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(AP)   Arizona high school to go all wireless. Laptops will need to be covered in a brown paper bag or similar approved means of protection   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 76
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2005-07-11 09:20:09 AM  
Nicely played... *golf clap*
 
2005-07-11 09:20:20 AM  
Being ranked right up there with Alabama as far as education quality, wireless makes perfect (non)sense of tax dollars.
 
2005-07-11 09:35:16 AM  
robmilmel

It really all depends on what part of Arizona you're from. I grew up in the Tempe/Chandler area and feel like I got a decent education. However, when they take the state average they have to factor in the 'middle of the desert' places that are very poor and don't have the same learning environments.
 
2005-07-11 11:22:00 AM  
Niiice headline, that takes me back to the good old days.
Remember students; no carrying bookbags. Oh and no going to your lockers either, unless it's like, the end of the day or something.
 
2005-07-11 11:32:10 AM  
Wow. I had entirely forgotten the annual fall rite of passage which was covering 53 textbooks with grocery bags.

What then followed was the only two weeks of the year that spiral notebooks had no frazzled edge-pieces hanging out and no [choose one: bubble letters or Metallica logos] scrawled liberally across their covers.
 
2005-07-11 01:47:39 PM  
paper-baggin' the text books...that takes me back...

waitaminute...i hated high school! thanks a lot, submitter. back to therapy for me.
 
2005-07-11 01:48:56 PM  
What a waste, those kids will just crack the filters and download porn through googles image search. hmmm, maybe kids do learn in school?
 
2005-07-11 01:51:30 PM  
Yes, because we all know that technology is the fix all for a education problems. Nevermind that most kids couldn't care less about learning and will spend their time using the laptops to IM each other, infecting themselves and their friends with virii, and downloading porn.

Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...

/one of those pesky book nerds.
 
2005-07-11 01:52:32 PM  
did you like draw a battle scene all on the cover of your wrapping? cause i did
 
2005-07-11 01:52:46 PM  
That was one of my favorite things about the first week of school. I made some rocking book covers. Also, a new batch of Pee-Chee folders always brightened up my day.

/total nerd
 
2005-07-11 01:53:16 PM  
I'm curious how long it will take some mischevious student to hide wi-fi jammers all over the campus.
 
2005-07-11 01:53:25 PM  
haha nerds I just slapped your books on the floor. Oh wait.....we use laptops now and I just destroyed an expensive piece of property?
 
2005-07-11 01:53:50 PM  
Gotta come down with GODBLESS TEXAS. It isn't like we're trying to impart complicated material here.
 
2005-07-11 01:54:33 PM  
Maybe I'm just a cynic, or have not been appropriately brainwashed by the technocrats in charge of school budgets, but do all these computers in schools really teach kids better than teachers and books?
I'm a network admin, so computers are not some scary black box to me, yet I still can't buy into digital education. Just seems like a really huge waste of massive amounts of money, better spent on music, art, and other curricula that rarely seems to have enough budget to support.
//$850 laptops for each student - Sure, good idea.
//$50 worth of art supplies - We don't have the budget for such nonsense.
 
2005-07-11 01:54:50 PM  
Excuse my 24 year old Canadian upbringing but why did you have to wrap your books in brown bags?
 
2005-07-11 01:56:18 PM  
"Excuse my 24 year old Canadian upbringing but why did you have to wrap your books in brown bags?"

Prevent wear and tear, since kids will still be using them 20 years from now.
 
2005-07-11 01:56:26 PM  
Just give them each a TrapperKeeper and send them on their way!
 
2005-07-11 01:57:21 PM  
Moose_Head

To protect the cover from being damaged.
 
2005-07-11 01:58:00 PM  
Hays High School in Hays, Kansas has been doing this for a year or so now. There were a few issues but overall it is a success.
 
2005-07-11 01:58:09 PM  
My screen is broken
My battery died
My S key won't work
I dropped it
I lost it
I lost the cables
It won't turn on
I spilled soda on it
The wireless access point is down
The network is down
My wireless card broke
I can't log in
I forgot my password
I locked myself out
I deleted all my icons
Billy deleted all my icons



Blah. Good luck with this little project.
 
2005-07-11 01:59:07 PM  
Calvin Baker, superintendent of Vail Unified School District, said the move to electronic materials gets teachers away from the habit of simply marching through a textbook each year.

He noted that the AIMS test now makes the state standards the curriculum, not textbooks.


What will Calvin Baker, superintendent of Vail Unified School District, say when parents complain in place of an education, students are just learning how to pass a test? (Shouldn't the curriculum set the standard for the test, not the other way 'round?) Or that students are wasting time learning how to use the computers rather than learning the subject matter?

Why train a whole generation for data entry? I wonder if Arizonians have reserved their seats on the B ark.


/waiting for the rush to dig up old texts when viruses, theft, dropage, HD crashes, rodent droppings, exploding batteries render laptops useless.

 
2005-07-11 01:59:09 PM  
I wish I still had a trapper keeper, that is until the cardboard got wet, and fell out of the front flappy thing. And then the plastic would get all jacked, uh..
\retracts wish
 
2005-07-11 02:00:31 PM  
So I guess when the servers go down they declare it a no learning day cause there's no text books to read? What a bad idea.
 
2005-07-11 02:00:44 PM  
Why is this posted? There are a lot of schools in my area that have been doing this for a few years now. My old high school required all incoming freshmen to have them 2 years ago. Good headline though
 
2005-07-11 02:00:56 PM  
and according to the patriot act.
all notebooks will be checked upon entering the school to be sure the notebook is not a bomb.

imagine all the good stuff to be pulled off the harddrive at the end of the year. bet the school won't allow the students to use a harddrive eraser....
 
2005-07-11 02:01:00 PM  
Unicorns, mostly.
 
2005-07-11 02:04:45 PM  
submitter took me back to my school days. I remember using the Sunday comics page to wrap my books.
 
2005-07-11 02:06:02 PM  
"He noted that the AIMS test..."

So now they're going to be taking their tests via Instant Messaging?
 
2005-07-11 02:06:44 PM  
Now those lazy kids just buy pre-made book covers from Wal Mart, along with their goddamn Lunchables.
 
2005-07-11 02:06:44 PM  
theeagle:

imagine all the good stuff to be pulled off the harddrive at the end of the year. bet the school won't allow the students to use a harddrive eraser....


Good point. Kiddie prawn aplenty!
 
2005-07-11 02:06:55 PM  
I'm proud to say that I went to school in the T.U.S.D. I feel as though I received a very wonderful education there, complete with a lot of computer experience (maybe that's why I'm a geek now???).

I think it's awesome that Vail is willing to do this, however if I remember correctly, that's a magnet school, and I wonder why that wasn't mentioned in the article.
 
2005-07-11 02:14:10 PM  
Personally, I'd rather they spent money on more teachers than a bunch of electronic toys.
 
2005-07-11 02:18:10 PM  
mcmnky

actually, it's not so much dadta-processing. We've been using computers and not text books for a while at my school (granted I'm in college, but we did it in High School too) and we still had to study our butts off. Its not like they just give you a disk with multiple choice questions on it and you fill in the blanks through out the year, they give you textbooks on disks, and reference materials, you still have to study.
 
2005-07-11 02:18:45 PM  
Pop-ups make baby Jeebus cry.
 
2005-07-11 02:18:50 PM  
Just as long as they don't spray paint "Vale Unified Public School District" on the laptops forgetting the "l" in "Public"

A friend of mine accidentally messed up the template for the middle school computers while I was in high school. Although, seeing a bunch of Macs with "Greendale Pubic School" spray painted on them was priceless.
 
2005-07-11 02:18:53 PM  
and I'm also pretty sure I meant to type data-processing, not dadta
 
2005-07-11 02:20:29 PM  
pudding7:

My screen is broken
My battery died
My S key won't work
I dropped it
I lost it
I lost the cables
It won't turn on
I spilled soda on it
The wireless access point is down
The network is down
My wireless card broke
I can't log in
I forgot my password
I locked myself out
I deleted all my icons
Billy deleted all my icons

Blah. Good luck with this little project.


shiat dude, this is what happens when ADULTS are given laptops to use for thier supposedly professional JOBS. Giving them to kids...unless this is some sort of experiment to determine if a new laptop casing is actually ready for combat duty, they're in for a long, long year.
 
2005-07-11 02:36:17 PM  
This reminds me of the days when Windows 3.1 hit the scene. Summer before my freshmen year, my dad made me play with the computer and use typing lessons so I could learn, he'd say "Son, computers are the future and I don't want you to fall behind it". Yea I learned, me and this other kid ended up learning how to hack in to the school system, word spread like wildfire and next thing you know kids were changing grades, sending messages all over the screens. They found out I was one of the first ones to hack but sense I never actually did any of that I only got 1 day suspended. My dad wanted to grond me but was to proud of me for learning the system:)
 
2005-07-11 02:37:07 PM  
pudding7: You've just copied the list of complaints that I have on my company's serverboard. Those poor, poor IT bastards.... they have their work cut out for them.
 
2005-07-11 02:38:05 PM  
My county (Henrico in Virginia, next to Richmond) issues laptops to all high school students (this will be it's fifth year) and middle school students (I think this coming year will be the second or third year they do it). Being a rising senior, I've had a fair amount of experience with the laptops, which have been iBooks for the last four years. Granted, there are a lot of messups. They seem pretty fragile, and if someone else breaks your iBook, you are responsible to pay the 100 dollar fee that, for some reason, isn't included in the insurance fee you have to pay at the beginning of the school year. The internet rarely goes down though, and we can always play games during school.

I liek teh laptops!
 
2005-07-11 02:41:32 PM  
I was going to join the complaints that this is a stupid waste of money (and I use a computer all the time and both kids have their own at home).

But you really can't argue with such hard support as "at the schools with laptops, students were just more engaged than at non-laptop schools"
 
2005-07-11 02:43:02 PM  
kids are more competent with computers than adults in my experience...
 
2005-07-11 02:49:48 PM  
My brother's high school made this decision a couple of years ago. Needless to say, at the end of the year not all the laptops were returned and the ones that were, not all were in the best of conditions.
 
2005-07-11 02:50:15 PM  
LadyCirce

Though the article doesn't specify, it is about a new school in Vail which is slated to open for SY 05-06.
 
2005-07-11 02:53:05 PM  
Bah, why couldn't this have been my school? Cheap ass Tucson Unified School District.

Oh, and a quick correction of the article, starting with the class of 2006, students are required to pass the AIMS test. So it's been a requirement for a while now; not soon to be a requirement.
 
2005-07-11 02:55:54 PM  
My mom's a teacher, and I can really imagine her blowing a gasket at this. Kids don't need brighter colors and more interactive edutainment to survive... school is as much about discipline as it is learning and having to think on your own without electronic interference... ahhh, ah how nice.

Btb, I'm a comp sci consultant, so I'm not just biased.
 
2005-07-11 02:56:19 PM  
I begged for pdf versions of my text books but was told it was not possible. I said that if they printed it then it was possible. Then I was told I just could not have it.
 
2005-07-11 02:57:29 PM  
I REALLY don't get how installing an 802.11 access point is national news, in 2005.
 
2005-07-11 02:57:55 PM  
theeagle: bet the school won't allow the students to use a harddrive eraser.

? What does "allow" have to do with anything? These are laptops; therefore they are portable. It's highly probable that students will be taking these laptops off school grounds. If the students aren't under direct supervision, they could easily change BIOS settings to "boot from CD" and put in an Ultimate Boot CD or Ubuntu CD or something. Then wiping the disk is trivial.

If all the laptops have a BIOS password set, things get a little trickier. It's not difficult to remove the 2.5" disk from most x86 laptops, though, and a relatively cheap 2.5" -> 3.5" adapter then allows you to connect the disk to any desktop machine with PATA connectors. Laptop manuals also tend to have some sort of secret make+model-specific procedure for setting the BIOS password to "" or something. If that's the case, any student with Google could figure out how to do whatever to the machine.

statmanBBB: unless this is some sort of experiment to determine if a new laptop casing is actually ready for combat duty, they're in for a long, long year.

If they're using cheap models from Dull or HPCompaq or Sony, the kids will fsck them up bad. IBMs have better build quality (and spare parts available pretty cheaply, and complete Field Circus manuals freely downloadable in PDF), but I don't think they're strong enough to stand abuse by a 12-year old. Panasonic Toughbooks will withstand a determined assault by a sugar-addled 3-year-old, but those things are expensive, so it's unlikely they're using those.
 
2005-07-11 03:02:27 PM  
My old High School in Greeley CO is also wireless. Odd though that of the 400 computers on the campus, only 2 are mobile. Must be a lot of students with laptops of their own.
 
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