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(News.com.au)   Court determines that rocket launcher is not weapon   (news.com.au) divider line 48
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2005-07-12 12:39:51 AM
Damn straight! They're for wimps! Now a crowbar, THAT'S a weapon!
 
2005-07-12 03:37:16 AM
shhhh....quiet....I'm hunting wabbits
 
2005-07-12 07:06:05 AM
pff! r0ck3ts are 4 t3h n00bs, g4uss rifl3s r t3h shiat!!one!
 
2005-07-12 07:09:50 AM
I'm guessing it's because not everyone can fire one of these.
 
2005-07-12 07:12:16 AM
In other news, rocket jumping determined to be harmless.
 
2005-07-12 07:12:23 AM
Yeah, but they stop me at customs for just one tiny little hand grenade.
 
2005-07-12 07:13:06 AM
Railgun is a man's weapon.
 
2005-07-12 07:14:20 AM


Ragaalasnig' rabutaroo pl'ooooo

Roughly translated.......Bite me Cops!!!!
 
2005-07-12 07:15:22 AM
Rocket launchers dont kill people, rockets do.
 
2005-07-12 07:19:09 AM
Tommy Vercetti said to be very pleased with the decision.
 
2005-07-12 07:21:35 AM
another misquote of the article... Hey... There is no ammunition and their a collectable from the korean war...
 
2005-07-12 07:33:51 AM
No, it's that it isn't a *firearm.*

Judges have to construe possession-type statutes strictly against the state. Don't like the laws you have? Pass new ones. (Or don't, in this case; too bad they don't have the Second Amendment.) If judges are allowed to create "crimes by analogy," none of us are safe.
 
2005-07-12 07:34:52 AM
This is but one absurd way prosecutors in modern societies justify their salaries. The NZ authorities spent a lot of man hours just to keep a law abiding citizen from owning a heavy steel tube. What were they afraid he'd do- go on a wild unlicensed plumbing spree? Speaking of such, I'll bet home made pipe bombs have killed more people the world over than antique rocket launchers for which live rockets aren't made or sold.

 
2005-07-12 07:45:46 AM
A rocket launcher isn't a weapon? Dang, have I been using mine wrong!
 
2005-07-12 07:51:12 AM
Galland: Hey, watch it, heavy metal tubes/pipes have been part of the justification of going to war before.
 
2005-07-12 08:06:50 AM
Put this guy on the US Supreme Court
 
2005-07-12 08:06:55 AM
we need to do away with plastics, metals, stones, and anything that could ever be fashioned into any sort of instrument used to harm another person.... or if there isn't the budget for that we can just tie everyone down or saw their hands and feet off and use an elaborate teeth pulley system to ambulate.
 
2005-07-12 08:07:06 AM
the point of this article is that judges don't make legislation, they just enforce existing legislation. Just remember that when someone is screaming about "activist judges".
 
2005-07-12 08:10:36 AM
What about trebuchets?

/most fun way invented to rid oneself of unwanted melons and squash
//slashiness ensues
 
2005-07-12 08:12:41 AM
Can I put one on my car now?

/wants to be James Bond
//only has a Ford Probe.
 
2005-07-12 08:17:33 AM
It should be pointed out here, that this happened in Tasmania.. the root of our gun control in Australia, is from the aftermath of the Port Arthur shooting, where (from memory) 35 ppl were shot in a cafe by a nutcase..
It should also be pointed out that the fully-automatic assault rifle that this nutcase used, was a prohibited weapon which had been handed into the police, then stolen before destruction by a corrupt cop, who then sold it to said nutcase..
After nutcase uses illegally purchased/stolen, prohibited weapon in mass killing, government decides to pass strict gun laws..
Imagine similar situation in the US, if columbine students had purchased their weapons from police who collected prohibited weapons that were handed in to be destroyed..

Having said all that, a butterknife or a rope can be a weapon, if used as such.. even a car can be considered a weapon (hence hitting someone with a car, is assault with deadly weapon).. if this is really 'historical', theres no reason it couldnt be properly disabled, without destroying it.
 
2005-07-12 08:21:57 AM


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2005-07-12 08:23:00 AM
Having said all that, a butterknife or a rope can be a weapon, if used as such.. even a car can be considered a weapon (hence hitting someone with a car, is assault with deadly weapon).. if this is really 'historical', theres no reason it couldnt be properly disabled, without destroying it.

It is disabled. It won't work without ammunition, and ammunition is no longer available. Problem solved.

It would in fact be easier to design a launcher from scratch, and build ammunition for that launcher*, than to try and build something for this thing.

*Don't ask me how I know.
 
2005-07-12 08:23:35 AM
cougar1701: Put this guy on the US Supreme Court

No kidding. I guess judicial activism hasn't reached Tasmania yet. I'm sure an American judge would have found a way to convict him.

scuffer:

It should be pointed out here, that this happened in Tasmania.. the root of our gun control in Australia, is from the aftermath of the Port Arthur shooting, where (from memory) 35 ppl were shot in a cafe by a nutcase..
It should also be pointed out that the fully-automatic assault rifle that this nutcase used, was a prohibited weapon which had been handed into the police, then stolen before destruction by a corrupt cop, who then sold it to said nutcase..
After nutcase uses illegally purchased/stolen, prohibited weapon in mass killing, government decides to pass strict gun laws..


So... the guy breaks the law to get his gun and the solution is more laws?
 
2005-07-12 08:25:09 AM
I should also point out that if someone points one at you, if you can see through the (very large) tube, it is obviously unloaded. So it isn't like you would scare anyone with the thing.
 
2005-07-12 08:35:12 AM
Here comes the helicopter -- second time today
Everybody scatters and hopes it goes away
How many kids they've murdered only God can say
If I had a rocket launcher...I'd make somebody pay

I don't believe in guarded borders and I don't believe in hate
I don't believe in generals or their stinking torture states
And when I talk with the survivors of things too sickening to relate
If I had a rocket launcher...I would retaliate

On the Rio Lacantun, one hundred thousand wait
To fall down from starvation -- or some less humane fate
Cry for guatemala, with a corpse in every gate
If I had a rocket launcher...I would not hesitate

I want to raise every voice -- at least I've got to try
Every time I think about it water rises to my eyes.
Situation desperate, echoes of the victims cry
If I had a rocket launcher...Some son of a biatch would die
 
2005-07-12 08:40:24 AM
scuffer: the root of our gun control in Australia, is from the aftermath of the Port Arthur shooting, where (from memory) 35 ppl were shot in a cafe by a nutcase

Well, at least that's better than being shot in the nutcase nearby a cafe.
 
2005-07-12 08:42:12 AM
dittybopper

I should also point out that if someone points one at you, if you can see through the (very large) tube, it is obviously unloaded. So it isn't like you would scare anyone with the thing.
People are stupid and will be afraid of anything remotely dangerous.

 
2005-07-12 08:50:14 AM
the aSSaSSin: I'm guessing it's because not everyone can fire one of these.


YOu're joking right? The venerable RPG is dead simple. Unless you are teh touched, you can fire it.

Gary Blecher surrenders.
 
2005-07-12 09:16:16 AM
cool, lets aim it at the White House and see what happens...
 
2005-07-12 09:24:43 AM
Was gonna say that a rocket launcher tube is like a rifle stock without the action, but that made no sense. you stil have the action in a spent rocket tube.

So I'm thinkin now that the rocketlauncher is like a rifle without a bullet, and I can see why the Oz authorities blew a gasket considering their nannystate weapons laws.

Course I'm not against private citizens having rocket launchers and rockets if treated like a machine gun is treated in the US. I'm not prone to believe that just because something can be used illegally it will be. i.e. just because I've a twig and berries doesn't mean I'll become a rapist so my boys have to be cut off for society's protection or that my wife's hoohoo has to be sewn up so she won't prostitute herself. ab absurdum

/don't get me started on private citizens and tactical nuclear weapons- imagine how kind we'd be to each other if we were afraid the disenfranchised might glaze us in our sleep!
 
2005-07-12 09:32:14 AM
I bet in Tasmania there's someone with a bunch of rockets going.. damn if only I had a rocket launcher.
 
2005-07-12 09:37:16 AM
don't get me started on private citizens and tactical nuclear weapons- imagine how kind we'd be to each other if we were afraid the disenfranchised might glaze us in our sleep!


I think the present state of science education might make the threat of privately owned nuclear weapons a moot point. ;)

/tongue_in_cheek

I remember when we asked our ninth grade science teacher if he had all the necessary ingredients/components in his chemical storage room to build a nuclear bomb. He had to sit and think about it a moment before he gave us an answer. That was very cool.
 
2005-07-12 09:41:50 AM
You can buy rocket launchers at army surplus stores in the US. No permit needed. Can't do much with it other than frighten the neighbors. It's basically a big tube with a handle on it. I believe the modern ones were not designed to be reloaded.
 
2005-07-12 09:50:13 AM
Magnificent_Bastard: So... the guy breaks the law to get his gun and the solution is more laws?

Well, sorry to invoke Columbine, but... Those kids broke plenty of laws to get their guns that they used, but in the aftermath everyone called for more gun laws. Apparently, the fact that none of the new laws would of or could have prevented what happened entered into the thinking.

That's the thing I don't understand, if you already have laws that aren't even being enforced, why would you think adding more new laws could possibly solve anything???? And, no matter how many laws you pass, if somebody is motivated to do something to that degree, then I doubt they really care that they are breaking any laws, so, the laws are pretty much useless, except to hound the law abiding people who actually do follow pesky laws.

// Nothing new here
// Laws exist only to have something to charge people with AFTER they are caught (and to confound law-abiding people)
// Laws don't deter crime, people with shotguns and big dogs DO deter crime (go figure?)
 
2005-07-12 10:04:07 AM
enemyplanet:

Well, sorry to invoke Columbine, but... Those kids broke plenty of laws to get their guns that they used, but in the aftermath everyone called for more gun laws. Apparently, the fact that none of the new laws would of or could have prevented what happened entered into the thinking.

That's the thing I don't understand, if you already have laws that aren't even being enforced, why would you think adding more new laws could possibly solve anything???? And, no matter how many laws you pass, if somebody is motivated to do something to that degree, then I doubt they really care that they are breaking any laws, so, the laws are pretty much useless, except to hound the law abiding people who actually do follow pesky laws.


That was my point, exactly.
 
2005-07-12 10:10:47 AM
RAWKET LAWNCHAIR!!
 
2005-07-12 10:30:05 AM


Gordon Freeman approves.
 
2005-07-12 10:36:28 AM
the aSSaSSin

I'm guessing it's because not everyone can fire one of these.

Actually, if the launcher had live ammo and the launcher itself worked properly it is incredibly easy to fire.
 
2005-07-12 10:37:09 AM
That's the thing I don't understand, if you already have laws that aren't even being enforced, why would you think adding more new laws could possibly solve anything????

I've never liked the 'enforce the laws on the books' argument because it implies these laws are good and that they serve a useful purpose in the prevention of crime. A great majority of the 'laws on the books' do nothing to stop crime and a lot to endanger the welfare of folks who want nothing more than to plink at tin cans.
 
2005-07-12 10:54:21 AM
Spud Boy: I believe the modern ones were not designed to be reloaded.

If by "modern ones", you mean the M136 AT4, it is reloadable. However, I've been out since 1999, so something newer may replaced it.
 
2005-07-12 11:32:24 AM
I think spud is talking about LAW tubes. You can pick those up at surplus stores too.
Finally a court I can agree with.
 
2005-07-12 11:55:03 AM
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2005-07-12 12:59:40 PM
Every once in a while, I see a news report that they found a rocket launcher when they did some raid or at a gun show, when you finally see the launcher, it is a spent LAW tube. The ignorance TV reporters have about weapons of any kind would be annoying by itself, but then they go on to spew about "solutions" when they don't even know what they are talking about is almost criminal.
 
2005-07-12 01:26:23 PM
Galland,

He had to sit and think about it a moment before he gave us an answer.

If he really had to think about it he should be arrested. He has something he shouldnt be possessing. Or he is stupid and thought in the wrong order (there are some obvious things needed that shouldnt be in a chemical storage room).
 
2005-07-12 01:27:06 PM
O NOES! PW3ND BY ROWKAT LAWCHAIR!@!@@ ! OLOLOLOLOOLLOLOL!!!@#@!$!!!
 
2005-07-12 01:37:17 PM
"crimes by analogy," = precedence

welcome to America
/sorry mod
 
2005-07-12 02:18:13 PM
You can have my launchtube when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.

Is that a rocket launcher in your pocket or are you happy to see me?

/cliche's R us
 
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