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(Some Guy)   Jury blames doctor's bad penmanship for patient death   (ama-assn.org ) divider line
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2002-04-13 12:58:53 AM  
hi there
 
2002-04-13 01:00:52 AM  
Is there such a thing as a doctor with good penmanship?

dead link? Mine won't load. Somebody with bad penmanship probably wrote the url.
 
2002-04-13 01:01:13 AM  
Looks like Zendil to me. But I am no doctor. Nor am I a pharmacist.
 
2002-04-13 01:01:28 AM  
typical
 
2002-04-13 01:01:34 AM  
Spoke too soon. got it now. good night.
 
2002-04-13 01:03:07 AM  
But seriously, if you are a pharmacologist and you are not sure then you should CALL THE DOCTOR!! asshole.
 
2002-04-13 01:03:53 AM  
hehe look at me im pretty cool
 
2002-04-13 01:04:11 AM  
So Ramon Vasquez was only worth $450k? How much are those mad moon Siamese triplets worth? Did their mother even say? Odessa. Now there's a place.
 
2002-04-13 01:05:54 AM  
Who thinks this is stupid?? The note pretty clearly gives the wrong perscription, and a guy died because of it...
 
2002-04-13 01:08:28 AM  
I got Pendil out of that...But i really don't care
 
lia
2002-04-13 01:08:37 AM  
this isn't stupid......my own pharmacy has to call my Dr. every single time he writes a prescription because his penmanship is chicken scrawl....Also, in some of the largest hospitals they have the doctors and surgeons take penmanship classes that are mandatory....sad that someone had to die b/c of it.
 
2002-04-13 01:10:26 AM  
Agreed, the prescription looks like it could go either way. I dont know if I agree with a monetary award for this person's death. I think something more along the lines of:

a. the doctor loses his practice, and can never practice again, anywhere
b. the pharmacist can never work as a pharmacist again, anywhere

This makes more sense than them owing money. They ruined (read: killed) a life so theirs should be "ruined" in return. Ruined, the way I see it, by not being able to do what they want to do -- make them drop out of their field and start over to be something else.

I hope this makes sense.. I'm pretty hammered at the moment.
 
2002-04-13 01:13:06 AM  
I am with you, Demosthenes42_0 (and not Demosthenes)--it looks like Pendil to me too. In which case the pharmacist messed up anyway!
 
2002-04-13 01:15:20 AM  
either pendil or zendil... but who cares?
 
2002-04-13 01:15:34 AM  
It should be a clue to you if your doctor cant write english properly with a pen.

Being rich and drinking your way through college is how you end up with 'doctors' who cant write much less provide competent care.
 
2002-04-13 01:16:25 AM  
Well it sure as fark isn't Isordil...
 
2002-04-13 01:16:42 AM  
Oh my, anyone else read this in the main article linked at the top of this one?

The overall quality of care Vasquez received from Dr. Kolluru was never at issue. The patient's widow, in fact, plans to continue to see the cardiologist and to refer others to him. Now, she will continue to see him?! As a patient? Wonder how long she (has) lasted....
Or did she mean "see" (wink wink nudge nudge)...in which case, the doc did 'em both a favor by getting the hubby out of the way.
 
2002-04-13 01:17:36 AM  
looks like he was drunk while he wrote that... but yeah; the dumbass pharmacist should've just called and asked about it.
 
2002-04-13 01:20:51 AM  
I think it looks like a butterfly. never mind I was looking at a rorschach test.
 
2002-04-13 01:23:37 AM  
What an ignomonius way to die
I mean imagine being in purgatory with all the other souls everybody talking about how they died. "Oh yeah I got hit by a car." "I got eaten by a lion" "I died of cancer" and then you have this guy, "I died because my doctor writes like a palsied illiterate."
 
2002-04-13 01:25:33 AM  
[image from milgrrls.com too old to be available]
 
2002-04-13 01:28:37 AM  
Hey, Sburbncwby, are you sure it wasn't a bat?
 
2002-04-13 01:29:48 AM  
Zendil
120 pills @ 20 mg each.
 
2002-04-13 01:30:50 AM  
it has to be a P; Z crossing goes like -, not like |...
 
2002-04-13 01:37:57 AM  
but, but.....I....I.....I'M A DOCTOR!

I taught enought of em to fly to know that their reputation for being incapable of believing that they could be wrong is well deserved.
 
2002-04-13 01:39:16 AM  
...today sucks...
 
2002-04-13 01:40:23 AM  
I thought it said Pendil, too.
 
2002-04-13 01:43:15 AM  
doesn't really matter beyond: "It's not Isordil"... interesting topic; shiatty for discussion :\
 
2002-04-13 02:01:33 AM  
I think the Z is suppoesed to be the s (iSodril), with that vertical line through it being the I.
 
2002-04-13 02:11:09 AM  
And mine and other farkers' good links never get chosen, yet this and the stupid satire masquerading as "weird" news get posted. Ho hum.
I am off to bed now
 
2002-04-13 02:15:58 AM  
it's an ok link... just crappy ass discussion...
 
2002-04-13 02:27:29 AM  
i think my penmanship is bad enough to get someone killed.
 
2002-04-13 02:37:25 AM  
Years ago a doctor wrote Xanax instead of Zantac on my prescption.My stomach still hurt but I didn't care.
 
2002-04-13 02:41:04 AM  
lol.....
 
2002-04-13 02:42:53 AM  
This is the exact reason why there was a company I read abotu that was supplying a special prescription network for the doctors. The doctors would be given a special PC that was connected to thier network, then the doctors would have palm pilots. So instead of writing out the presciptions they would tap everything into the palm pilot, error checking as going with mg dosage and patient body weight and then the prescription would be sent to the pharmacy on thier system so there would be no questions. I think that alone would be worth the money.
 
2002-04-13 03:15:03 AM  
Reverland:

I agree. But then you add in another concern: security of palm pilots. HCFA (a hospital regulatory oversight comittee for medicare) is going to make PDAs unacceptable for such purposes due to fears of weak security. Doctors use them to track patient labs, medications, medical histories, so HCFA feels they have a serious potential to violate patient privacy. You *can* get programs that provide good security, but HCFA is a typical government beast, slow to change position.
 
2002-04-13 04:15:45 AM  
Reverland That program is being widely used at my local college (University of Louisville, Medical School) My roommate is currently in the program. I also have a bunch of friends in the dental program there, and they've all got their Palm's with medical crap on it.

Curiously, my roommate is practicing his bad pen-manship -- he's trying to make it worse.
 
2002-04-13 05:09:37 AM  
Don't you see? The "Z" mark is what happens when you draw the bars above and below a capital "I" without picking up your pen far enough.

[image from jheather.com too old to be available]

The important marks are all there, except he left out the letter "s".
 
2002-04-13 07:23:40 AM  
There's a reason I avoid prescription drugs...
 
2002-04-13 08:53:50 AM  
This is the exact reason why there was a company I read abotu that was supplying a special prescription network for the doctors.

This is kind of what my doctor has. There is either a PC or a laptop in every examination room. From this they can access patient records, etc. Prescriptions are printed out and the NP/Dr. just signs them. No misunderstandings, no mistakes. He also has a palm pilot that is updated monthly with drug information (dosage, side effects, new research). It's just one of many reasons I am so happy I found him. That and they have a regular reception desk and not one of those glass fortresses.
 
2002-04-13 08:57:24 AM  
It is a sad day when doctors can't write better they do. Is it arrogance or are they lazy, or just plain apathetic towards the patient. Either way, make 'em write so YOU can read it so the pharmacist will have no questions.
 
2002-04-13 09:54:08 AM  
My wife works in the medical field, and she is surprised this doesn't happen more often.
 
2002-04-13 11:22:50 AM  
It probably happens a hundred times a day. My doctor just lets me do all the research, asks what drugs I want and gives them to me. Hey, wait - do all doctors work out of vans?
 
2002-04-13 11:42:02 AM  
The other way to do this is for you to write the prescription as he dictates it, and have him/her sign it. If the doctor balks, hand him a copy of the jury verdict.
 
2002-04-13 11:50:40 AM  
They still use *PAPER*?! What the hell is wrong with the medical establishment? Little slips of paper. Welcome to 1902.
 
2002-04-13 11:52:02 AM  
I don't see how the pharm filled 20mg @ 120 tablets of Pledil.. It only comes in 2.5mg 5mg 10mg
 
2002-04-13 12:16:24 PM  
Seems like I heard about this back in something like 1999 when it happened.
 
2002-04-13 01:23:51 PM  
hmmm...
I'm not a pharmacist, so I have no clue quite how much chaos that would cause. Lessee.

Isordil is a muscle relaxant for treating chest pain, dosage starting at 2.5 mg, and able to be cranked up WAY past 20 mg for severe cases. So, ok, this Doctor was taking the "Tim Allen" or "Sledge Hammer" approach to pharmaceuticals, but the prescription is still valid.

Plendil...is an anti-hypertensive, normal starting dose 5 mg, usually goes up to 10 mg. And this calls for TWICE that, per pill. And, as EricStac just said, they don't even come in 20 mg size, evidently because that's a fast track to a one-shot overdose.

How the fu...

And as for the doctor's writing-- the first letter in the word does look like a "P" to me, because if it's an I and an S superimposed, that S is backwards.
 
2002-04-13 02:30:10 PM  
Is it arrogance or are they lazy, or just plain apathetic towards the patient.

What do you mean, OR?
 
2002-04-13 08:28:55 PM  
Both sides are to blame. If it wasn't for a mentally debillitating condition. If you pick up a bottle that says 'Pendril' and the doc said he was prescribing 'Vagibasil' or whatever the hell he prescribed, you should know something is wrong.
 
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