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2005-06-26 11:24:01 PM  
North Carolina: Too poor to afford not to smoke.
 
2005-06-27 12:28:39 AM  
"A penny is a huge increase when the tax is 5 cents," said Lew Starling, a lobbyist for JR Tobacco

A penny is only a huge increase when you live in North Carolina...any other place, and nobody even cares.
 
2005-06-27 12:29:09 AM  
I blame Bush
/oh wait
 
2005-06-27 12:30:14 AM  
Meh, more people smokin' - more old farts on oxygen tanks - tobacco farmers get rich?

/*yawn*
 
2005-06-27 12:31:53 AM  
"I" "Raised" "the" "North Carolina" "tax for" "cigarettes" -Gorge Bush
 
2005-06-27 12:33:13 AM  
/late edit (Gorge Bush not Gorge) :P
 
2005-06-27 12:33:58 AM  
OMG I SUK AT TYPING DISREGARD ALL COMMENTS EVER
 
2005-06-27 12:36:23 AM  
I pay $21 a carton for camels in NC. I bout shiat when my bro told me they are like 5 bucks a pack in new mexico. They go much higher and it's quittin time.
 
2005-06-27 12:36:36 AM  
Oh come now, we're not nearly as poor as West Virginia...

/trying to divert all the scorn and ridicule somewhere else...
//State motto: "Thank you for smoking!"
///West Virginia: "One big, happy family. Really."
 
2005-06-27 12:36:37 AM  
Even at the Duke Homestead historic site in Durham, where the patriarch of the family for which Duke University is named first grew and processed tobacco, there are few visitors with relatives who can remember working the fields.

/duke sucks
//obligatory
 
2005-06-27 12:37:30 AM  
EL CHEAPO!
 
2005-06-27 12:37:40 AM  
Keeping cigarette taxes low helps NC sell thousands of cartons of cigarettes to out-of-staters. If that price goes up it will cut in on the state's revenue. I'm willing to bet that plenty of folks make road trips to NC to load up on cheap cigarettes and then drive back to wherever cigarette prices are outrageous. Either they smoke them and save some cash, or they sell them and make a nice profit.

In Virginia (which also has a very low cigarette tax) there is a law in the works, or has already been passed, that restricts the a person to buying only 40 cartons of cigarettes at a time. Why any state would want to inhibit someone from contributing easy tax money is beyond me.
 
2005-06-27 12:37:43 AM  
Smoking is bad, therefore smokers lose the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Thank goodness we don't apply the same logic to homosexuals. Oh, wait.

Freedom is freedom.
 
2005-06-27 12:39:08 AM  
Stupid North Carolina hillbillies.
 
2005-06-27 12:40:08 AM  
I pay 8 bucks (Canadian) a pack. Feel free to mock the stupid smoker.

I don't pay for pot though.
 
2005-06-27 12:41:00 AM  
Raise it by $5.00 or 300% what ever is greater.

People that smoke suck and should commit suicide so us non-smokers can enjoy cleaner air.

Seriously...smokers = LOSERS in every sense of the word.

Who the hell would burn something and inhale toxic substances?

In the future they will look back and kids will ask their parents, "Ma, Pa, How did society figure out who the stupid people were?" ...."Well junior they had this thing called cigarettes that they would burn and inhale for a high. It caused cancer and made them die quicker...they were the stupid ones." ..."Wow!!!", said Junior.
 
2005-06-27 12:42:05 AM  
Non smokers pay for most of smoker's health care. The higher the tobacco tax the smaller proportion of money non-smokers have to pay for people who make stupid choices.

Smoke all you want, just don't ask me to foot the bill when you get sick (and you will). Make smokers pay more for health insurance like they do for life insurance. And cut smokers off federal and state aid unless they quit.

Smokers are idiots

So are legislators who cave to tobacco lobbyists
 
2005-06-27 12:42:17 AM  
Shadow Fairy- I'm more inclined to mock the governments that are assraping us when this is the only small pleasure we get out of life...
 
2005-06-27 12:43:23 AM  
You can get a carton of decent smokes down here in Florida for around $12.00
 
2005-06-27 12:45:13 AM  
Here's another fun fact about my home state of North Carolina:

You can buy up to 99 cartons of cigarettes per day without having a distribution license. :)

It's definitely harder to quit smoking here than in other places. Most restaurants have a smoking section, and a pack of Camel Lights costs between $2.85 and $3.15 .
 
2005-06-27 12:45:19 AM  
No, it's SmokeNazis like BiggerBastard who are the true losers.

How old are you?

/ex-smoker
 
2005-06-27 12:45:34 AM  
These retards that cross state lines waste precious gas. We spent $200 billion in Iraq for that gas, PRESERVE IT!
 
2005-06-27 12:46:36 AM  
Next time you see a smoker go up and take their cigarette from them and burn a hole right between the eyes!

LOL, I'd pay to see it!
 
2005-06-27 12:46:41 AM  
5 cents? A penny? Try Michigan's $2.00 a pack tax, a carton of red's costs me 41.39 and 20.00 of that goes right to MI plus another 6% sales tax...

LOL
 
2005-06-27 12:47:20 AM  
Make smokers pay more for health insurance like they do for life insurance.

Umm, they have been doing this for quite a while now.
 
2005-06-27 12:48:41 AM  
biggerbastard

Nicotine is more addictive than cocaine. You can choose to fault people for being addicted to nicotine, sure. While you're at it, don't forget fat people. Their fatasses are also responsible for rising health care costs. And also, prostates. I refuse to give up my prostate even though i know 1 out of 16 men develope prostate disease.
 
2005-06-27 12:48:43 AM  


//See Smoking Loser
 
2005-06-27 12:48:51 AM  
Let me take this time to point out why North Carolina was founded.
 
2005-06-27 12:50:21 AM  
Oh radarlove, Thank you. I was hoping that somebody out there would understand.

In Canada, most of the profits from lottories go into healthcare, so I contribute quite a lot.
 
2005-06-27 12:50:49 AM  
delsydsoftware-

Wow...you can't smoke indoors anywhere in my town, and indeed in a decent portion of my entire state. And you have to be at least 20 feet away from the door of any buisness. And smokes are $4-$5 a pack.

The other day I was sitting on the picnic table in front of my apartment smoking. A bicyclist (you know the kind...lycra shorts and all) rode up, stopped in front of me, got off his bike, pulled his water bottle out and doused my cigarette.

"You'll thank me later," he said.

So I stood up, walked over to his bike, pulled out my Zippo, and lit his bicycle seat on fire.

"Thanks," I replied, and walked away. Now we're even.

/foam apparently goes up pretty quick
 
2005-06-27 12:51:32 AM  
I'm currently blowing a big lungful of rich Camel smoke in your sorry-ass self-righteous direction, BiggerBastard. Hope it gets there.
 
2005-06-27 12:53:07 AM  
Quote:
2005-06-27 12:48:41 AM robot monkey


biggerbastard

Nicotine is more addictive than cocaine. You can choose to fault people for being addicted to nicotine, sure. While you're at it, don't forget fat people. Their fatasses are also responsible for rising health care costs. And also, prostates. I refuse to give up my prostate even though i know 1 out of 16 men develope prostate disease


Just the government failing to protect the stupid and allowing tobacco sales in the first place. Yes, I agree fat people are also in the same boat and should be arrested and hung in jail and starved to their ideal weight and given a intensive nutritional schooling with exam with 96% pass requirement before being let back out on the street. Also while we are at it we should issue everyone a Fast Food ID Card that allows only so many meals at fast food outlets and install stiff penalties for violating the limit.

Morgan Spurlock would be with me on that one.
 
2005-06-27 12:54:26 AM  
Just a thought...

Have they considered ADDING extra carcinogens to cigarettes? ...maybe lace them with cyanide? I mean, if people choose to kill themselves, let them do it, only do it quickly so as not to harm the health of others who choose NOT to kill themselves. It'll save a lot of health care bills as well.

"The gene pool could use a little chlorine"
 
2005-06-27 12:54:34 AM  
Dude, BiggerBastard, you really need to go back to trolling school...you're seriously not the calibre we've come to expect here on Fark.
 
2005-06-27 12:54:47 AM  
I support higher cigarette taxes for one reason: if they go up, my mom will quit. I have no sympathy for people who make money from tobacco.
 
2005-06-27 12:55:58 AM  
2005-06-27 12:51:32 AM BunkoSquad
I'm currently blowing a big lungful of rich Camel smoke in your sorry-ass self-righteous direction, BiggerBastard. Hope it gets there.


You'll probably die before it reaches me. R.I.P.
 
2005-06-27 12:56:17 AM  
Brratt- But I WANT to kill you. See, that's the thing that people don't get. It's not that we don't care what our secondhand smoke does to your poor pink lungs. We REALLY care...just not in the way you want us to.
 
2005-06-27 12:56:49 AM  
lol smoking? gimme a break, it's not junior high anymore farkers, get a grown man habit like coffee or cocaine

/losers
 
2005-06-27 12:57:32 AM  
Health care has been covered... The truth of the matter, well in Michigan anyways is that very little of the $2.00 goes to any sort of health fund... Most of it goes to the general fund, a few cents to 'indigent people in Wayne county'..

I don't mind the $2.00 tax, I'll never be told what I should and shouldn't do when something is legal, however, I do believe 50% should go to all state health provided services and the other half to prevention and cessation programs.

But then again, this is a Government we are talking about, and not a common sense factory...

Food for thought:

Michigan's excise tax per pack of cigarettes: $2.000
Michigan's excise tax collection for the fiscal year ending June 2003: $828,678,000

Number of six-packs of beer that must be sold in Michigan to produce the same state excise tax revenue generated by one carton of cigarettes: 66.7
Number of bottles of wine that must be sold in Michigan to produce the same state excise tax revenue generated by one carton of cigarettes: 74.2

$1,257,024,000 has been paid to Michigan through Fiscal Year 2003 since the Master Settlement Agreement was signed on November 23, 1998.


Where's the money Jenny?
 
2005-06-27 12:57:51 AM  
radarlove...exactly my point

lace cigs w/cyanide, and problem solved
 
2005-06-27 12:57:53 AM  
"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."

Bigger Bastard I love how you live on the other side of the country as me, we've never met, yet somehow you feel its OK to dictate how I live my life, even though it will never affect yours.
 
2005-06-27 12:57:55 AM  
Meh... w/e tax is tax, i dont like cigarettes, and i'd rather not be around it and i like the whole things that keep it away from everyone, but im not so militant as to want them to die or go broke.

/relative smokes
//loves to smoke... something else. :\
 
2005-06-27 12:58:34 AM  
Speaking of cigarettes, where is the outrage over the price of nicotine gum and patches? The patch costs about $60 a week for the whole 7 week program. All of the patch and gum programs gradually ween you off of nicotine, when the same results could be accomplished in 1-2 weeks.
 
2005-06-27 12:58:37 AM  
UglyPerson
OMG I SUK AT TYPING DISREGARD ALL COMMENTS EVER

You need to relax. Maybe take a vacation. May I suggest here?

 
2005-06-27 12:59:25 AM  
2005-06-27 12:54:34 AM radarlove

Dude, BiggerBastard, you really need to go back to trolling school...you're seriously not the calibre we've come to expect here on Fark.


Sorry to disappoint you on this one Radarlove, I'm not usually this bad but I hate smoking with a murderous passion. The logic of smoking and smokers, corporations and government really piss me off to genocidial levels. One day it will be abolished.
 
2005-06-27 12:59:57 AM  
BiggerBastard: You'll probably die before it reaches me. R.I.P.

Nah. I plan on hanging in there long enough to see smoking rates fall enough that the government has to tax the holy hell out of something you like. And then I'm going to cleverly use bold text and large images to mock your frustration on the Internet.
 
2005-06-27 01:01:06 AM  
I used to work in the restaurant biz. A girl I worked with died of lung cancer at the "ripe" old age of 39. The cause? lung cancer...she didn't smoke, but her customers did. She left behind 2 children, one less than a year old who will never have memories of her mother.

Anyone who feels it's okay to force others to breathe their toxic air because they feel they have the right to kill themselves (as well as others) can go straight to hell.
 
2005-06-27 01:03:27 AM  
BiggerBastard-

Okay, well if it really pisses you off that much then why are you sitting here TALKING about it instead of going out there and DOING something about it? I'm not talking about marching in some namby-pamby anti-smoking rally or any shiat like that, either. If smokers truly make you that pissed off, get a knife, go outside, and stab the first smoker you see. It's late, and if you do it somewhere dark you probably won't even get caught. And there will be one less smoker in the world.

I'm completely serious about this. Quit talking about it and DO IT already! shiat or get off the pot!
 
2005-06-27 01:03:36 AM  
We need to start keeping tabs on these smokers. I dont feel safe knowing they can travel freely.
 
2005-06-27 01:04:20 AM  
BiggerBastard:

Hate away, I'll be outside smoking if you need me...
 
2005-06-27 01:04:31 AM  
I thought Kentucky had the cheapest cig tax at 3 cents a pack? Someone correct me, I am confused.
 
2005-06-27 01:04:57 AM  
Brratt- Planning on it, but not before I take a whole mess of oher people with me...
 
2005-06-27 01:06:40 AM  
2005-06-27 12:57:53 AM Shadow Fairy
"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."
Bigger Bastard I love how you live on the other side of the country as me, we've never met, yet somehow you feel its OK to dictate how I live my life, even though it will never affect yours.


Smoking is the sin and I don't smoke so I have no sin and can through the first stone. It's not about me, it's about building a better society and better place for others. We have enough chemicals and crap in the environment we don't need to be adding to the problem. Just imagine the emissions given off by all smokers everywhere if 25% of the population is retarded and smokes. That is a lot of pollution. Never mind the run off for dead and decomposing bodies that have been saturated with all the toxins over the years. I bet maggots die soon after they reach a corpse like that, or maybe they are smart enough to avoid it. Anyways, smoking is bad, there are not benefits what so ever and if it wasn't a tax thing it would have been banned years ago as it is the job of the Gov't to protect it's people when they are too dumb to protect themselves. Some reason a old video game comes to mind..."Lemmings." So if you have sin, repent ye ways and quit that disgusting habit and be a roll model for others and assist them in quitting too. Everyone will have more money, live better lives and have longer lives feeling healthy. Stop smelling like a butt! Last time I kissed a girl that smoked I threw up in my mouth! Gross
 
2005-06-27 01:07:24 AM  
BiggerBastard

Smoking will never be abolished for one reason: southern states depend on tobacco to boost their economies. If they outlaw tobbacco, as they have marijuana, the south would lose tons of money and would go broke. No one wants that, in terms of the U.S government. So until the south comes up with a way to make money outside of tobacco, I think I'll keep smoking these Reds.
 
2005-06-27 01:08:19 AM  
BiggerBastard

Lucky for you they aren't planning to tax bad grammar.
 
2005-06-27 01:09:35 AM  
well, you may reread the last line of my last post again.

I can't speak for BiggerBastard, but I have helped in the anti-smoking lobby here in CA. Eat it.
 
2005-06-27 01:11:42 AM  
I used to work in the restaurant biz. A girl I worked with died of lung cancer at the "ripe" old age of 39. The cause? lung cancer...she didn't smoke, but her customers did. She left behind 2 children, one less than a year old who will never have memories of her mother.

Anyone who feels it's okay to force others to breathe their toxic air because they feel they have the right to kill themselves (as well as others) can go straight to hell.


You know, if you have a basement - radon gas (a natural colorless, orderless gas) causes lung cancer too - should basements go to hell?
 
2005-06-27 01:14:13 AM  
RadarLove

As much as that might feel good it would be ineffective.

I like the more calculated and sophisticated methods of shock and awe and mass casualty.

Let's get a stadium for New Years eve and make it a "Smokers Only" event.

Then we can embed a nuclear bomb in the dropping ball and take out 25-50,000 at once. Nice thing is that you wouldn't take out non-smokers. Very surgical and effective and it doesn't leave any tobacco by products after to harm the environment. The radiation actually serves as a cleansing agent.

Not a one man job, can I count on your help?
 
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2005-06-27 01:14:55 AM  
Smoke'em if ya got'em:)
 
2005-06-27 01:15:02 AM  
(disclaimer-I am a smoker)

The problem I have with these absurd cigarette taxes is that the money being pulled in from them is NOT going to combat the reasons that they are taxing them in the first place.

Look at the tobacco settlement money. Billions and billions of dollars. Did you see your health insurance premiums go down in the last few years? I sure as hell didn't.

Just looking at it on a microscale, look at NYC. Pretty much the highest taxes on smokes around (about 4+ bucks a pack). Last I saw numbers, around 25% of NYers smoke. NY has a population of ~8 million, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and lop off 2 million as being minors.

Thats 6 million people left, or about 1.5 million smokers. To make math easier, I'll say the average person smokes less than a pack a day, so you have roughly 1 million packs of cigarettes sold.

1,000,000x3x365. Thats roughly a BILLION and a half bucks a year in taxes, and thats NYC alone, and being very conservative on the math.

Why isn't this money being taken and dumped into, say cancer research, which would benefit everyone, non smokers alike, and long term help reduce the costs associated with smoking? Why isn't it just being purely pumped into the healthcare system in any way, to offset some of the costs smokers incur? Hell, why not use it to distribute free stop smoking aids to people who want them? (its actually cheaper to buy a pack of cigs than a days dosage of nicorette, which turns some people off) Again everyone wins.

What do we get instead? It goes to run of the mill budget crap, and things like the dumbass Truth adds on tv, in case there was someone out there dumb enough to think smoking wasn't bad. (and i am sure yelling at philip morris's HQ with a bullhorn is the way to sway him).

What is going to happen is this. Eventually it will get to damn expensive to smoke, and you will have large numbers of people quitting because of price. Now you will loose all that revenue, and need to find it someplace else. As everyone always points out, based on the logic these tax laws are passed on, Booze and anything other than grape nuts should be taxed 10x worse than smokes.

If you are going to tax me off a bad health habit, i expect to be credited for my good ones (eating right, excercizing, etc).
 
2005-06-27 01:16:04 AM  
You know, if you have a basement - radon gas (a natural colorless, orderless gas) causes lung cancer too - should basements go to hell?

I don't have a basement, so does that mean that radon gas does not cause lung cancer?

She didn't have a basement either. She had an upstairs condo.
 
2005-06-27 01:17:23 AM  
BiggerBastard - I bet you were happy when the planes bought down the twin towers... A lot of smokers were killed that day..
 
2005-06-27 01:19:50 AM  
Brratt

You're assigning causality where it can't be assigned. There's lots that can cause lung cancer. Without having the full backround of someone, like all the places they've worked and lived, there's no way to pin it on cigs alone.

/had a lovely Davidoff cigar earlier tonight
 
2005-06-27 01:20:07 AM  
One other thing:

As a smoker i agree with not being able to smoke in restraunts, indoor public places, and even *gasp* bars (although i felt NYC should have went kicking and screaming, not following the lead of friggin california).

but please, please, please stop with your second hand smoke nazism outside, when you are 10 feet away from a smoker. If you are that sensitive to tobacco smoke, i have a hard time understanding how you don't hack up your lungs just by living in a city, and all its inherent air polution. For some reason you are able to breathe fine while standing next to an Idling bus, but god forbid a guy smoking passes within 20 feet of you.
 
2005-06-27 01:20:40 AM  
The sanctimoneous bleating of the SmokeNazis is truly a sight to behold.

Except for BiggerBastard, that is; he's just a typical thimbledick troll trying to stir the shiat in a thread.

And if he wasn't Canadian I'd figure him for well under 25.
 
2005-06-27 01:21:20 AM  
Actually best thing to do would be to ban the use of additives and various preservatives. Which weren't used in cigarettes until the late 50's and early 60's depending on the brand. If the pure food and drug act applies to coke, shouldn't it apply to Camels?
 
2005-06-27 01:22:12 AM  
Ahh, North Carolina. Where in restaurants and other places of business, the signs say, "Thank you for smoking." Seriously. And my mother wonders why I developed asthma.
 
2005-06-27 01:23:16 AM  
BiggerBastard: there are not benefits what so ever

You've never had a cigarette after really really good sex.
 
2005-06-27 01:24:24 AM  
Holden C-

Disclaimer- I smoke and I am trying to quit. I cannot defend smoking, it is unhealty.

I do pay more for health and life insurance. I think most people would agree that insurance companies are close to the top of the list as far as greedy corporations go. Most of them will go out of their way to make an extra buck.

Insurance companies also spend a lot of money on actuaries and statisticians. These people spend their time analyzing how long I am going to live and what the chances are that I am going to have a major accident or illness.

So, you would think that a basically greedy industry that pays its' employees millions to figure out how and when I am going to die, would be charging me out the rear because I smoke. My monthly health premiums are about $40 more than a non-smokers. Not a lot.

Fact is, the gov't doesn't give a flying shiat about my health or yours. If it did, smoking would be banned altogether.

It's all about the money. But don't worry, sooner or later the gov't will go after something included in your lifestyle. Only a matter of time. Check out the Md. legislature, which tried to impose a $750 tax on SUV's last year. Yeah, those legislators caved to lobbyists too.

/I still need to quit smoking
// I don't drink, maybe we should ban drinking since it wouldn't bother me. Hasn't that been tried already?
 
2005-06-27 01:24:31 AM  
2005-06-27 01:17:23 AM UberNeuman
BiggerBastard - I bet you were happy when the planes bought down the twin towers... A lot of smokers were killed that day..


Actually no, that was the worst thing I have seen in my life. That is terrible of you to suggest such a thing. That was a muslim thing and I ain't even close to looking like one, or nor do I have any part of my name that is connected with mohammed. I am sure of the profits the terrorists made of their investments into the tobaco companies helped fund that unfortunate event though.
 
2005-06-27 01:25:38 AM  
BiggerBastard-

Not a one man job, can I count on your help?

As a smoker, I'm afraid it's not my cup of tea. But you're thinking big, and I like that. Think about the PRECEDENT you'll set! The MESSAGE that you'll send! The problem with this country is that too many people are content to just sit around and biatch on an online forum instead of actually getting off of their collective asses and DOING something. Even when the majority of them actually DO something, it's usually just biatching in a public forum or biatching while walking or passing out literature so that they can biatch without talking. But to stand up and actually STOP the problem by KILLING the people that are doing what you don't like...now THAT'S activism!

I applaud you, provided that you actually carry your plans to fruition.
 
2005-06-27 01:26:14 AM  
yet one more reason to give up cigs and go to cigars instead.. far superior, you can actualy enjoy them without feeling like an addict, as of yet the media is not trying to guilt cigar smokers into stopping, etc, etc

only good thing about being stuck in the sandbox...

*points at box of cubans on desk*
 
2005-06-27 01:28:21 AM  
BiggerBastard - many men and women who smoked died that day - isn't that what you wanted?
 
2005-06-27 01:28:26 AM  
UberNewman, that's a moronic argument.

LineNoise, you make a decent point about your good habits, however, because you exercise that really doesn't mean that it counteracts the smoking.

Smoking kills. Period. Anyone who says differently is in denial.

I don't necessarily agree that it should be okay if people stay away from entrances from public buildings, because people aren't considerate enough to adhere to rules such as that. Just today I went to the mall and when I left, there were 3 idiots smoking right outside the front door.
This isn't an occasional occurence, it's daily.

cargrrl, yes there are other things that cause lung cancer as well. If any of those things (such as owning a basement) was such a high risk that it would increase your insurance premium (like smoking does), then it should be banned as well.
 
2005-06-27 01:30:51 AM  
Brratt

How long does it take you to walk to the mall?
 
2005-06-27 01:31:20 AM  
UberNewman, if you want to try to compare 9/11 to smoking, that would make smokers=Osama bin Laden (as they play the role of killers in this movie).
The victims are the innocent people (who have to breathe the secondhand smoke).
 
2005-06-27 01:31:30 AM  
BiggerBastard:
I bet you're one of those whiny militant assholes who goes up to people who are smoking and start coughing in their direction or tell them how bad cigarettes are. You also probably think the government is there to protect us from ourselves and they need to hold our hand.
You probably think seat belt, helmet, and anti-firework laws are a good idea, too.
I really hate people like you trying to force their views on others. I choose to smoke, it's my prerogative. I know it's harmful, but I enjoy it.
If I ever meet a self-righteous bastard like you who tells me to put my cigarette out, I'd just laugh and blow it in your face.
 
2005-06-27 01:32:16 AM  
Bunko, about 5 minutes, depending on how close of a parking spot I get. What the hell does that have to do with anything?
 
2005-06-27 01:32:21 AM  
Brratt - maybe if I were addressing you, I care what you thought....
 
2005-06-27 01:33:33 AM  
Brratt

Actually no one can outlaw cell reproduction gone haywire for genetic reasons. Also things like absestos and various other forms of air pollution are pretty well regulated as is. As for radon, there's places you can't build houses because of it. But that doesn't mean people aren't exposed to it.

Of course all this will fly out the window when they find a reliable cure for cancer. When that happens, then what?

And the only thing that kills is life, no one ever makes it out alive.
 
2005-06-27 01:33:40 AM  
2005-06-27 01:23:16 AM feepness
BiggerBastard: there are not benefits what so ever
You've never had a cigarette after really really good sex.


Actually, no I haven't. I would be out of breath and struggling to get vital oxygen back into my body so I do not collapse and would be too busy downing a jug of Gatorade. Smoking would hamper my ability to give her every bit of durability and stamina that she deserves as well as a "properly working device" that smokers have problems because of restricted blood vessels that end up in "Mr.LIMPY!"

radarlove: Thanks for the props, unfortunately my schedule only allows me to plan. I am a project manager so everything would be very thorough with a lot of contingency plans to guaranteed success. If you got some quality grunts to help the cause sent them my way.
 
2005-06-27 01:33:51 AM  
Bunko, about 5 minutes, depending on how close of a parking spot I get. What the hell does that have to do with anything?

Oh, so you drive. How many of my cigarettes equals the amount of exhaust your car emits?

And I'm sorry about your friend, but has there been any conclusive proof that her cancer was caused by cigarette smoke, and not by the general air quality of your city?
 
2005-06-27 01:33:55 AM  
Uber, I was just trying to help you, watching you sinking. Go ahead and make a fool of yourself if you wish...
 
2005-06-27 01:34:35 AM  
radarlove

Please post that Jesus picture that's in your profile.
Thank you.
 
2005-06-27 01:35:10 AM  
"Last time I kissed a girl that smoked I threw up in my mouth!"

Hmmm so you are a die hard anti-smoker, yet you would go out w/ a girl that smokes?

Strikes me as a little hypocritical, you hate smoking, but if you get a shot at getting your dick wet it might be worth letting it slide?

Oh wait, I'll bet you didn't know she smoked, right? But how could that be when someone as die-hard as you usually complains about how bad smokers smell, or can detect smoke from 100 yds away.

You sir are full of shiat.
 
2005-06-27 01:35:49 AM  
Hmm, I just thought of a new internet rule, IF YOU ARE DISAGREEING WITH PEOPLE AND HAVE NO POINT OTHER THAN WHAT YOU THINK USE BOLD. If there's one thing I hate more than German nazis its smoking nazis.
 
2005-06-27 01:35:55 AM  
 
2005-06-27 01:37:00 AM  
? This coming from a guy whose name is used in comics as a fart sound!

/Let me crack a cheek - Brratt!
 
2005-06-27 01:37:46 AM  
Yes there is proof...most people who live here enjoy a much longer lifespan than 39 years. Those who don't are typically (read "always") victim of some sort of other circumstance. Her doctor said that she likely fell victim to secondhand smoke, since all scientific studies conclusively state that secondhand smoke is much more dealy that firsthand smoke.

...and I drive a hybrid car or a motorcycle, depending on how I feel any day...BOTH of which are much better than any of your typical cars on the street.
 
2005-06-27 01:39:08 AM  
2005-06-27 01:31:30 AM CuttySupreme

Comment omitted for lack of substance



1. Smoking bad
2. Fireworks Good= Love M80's, Cherry Bombs, and Block Busters.
3. Your nick is CuttySupreme, what hell does that represent? Are you some kinda of obsessive mad farter? Do you like to cut it good!? Do you fart in bed and put your head under the sheets and inhale big breaths!? Or are you a butcher? Please elaborate.
 
2005-06-27 01:39:57 AM  
Brratt:

all scientific studies conclusively state that secondhand smoke is much more dealy that firsthand smoke.


But then why do you want to add cyanide to cigarettes? Won't it just kill nonsmokers first?

Not that I'm necessarily against it...
 
2005-06-27 01:43:19 AM  
Bunko

It's not likely that someone will ingest cyanide from across the room. Make firsthand smoke more deadly than secondhand smoke, then maybe smokers might care a bit more (or perhaps they won't)
 
2005-06-27 01:45:10 AM  
radarlove

You were the one to create the Sin City/Pope picture? I salute you!

/also smokes, under 20 years old
 
2005-06-27 01:45:48 AM  
Maybe if they put in a chemical to give smokers diarrhea that it would make them possibly quit? Yes? No? Maybe?
 
2005-06-27 01:47:22 AM  
When our troops in Iraq are having a smoke, do you wish them dead or harmed?
 
2005-06-27 01:47:41 AM  
a note Biggerbastard and the smoking eichmanns:

One day it will be your vice of choice that is put on the no-no list.

then what?
 
2005-06-27 01:47:51 AM  
UberOsama,
You may make fun of my USERname if you wish. I can always change it with the quick click of a mouse.

It would take, however, quite a bit of studying before you could ever qualify as a slug.
 
2005-06-27 01:48:40 AM  
2005-06-27 01:47:22 AM UberNeuman
When our troops in Iraq are having a smoke, do you wish them dead or harmed?


No, but they aren't making it better for themselves. Obvious the ememy will be able to smell them out and attack them...
 
2005-06-27 01:49:17 AM  
Brratt - do you speak with a lisp?
 
2005-06-27 01:49:27 AM  
cargrrl82:

2005-06-27 01:19:50 AM cargrrl82 [TotalFark]

Brratt

You're assigning causality where it can't be assigned. There's lots that can cause lung cancer. Without having the full backround of someone, like all the places they've worked and lived, there's no way to pin it on cigs alone.


Considering the massive ongoing dosage of smoke a waitress inhales when working in a smoking environment its pretty likely that her workplace was the largest contributing factor. To try and argue that the case Brratt brought up is insufficiently compelling is downright disingenuous.
 
2005-06-27 01:50:27 AM  
Taking a militant stance against a smoker really hurts more than it helps. If you want to help a smoker quit smoking, don't call him a dumbass...do something to help. Be supportive. Understand that they will become total assholes for a bit. It really isn't easy to quit. If you've never been addicted to something, you have no idea. So, here are some pointers if you want a friend to quit:

1.We know it's bad for us. We watch the same commercials and read the same articles showing that smoking is harmful.

2.We know that it smells bad. Keep in mind that a lot of us can't really smell the smoke anymore.

3.Stress does not help. When you attack someone's character because they smoke, it only stresses them out. More stress=more smoking.

4.We are really sorry that you may have known someone that died of smoking in the past. But, bringing it us pisses us off. Nicotine withdrawl has a funny way of bringing out the asshole in people. Besides, people don't tend to tell stories about their dead relatives or friends UNLESS they're trying to make you feel bad. It doesn't help. Tell us about that stuff after we quit, so it makes us feel better about the decision.

5. Don't bring up the subject all the time. We will just want more cigarettes. Addictions are funny like that.

6. Not everyone started smoking to be cool. Some were bored. Some were depressed. In fact, some people have no interest in being "cool". Give us the benefit of the doubt on this one.

7. That fake coughing crap you do doesn't help. It usually just makes us want to put your eyes out with our cigarette. It's not cute, and it's not funny.

Remember those few things, and you might actually be able to help a friend quit smoking. If you've never been addicted, you'll have to just trust me on this.
 
2005-06-27 01:51:23 AM  
BiggerBastard
How can smoking be a sin when incence is burned liberally in church?
 
2005-06-27 01:53:24 AM  
I am BiggerBastard - Kill 'em all! Too many people in the world to go through pain staking 7 step process.

delsydsoftware hurt my head.
 
2005-06-27 01:55:12 AM  
BiggerBastard:
"Actually no, that was the worst thing I have seen in my life. That is terrible of you to suggest such a thing. That was a muslim thing and I ain't even close to looking like one, or nor do I have any part of my name that is connected with mohammed. I am sure of the profits the terrorists made of their investments into the tobaco companies helped fund that unfortunate event though."

"1. Smoking bad
2. Fireworks Good= Love M80's, Cherry Bombs, and Block Busters.
3. Your nick is CuttySupreme, what hell does that represent? Are you some kinda of obsessive mad farter? Do you like to cut it good!? Do you fart in bed and put your head under the sheets and inhale big breaths!? Or are you a butcher? Please elaborate."


Wow, I'm impressed at how witty you militant anti-smoking Canadians are. I don't think anyone calling themselves "BiggerBastard" should be making fun of anyones name, especially considering how juvenile it is.
If you really must know, CuttySupreme is short for Cutlass Supreme, as in a vehicle made by Oldsmobile.
And by your logic, fireworks are bad also. Not only are they potentially dangerous to the person lighting them off, but innocent bystanders as well, just like cigarettes. So, they should definitely be banned, too.
Also, you say the killing of 2,000+ innocent people in the Twin Towers was tragic, but then you go and say you would gladly kill 25k-50k smokers in a stadium just for the simple fact they smoke?
 
2005-06-27 01:55:42 AM  
WCU_Guy
I thought Kentucky had the cheapest cig tax at 3 cents a pack? Someone correct me, I am confused.

Sadly, for us Kentuckians, that tax now stands at 30 cents per pack. That's one of the main reasons that I'm cutting back on my smoking.

BiggerBastard
If everything you said came to frition, in terms of smoking, then your asinine crusade for cultural purity would surely have to advance to the bannination of ALL fast food (i.e. McDonald's, Wendy's, Hardee's/Carl's Jr.) since it makes everyone fatter, ALL sugar/sweet snacks (i.e. Snickers bars, Ice Cream, Little Debbie snack cakes) because they cause cavities and make your teeth fall out...oh, and don't forget alcoholic beverages (I don't even have to give examples here) because they are associated with heart and liver disease.

The point here is that if I want to smoke (which I happily do), I have the right to smoke, and it doesn't matter if I care about the health risks to myself at this point in time (although I will respect the rights of others in terms of keeping their air clean). Such habits, like the several aforementioned habits, have imlpied risk, meaning we understand what can happen, but we do it anyway. Seriously, BB, you're not gonna change people by force, or by the asinine commentary that you have laced this thread with.
 
2005-06-27 01:55:53 AM  
BiggerBastard - you've wished harm and death on smokers - so with that you are also wishing harm and death on our smoking troops in Iraq...

Why do you hate our smoking troops?
 
CE3
2005-06-27 01:56:05 AM  
several years ago, a study on smoking was released that said a cigar equals 70 cigarettes.


until 5 years ago, i worked for a guy who smoked 10-14 Cuban Cohiba Robusto cigars a day. No exaggeration whatsoever.

to every person annoyed by this insane habit, I informed them he was averaging 840 cigarettes smoked a day and he'd pay for it sooner or later.

I no longer work for the guy, but have been told that he quit...

moral of this story - cigars ain't much better for you.
 
2005-06-27 01:56:36 AM  
delsydsoftware,
what you said may make sense, but how many people here have said that they were in the process of quitting? What about the idiots at the mall? THERE IS A LAW against smoking withing x feet of the entrance to any public building. I know there are people out there who want to quit, and I am all for helping them. If someone tries defending their filthy habit though, saying that there's no proof that it's bad, or that they're content with the idea that they might kill a bunch of innocent people before they go...THOSE are the people who I am against. I don't mind smokers as much who are at the least CONSIDERATE. Obviously you're the only one here who falls into that category (assuming you smoke).
 
2005-06-27 01:57:02 AM  
Shadow Fairy: How can smoking be a sin when incence is burned liberally in church?

Ask a priest that question sometime. It'll be fun watching him justify the religious significance.

\or he'll call your talk 'blasphemous' and end the discussion
 
2005-06-27 01:57:12 AM  
BiggerBastard...

You are just a whiny biatch.

I don't have any pseudo-science claims to refute you.

I don't have any pride or allegiance to either side.

But people should be able to do whatever they want to do.

Sure, you might say "Then people have the right to breathe clean air".
After saying that, you'd probably finish off the sentence with some stupid cliche whiny stuff.

I'd say, their needs are unsubsantiated. They are only trying to prolong the inevitable.

Squeeze a few more years out of their meaningless, worrying lives.

Everybody dies.
Everybody.

Not smoking won't stop that.

Smoking won't change anything.

There used to be a thing called freedom.

Ok, so smoking kills people, let them be.

And if you don't like it, avoid it.
 
2005-06-27 01:58:05 AM  
Shoobie- Yup, the SinCity Pope one is mine as well. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy when people like work that I do! Thanks! =)

And because Diabolic said "please" and "thank you"... =)



(Incidentally, I love my Smokin', PBR Drinkin' Jesus so much that I made a high quality print of it and framed it to hang in my hall. =))
 
2005-06-27 01:58:31 AM  
UberNeuman: Why do you hate our smoking troops?

Troll much?
 
2005-06-27 02:00:05 AM  
Shadow Fairy,
Incence (sic) smoked in church? What church are you going to? Methinks you're smoking too much weed and are beginning to see God.
 
2005-06-27 02:00:19 AM  
2005-06-27 01:51:23 AM Shadow Fairy
BiggerBastard
How can smoking be a sin when incence is burned liberally in church?


Ummm...probably cause incense does not contain all the additive toxic chemicals that cigarettes have...um I thought it was only satantic churches that did that. Your body is a temple, put only good things in it...etc.

BTW: I love the United States and love all the people down there. At least they have balls to stand up for what they believe in unlike wussy cannucks that just sit at home and take it up the *CENSORED*. Every time I hear someone hate on the US I get so pissed. People in this world don't realize where they would be with out the US and its history of inventions and betterment of humanity through technology. Hell, insurgents would be fighting with spears and arrows if it wasn't for the US. One day I will make a documentary on "World without America" and make people sit back and shut up about attacking America.
 
2005-06-27 02:02:39 AM  
Cyber_Junk

Whine much?
 
2005-06-27 02:02:56 AM  
I use to smoke

then I found steroids
 
2005-06-27 02:04:44 AM  
I am a considerate smoker. Hell, i don't even smoke in my apartment, for the benefit of my friends and neighbors. You have to remember that nicotine addiction is very weird. I've caught myself putting up the same arguments before---not because I actually believe them, but mostly because my brain wants nicotine.

It's also weird when you're trying to quit and you're low on money. There have been a few times where I have actually weighed the benefits of getting cigarettes vs. eating dinner when I only had a little bit of money available. Sometimes I'm in control, and sometimes IT is in control. :)

I will say that nicotine gum works, even though it is pretty nasty. I have a box sitting under my desk right now. Once I find a flavor of Altoids that masks the taste of the gum, I'll be set to quit for good. If you haven't tried it, nicotine gum tastes very peppery---like you're chewing on peppercorns. There is a faint minty-like flavor, but it's gone in a few sconds.... :)
 
2005-06-27 02:04:47 AM  
George Burns smoked a cigar a day in the last years of his life and I think he made it 100 didn't he? One of France's oldest women also smoked a cigar a day and she made it to 106. You don't inhale cigars.
 
2005-06-27 02:05:04 AM  
2005-06-27 01:55:53 AM UberNeuman (Osama)
BiggerBastard - you've wished harm and death on smokers - so with that you are also wishing harm and death on our smoking troops in Iraq...

Why do you hate our smoking troops?


Hey Osama, please read ALL of my posts and realize I said I did not wish any harm on your troops. I'd might make a exception for them to smoke over there so they can A."Smoke them out of their holes" B."Kill insurgents with 2nd hand smoke"

Maybe it's time to lay down your Jihad on this thread Osama, we know where you are and we are coming to get you.
 
2005-06-27 02:06:08 AM  
BiggerBastard
One day I will make a documentary on "World without America" and make people sit back and shut up about attacking America.

And then!!

And then!!

I'm going to build a magic rocket ship! And fly to the magic planet of Rimshoo and make my own cool world with cool guys who don't smoke, and get to set off fire works all day and I'm going to call it CoolLand!

And None Of You Jerks Are Invited


Oh.
 
2005-06-27 02:07:36 AM  
JDrabble,
Yes, everybody dies.
Everybody.

But why should people have to die young instead of old?

I know I will die one day. I would prefer it to be in 60 years rather than tomorrow, and if there's anything I can do about that (like NOT smoking, and NOT hanging around smokers), then I'm going to do (or not do) it.

If your life is so meaningless that you're content on people killing each other, then I feel sorry for you. That doesn't mean that it's okay for people to kill others simply because they're inconsiderate or lack willpower.
 
2005-06-27 02:10:43 AM  
ShadowFairy,
You're listing 2 exceptions to the rule. They are EXCEPTIONS.
We are quoting the rule. If you are an exception, then good for you. The rule is that smokers die young. Smokers become impotent. Smokers age more quickly...

Good luck. I don't want to play the odds. It's worse than Vegas.
 
2005-06-27 02:13:52 AM  
Brratt,

Why at 60?

What will you have done then, that you can't do now?

Why aren't you at peace with yourself, and accepting death as a part of life.

Putting it off til you're 60 does nothing, when you are 60, you will want to live til you're 90 and so on.

I could die tomorrow and be fine with it.

Not because of despair or sadness, but because I am comfortable with who I am now. I am fulfilled.

But today people see death as something they should avoid, instead of embrace as the last chapter in their hopefully meaningful lives.
 
2005-06-27 02:14:32 AM  
I have seen people in (Catholic) Cathedrals and Churches pass out from incence being burned near them. Yes Incence doesn't have the added harmful chemicals that cigarettes do, but every kind of smoke is harmful to our lungs. That still doesn't give you the right to judge me, or my actions. Like I said before, why the fark to you care about me? My actions have absolutely no effect on you.
 
2005-06-27 02:17:09 AM  
Brratt
I am happy for you that you chose not to smoke. I'm not being sarcastic there. I just wish that people would accept that I do choose to smoke, and I will try my darndest to not blow my smoke in your general direction.

BTW I only smoke outside.
 
2005-06-27 02:17:56 AM  
JDrabble,
I have places I have yet to see
Things I still want to do
People and experiences I haven't yet experienced
and I am not yet ready to say goodbye to my loved ones (or to put them through that pain)

Good for you that you are ready for death. The vast majority of people aren't where you are in life.

I don't want to rush it, personally.
 
2005-06-27 02:21:51 AM  
ShadowFairy,
IF your actions don't affect me, then I have little argument with you. If all smokers would have the same respect that you do, then I would have little argument at all. Unfortunately, that's not the case.

Thanks for your considerateness (is that a word?)
 
2005-06-27 02:22:50 AM  
The day that bars and restaurants in Nova Scotia went completely smoke-free was a great one. Now, smoking is only allowed in specially constructed and ventilated rooms - you see smokers sitting alone in a little glassed-in section in the corner. If they're lucky, there's a few video lottery stations in there. A lot of places don't even have those; you have to go outside to smoke. Within the next few years, even the smoking rooms will be made illegal.

The bar owners all claimed that they'd be losing scads of money because people wouldn't go out if they couldn't smoke. Complete crap. People go out to drink and socialize even if they can't smoke, they just go outside or into the smoking cubicles when they feel the need to inhale some fumes. It works well for everybody. I don't have to suck back second-hand smoke, smokers can still go outside and stand in a snowbank if the urge hits.
 
CE3
2005-06-27 02:31:54 AM  
I don't smoke, just can't stomach it.

However I do carry around asbestos, another silent killer, as I relish the lack of guilt shown by smokers who go around f'ing up other individuals' lives.

/I kid. Sort of.
 
2005-06-27 02:42:52 AM  
Looks like this thread is dead.

I get the last word...cool.

Umm....the last word will be agitprop
 
2005-06-27 02:44:05 AM  
Freedom is freedom.
Well said, feepness.
 
2005-06-27 02:56:52 AM  


have another one!
 
2005-06-27 03:08:45 AM  
Smoke stinks.
 
2005-06-27 03:24:52 AM  
TakeC:

In Virginia (which also has a very low cigarette tax) there is a law in the works, or has already been passed, that restricts the a person to buying only 40 cartons of cigarettes at a time. Why any state would want to inhibit someone from contributing easy tax money is beyond me.

Well, if they pass a law like that, it can easily be enough to make some lobby or another shut the hell up about whatever 'righteous' crusade they're on against tobacco, which no one else really cares about. Meanwhile, 40 cartons is a shiatload. Not too hard to fill a car when you stop at one place and get 40, then drive to the next place, get 40 more, etc.
 
2005-06-27 04:59:36 AM  
this asshat's bold text is really annoying.

/smoke away
 
2005-06-27 05:09:17 AM  
Here is something that is more addictive than Cigarettes:


And it produces no harmful affects to other people. Just plain ole nicotine up the ole nostrils. It is, however, rather expensive. At one point I was spending upwards of $360 a MONTH on it. I actually started smoking again to get off of it. It is back on my prescription plan, so I'm good to go.
 
2005-06-27 05:59:39 AM  
US smokers: Go East! I suggest Indonesia, the Philippines or China.

I pay the equivalent of less than 50 cents for a pack of 20 HOPE and no-one gives a damn where I smoke.



Admittedly they're menthol, but hey, when they're less than a twentieth of the price than in most US states, who cares? Or if you're feeling rich, buy a pack of Marlboro for nearly $2.

You may feel a slight twinge of culture shock the first time you send a 10 year-old kid to the local store to buy you a couple of beers and a few cigs (yeah, you can buy them singly!) but don't worry, you'll get over it.
 
2005-06-27 06:47:37 AM  
Smoke all you want. But don't complain when I let a total motherfarker of a fart right on you. Same difference.
 
2005-06-27 06:55:07 AM  
The main problem I have with smoking is the chemicals that companies add to make it extra addictive. It's quite easy to make a lower nicotine and additive-free cigarette, that's exactly what they made up until the 50s. Tobacco companies biatch and moan about the government taxing and trying to regulate them, but they've shown themselves to be greedy heartless bastards who deserve everything they get. If "light" cigarettes really were lighter than regulars and tobacco companies didn't do everything in their power to keep their customers hooked, I'd have more sympathy. As it is, I say fark em in the eyehole...
 
2005-06-27 06:55:34 AM  
HOPE Cigarettes? Someone finally nailed the impulse behind the activity. Remarkable. Try getting your hope elsewhere, or all of it will be lost.
 
2005-06-27 07:46:40 AM  
radarlove:

The other day I was sitting on the picnic table in front of my apartment smoking. A bicyclist (you know the kind...lycra shorts and all) rode up, stopped in front of me, got off his bike, pulled his water bottle out and doused my cigarette.


He's lucky all you did was burn his seat. If someone had the balls to do that to me they would bleed for it. Definitely from the nose, possibly from the ears too. People like that need whuppin. They need it bad. Next time the ass rides by, toss a stick in his spokes. Front spokes. Then stomp him a little and then pee on him. Tell hell "You'll thank me later"

Oh, and my smokes just went up to $3.50 a pack and I'm rather pissed about it. If they didn't have the tax increase here, why am I paying $.20 more than I was 2 weeks ago? Greedy shopkeepers?
 
2005-06-27 08:24:36 AM  
Leave my beer alone.
 
2005-06-27 08:42:19 AM  
To quote the late great Bill Hicks,

"I'd quit smoking if I wasn't afraid I'd turn into one of you arseholes."
 
2005-06-27 08:59:55 AM  
Either ban cigarette smoking totally or stop taxing people for it. Yea I'm an ex smoker. The patches work great, the gum sucks; and they are both way too expensive. If our government really cared enough about us instead of the revenue they would ban cigs completely and make treatment free.

In the meantime if somebody wants to smoke then let them smoke. Just pass a law that you cannot smoke in your car with minors as passengers. (How many times have I dropped my daughter off at daycare and see parents pull up. crush their Winston on the pavement, and get Jr out of the carseat, if you are reading this thread then you are an asshat). The same thing goes with smoking in a house with minors, etc.
Feel free to give smokers their own section at restaurants too. Just dont have the table beside a smoking table be non-smoking.
Just make sure as a nonsmoker my family and I do not have to put up with your second hand smoke. In return I will not douse my body in smelly cologne, or fart in public.
 
2005-06-27 09:24:02 AM  
cdbeers66 wins. You're all a bunch of assfarks.
 
2005-06-27 09:37:28 AM  
For the last two years, it has been my policy to spit on any smoker who intentionally blows their smoke at me. (out the side of their mouth in my direction when the other direction is clear)

If they have the right to smoke and to blow it in my face, I certainly have the right to spit, and it's goin back at those biatches!
 
2005-06-27 09:57:12 AM  
Smoking is bad for you, yes, although it may or may not reduce your lifespan (depends on genetics and other factors). The stupid thing is the excuse that raising taxes on cigarettes actually causes fewer smokers. It doesn't (or at least, very little). It's just a way of getting more money off of addicts for the government that they will use on completely unrelated things. Mostly it's a huge tax increase on the poor, as the tax amount on a smoker is a larger part of a poor person's income than a higher income person's. Same deal with the lawsuits against tobacco. The money doesn't go to health costs, it's just a way to grab cash.

The only way to actually reduce the amount of smokers is to make tobacco illegal to buy or sell (not illegal to use or grow or possess, just buy or sell). If they took the profit out of the industry, that would cause fewer smokers, and it wouldn't create a black market, as anyone that really wanted it could grow it legally, or communally. You just couldn't go to a convenience store and pick up a pack on a whim. You'd have to hand roll your cigarettes most likely too, which would make smoking more effort. All the rest of the ideas are just money scams.
 
2005-06-27 09:58:54 AM  
nap2swFL - Genius! And whenever someone's car exhaust blows by me as I walk down the street, I kick their side-view mirror off! That, or key their car.

Be careful drivers, don't piss this pedestrian off with your deathly car-fumes!


/anti-smokers are faygs.
 
2005-06-27 10:06:04 AM  
This thread makes me want a cigarette.
 
2005-06-27 10:20:00 AM  
I like these taxes, considering I'm pretty much unable to be friends with somebody who smokes. They make me sick. Not in the self-righteous ass kind of way, but the smell literally brings me on the verge of vomiting.

Once, my girlfriend let her roommate borrow a shirt to go out to a club. Two weeks and a washing later, she wore it, and I had to make her change it. You might think you don't smell, but hey, people who smell never do.
 
2005-06-27 10:23:47 AM  
The stupid thing is the excuse that raising taxes on cigarettes actually causes fewer smokers. It doesn't (or at least, very little).

The year they raised taxes in CA on cigarettes, cigarette sales dropped 30%. I am curious what statistics you have to support your argument.
 
2005-06-27 10:52:03 AM  
Instead they're going to slap on an 8% movie tax -- some theaters already have petitions in the lobby.

/waiting for the science
 
2005-06-27 11:09:54 AM  
The year they raised taxes in CA on cigarettes, cigarette sales dropped 30%. I am curious what statistics you have to support your argument.

I'm not quoting statistics, I just personally haven't seen anyone ever quit due to the price going up (although some threaten to quit, but I've never known anyone to actually do it. I'm pretty sure I'd notice if 1 in 3 smokers stopped). In CA, I'd consider other reasons for the "sales" drop (black market cigarettes coming over the border from other states or Mexico or the internet), or possibly the rather strict laws enacted (can't smoke hardly anywhere in CA... was the tax the same year that they enacted those laws?)
 
2005-06-27 11:12:13 AM  
Also, I really wouldn't mind them being made illegal (especially cigars... those things smell horrible), but taxing them "for the good of public health" is just b.s. And I do smoke, although only recently again after 5 years off.
 
2005-06-27 11:17:44 AM  
How dare you disparage my cigar. Cigarettes smell like poverty. Cigars smell like your daddy. Whose your daddy?
 
2005-06-27 11:18:42 AM  
Everyone should stop smoking...and start chewing!!

/Family grew tobacco for chew when I was a kid
//worked our asses off, but it kept us off of welfare
 
2005-06-27 11:20:17 AM  
I'm not quoting statistics, I just personally haven't seen anyone ever quit due to the price going up (although some threaten to quit, but I've never known anyone to actually do it. I'm pretty sure I'd notice if 1 in 3 smokers stopped). In CA, I'd consider other reasons for the "sales" drop (black market cigarettes coming over the border from other states or Mexico or the internet), or possibly the rather strict laws enacted (can't smoke hardly anywhere in CA... was the tax the same year that they enacted those laws?)

In CA, Most populated areas (San Diego excepted) are a long way from any border, the tax was NOT the same year as other anti-smoking laws, and in MA in the 90's they conducted a similar measure with similar results (and showed sales in bordering states to have remained consistent). "I am sure I would notice" is hardly the scientific research to support any such claim.
 
2005-06-27 11:42:51 AM  
This won't win me any fans, but here's how I see it. Ban it. Make it illegal. I say this as a smoker. Why? Because people would realize that cigarettes are needed. The taxes off these things carry a large portion of government budgets. Let the non-smokers feel the pinch instead of just those who smoke.

Could I quit? I have before, and I probably will again. I'm not going to get into a 2nd hand smoke arguement because I have before and I don't like to be called an asshole for no reason.

Lastly, the anti-smoking nazi's go to far in my opinion. Where I work we had a smoking lounge. It was self-enclosed and the entrance to it was a hallway, so there was no reason to be there other than if you were going to or leaving from the lounge. It was mostly used for when it was too cold outside or raining. Anti-smoking zealots had it removed. It caused no harm to anyone except smokers. Rather than having a place that was heated and dry, now we have to go outside in winter or out in the rain? We weren't getting 2nd hand smoke in anyone's faces but our own. F you!
 
2005-06-27 11:47:37 AM  
Well, there may be a price point that is high enough to make some people stop (They aren't over $4/pack here yet). I think in classical economics it's called inflexible demand... price doesn't change demand levels. Normally at this level, the black market starts to thrive instead of a drop in demand, but there is a division... some people aren't willing to use the black market, and those people simply drop off the demand (unwillingly, but still). I just know it hasn't happened around me.

It's also possible that combined with the other factors (like peer pressure to quit, health concerns, corny commercials) the extra price pressure causes people to stop, but justifying it as for another reason than price. Still, I don't think anyone that really wants to smoke will stop just for price reasons... the 30% drop could be people just cutting back a little (that will happen with price pressure).
 
2005-06-27 12:29:28 PM  
so long as i can still smoke at bojangles and waffle house, it's all good.

/i miss NC...
 
2005-06-27 02:15:47 PM  
Just moved from the DC area to North Carolina's "Triangle". I don't smoke at all, but I still love it here! Affordable housing, unbelievable politeness, and lots of hiking trails, museums... you can't beat it.
 
2005-06-27 03:00:51 PM  
And you can fark your sister too!
 
2005-06-27 03:07:11 PM  
FormlessOne


North Carolina: Too poor to afford not to smoke.

Way to put forth ignorant stereotypes. The low tax has nothing to do with being poor. It has to do with NC being a huge tobacco producing state and having alot of buisnesses there based on cigarrete production and sales.

It's called not biting the hand that feeds you.
 
2005-06-27 07:08:36 PM  
SMOKERS = TotalSuckage
 
2005-06-27 07:40:25 PM  
NC's low cigarette taxes help terrorists.

No, seriously, they really do.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23384-2004Jun7.html
 
2005-06-27 07:47:33 PM  
People who smoke don't realize how nasty that shiat is to non-smokers.

I can tolerate it, but I don't like it. My wife won't go anywhere near it. It physically makes her ill.

Smoking in public is like farting in public. Sure, it makes you feel better, but it's rude, smelly, and offensive.
 
2005-06-27 09:05:48 PM  
Wayward2,

They should use that in the anti-smoking commercials. Who'd have thought?
 
2005-06-28 02:15:23 AM  
Non smokers who may quote numbers: Just make sure your second hand smoke deaths aren't based on numbers from people who haven't smoked for ten years or more. Because, obviously, long term damage doesn't happen. The Truth lies! (do you guys not in WA state get innudated with anti smoking crap from The Truth.com? Their creepy baby commercials always made me need a cig).
Also: all of this comparison to farting is idiocy. Farting has historically been socially rude. Smoking was never anything to take note of until recently. So shut your useless smoke-holes (and other holes, for that matter)...
Smokers make better lovers!
/well, maybe
//never dated anyone who wasn't a smoker
 
2005-06-28 02:16:23 AM  
ooh just noticed this thread is dead, basically. oh well, the post remains!
 
2005-06-28 02:40:23 AM  
BiggerBastard = UberDickage
 
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