ZAZ:

Dansker

Not even close.

How so?

A nice choice of source -limited information, perfect spur for opinions to come out.

So here's mine: Where does Newspeek claim to be getting credibility to break yet more ground in dubious Bush-bashing? After that last incident where their imprudent choice of anonymous sources resulted in dozens of deaths? Nice job, guys.

Action Replay Nick

I just turned on my TV, and as I suspected, the LIE-beral media is having a field day with this.

Mmmm. And what, exactly, is the LIE-beral media lying about during this field day?

Probably because the real leak would damage the credibility of those the NYT supports. Hmmmm....

This after an entire rant about "speculation" and "coincidences." Funny stuff.

in any case, the story is too convoluted at the moment for there to be any sticking outrage

i can't make heads or tails out of it

i do know people can survive this kind of thing though:

right, sen. patrick leahy?

combustor: Where does Newspeek

Using pseudo-disparaging made-up names does not toward an argument contribute.

Jesus 2.0
Mmmm. And what, exactly, is the LIE-beral media lying about during this field day?

Nothing. I was being facetious. I haven't even seen it mentioned.

I find the denial and cluelessness of the Bush-cocksuckers quite amusing. With the level of incompetence and corruption shown by the Republicans, Democrats will win the white house next time, even running Hillary.

No you jackass, the reason reporters don't reveal their sources is BECAUSE THEY WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION FROM THE SAME OR OTHER SOURCES IN THE FUTURE.

This all happened before the 04 election.

You're telling me they sat on this story all through the election in order to protect rove, the administration he worked for, and - lets not forget - if this information is out there (this is all hypothetical btw) - if this information is out there, karl rove would be out of work and thus useless as a source anyways.

Yea, I don't see that happening either.

Damn censors at Slashdot are refusing to post this story.

Man...this Rove-apologist troll operation is probably costing the taxpayers a pretty penny. There's no way that many idiots could defend this treacherous biatch for free.

If it cost $240K to get Armstrong Wlliams to shill for NCLB...imagine what these apparatchiks must be getting paid to wade into the court of public opinion to defend a traitor during wartime.

Unindicted co-conspirators, the lot of them. Like Aldrich Ames with a fanclub.

omarion, i would hardly call john kerrys war record heroic or the 2000 election stolen. That comic is pretty inaccurate. Rove is evil, but that comic is pretty stupid.

Also, anyone who believes the 9/11 conspiracy theories is an idiot.

"After that last incident where their imprudent choice of anonymous sources resulted in dozens of deaths? Nice job, guys."

First, "dozens" is actually "15-18". Second, those deaths were also proven as faked. Someone went to verify those deaths, couldn't verify a single one. The Koran-flushing was fake, the resulting deaths were fake, the entire incident was lies on top of lies.

combustor

Using your logic, then I assume that you also believe that President Bush is is repsonsible for all of the terrorist attacks that have occurred since he started his ill-concieved war?

So much for that 'acting on proof' thing.

Hmmm. Seem to be getting a lot of use out of this one lately...

spelunking_defenestrator
...holding thier fingers in the dyke...

submitter
Newsweek outs Karl Rove...

oooh...this thread is just full of gay innuendo!! ^_~

/sry if this sounds like tr0lling, but i'm in a silly mood

if we're trolls why the hell does newsweek agree?

Nothing in the Cooper e-mail suggests that Rove used Plame's name or knew she was a covert operative.

whoops you guys must have missed that comment that cleared rove completely

Have we gotten to the part where we blame Bill Clinton yet?

triple: whoops you guys must have missed that comment that cleared rove completely

Are there dues to join the Aldrich Ames Fanclub, or do they pay you?

quite amusing

quite common

Of quite's abuse I am quite guilty
Just as sure as Bounty's quilty
Quite is quite the weasel word
Quite hurts when read quite more when heard
There're quite too many quites we're writing
Continue fighting but quit quite-ing

\\\Sorry for being Way way off topic, but have any Oregon farkers or merry pranksters gone to the country fair yet?



\\\\\Just wonderin =)

2005-07-10 12:25:45 PM Winterborn

It doesn't matter that he doesn't out her by name. Wilson has one wife, as far as we know, and Plame is that wife. Now, saying that Wilson's wife works for the CIA is therefore as good as naming her. Since she is NOC and undercover, naming her as an agent is not excusable. The CIA and Plame chose to keep her identity secret. It was not Rove's right to reveal who she was to bash a Whistleblower.

This article tries to connect the dots in the conspiracy but fails. It does seem to have some useful "dots" though:

- In 1997 Valerie Plame was being courted by a man who had served as a U.S. diplomat in nine countries, many in Africa, and possessed about as high a security clearance as any spy could hope for, but Plame was taking no chances. It was only after several months of dating Ambassador Joseph Wilson that Plame, supposedly a private energy analyst, revealed the name of her true employer: the CIA.

- Plame worked as a spy internationally in more than one role. Fred Rustmann, a former CIA official who put in 24 years as a spymaster and was Plame's boss for a few years, says Plame worked under official cover in Europe in the early 1990s say, as a U.S. embassy attache before switching to nonofficial cover a few years later.

- Plame was never a so-called deep-cover NOC, he said, meaning the agency did not create a complex cover story about her education, background, job, personal life and even hobbies and habits that would stand up to intense scrutiny by foreign governments. "[NOCs] are on corporate rolls, and if anybody calls the corporation, the secretary says, 'Yeah, he works for us,'" says Rustmann. "The degree of backstopping to a NOC's cover is a very good indication of how deep that cover really is."

Rove said Wilson's wife arranged the trip, not the DCIA, not Cheney. Was she doing that in her role as a "private energy analyst"? Still doesn't quote Rove saying Plame worked for the CIA, undercover or otherwise.

if we're trolls why the hell does newsweek agree?

"Trool" is now as meaningless as "tool" thanks to the current generation which seems to need an endless supply of words meaning "asshole".

So what all this amounts to is we have 2 parties full of lairs.

Time for change.



I'm getting good use out of this thing lately.

Prussian_Roulette - In 1997 Valerie Plame was being courted by a man who had served as a U.S. diplomat in nine countries, many in Africa, and possessed about as high a security clearance as any spy could hope for, but Plame was taking no chances. It was only after several months of dating Ambassador Joseph Wilson that Plame, supposedly a private energy analyst, revealed the name of her true employer: the CIA.

- Plame worked as a spy internationally in more than one role. Fred Rustmann, a former CIA official who put in 24 years as a spymaster and was Plame's boss for a few years, says Plame worked under official cover in Europe in the early 1990s say, as a U.S. embassy attache before switching to nonofficial cover a few years later.

- Plame was never a so-called deep-cover NOC, he said, meaning the agency did not create a complex cover story about her education, background, job, personal life and even hobbies and habits that would stand up to intense scrutiny by foreign governments. "[NOCs] are on corporate rolls, and if anybody calls the corporation, the secretary says, 'Yeah, he works for us,'" says Rustmann. "The degree of backstopping to a NOC's cover is a very good indication of how deep that cover really is."

Rove said Wilson's wife arranged the trip, not the DCIA, not Cheney. Was she doing that in her role as a "private energy analyst"? Still doesn't quote Rove saying Plame worked for the CIA, undercover or otherwise.

Thank you!

That contains much of the information I have wondered about.

Karl Rove is too valuable to the Republicans to take the fall. He wins elections for them. He will be protected.

Prediction: the Republicans will close ranks, Rove will take the fifth, and in the end there will be no political consequences for the Republicans nor political benefits for the Democrats.

TURDGATE
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/catapult the propaganda

Nothing in the Cooper e-mail suggests that Rove used Plame's name or knew she was a covert operative.

whoops you guys must have missed that comment that cleared rove completely

Wow, that is so naive. Let's see....

It's like living in a neighborhood where houses keep getting burglarized and one guy in the neighborhood has a long history of theft and breaking into houses, and yet we never suspect it might be him.

You follow this, right? Rove has a long, long history of using these kinds of tactics. W's father fired him from his presidential campaign for doing something strikingly similar to this.

But, yeah, let's protect our team and not assume the obvious.

triple, I am telling you that Judith Miller is not revealing anonymous sources because Judith Miller does not want to be known as the kind of person who reveals anonymous sources.

This doesn't have to do with political orientation, or with Karl Rove. It has to do with (a) personal ambition; and (b)principles regarding what "free press" is.

Let's say she doesn't rat out her source. She will eventually get out of jail. Then, let's say the government is doing something super-secret, like colonizing the moon with homosexual pleasure slaves at taxpayer expense. Someone in the moon-slave conspiracy will say to themselves, "This really should become public knowledge, yet I don't want to step forward and end up 'disappeared' for going on '60-Minutes' with this. What I need to do is tell a reporter who won't tell who I am. And Judith Miller is trustworthy! I know because she went to prison before rather than tell who her sources were!"

And then Judith Miller gets the scoop on the moon-slave scandal.

BearToy:

There has been no need. We're in Afghanistan and Iraq and have surrendered some of our Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms that were getting in the way of empire building. But with recruiting levels so low and only three years to complete the plan by invading Iran, another 9/11 is probably inevitable.

Not sure if my sarcasm got through or not. Just in case it did not, I was being sarcastic. If you were just playing along, my apologies.

This story is all about CYA. Joe Wilson lied about who arranged his trip and what he found, or didn't find. To help prove it was a lie, a Bush ally needed to provide evidence. If it weren't for Joe Wilson's stupid political motivations, we could be dealing with more important issues, like TERRORISM!

Classified information is leaked all the time. It always puts people in danger. That's why it's supposed to stay classified. If Rove is the source of the leak, then he should pay the consequences. He won't though. Because it will be politics as usual with little accountability. He might step down and get a pardon, but that won't stop people from doing it in the future and won't make up for all the times it's happened in the past.

Prussian_Roulette: Still doesn't quote Rove saying Plame worked for the CIA

"it was, KR said, wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency on wmd

Question for you...How's the pay for Apparatchik I?

In training...did they have to re-educate you on reading non-comprehension?

office_despot: And then Judith Miller gets the scoop on the moon-slave scandal.

EXACTLY.

She is almost guaranteed to break a massive story at some point in the future.

FNR_Thomas:

Prediction: the Republicans will close ranks, Rove will take the fifth, and in the end there will be no political consequences for the Republicans nor political benefits for the Democrats.

I'm not so sure... Republicans usually eat their own when it comes to holding 'the moral high ground.'

Either Rove will go underground and work the switches from there or he'll be sent to jail and pardoned at the end of the Bush term (like Clinton [and others] did). I don't see this reaching Bush.

monty666: I hope "Turd Blossom" goes down in flames. That fleshy bastard.

death to all flesh-bearing beings!

and I, for one, welcome our new prune-faced overlords!

Here's what I want to know. Alot of Dems are frothing to get rOve, but this portion of a blog from "AlterNet: Blogs: Peek: More on Rove" (http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/23345/) makes a better case for why this should be investigated from a more intellectual standpoint. Not just kneejerk reactionary "bring'em down" mentality.


" Caught impeding a WMD investigation while were at war and hes still got his job?

Lets think this through for a minute. Karl Rove allegedly outed a CIA operative working on weapons of mass destruction while we are at war. Everyone is talking about him committing perjury when interviewed by the investigators. What about treason? writes Morgaine. He demonstrably impeded the war effort and put agents and others in harms way.

* Does he still have a security clearance? Is he still allowed in the White House?
* Why was a political advisor privy to classified information?
* Should a traitor have access to our pResident in a time of war? Isnt that a breach of security?
* Valerie Plames contacts may have been murdered; will he be charged with causing any deaths that might have resulted?
* Ms. Plames training cost millions of dollars, as did setting up her cover. Is Karl planning to pay that back?
* Did the Justice Department know that Rove was the source of the leak from any of its investigation? How long have they known this and allowed him continued access to the White House?
* Why isnt he in jail?
* Why isnt Robert Novak in jail? If he rolled over on Rove, then, again, why isnt he in jail?
* What did Cheney know and when did he know it?
* What did Bush know and when did he know it?

Members of the Press have apparently known this for months, Isnt anyone doing their job?"

/from John C. Dvorak's weblog, Dvorak Uncensored.

Burnttoast27

Hell Yes - best year ever for me & mine!

Rain chased out the tourists...

Hey ZAZ where did you go?

You said I wasn't even close. Can't you please tell me where I was wrong, so I won't keep spreading this misinformation?

I'll just repeat my summation to facilitate your pointing out my wrongness:

1: The US administration had a fake document they were using to justify a war.

2: Wilson said: "This document is fake, you can't use it to justify a war."

3: The US administration then did the right thing, said: "Thanks for heads up, Wilson" and told the public: " We made a mistake. Please disregard this fake document."

3: The US administration told the press: "Wilson is not trustworthy, and his wife is a CIA agent."

Is that about it?

Even if Rove did nothing illegal, how can anyone think that this is ok?


So where was I wrong, ZAZ, 1, 2 or 3?

inkswamp: Have we gotten to the part where we blame Bill Clinton yet?

Yup, the "He lied about a BJ and it was naughty" tards are out in full force.

Seth_J: So what all this amounts to is we have 2 parties full of lairs

No Seth...what it amounts to is a traitor with code clearance in the White House. He's still there, too.

Normally, someone comes under question for revealing top secret info...they pull his clearance immediately.

Rove is still there. For two years, no less. What does that tell you?

Shame on you, President Rove!

office_despot: And then Judith Miller gets the scoop on the moon-slave scandal.

could I ask for a half pound of cheese, whilest you're up there?

thanks a bunch.

"Prediction: the Republicans will close ranks, Rove will take the fifth, and in the end there will be no political consequences for the Republicans nor political benefits for the Democrats."

Closing ranks is probably what they'll do. However, not all Republicans are going to want to have a hand in this. There are going to be some that wash their hands of the whole thing and join the Democrats in going after Rove. Just how many do so is going to decide whether anything happens to him. If enough jump ship in a Rove investigation, nothing the White House does is going to save Rove except that pardon (which, if given... Bush would not recover.)

triple

Nothing in the Cooper e-mail suggests that Rove used Plame's name or knew she was a covert operative.

whoops you guys must have missed that comment that cleared rove completely

You must use a different dictionary than I do.

(1) Nothing in the email suggests that Rove used Plame's name: Uh, so what? The email does suggest that Rove referred to Joe Wilson's wife as a CIA operative. The name of Joe Wilson's wife is a matter of public record. That does not "completely clear" him; it's just a matter of semantics.

(2) or knew she was a covert operative: Again, so what? That this particular email does not explicitly have Karl Rove saying "I know she was undercover" does not imply that Rove did not know she was undercover. That does not "completely clear" him; it just means that further investigation must be done beyond the contents of this particular email.

Additionally, somebody leaked it to Rove. Rove, who was merely a private citizen at the time, had no authority to know Plame was a CIA agent. Somebody told him. Who?

newsweek quote: But last week, his lawyer, Robert Luskin, confirmed to NEWSWEEK that Rove did and that Rove was the secret source

Now, what part about this do you Rove apologists not understand?