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(Yahoo)   Big Three U.S. automakers gearing up for price war. Quality war, fuel-efficiency war and crash-safety war will be fought sometime in the future   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 265
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2005-07-05 10:52:25 PM  
haha, nice headline.

/wants the audi a3 sportback
 
2005-07-05 11:02:14 PM  
I recall when farkedcompany.com was sued by Ford because one of his headline said "Ford, where finding a new job is job one"

That still makes me laugh
 
2005-07-05 11:07:56 PM  
Give us:

Rear Wheel Drive
V8 Power
Manual Tansmission
Limited Slip
Independent Suspension
Minimal Electronics
Good Brakes

I will buy. Many others will too.
 
2005-07-05 11:10:48 PM  
lets have a clean burning fuel war please.
 
2005-07-05 11:12:37 PM  
Let's have a police action instead, like Viet Nam.
 
2005-07-05 11:17:57 PM  

Here we go again...

GM makes more models that get over 30mpg than any other automaker.


I could go on and on about misconceptions, but it'd be redundant. All I have to say is that Volkswagen is run by nazis and Honda by gays.


Thanks to the GM sale, TrailBlazers are nonexistent, Equinoxes are low, and Impalas and Cobalts are also hard to find.

 
2005-07-05 11:19:52 PM  
I could go on and on about misconceptions, but it'd be redundant. All I have to say is that Volkswagen is run by nazis and Honda by gays.

Uhhh...yeah. I'll have what he's smoking, please.
 
2005-07-05 11:21:30 PM  
It doesnt really matter how good GM's cars are

In less than 20 years, GM will default on their pension, which means a lot of pissed off people, or bankruptcy.
 
2005-07-05 11:24:58 PM  
Give me "The Homer"...

 
2005-07-05 11:25:23 PM  
Wait til Bodero finds out domestics like Ford, Chevy and Chrysler are built in plants in Canada, as do imports such as Honda and Toyota. His head will probably physically catch fire.

/actually, wait until someone explains to him that Canada is a foreign country.
// loves seeing 'Hungry? Eat your foreign car' bumperstickers here
 
2005-07-05 11:25:30 PM  
Bodero:

I could go on and on about misconceptions, but it'd be redundant. All I have to say is that Volkswagen is run by nazis and Honda by gays.

Awwww, look -- his xenophobia is showing.
 
2005-07-05 11:26:55 PM  
This is a fairly good site for finding about fuel economy:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov
 
2005-07-05 11:38:42 PM  
I FCUKING knew iT!!


I was wondering what they'd do after the 5th... sicne the employee discount or $3000 cash back both expired....

Chevy 2500HD w/ 6.6 Duramax turbo... here I come!

b|tches!
 
2005-07-05 11:40:24 PM  
whew... sorry, got a little excited there...

;)
 
2005-07-05 11:40:47 PM  
Phil Herup
Give us:

Rear Wheel Drive
V8 Power
Manual Tansmission
Limited Slip
Independent Suspension
Minimal Electronics
Good Brakes


Don't forget a horn that plays "la cucaracha."

Seriously though, I think the death spiral for the U.S. Auto industry has began in earnest.

Sooner or later China will start selling ugly but efficient cars over here. They'll be dirt cheap, maybe even less than $3,000. Some will laugh at first, but eventually it will sink in that they are dependable enough to be a better deal than most used cars.

Chineese manufactures will learn from their early mistakes. The cars will get more reliable, better looking and maybe even cheaper with each passing year.

Instead of going through sleezeball "dealers" to buy the cars, you'll be able to pick one up at Wal-Mart or Sam's Club. The fact that the cars come from China will be deemphasized and practically forgotten.

DaimlerChrysler will go under. Ford and GM will go for the "upscale" market and sell maybe 5% of the number of cars they once did. The feds will spend hundreds of billions bailing out the big three's pension funds-- financed by T-bill sales to China, of course.
 
2005-07-05 11:43:06 PM  
Damn you shuffs!

How dare you beat me to posting a pic of The Homer!

=-P
 
2005-07-05 11:54:04 PM  


I'll take the "licker." It runs on sexual energy. It also seems to permeate a fragrance that induces "joy-joy" feelings while murdering pollutants in the air.

/spread the love
 
2005-07-05 11:56:18 PM  
40below


I don't like GM or anyone else because they're American automakers. I don't hate anyone because they're foreign. I used to sell Nissans, Jeeps, and GM's, and I'd buy any of them. They're all good. I just get bored with all of the domestic bashing. The Chevrolet Cobalt, the Ford Fusion, they're all at least on par with the old industry leaders. Quality surveys, GM and Toyota have basically tied over the past year.

 
2005-07-06 01:49:52 AM  
Bodero:

I could go on and on about misconceptions, but it'd be redundant. All I have to say is that Volkswagen is run by nazis and Honda by gays.

you had a pretty good argument going there - with the good fuel economy and junk - then you had to go and whip out teh ghey AND the godwin all at the same time.

shame
 
2005-07-06 02:59:28 AM  
Riche:

Sooner or later China will start selling ugly but efficient cars over here. They'll be dirt cheap, maybe even less than $3,000. Some will laugh at first, but eventually it will sink in that they are dependable enough to be a better deal than most used cars.

Chineese manufactures will learn from their early mistakes. The cars will get more reliable, better looking and maybe even cheaper with each passing year.

Instead of going through sleezeball "dealers" to buy the cars, you'll be able to pick one up at Wal-Mart or Sam's Club. The fact that the cars come from China will be deemphasized and practically forgotten.

DaimlerChrysler will go under. Ford and GM will go for the "upscale" market and sell maybe 5% of the number of cars they once did. The feds will spend hundreds of billions bailing out the big three's pension funds-- financed by T-bill sales to China, of course.


We could always impose a tariff on Chinese cars if they started selling insanely cheap models, to protect our industry. We did it for steel, also.
 
2005-07-06 04:07:11 AM  
The reason that GM and Ford are doing this is because they are farked.

For instance, GM financial services (lending money) is a bigger operating division than car manufacturing.

I mean really, who would want a US car anyway?
 
2005-07-06 07:30:24 AM  
Sooner or later China will start selling ugly but efficient cars over here. They'll be dirt cheap

I have always wondered why cheap cars have to be ugly. If designing a decent looking car is so expensive, why not just take an existing design of an expensive car and put cheap shiat on the inside?
 
2005-07-06 07:43:26 AM  
Bodero
I could go on and on about misconceptions, but it'd be redundant. All I have to say is that Volkswagen is run by nazis and Honda by gays.

See, i thought he was intentionally being funny. You knowe, talking about misconceptions and then making wild claims. Oh well, I laughed at least.

/probably puts too much faith in human nature.
 
2005-07-06 07:46:54 AM  

"I could go on and on about misconceptions, but it'd be redundant. All I have to say is that Volkswagen is run by nazis and Honda by gays."


Now since they know where to find each other, I guess the next Holocaust will get off to a quicker start, eh ?

 
2005-07-06 07:47:26 AM  
Already done by Renault for the El Cheapo market, see the Logan, half the price of regular car, basic, fuel efficient, not that ugly. (some kind of civic sedan). Officially branded "dacia" because it's made in their factory in Romania bought a few years ago by Renault.
 
2005-07-06 07:49:24 AM  
Phil Herup:

Rear Wheel Drive
V8 Power
Manual Tansmission
Limited Slip
Independent Suspension
Minimal Electronics
Good Brakes




Only thing I'm not positive about
 
2005-07-06 07:51:11 AM  
From Bodero's Honda link:

The CR-V, short for Christian Retaliatory Vehicle, was Hondas first entry into the Gay SUV market. Since capturing a portion of a large market of SUV buyers, Honda introduced a second and third SUV, the Element and the Pilot. The Element was unique in that the interior was fully-washable for spills during gay sexual encounters. The Pilot, named because most pilots are homosexual, is Hondas largest SUV offering, providing transportation to the new generation of large homosexual families to sporting events such as Rugby and the LPGA.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I suppose the car world needs trolls too.
 
2005-07-06 07:52:06 AM  
Err, the only thing I'm really not positive about is whether I should be posting this early in the morning when I'm tired. I was going to say I wasn't sure about limited slip, but a quick google shows that at the very least '95 and after had. (They're Porsche 928s.)
 
2005-07-06 07:52:08 AM  
I have a 2002 Saturn SL1.....it was cheap. Its efficient and *gasp* its looks decent......
 
2005-07-06 07:53:16 AM  
Jesus, I'm really off my game. The one in the background is a 944. I own one and I didn't spot that. I think I need to go back to bed...
 
2005-07-06 07:54:48 AM  
Javeline22
I have a 2002 Saturn SL1.....it was cheap. Its efficient and *gasp* its looks decent......

Uh, big negative on the "looking decent" part.

Im thinking of buying a 1995ish Cadillac STS, will I really get screwed on fuel economy? Ive been looking at the fuel economy on these vehicles and although they are pretty low compared to most modern cars, it doesnt seem to bad if its just highway KM's. Any opinions?
 
2005-07-06 07:56:29 AM  
crazycooter

I have always wondered why cheap cars have to be ugly. If designing a decent looking car is so expensive, why not just take an existing design of an expensive car and put cheap shiat on the inside?


Ahem...



Seriously, they're nice cars, though. And your question has always bothered me, too - it's not like tooling a pleasant shape costs more. Hyundai seem to be the first to have done it. And to be honest the inside's not half bad either. If they tossed the fake wood it'd be even better.

Still most certainly not a handling car. :)
 
2005-07-06 07:57:05 AM  
The 2012 Olympics will be in London

/threadjack
 
2005-07-06 07:59:28 AM  
Phil Herup

I agree 100%, except I'd also be willing to concede a 6 cylinder variant.
 
2005-07-06 08:01:32 AM  
bodero

The Chevrolet Cobalt, the Ford Fusion, they're all at least on par with the old industry leaders. Quality surveys, GM and Toyota have basically tied over the past year.

I'll believe they're on par when I see American cars still running well at 200k+ miles.

Fuel economy is a joke in this country. Cars that get over 40mpg are a big deal, but in Europe or Japan cars that get over twice that are common. I just wish someone besides VW would sell passenger cars in this country that run on diesel.

/let's all deep-fry some falafel, then turn the leftover oil into soap 'n' biodiesel!
 
2005-07-06 08:07:29 AM  
Quick1:

We could always impose a tariff on Chinese cars if they started selling insanely cheap models, to protect our industry. We did it for steel, also.


And the WTO would tear you a new one, just like they did with steel.
 
2005-07-06 08:07:33 AM  
qwyeth

Until America switches to low sulfur diesel like Europe has, its gonna be difficult to find small turbodiesels that burns as cleanly.

Few exceptions from VW are already on the market, of course.

~DJ

/Big fan of turbo-diesels
 
2005-07-06 08:10:53 AM  
"I'll believe they're on par when I see American cars still running well at 200k+ miles."

Before I sold my Saturn, it had 242,000 miles on the odo. Finger that one out.

My Caprice had 300k on it. Mileage, anyone?
Most times now, I purposefully buy cars with over 200k miles. Why? If it was gonna break, it already has.

My current car is an import, a 1990 Volvo with 334k. If people weren't so scared about cars going belly-up that they have to trade them at 90k, we'd sell a lot less cars here in the US.
 
2005-07-06 08:12:02 AM  
General Motors said Tuesday it would extend its wildly popular "employee discount" program for another month

HA! I just wanted to read that again...

wo0t!

 
2005-07-06 08:12:44 AM  
The big are currently kept a float by SUV and pick up truck sales. Now it seems the imports are going after that market. That and the benefits that unions demand on could well be the downfall of the big three.

Hell, even my Grandma a pro American Staunch republican drive won't drive an American car.
 
2005-07-06 08:13:45 AM  
qwyeth

the reason American cars don't get that kind of mileage is due to emissions(small engines arent always emissions friendly, look at the geo metro) and safety standards that won't allow for their small designs.
 
2005-07-06 08:15:13 AM  
CrazyCooter01

Ya know what's really funny? Way back in '90, my father bought a 1990 Hyundai Sonata. Do you remember the shiatty repuation of Hyundai's back then?

Well, we gave it the standard by-the-book maintanance work on it, such as regular fluid changes, etc... Nothing out of the ordinary, and filled it with regular...

The car lasted 192,000 miles with everything working just fine until it was hit by a lady in a large Mercedez.

Goes to show: Anything can last a long time, if properly cared for.

~DJ

/Yes, I ended with a dangling preposition.
//Or is that proposition?
 
2005-07-06 08:15:16 AM  
Price wars can get real ugly...

Remember, these guys were offering one-dollar flights just before they turned into:
 
2005-07-06 08:15:53 AM  
 
2005-07-06 08:17:02 AM  
Maybe instead of making money on the cars, GM has decided to make money off of the replacement parts. Think about how much they overcharge for parts, find the average cost to the average driver, and multiply that by their 150,000 new customers.
 
2005-07-06 08:20:14 AM  
Let's get this out of the way:

Cheap, Hardly Efficient, Virtually Runs On Luck Every Time

Fix Or Repair Daily

Pours Out Noxious Toxins In American Cities

Does anyone know of any for Dodge?

~DJ
 
2005-07-06 08:20:21 AM  
Bodero:

Here we go again...

GM makes more models that get over 30mpg than any other automaker.


That is because GM makes dozens of models. Honda has half a dozen models TOTAL. GM has the same bloody thing as a chev, pontiac, Geo, buick etc.

GM is run by admen and unions. Common sense has gone so low on the radar that they deserve to die.
 
2005-07-06 08:21:15 AM  
bark_atda_moon:

Think about how much they overcharge for parts, find the average cost to the average driver, and multiply that by their 150,000 new customers.

well, if these 150,000 new customers all denied the warranty... then maybe, but who would do that ?

 
2005-07-06 08:25:01 AM  
With two of the three cars I've owned, I've had dealers try to claim that the repairs needed were not covered under warranty for all of them.

1. 1997 Hyundai Sonata - Excessively worn fan belt at 9k
2. 2000 Daewoo Lanos - Transmission stopped at 10k
3. 2005 Ford Focus - Possibly found the one honest dealership in the metro-detroit area... *knocks on wood*

Yes, I know, I buy cheap cars... But hey, I'm a poor college student.

~DJ
 
2005-07-06 08:25:03 AM  
vegasj

The base warrantee is about 3 years right? How much goes wrong in the first 3 years (VW Jetta auto window problems aside). Maybe they are planning for the future. I really don't know, but it would be pretty funny.
 
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