2005-07-11 08:03:11 PM Alphax
Sincerity or not, what has she DONE to earn such bile? I tend to judge people by their actions. Has she killed anyone? Started any wars? Hurt our economy? Tossed aside international treaties? Restricted our freedoms? I don't think Hillary has done any of these, but Bush has done all of these and more. For Iraq alone, I will never forgive him.

Let me dodge your question and pose another for a second. What has she done to earn such highg regard? She carpetbagged her way into the Senate through New York... (Still amazed at that one..) She devised and try to sell a plan to the American people that would have destroyed the last remnants of the health-care system we actually have left in this country.. (I pay my own insurance, and I pay for my own medicine.. by choice.) I think doctors should be paid for their skills.. I think that the free market will provide the best health options for people of all economic backgrounds... Hillary seeks power for power's sake.

To answer your question... I am not a Bush apologist. I never said or infered such in previous posts. Just because I think Hillary is a shiat-covered tool, does not mean I support W.

LincolnLogolas
Will Smith has a rap career?

HAD.

Forty-Three:

So do you think that Condi would have any shot at winning the Republican nomination for president, or that Powell was taken seriously by anyone in the administration before he left?


No. Yes. I also don't think Hillary has any chance at the Democrat nomination.

swahnhennessy
Serutan spelled backwards is Natures.

Jesus, I thought I was the only one that had that running around his head. Why does it stay in our heads? It's like a half-joke or something.

/believe it or don't

Johnson
Tinian: "/Osama Obama..."

Wow, you are real ignorant backwoods bigot aren't you?

i wondered where that name came from and googled the internet. wow...Ted Kennedy said that

Hillary does the same crap Bill did. She leans her boner way left, but pulls it to the right when it's politically expedient. The duplicity is maddening. I dig the Mad mag reference though.

swahnhennessy

brandoj:

If I'm not mistaken, you are trying to communicate in some sort of secret code language to your homeworld. If my deciphering is correct, it reads "I am a total tool who has no sense of reality, no logical thought process whatsoever, but i like to invent paranoid and ridiculous outlooks on life that self-gratify my close-to-certifiably-insane mind."


This coming from a guy who claims Schiavo's vegetative state was "questionable".

I'm glad you should bring that up, I inserted the word "questionable" while I was editing that guy's quote for a mostly humorous effect. Admittedly, her vegitative state was pretty solid, it was just a short way of conveying the bigger idea that some people extend human rights to a different precipice than others. I personally prefer to err on the side of caution.

atlanta_ufo:

clinton believed in Iraq's WMDs so he must have used the same faulty intel as Bush.

Yes, only Clinton obviously didn't think that intel was reliable enough to base a war on.

2005-07-11 08:16:06 PM ZeroCorpse [TotalFark]
This is what conservatives do: When they can't defend their foulness, they dogpile on the person who points it out.

That's interesting, considering you completely ignored my response to your dungpile of a post.

ZeroCorpse

Yeah, I attacked you as a writer b/c the ideas you wrote were baseless. I'd be glad to argue against you if you'd like to embrace sanity and raw facts. See my fellow "pit bulls" supra.

Bush: Making America Dumber!

Zoultan:

Hillary does the same crap Bill did. She leans her boner way left, but pulls it to the right when it's politically expedient. The duplicity is maddening. I dig the Mad mag reference though.

That's pretty much all politicians. That's why I like the independents as they seem the only principled politicians left. That's probably why they don't win much.

I always thought he was more like Urkel:

Take a record surplus and run up a record deficit in 4 years?

"Did I do that?"

Attack a country who didn't have the capability of attacking anyone else?

"Did I do that?"

Nominate right wing whack jobs to important government posts?

"Did I do that?"

VideoVader [TotalFark]

jayday
Trolls, they be everywhere!!!!

Gah, you shoulda seen the thread from Right Wing News earlier. Took one look and realized it wasn't even worth the trouble of posting. At least this thread makes mention of Spy vs. Spy. :P

Yeah but.....but.....I'm a Republican!!!!!!!

/Actually Conservative/Liberal Independent
//I go both ways.
///Oh yeah that last line aint askin for trouble.
////Slashy slash slash slew

MWeather:

Yes, only Clinton obviously didn't think that intel was reliable enough to base a war on.


What exactly is bombing a foreign country then?

ZeroCorpse:

Osama Obama? That may be the single most racist, bigoted, offensive thing anyone on your side has ever said.

Thanks for the laugh.

That's what Ted Kennedy called him -- I'm just repeating his gaffe.

Beligol- nice quote despite the context it came from. Although it is easily dismissed as an opportunistic stab at the sitting pres., it holds up universallythus transcending context.
I suspect, if Roosevelt were confronted with his own words later as a pretext to someone criticizing him, he would (unhappily) acknowledge with a "touche" and own it. Not like today's legal minded avoiders of responsibility.

/registered Republican
// never voted democrat EVER
///not very proud right now

"Let me dodge your question and pose another for a second. What has she done to earn such highg regard?'

Well, the very fact that's she's treated like a war criminal and still goes about her business in public give me a smidgin of respect for her. I've heard her speak on occasion, like the DNC, and she's not bad. I really don't know anything about her health care proposals, but I think the current system is breaking down; I've not had health insurance since 2002, and my preacher's wife moved out of state to keep practicing medicine, because she couldn't afford the premiums here in Missouri. (her husband is still here!)

MWeather
atlanta_ufo: clinton believed in Iraq's WMDs so he must have used the same faulty intel as Bush.

Yes, only Clinton obviously didn't think that intel was reliable enough to base a war on.

wow...may not have declared war but he was bombing the cr*p out of them...
Between 1999 and 2001, the U.S. and British-led air forces in Iraq dropped 1.3 million pounds of bombs in response to purported violations of the no-fly zones and anti-aircraft fire from Saddam Hussein.

2005-07-11 07:55:34 PM jayday

Psych class during college we had to read about women in combat during the cold war.
Study showed that women manning missile silos were about 3x more likely to launch the missiles then men were.

elchip
3 x 0 = 0?


No women manning silos in the 80's?
Dont be so sure about that.

Planterz

Umm, please, please never quote Glen Beck and expect to be taken seriously. Thanks.

Clavis

I can't speak for Republicans (I'm registered non-partisan), but I find Hillary irritating for the same reason I find Melissa Rivers irritating: she got fame from her name, people now idolize her for no reason other than that people idolize her, and everybody acts like her celebrity is earned.

What is Hillary famous for? A failed attempt at medicare reform, scandals, her husband, and an unremarkable left-leaning record in the Senate, the election for which she won only because Giuliani fell ill. What is Melissa Rivers famous for? Her mother (from whom she received no talent) and her ability to make wisecracks about celebrity dresses.

With both of these people, you just have to wonder: what do these people actually DO?

2005-07-11 08:20:50 PM ZeroCorpse [TotalFark]
If Fark were an audible forum, though, I'd fart in your general direction and give your post the response it deserves.


Well... that about says it all.

Sorry for wasting your precious time O Great One.

/whatever.

2005-07-11 08:23:34 PM jayday

No women manning silos in the 80's?
Dont be so sure about that.

er, I'm sorry. I was thinking "nuke silos" and meant "three times as likely to do something that never occured" (something of course being launching nukes at communist states).

Wasn't thinking "non-nuclear missile silos."

ZeroCorpse
The conservatives, however, are saying it intentionally, and with malice. They're afraid of a black President who doesn't serve some panel of old white men.

not sure that is the case...i remember there was a push for colin powell to run for president and he didn't want to. also, clinton, kerry and gore had chances to pick a minority VP and none did. personally, i'd like to see hillary and condi rice go at it in 2008

Got it.

/83
//We're talking about incontinence, right?

jayday
Yeah but.....but.....I'm a Republican!!!!!!!

Actually, I meant that I took one look at the THREAD and realized it wasn't worth the trouble of posting. The article itself actually had some debate-worthy content, but trolling in the thread was so dense that attempting actual discussion was a lost cause. :P

Zero Corpse: In case you missed it the first time.

2005-07-11 08:06:41 PM skylabdown

2005-07-11 07:56:25 PM ZeroCorpse [TotalFark]
Republicans are afraid of black men with library cards, women who don't have to deal with a glass ceiling, and poor people with unrestricted access to polling places.

Please stop that rhetoric.. you are making yourself look foolish. Liberals are the ones afraid of "black men with library cards." Have you read any books by Thomas Sowell or Walter E. Williams? Do you know that Michael Steele (R) is the first Black Lt. Gov. in Maryland history even though MD has been a completely Democrat-run state (save Agnew) for 40+ years? Have you ever heard of Clarence Thomas? Do you think he put pubic hairs on coke cans? Do you believe that blacks should shut up and stay on the political plantation built by liberals?

You have no time for blacks that don't buy into your crap.

I can see why you wouldn't want to respond to it..

Beligol said:

Do you libs even realize that when Roosevelt said that, HE WASN'T PRESIDENT? That he was in a campaign against the sitting president. SO farking of course he says he can say bad things about the President.

You've just revealed a lot more about your character than you probably wanted to reveal.

What you've shown, is that when evaluating ANY statement, you immediately base your opinion of the statement based upon the circumstances of the person who made the statement.

That says a lot about you, and it's not at all flattering to you.

Now, here's a free lesson on how liberals think: When we evaluate a statement, we base our opinion of the statement upon the truth or un-truth of the statement itself.

Truth is truth. Facts are facts. I don't care if a statement was made by Genghis Khan, Attila the Hun, Adolf Hitler, Gandhi, or Mother Theresa.... what matters to me is whether the statement is true or not.

When you get to the point in your life where you're able to evaluate statements for truth and accuracy, without making knee-jerk reactions based on who made the statement, then maybe you'll be a mature and complete human being.

Until then, I guess you'll remain a hardcore Bushie.

:)

Major Thomb
Oh please. That's standard procedure for sound bite politics from all sides. Micheal Moore made a whole movie of nothing but that and people actually paid to see it.

What's your point?

- That the "people of faith" that make up the Bush Admin. are political animals and aren't really any more moral or godly than those nasty secularist commie libtards?

- That it's okay for members of the administration to play as fast and loose with the facts as a comedic filmmaker?

- That the ends -- political success -- justify any and all means, if you can get away with it?

- That a citizen protesting what he legitimately feels is an unjust and counterproductive war through humor and artistic license (and whatever happened to all the lawsuits MM was prepared to weather when your factcheckers found all the glaring inaccuracies in F9/11?) is equal in morality to the administration using dirty tricks and lawyerly razor-skating to enact their agenda while poisoning the well of political rhetoric and polarizing the cultural landscape for the sake of 8 years in the White House.

Shame on you.

If you'd asked me in 1999 who I'd've rather had for President, I'd've listed these three people in the following order:

way out in front 1. Colin Powell
2. Condi Rice
distant 3. Hillary Clinton

I would've cheered for President Powell back then. I would have felt it was a huge step forward for our nation. (A black woman was a little too much to hope for.) Powell might have been moderate, reasonable and sane. (I certainly doubt he would've appointed Ashcroft, for example.) Post-UN performance, however, I'm afraid I don't have the confidence in his valor and virtue I once did. I don't think he does, either.

It's so funny how your mind has lost all the memories from 2000 when Michael Moore was insisting, along with his bud Ralph Nader, that GWB and Al Gore were in all important ways identical. That doesn't sound like the "liberal Democrats" were any kind of ideological monolith at that point, and they still aren't.


...to stop lying that there is.

Another one under 30 that got it
/20

Clinton joked and the GOP choked.

Alphax

Well, the very fact that's she's treated like a war criminal and still goes about her business in public give me a smidgin of respect for her.

I....she.....but......you cant.....dude....WTF.

/Put down the paint.
//Set down the bag
///Quit the huffin' its killen da brains.
////Gah......You really hurt the slashies with that one Alphax
///////////// We be Slashin mon' we be slashin'...Even Bob Marley likes the Slashes Mon'

Clavis:

Hey, has anyone else noticed how much attention Hillary's getting for two sentences that were meant as a lame joke?

Senator Dick Turban (D. Bizaro World) outdid her with one:

If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags or some mad regime Pol Pot or others that had no concern for human beings.

Say it loud and say it proud.

/2000
//2002
///2004
////we're on a roll

Alphax said:

Well, the very fact that's she's treated like a war criminal and still goes about her business in public give me a smidgin of respect for her.

She gets treated like Henry Kissinger????

;)

Major Thomb
Hillary does the same crap Bill did. She leans her boner way left, but pulls it to the right when it's politically expedient. The duplicity is maddening. I dig the Mad mag reference though.

That's pretty much all politicians. That's why I like the independents as they seem the only principled politicians left. That's probably why they don't win much.

Your right. Most are that way. However, Bush seems to piss the leftwing off, by being up front right all the time in an inarticulate way.

Holy political she said / he said forum!

/Abandon Thread, I say again Abandon Thread!
//Wasn't MAD in here somewhere?

She gets treated like Henry Kissinger????

well she certainly doesn't get the same glowing endorsement from the white house as rove. oh yeah, he'll never be indicted for treason so i guess he's not a war criminal.

Tinian, Durban's statement, after reading an FBI report, is rather accurate, it does sound like something that bad people do. If you're upset, why don't you get upset at the people who did the torture?

VideoVader

Never said his solutions had to be quick or easy. Just said he needed some actual original ideas to put forth, and he failed. The only new thing he suggested was to try to get European troops involved in the reconstruction efforts, even though Chirac and Schroeder had already said that they wouldn't be sending troops to Iraq even if Kerry were elected.

With regards to Iraq, why should he have had to come up with a "new" idea if he thought that, at the time, there wasn't much that could be done to improve the situation? How, in any way, is it his fault if there were, at that time, no other viable courses of action in Iraq? Has anyone on the planet come up with a viable plan that couldn't be called the same as Bush's simple "Stay until the job is done"? In fact, stating it so simply is really part of his (or Rove's) political genious. The only two options an opponent has is to either "cut and run" or offer a plan that, in its simplest form is the same as his and therefore the opponent "has no new ideas".

As for the foreign troops thing, the troops don't have to go to Iraq to help with training. I'm not exactly sure, but last I heard the current administration hasn't made use of all of the foreign offers for help with training. I understand that this might be a minor point, but it's important to be meticulous about the details

As for non-Iraq issues, he had plenty of new ideas. It's just that most of you had made up your minds ahead of time and didn't care what he had to say.

Found this while trying to find relevant stuff to post.

Mann Coulter gets down

/not really relevant

I would vote for any female or minority democrat or republican running for the presidency..and could guarantee that things wouldnt get worse than they already are.

/not a minority or a female

VideoVader
I can't speak for Republicans (I'm registered non-partisan), but I find Hillary irritating for the same reason I find Melissa Rivers irritating: she got fame from her name, people now idolize her for no reason other than that people idolize her, and everybody acts like her celebrity is earned.

What is Hillary famous for? A failed attempt at medicare reform, scandals, her husband, and an unremarkable left-leaning record in the Senate, the election for which she won only because Giuliani fell ill. What is Melissa Rivers famous for? Her mother (from whom she received no talent) and her ability to make wisecracks about celebrity dresses.

With both of these people, you just have to wonder: what do these people actually DO?

That's a very fair answer. One thing I've noticed in this thread is that the loony right-wingers (you, of course, not being among them) seem to assume that, as usual, there are only two sides:

1. You hate Hillary with a passion and your wallpaper is that PhotoShop of Giuliani pushing Hillary onto the railroad tracks;



or
2. You think Hillary is the greatest statesperson since George Washington and she should be made President-for-Life immediately by impeaching Bush, and also you want to fellate her.

Now, obviously, anyone who hasn't been made retarded by listening to talk radio knows that the real world and most reasonable people are somewhere in between. Hillary is a political animal. But guess what? She's in politics! Just about every complaint they've made, when you actually get past the insults and adjectives, is about a typical common technique that someone like Hang On Voltaire would happily defend if you told him Dick Cheney or Tom DeLay had pulled it.

I don't particularly care for Hillary; I'm not a booster of hers. But to complain that she's done nothing worthy of her Senate Seat is about as valid is complaining that Gov. Schwarznegger is unworthy of his current position. Actually, come to think of it, Hillary's done a lot more in politics for a lot longer, and even has a background in law -- yet I don't hear people screaming for Ahnold's death, or calling him the Antichrist, the way people seem to with Hillary.

I mean, right-wingers starting long-term campaigns to "Stop Hillary Now!"? Jesus H. Christ. Love thine enemy as thyself?


...to stop the BS.

This thread needs more Spy vs. Spy.

elchip
er, I'm sorry. I was thinking "nuke silos" and meant "three times as likely to do something that never occured" (something of course being launching nukes at communist states).

Wasn't thinking "non-nuclear missile silos."

Ehhh..think about now....you think there are no women now at those sights....

Anyway point wasnt about a missile launch anyway.
More about peoples predisposition to coming events based on ignorance, not fact.

/Whew....did I just write that......Wow
//The brains aint so broken after all.
///Think I'll join Alphax with the huffin' after all
////Silver or Gold paint ...thats the question.
////////Slashes more fun in a bundle.

No women manning silos in the 80's?

Wouldn't they be 'womanning' the silos?

/got nothin'

Hillary = Chipmunk