13 05:52:40 PM  
If she was a straight 'A' student, and recieved a 'C' in that class after refusing to dissect the worm, that means that project alone was worth 50% of her grade. What kind of farked up grading system is that?
2002-04-13 05:52:44 PM  
So she don't want to dissect a worm. Tough farking shiat. It is part of learning. She is not a adult she has no say in the matter. There are good reasons children are not allowed to make such decisions until they are of legal age. The primary among them is that kids make stupid choices. If the school feels that there is no longer any educational value to dissecting worms than they can stop it. I suppose this child is also upset because she does not get to sit in the teachers lounge.
Next year she will decide she does not want to read a book or take a test.
2002-04-13 05:53:31 PM  
Foodbunny, our critters in high school weren't in formaldehyde but something called "biosafe." It wasn't nearly as obnoxious, but the smell did have a way of creeping up on you.

I remember when we did tapeworms that the instructor was very careful to remind us to wash our hands, because although a very remote possibility, it was possible that eggs could still infect you. Ick! The ultimate in revenge, eh?
2002-04-13 05:53:33 PM  
Dumb farks.
No matter what for, no computer simulation can ever equal The Real Thing.
You people are on the way down. Byt you know that, of course.
2002-04-13 05:56:09 PM  
Look, to those of you who have or would dissect an animal, objecting to dissection doesn't mean you're a "wuss" or "stupid", ok. I made it through high school without dissecting animals because it goes against my ethical beliefs. I used diagrams and independent research and got among the highest grades in my science classes, including a 5 (highest score) on the Advanced Placement biology test. So, no it's not necessary for learning, as most people played around with the animals and didn't even learn anything from their dissection experiences. I wished I could have pulled an ET and made them all come back to life and hop/run away.
[/animal and human rights]
2002-04-13 05:57:44 PM  
There's that, AnonyMouse. Then there's my 11th grade Biology class that held an infamous frog-parts fight that resulted in 6 suspensions. Ah, memories.
2002-04-13 05:59:29 PM  
CAtfarker Children's rights to refuse to dissect are protected in many states. Don't forget that kids have rights too. Don't equalize refusing to dissect a worm with taking a test. This is more like forcing students who are Muslim of Jewish to eat ham and failing them if they don't.
2002-04-13 05:59:35 PM  
Now this is why "the terrorists have already won"; stupid idiots are too afraid to gut a freaking worm! A motherfarking worthless worm damnit!
2002-04-13 06:00:19 PM  
That's Muslim or Jewish, not "of"....stupid typos
2002-04-13 06:07:00 PM  
Easy to judge... you've never heard a worm scream.
2002-04-13 06:13:28 PM  
you dont have to hear a worm scream to know the difference between right and wrong you big farking arsehole!
2002-04-13 06:17:38 PM  
"My worm went in my mouth and then I ate it. Can I have new one?"
2002-04-13 06:18:03 PM  
2002-04-13 06:20:22 PM  
What a crock of horse shiat. When I was in High School I was forced to take a failing grade on a paper simply because the teacher didn't liek the story I told in (are you ready for this) a creative writing assignment. And it's not because she felt the story was told poorly I got an A on presentation. I got an F because she objected on a moral level. I told the story of a pregnant teen who abandons her kid to 3 teen boys ala 3 men and a baby. (insert hilarity ensues here)She didn't like it because the characters in the story resembled me, my friends, and this dumb biatch (who I was friends with at the time) who got herself pregant (no fb or I wasn't the father it was one of my other friends) Get this she wasn't objecting just because my story was offensive to her morally she objecting, in her own words "For the baby who was too young to defend itsself". After a long fight I ended up having to drop to a non honors class there by farking my class standing by having all honors classes - 1 and haveing to fight my way up to an A in the bonehead class with 3 months left in the year. I should have sued the biatch on the grounds it's not her job to teach me morality. I mean jesus some chick in the class wrote a story about some dude mass murdering his whole family vivdly in detail another dude wrote a story about a man being reincarnated as a woman stripping naked and cursing God. Sure she didn't like them but she jumped on my funny story like a baptist on a strip club. I'm still irked at that because that story was some of the funniest shiat I've every written. (oh and the assignment was to write about teenage problems.) Teen pregnancy I can see and teen suicide I can see but cursing god a teen problem for being reborn as a woman?
2002-04-13 06:22:30 PM  
Considering that courts have ruled on this issue for years now that schools can't force students to dissect animals, the school district should have had an alternative plan.

I did dissect animals, and found the experience to be little better than busywork, quite frankly. I didn't learn anything I didn't already know from the books, and since I had no interest in the medical field or a vet, the project really didn't do much for me.

On the other hand, I was in jr. high, and back then cutting up frogs was cool. Plus, we got to gross out the girls with frog guts, so I guess it did have an upside.
2002-04-13 06:22:47 PM  

...ahhhhhhhh I feel better now.
2002-04-13 06:29:48 PM  
killing worms is fun, you slowly drop them into boling water and they squirm like little farkers it was fun
2002-04-13 06:31:39 PM  
AnonyMouse: from what i remember of the AP bio test, and from what my sister says, who is taking the AP class right now and dissecting is not even in the curricula, you dont need to dissect anything or even look at many diagrams and do alot of research tp get a 5.
2002-04-13 06:38:32 PM  
"..after the victory in court, Laurie and her family went out for burgers, Laurie's favorite food."

Not really from the story...but it probably happened. I don't have any problems with dissecting a frog, or a worm, or small animals, or a midget clown named Frankie-o. They don't even make you kill the frogs/worms anymore. You used to have to pith them. Ever notice how the person who doesn't want to dissect the frogs/worms is female? Well..except in ET..but that movie's a piece of crap anyways...
2002-04-13 06:47:15 PM  
ive got a nice worm for ya.
2002-04-13 06:54:24 PM  
Resident Asian Guy - Well, that botany project that was the subject of the plagiarism scandal at Piper High School was worth 50% of the grade and yet people felt the teacher was right in her grading policy.
2002-04-13 07:02:59 PM  

I'm male, and I failed sophmore biology for refusing to dissect a lamb's lung. I didn't fight it, since I was planning to drop out anyway. It was simply a moral issue for me.

I do, however, eat meat. The logic, you ask? An animal that dies for food goes to good use. There is no computer simulation that can replace the process of eating. Nature itself teaches us that animals are food for other animals. To kill a living creature just for the sake of poking at it and cutting it open seems a little needless to me. Medical schools use software to guide students through the human body, and they also get the bodies of people who either sanctioned such a use of their corpse, or had family members who did. Unless the teacher could provide proof that the lamb died of natural causes and didn't mind being donated to science, I wouldn't do the assignment. She wouldn't even try (natch), and refused to provide an alternative assignment.

Human beings, including children, have the wonderful gift of free will. Intelligent and ethical opinions do not magically become valid at the age of 18.
2002-04-13 07:03:43 PM  
...and I am obviously incapable of closing a bold tag. Damn.
2002-04-13 07:03:51 PM  
Bigdawg: So do you think what the school board did to you was actually fair? Or would you rather eliminate stupid things like that from happening.

Anyway, disecting isn't so bad. I did a worm and grade 10 - really didn't want to, but was actually pretty fun. Too bad the scalple was dull so I kinda smushed some of the worm inards. Then again - I didn't learn a single thing I couldn't have learned from a:
a) textbook
b) computer
c) diagram
d) model

So there really wasn't much point.
2002-04-13 07:10:16 PM  
She was probably feeling guilty for the abortion she had a week earlier.
2002-04-13 07:13:53 PM  
A computer model is just that, a model. If you want to know what something looks like on the inside, you have to open it up. Only then do you get an idea of what is really going on.

When I was in high school I did a worm dissection, then when I got to college, I decided not to dissect since I'd done it before, and I just studied the diagram. After failing the midterm, I decided to go back and dissect the worm, and aced the final.

If you're studying Biology, you've got to open stuff up, that's how it is.
2002-04-13 07:17:38 PM  
"She said computer simulations can show you animal anatomy just as well as dissections."

I know some people have already commented on this, but...


Textbooks and computer simulations usually have pretty colors to help distinguish different organs. Real animals aren't considerate enough to have said color-coding system in their bodies, so it's quite a bit different. Why do you think doctors have to go through years of residency with someone looking over their shoulder before they're allowed to practice on their own? It's because real experience on real bodies is invaluable. I don't care if someone isn't interested in being a doctor/vet/whatever. If you're in a bio class and part of what you learn is anatomy and physiology, disecting an animal is the best way to really learn the stuff.
2002-04-13 07:30:16 PM  
something tells me that that girl is going to be an autopsy specialist when she grows up...
2002-04-13 07:38:35 PM  
Bigdawg You definitely should have sued. I don't know how long ago it was, but you probably still could, and should.
2002-04-13 07:40:39 PM  
she don't wanna cut da worm, she don't haff ta cut da worm.

get off her back.
2002-04-13 07:59:58 PM  
Dissection is a stupid idea. We did sheep brains in biology and mostly people sat there and snapped them apart because they made a popping noise, and we didn't learn a thing about them.

The anatomy class did cats, and some people decorated theirs with multiple ear/eyebrow/tongue piercings. I would hardly call that educational either.

Besides, worms are so tiny - how much can you really learn anyway?
2002-04-13 08:03:30 PM  
Xtrmyorick -

If she was going to become a worm surgeon, then I would see your point. Otherwise....
2002-04-13 08:17:47 PM  

I'd never expect anyone to dissect an animal (or planarian) if it was against their ethical code.

However, you claimed that you passed the class by reading books that had diagrams. Those diagrams had to come from dissection at some point, so therefore...

You benefited from dissection, used that information to pass. Therefore, your argument that dissection isn't neccessary is invalid. Of course, you are correct that requiring *every* student to dissect is not needed. But you haven't supported a blanket condemnation of dissection as a neccessary learning tool.
2002-04-13 08:18:18 PM  
This is outta Vegas...its not like she is going to need to know invertebrate(sp?) biology when she is workin' the strip.
2002-04-13 08:34:00 PM thing keeps nagging at me... people keep shouting and spouting that a model or computer diagram isn't going to work, you have to cut open a worm to see what's inside... i agree full heartedly. What i'd like to know is, how many of you trolls are going to be worm surgeons? anyone? anyone? didn't think so. slicing and dicing pigs and lambs and animals of that nature are understandable... lots of vets perform surgery, especially farm vets. but i've never heard of worm vets...and when someone's pet worm needs a kidney transplant or something, they usually flush it and dig up a new one. so seriously..why does anyone need to know what the insides of a worm look like first hand? molecular biologist? ecologist? well, they can study the worms for the fields that need to know the innards in the college classes required to enter those fields... damn, my brain is hurting from all this thinking...nevermind
2002-04-13 08:34:47 PM  
i think that's the longest post i've ever submitted to a thread...
2002-04-13 08:37:30 PM  
She said computer simulations can show you animal anatomy just as well as dissections.

Maybe so, but could you imagine the costs of buying the program to install on all the computers? Or the money it would cost for all those computers to connect to the internet? You can go outside and pull a worm out of the ground for nothing except a bit of dirt on your hands.

2002-04-13 08:37:35 PM  
Its called the process of learning, real life can never be replaced by computer simulations. I hope to god this whiny brat never ever goes to med school. shiat I want someone who seen inside a real human body to operate on me, not some dude who went thru the manual and a computer sim. You must break eggs in order to make an omlet.

What we need in school is a moment of science.
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