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(CBC)   Shell Oil uses their heavy corporate pressure to ban renewable fuel info booth at festival; brings hired goons   (ottawa.cbc.ca) divider line 195
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2005-07-05 09:53:35 AM
I like the personal touch you only get witrh hired goons.
\Mr.Burns
 
2005-07-05 09:55:12 AM
There is something seriously wrong with this in my books.

Shell, and I'm sure the other oil companies, don't like the fact that they aren't the only energy game in town. But openly admitting to supressing an environmental group? The fact that they did it is really stupid, and the fact that they admit it is very arrogant of them.
 
2005-07-05 10:04:42 AM
I'm going to jump right over the obvious Corn Cob Bob joke, and say that oil companies can bite my shiny metal ass. They are doing their best to get every cent out of us, because they realize that their time is almost up.
 
2005-07-05 10:09:14 AM
"They said they were very sorry but they said one of their major sponsors had indicated there was a conflict between the message that we were promoting and their company's interests," he said.

 
2005-07-05 10:13:06 AM
banning Corn Cob Bob from spreading his message

I'm staring at the obvious joke going why'd they ban this guy, sounds like the life of the party.

And, oh yeah, oil companies have been astroturfing and flat out censoring news about alt fuels for decades. If not influencing governments not to subsidize them, while keeping various subsidies that help oil co's in place. No surprise, nothing to see here. Kinda funny how they have stooped to the level of arguing against Corn Cob Bob, though. Shell used to be such a big important company, look at them now.
 
2005-07-05 10:13:24 AM
To hell with Shell
 
2005-07-05 10:15:46 AM
 
2005-07-05 10:24:32 AM
 
2005-07-05 10:26:44 AM
"We have an essential role in finding new ways to meet present and future energy needs in environmentally and socially responsible ways."

Don't you understand? Shell believes that fossil fuels ARE the environmentally and socially responsible energy.

/obvious tag
 
2005-07-05 10:34:23 AM
Let's not get too reactionary on this one.

First off, would you want Corn Cob Bob to show up at your shindig? He looks like a total a-hole.

I would assume that Corn Cob Bob was trying to represent Ethenol, which is an almost totally useless way to create energy. It is also not emmission-free. I don't know where you guys are going with this, but it's not as though they kicked out a guy that was promoting clean energy.

Additionally, Shell Oil produces a massive amount of solar panels for world energy production. Just because they have Oil in their name, it doesn't mean they don't research, explore, and deliver alternative energy production that produce next to zero emissions. It's in their best intrest to do so, as they are quite aware that they are running out of oil. And when I say they are running out of oil, I mean Shell Oil recently found out they have about half the reserves they thought they had.

If you want to get mad at an Oil company, try Exxon-Mobil. They still claim that there is no such thing as global warming and pay research hacks to create misleading "scientific" papers to state that misinformation.

Look before you lynch.
 
2005-07-05 10:49:01 AM
Look before you lynch.

... that's no fun
 
2005-07-05 11:11:45 AM
"Sequestration is difficult, but if we don't have sequestration then I see very little hope for the world,.....No one can be comfortable at the prospect of continuing to pump out the amounts of carbon dioxide that we are pumping out at present ... with consequences that we really can't predict but are probably not good."

- Lord Oxburgh, chairman of Shell oil
 
2005-07-05 11:21:22 AM
Excellent quote, binnster.
 
2005-07-05 11:27:45 AM
Technoblake

Additionally, Shell Oil produces a massive amount of solar panels for world energy production. Just because they have Oil in their name, it doesn't mean they don't research, explore, and deliver alternative energy production that produce next to zero emissions. It's in their best intrest to do so, as they are quite aware that they are running out of oil. And when I say they are running out of oil, I mean Shell Oil recently found out they have about half the reserves they thought they had.

I think the problem here lies with Shell's arrogance, I mean, threatening to pull sponsorship of a major event because of one little alternative energy booth?

The use of Biodiesel and Ethanol allow us to extend our energy resources and keep companies like Shell in business after oil production starts going down, its not like awareness of alternatives is going to threaten their industry. They will pump every last drop of oil and sell it for as much as they can get, and use their corporate power to kill alternatives, hinder development of hybrid or electric vehicles or and other "clean" sources of energy.

Additionally, Shell Oil produces a massive amount of solar panels for world energy production.

Lets not kid ourselves, companies only take environmental gestures because they are good PR and allow them to look more ethical. Like the tobacco companies warning us on the dangers of smoking, they'll tell you its bad on one hand and sell you a carton with the other.
 
2005-07-05 11:52:21 AM
The use of Biodiesel and Ethanol allow us to extend our energy resources and keep companies like Shell in business after oil production starts going down, its not like awareness of alternatives is going to threaten their industry. They will pump every last drop of oil and sell it for as much as they can get, and use their corporate power to kill alternatives, hinder development of hybrid or electric vehicles or and other "clean" sources of energy.

I disagree. Ethanol is a subsidized energy largly due to political promises made to corn farmers in Iowa. Shell has made no attempt that I know of to kill hybrid cars and they pour tons of money into R&D for hydrogen power.


Lets not kid ourselves, companies only take environmental gestures because they are good PR and allow them to look more ethical. Like the tobacco companies warning us on the dangers of smoking, they'll tell you its bad on one hand and sell you a carton with the other.

I strenuously disagree. Their foray into solar, wind, and alternative energies are investments into the survivability of their company. As Oil prices go up, the free market will dictate that conservation and alternative sourcing become the norm. Their company must be positioned correctly to seize that opportunity when the time comes. Thus, they are making sure that they can produce a product as the market matures.

This is not a conspiracy against mankind. They are choosing what they see as the most viable alternatives to oil, and Ethanol is not high on the list.
 
2005-07-05 11:57:24 AM
Technoblake

This is not a conspiracy against mankind. They are choosing what they see as the most viable alternatives to oil, and Ethanol is not high on the list.

So that justifies being a corporate bully?
 
2005-07-05 12:03:30 PM
HansBlix: So that justifies being a corporate bully?

No. Not really. But, Corn Cob Bob looks like the type of guy that could have peed on Shell's cornflakes in the past. I'm not endorsing Shell's actions. I'm just saying that they are not the evil incarnate. Shell and BP are both doing some very good work on providing the alternative energies of tomorrow, and they should at least get some credit for that. On the other hand, Exxon-Mobile is evil incarnate.
 
2005-07-05 01:01:35 PM
I'm working on an alternative fuel that works off of stupid lawsuits and poor war excuses..
once i perfect it, I should be able to power the smart people to a new colony in space-called Earth 2.
 
waz
2005-07-05 01:05:45 PM
"Sorry about kicking you out this year, cornhole. Tell you what, you can come back next year. Yeah, that's the ticket."
 
2005-07-05 01:50:33 PM


Watch your Corn Cob, Bob.
 
2005-07-05 02:38:35 PM
Technoblake:

I would assume that Corn Cob Bob was trying to represent Ethenol, which is an almost totally useless way to create energy. It is also not emmission-free.



um did u miss the day in class when they tought you about non renewable resources and renewable resources?
Corn = Renewable, Oil = Nonrenewable
 
2005-07-05 03:31:21 PM


It was a fun day...

/was there.
 
2005-07-05 03:34:04 PM
Technoblake

If you want to get mad at an Oil company, try Exxon-Mobil.


This is not really a thread about renewable energy, more so of a thread about free speech...

But, okay, I'll get mad at Exxon too...
 
2005-07-05 03:35:15 PM
Any relation to Jimmy the Corn Man?

 
2005-07-05 03:36:14 PM
I thought that kind of thing only happened here in the states...

I guess the big difference is that in canada it will at least make the news...
 
2005-07-05 03:36:29 PM
Damn kevin5lyn I haven't seen that many white people in a group since Pat Boone's last tour.
 
2005-07-05 03:37:25 PM
"I went to work the other day
I work for Shell International
Well, I'm the CEO
C.E.O., Mother *uckers, Mother *uckers"

/Edinburgh 2002
//So beyond obscure
 
2005-07-05 03:38:03 PM
I totally thought the "cob" would be in a different place in that outfit.
 
2005-07-05 03:38:20 PM
"Claim made in a lawsuit give only one side of the case..."

/knows this isn't a lawsuit
//sounds like a pretty one-sided account
///Gahd forbid anybody check to see if there is another "version" of how this went down
////nah, let's just accept this one as fact verbatim and spew hate on Shell
 
2005-07-05 03:38:28 PM
kevin5lynn
It was a fun day...
/was there


Check out this pic I took, from the Rideau Centre pedestrian bridge (color altered):




Click for big pic (pops)
 
2005-07-05 03:38:35 PM
wow hans bix has books instead of book he must have alot of morals

/jk
 
2005-07-05 03:39:35 PM
I buy Sunoco because they use ethanol. Am I just fooling myself environmental-wise?

/drives a civic
 
2005-07-05 03:40:10 PM
First off, would you want Corn Cob Bob to show up at your shindig? He looks like a total a-hole.

Christ. I just spit up my Dr. Pepper.
 
2005-07-05 03:40:40 PM
Who's there?
Goons!
Who?
Hired goons!
Hired goons?
 
2005-07-05 03:41:21 PM
forget about shell! im more interested in the floating McDonalds in the persian gulf!
 
2005-07-05 03:46:04 PM
TT_TT_P

um did u miss the day in class when they tought you about non renewable resources and renewable resources?
Corn = Renewable, Oil = Nonrenewable


um, oil is renewable. It takes a bit longer, though...
/be patient
 
2005-07-05 03:49:00 PM
In other news, someone actually approved a mascot with the name Corn Cob Bob

/shakes head.
 
2005-07-05 03:49:52 PM
Screw Bob. It's all about algae.
 
2005-07-05 03:50:32 PM
hired goons?
 
2005-07-05 03:51:16 PM
Lets not kid ourselves, companies only take environmental gestures because they are good PR and allow them to look more ethical.

Often there are hefty tax rebates associated with even the most token of these efforts....

Like the tobacco companies warning us on the dangers of smoking, they'll tell you its bad on one hand and sell you a carton with the other.

..or they are forced by a court to do these things as penalty for damages they have caused.
 
2005-07-05 03:51:28 PM
Where's Shelly, Shell's non-existent evil mascot?

Wouldn't that be great if Shelly had Corn Hole Bob bent over on a float while waving? Ahhh, that's more like it.

/farking hate greedy companies
//ok that's redundant, but those that are big enough to bully
 
2005-07-05 03:51:39 PM
HAL_lives

I haven't seen that many white people in a group since Pat Boone's last tour.


It's true it was kinda white...
 
2005-07-05 03:51:43 PM
>

Funny, I did not come away with this impression after reading the article....
 
2005-07-05 03:52:15 PM
A Shell spokesperson said the company's arrangement with organizers meant it had exclusive rights when it came to fuel products.

Puhlease. We're not talking a "Coke vs. Pepsi" situation here. We're talking a "Coke vs. Stop-Drinking-So-Much-Farking-Soda" situation.
 
2005-07-05 03:52:36 PM
I find Corn Cob Bob to be kind of earie...
 
2005-07-05 03:52:48 PM
For those of you arguing that ethanol from corn is a renewable resource: What does it take large amounts of to grow corn?
 
2005-07-05 03:53:36 PM
well all this is giving him loads of publicity
 
2005-07-05 03:55:52 PM
Hired goons?
 
2005-07-05 03:56:12 PM
 
2005-07-05 03:56:27 PM
Meatsack: I find Corn Cob Bob to be kind of earie...

There is a kernel of truth to that.
 
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