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2005-06-29 09:56:47 PM
On behalf of part of North Carolina that breathes with its mouth closed, I apologize for allowing this assclown to be sent to congress. We'll try to do better next time.

/shake head in disgust
//wonderin' when all you liberal Yankees who got transfered to RTP are gonna start exerting some political muscle
///no, 1984 references are not obscure. except perhaps to the inbred retards that elected Robin Hayes
 
2005-06-29 09:57:02 PM
Here come da draft... Here come da draft...

The seeds are being sown. BTW, I see WWIII in 5 years or less.

//HeeHee- too old to draft! What?
 
2005-06-29 09:57:10 PM
emagery:

Show me how he wasn't. You can't.


Show me how he was. You can't.
 
2005-06-29 09:57:20 PM
Prescott Bush was Hitler's banker in the U.S. He had a large chunk of his assets seized under a "trading with the enemy" type of Act. Geroge H.W. is on the board of and a major shareholder in the Carlyle Corp (along with a few well-known Saudis), which is one of the largest defense contractors in the world. I guess W comes by his war-mongering naturally.
 
2005-06-29 09:57:37 PM
the lies, they keep on truckin
 
2005-06-29 09:58:47 PM
Let's try this slower...

September 12, 2002, the day of Bush's "U.N., you've got to stop being so freakin' useless" speech...

There is nothing to connect Iraq to Al Qaeda.

Summer 2004, when there is an election...

There is nothing to connect Iraq to Al Qaeda 9/11.

It costs a damn fortune to change Democrat talking points. They have credit lines at Kinko's Copies being closed out for lack of payment constantly, coast-to-coast. Why did they have to do this?
 
2005-06-29 09:58:48 PM
"Nobody disputes 9/11," Hayes said. "They would do it again if not prevented."


Can anyone tell me what "Nobody disputes 9/11" means? Is he claiming no one dare challenge the power of 9/11 Almighty? Or perhaps he must be referring to the fact that no one disputes that 9/11 happened. That would make him a dumbass.
 
2005-06-29 09:59:33 PM
GOP--the party of lies.
Sadly, the Dems are nincompoops.
Which leaves us with...what?
 
2005-06-29 10:00:43 PM
ankmcfly

Here come da draft... Here come da draft...

The seeds are being sown. BTW, I see WWIII in 5 years or less.


Are there really idiots out there who believe that Bush is going to reinstitute the draft?

WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA??
 
2005-06-29 10:09:15 PM
mkfreeberg: Why did they have to do this?

"Saddam Hussein and people like him were very much involved in 9/11," Rep. Robin Hayes said.

I didn't twist that. It's a direct quote.

* Spin, my pretties. Spin!
 
2005-06-29 10:11:08 PM
"No, we've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th," Bush said. "What the vice president said was is that he (Saddam) has been involved with al-Qaida.

"And al-Zarqawi, an al-Qaida operative, was in Baghdad. He's the guy that ordered the killing of a U.S. diplomat. ... There's no question that Saddam Hussein had al-Qaida ties."


Yeah, sure. Because Osama publically denouncing Saddam's Baath party as "infidels" is just a sign of love and respect.

If, by their logic, terrorists residing in your country = government supports terrorism, doesn't that mean the US government supported Sept. 11? After all, the hijackers did reside in America for a while.
 
2005-06-29 10:11:08 PM
Ahmed Hikmat Shakir the Iraqi Intelligence operative who facilitated a 9/11 hijacker into Malaysia and was in attendance at the Kuala Lampur meeting with two of the hijackers, and other conspirators, at what is roundly acknowledged to be the initial 9/11 planning session in January 2000? Who was arrested after the 9/11 attacks in possession of contact information for several known terrorists? Who managed to make his way out of Jordanian custody over our objections after the 9/11 attacks because of special pleading by Saddams regime?

Saddam's intelligence agency's efforts to recruit jihadists to bomb Radio Free Europe in Prague in the late 1990's?

Mohammed Atta's unexplained visits to Prague in 2000, and his alleged visit there in April 2001 which notwithstanding the 9/11 Commission's dismissal of it (based on interviewing exactly zero relevant witnesses) the Czechs have not retracted?

The Clinton Justice Department's allegation in a 1998 indictment (two months before the embassy bombings) against bin Laden, to wit: In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq.

Seized Iraq Intelligence Service records indicating that Saddam's henchmen regarded bin Laden as an asset as early as 1992?

Saddam's hosting of al Qaeda No. 2, Ayman Zawahiri beginning in the early 1990s, and reports of a large payment of money to Zawahiri in 1998?

Saddams ten years of harboring of 1993 World Trade Center bomber Abdul Rahman Yasin?

Iraqi Intelligence Service operatives being dispatched to meet with bin Laden in Afghanistan in 1998 (the year of bin Ladens fatwa demanding the killing of all Americans, as well as the embassy bombings)?

Saddams official press lionizing bin Laden as an Arab and Islamic hero following the 1998 embassy bombing attacks?

The continued insistence of high-ranking Clinton administration officials to the 9/11 Commission that the 1998 retaliatory strikes (after the embassy bombings) against a Sudanese pharmaceutical factory were justified because the factory was a chemical weapons hub tied to Iraq and bin Laden?

Top Clinton administration counterterrorism official Richard Clarkes assertions, based on intelligence reports in 1999, that Saddam had offered bin Laden asylum after the embassy bombings, and Clarkes memo to then-National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, advising him not to fly U-2 missions against bin Laden in Afghanistan because he might be tipped off by Pakistani Intelligence, and [a]rmed with that knowledge, old wily Usama will likely boogie to Baghdad? (See 9/11 Commission Final Report, p. 134 & n.135.)

Terror master Abu Musab Zarqawi's choice to boogie to Baghdad of all places when he needed surgery after fighting American forces in Afghanistan in 2001?

Saddam's Intelligence Service running a training camp at Salman Pak, were terrorists were instructed in tactics for assassination, kidnapping and hijacking?

Former CIA Director George Tenets October 7, 2002 letter to Congress, which asserted: Our understanding of the relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda is evolving and is based on sources of varying reliability. Some of the information we have received comes from detainees, including some of high rank.

We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and Al Qaeda going back a decade.

Credible information indicates that Iraq and Al Qaeda have discussed safe haven and reciprocal nonaggression.

Since Operation Enduring Freedom, we have solid evidence of the presence in Iraq of Al Qaeda members, including some that have been in Baghdad.

We have credible reporting that Al Qaeda leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities. The reporting also stated that Iraq has provided training to Al Qaeda members in the areas of poisons and gases and making conventional bombs.

Iraq's increasing support to extremist Palestinians coupled with growing indications of relationship with Al Qaeda suggest that Baghdad's links to terrorists will increase, even absent U.S. military action.
 
2005-06-29 10:11:24 PM
EVERYONE... and especialy emagery:

So Al-Qaida admitted to be in:

Saudi Arabia
Afghanistan
Yemen
Pakistan
Turkey
Qatar
Bahrain
and others but NOT in Iraq

farking tools
 
2005-06-29 10:11:47 PM
STFU about the NUMBERS of our soldiers who died in Iraq. You think 1800 is a huge number? Try 400000+ who died in WWII. Iraq doesn't even begin to compare.

The current conflict and WWII are so radically different that the comparison is meaningless. And for goodness sake, it was the liberal Democratic FDR and his successor Truman who led the country through that period. Liberals can kick ass too when the cause is justified. War ought not be a partisan endeavor.

And please don't trivialize the 1800 or so Americans, not to mention allied forces, who have died or the thousands who have been injured. It does a disservice to both their sacrifice and your cause.

/USAF brat
 
2005-06-29 10:11:56 PM
To be fair, scores of maps which described New York City with startling accuracy, down to the latitude and longitude of the WTC, were recovered from various Iraqi government buildings. Perhaps even more chilling than these were recovered charts which emphasised the business locations of such hotel chains as Motel 6, and those of certain nearby restaurants and gas stations, implying that Iraq may have been involved in terrorist plots to conduct attacks against our nation's interstate travel industry.
 
2005-06-29 10:11:58 PM
davidshi123: "Nobody disputes 9/11," Hayes said. "They would do it again if not prevented."

it's the political equivalent of the jedi mind trick. september 11th, 2001 (*hand-wave*)
 
2005-06-29 10:12:38 PM
heh, i think it's funny that even now that democrats are not in power, people continue to blame them for all the things that go wrong under a republican powerbase.

anyhow, I'm trying to get some after hours project work done, so i'll just ignore this for the night. Our bickering can't get rid of the fool or prove or disprove anything, so its not really worth the time. I just pine for a world where the average, honest, and good human being wasn't the plaything of the corrupt. But at least there are times of change... america was created to escape such things... it's too bad that free trade (or rather, trade with nations who have no qualms screwing the competition by using child/indentured labor) politio-corporate empires are slowly eating away at the beautiful thing that it once was... hell, back in the 50s, a highschool janitor could make a good living and provide for his family with a 9-5 job... and there used to be a thing called 'art' among the classes available in public schools. Nowadays, a handful of people trade 10000 american jobs for an equivelant number of indian jobs, then buy 8-digit private jets, then use dummy corps to hide the fact they bought them, and have 2 million dollar christmas bonuses and promotion parties while ma and pa are working 2 or 3 jobs between them and can't get health insurance. Awesome!

I guess in free trade, lowest-common-denominator is the rule... the most slavishly imbalanced nation in the circuit will eventually force all the other nations in the circuit to lower their standards to remain competative until they too use child/slave/indentured/debt labor. We've certainly taken a large number of steps in that direction over the decades, and it's scary.
 
2005-06-29 10:13:23 PM
This traitor of a congressman needs to be tried for treason as a traitor. He has obviously sold out to America's most deadly enemy--the megacorporations that are profiting off of war. I call on the justice department to arrest and indict Congressman Hayes for treason, and to try him in a court of law for high treason. I also urge that if Hayes is tried for treason and found guilty, that he be punished to the utmost extent and in the harshest manners allowed under American law.
 
2005-06-29 10:14:10 PM
Muslims = terrorists

Iraqis = muslim

Iraqis = terrorists.

Is that proof enough?
 
2005-06-29 10:14:26 PM
Thank you LawrencePerson, it needed to be said.
 
2005-06-29 10:15:18 PM
So Al-Qaida admitted to be in:

Saudi Arabia
Afghanistan
Yemen
Pakistan
Turkey
Qatar
Bahrain
and others but NOT in Iraq

farking tools


They're in Canada and the U.S. as well. That doesn't mean we're sponsoring them or enlisting them to fight our battles. Then again, we did have Bin Laden fighting the Soviets for us back in the day...
 
2005-06-29 10:15:26 PM
XxIAMGODxX: EVERYONE... and especialy emagery:

So Al-Qaida admitted to be in:


you forgot one.

 
2005-06-29 10:16:33 PM
How did I get TotalFark?
 
2005-06-29 10:16:46 PM
Haha, not my district either.

Hooray for the Duke grad.

/Nixon was a Dukie too
 
2005-06-29 10:17:22 PM
Wow, LawrencePerson, the National Review comes to conclusions that directly contradict the findings of the 9/11 commission. I guess that was all just a cover-up to sweep Iraq's involvement under the rug, eh? I mean, it's not like we needed proof of why we're at war with them or anything.
 
2005-06-29 10:17:50 PM
To be fair, scores of maps which described New York City with startling accuracy, down to the latitude and longitude of the WTC, were recovered from various Iraqi government buildings. Perhaps even more chilling than these were recovered charts which emphasised the business locations of such hotel chains as Motel 6, and those of certain nearby restaurants and gas stations, implying that Iraq may have been involved in terrorist plots to conduct attacks against our nation's interstate travel industry.

I get in trouble enough repeating heresay like this just because it sounds reasonable... if you are right, you should be able to provide refernces to proof? I'd certainly want to know either way!
 
2005-06-29 10:18:01 PM
This war is wrong. Always has been. Rush Limbaugh is slowly being exposed for the apologist that he's been since 9/11, and the Bush administration can't come up with a decent reason to continue the war except 'We started it, so by gum let's finish it.'
 
2005-06-29 10:18:18 PM
If anybody wants proof that the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate that was given to congress was bullshiat, well, here it is:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB129/index.htm
 
2005-06-29 10:19:26 PM
These Bushistas only have one side to their stupid story...




THEY'RE DIGGING IN THE WRONG PLACE!

This finally makes sense. Has anybody looked for the burns on Cheney's hands? Could somebody please give them the translation for the flip side so we can find Bin Laden and give this shiat a rest?
 
2005-06-29 10:20:27 PM
Muslims = terrorists There's the flaw in your argument...

neither are all muslims terrorists, nor are all terrorists muslims... they exist also among the irish and in excessive plentitudes in south america as well (though they often terrorize each other rather than us (successfully or otherwise either way)).

But statements like that certainly help to foster islamic misconceptions about america as well; so thanks for that.
 
2005-06-29 10:20:27 PM
It does not matter if Al Queda has anything to do with Iraq.

We need a base of operations in the M.E. to prepare for the inevitable war we will have against the greater muslim world.

Once they evolve enough to build/buy/borrow a nuke and use it in a western city, poof-soot, no more Islam.

It will be missed...
 
2005-06-29 10:20:30 PM
LawrencePerson

For a second, I thought you had dozens of interesting links then I realized that you're a dumbass.
 
2005-06-29 10:21:11 PM
pontechango

If somebody still needs proof, they probably can't read anyway.
 
2005-06-29 10:21:19 PM
To be fair, scores of maps which described New York City with startling accuracy, down to the latitude and longitude of the WTC, were recovered from various Iraqi government buildings. Perhaps even more chilling than these were recovered charts which emphasised the business locations of such hotel chains as Motel 6, and those of certain nearby restaurants and gas stations, implying that Iraq may have been involved in terrorist plots to conduct attacks against our nation's interstate travel industry.

You find this "chilling"? Was there a Zagat's guide in there too?
 
2005-06-29 10:21:30 PM
During the 90's Saddam was trying to negoitate an end to the sanctions with the US. Saddam also didn't entirely trust his intelligence resources, so he wouldn't try to use them to do operations outside of Iraq for fear of being set up or betrayed. Saddam was a selfish and paranoid dictator, he wanted to maintain his control over Iraq first and foremost, not to be a jihadist. He wanted nothing to do with the terrorists. That doesn't make him a nice guy by any means, only fearful of anything that threatened his power.
 
2005-06-29 10:21:43 PM
2005-06-29 10:16:33 PM joelawyer


How did I get TotalFark?


Someone sponsered you. You'll have a free ride for month. After that, you're on your own.
 
2005-06-29 10:21:56 PM
There you have it!


/Hardee har har.
 
2005-06-29 10:22:24 PM
emagery-

So muslims are like Irish and South Americans?

That is reason enough to wipe them from the earth.

You sure you want to stick with that line of argument?
 
2005-06-29 10:22:46 PM
Folks, look at it.

This war is wrong.

Left or Right, you know that.
 
2005-06-29 10:23:27 PM
emagery

Muslims = terrorists There's the flaw in your argument...


Exactly. I was given a lot of shiat by VideoVader in another thread for pointing out the bigotry that Bush's Iraq speech presupposes.
 
2005-06-29 10:25:39 PM
So muslims are like Irish and South Americans?

That is reason enough to wipe them from the earth.



"That doesn't even make sense..."
 
2005-06-29 10:25:39 PM
scores of maps which described New York City with startling accuracy

OMG, the American Automobile Association is a terrorist organization. As why else would a group have maps of "startling accuracy"?
 
2005-06-29 10:25:51 PM
Slackfumasta
STFU about the NUMBERS of our soldiers who died in Iraq. You think 1800 is a huge number? Try 400000+ who died in WWII. Iraq doesn't even begin to compare.


WWII ran longer than we have been in Iraq so far. Warfare and medical care were drastically different back then. What we are seeing instead of a larger death count there are lots of injured soldiers instead. These numbers are swept under the rug by Bush Co. The same people right now trying to cut the Veteran's Admin budget. Instead of lots of body bags we are bringing soldiers home minus limbs or with major head trauma or other issues that will effect them the rest of their lives. Bush is cutting the budget to care for them..you know the long standing deal the country has with its soldiers that we will be there for them as honor for their sacrifice.
 
2005-06-29 10:25:59 PM
jojofark

It's worth looking at that National Intelligence Estimate. I highly recommend downloading it and comparing it to the WMD Commission's findings. The discrepencies between what was known and what was given to Congress are extremely disturbing. It's a scandal that there was never an investigation into how and why those alterations were made.
 
2005-06-29 10:26:51 PM
scores of maps which described New York City with startling accuracy

OMG, the American Automobile Association is a terrorist organization. As why else would a group have maps of "startling accuracy"?


I don't know what that says about Google. Their maps even have real pictures!
 
2005-06-29 10:28:27 PM
"the National Review comes to conclusions that directly contradict the findings of the 9/11"

No, they don't. The 9/11 commission only said that it was unable to prove there was a connection between Saddam Hussein and the 9/11 attack itself, not that such a link was demonstrable false, nor that links between Al Quida and Iraq didn't exist. Why don't you try reading the report rather than spouting off?
 
2005-06-29 10:28:34 PM
The Qur'an is almost as silly as the Bible:

#
9: Repentance

# Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve. 3

# Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 5

# Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory. 14

# Don't let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire. 17

# Don't make be friends with with your disbelieving family members. Those who do so are wrong-doers. 23

# Allah punished those who disbelieved. 26

# Only idolaters are unclean. Keep them away from your places of worship. 28

# Fight against Christians and Jews who disbelieve in Allah. 29

# Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them. 30

# Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to Christians and Jews. 34

# Allah does not guide the disbelievers. 37

# Fight for Allah with your wealth and whatever weapons are available to you. 41

# Disbelievers go to hell. 49

# Those who vex the Prophet, for them there is a painful doom. 60

# Those who oppose Allah and His messenger will burn in the fire of hell. 63

# Allah promises hypocrites and disbelievers the fire of hell. Allah curses them. They will have a lasting torment. 68

# Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 73

# Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. 74

# God will not forgive disbelievers, so don't ask. 80

# Don't pray for dead disbelievers. 84

# For disbelievers there will be a painful doom. 90

# Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 111

# Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 113

# Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 123
10: Jonah

# Disbelievers will have a boiling drink and a painful doom. 4

# Those who neglect Allah's revelations will make their home in the Fire. 7-8

# Allah has destoyed entire generations. 13

# Denying the revelations of Allah is the worst sin imaginable. 17

# Those who disbelieved will face a dreadful doom. 70

# Allah drowned those who disbelieved his revelations. 73

# Moses asked Allah to harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they would not believe until they saw the painful doom. 88
 
2005-06-29 10:28:39 PM
So muslims are like Irish and South Americans?

No, actually the argument is that terrorists are like terrorists, regardless of where they come from... the non-terrorist majorities of muslims, irish, and south americans are neither much like one another, nor our concern. The idiotic statement made was that muslims=terrorists... that kind of generalization is wrong, no matter how weird or backward the religion may seem to me or others.
 
2005-06-29 10:29:04 PM
What do these four things have in common?

 
2005-06-29 10:30:47 PM
pshaw:

2005-06-29 10:29:04 PM pshaw [TotalFark]

What do these four things have in common?


They've all been up my ass?
 
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