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2005-06-27 01:50:27 AM
Taking a militant stance against a smoker really hurts more than it helps. If you want to help a smoker quit smoking, don't call him a dumbass...do something to help. Be supportive. Understand that they will become total assholes for a bit. It really isn't easy to quit. If you've never been addicted to something, you have no idea. So, here are some pointers if you want a friend to quit:

1.We know it's bad for us. We watch the same commercials and read the same articles showing that smoking is harmful.

2.We know that it smells bad. Keep in mind that a lot of us can't really smell the smoke anymore.

3.Stress does not help. When you attack someone's character because they smoke, it only stresses them out. More stress=more smoking.

4.We are really sorry that you may have known someone that died of smoking in the past. But, bringing it us pisses us off. Nicotine withdrawl has a funny way of bringing out the asshole in people. Besides, people don't tend to tell stories about their dead relatives or friends UNLESS they're trying to make you feel bad. It doesn't help. Tell us about that stuff after we quit, so it makes us feel better about the decision.

5. Don't bring up the subject all the time. We will just want more cigarettes. Addictions are funny like that.

6. Not everyone started smoking to be cool. Some were bored. Some were depressed. In fact, some people have no interest in being "cool". Give us the benefit of the doubt on this one.

7. That fake coughing crap you do doesn't help. It usually just makes us want to put your eyes out with our cigarette. It's not cute, and it's not funny.

Remember those few things, and you might actually be able to help a friend quit smoking. If you've never been addicted, you'll have to just trust me on this.
 
2005-06-27 01:51:23 AM
BiggerBastard
How can smoking be a sin when incence is burned liberally in church?
 
2005-06-27 01:53:24 AM
I am BiggerBastard - Kill 'em all! Too many people in the world to go through pain staking 7 step process.

delsydsoftware hurt my head.
 
2005-06-27 01:55:12 AM
BiggerBastard:
"Actually no, that was the worst thing I have seen in my life. That is terrible of you to suggest such a thing. That was a muslim thing and I ain't even close to looking like one, or nor do I have any part of my name that is connected with mohammed. I am sure of the profits the terrorists made of their investments into the tobaco companies helped fund that unfortunate event though."

"1. Smoking bad
2. Fireworks Good= Love M80's, Cherry Bombs, and Block Busters.
3. Your nick is CuttySupreme, what hell does that represent? Are you some kinda of obsessive mad farter? Do you like to cut it good!? Do you fart in bed and put your head under the sheets and inhale big breaths!? Or are you a butcher? Please elaborate."


Wow, I'm impressed at how witty you militant anti-smoking Canadians are. I don't think anyone calling themselves "BiggerBastard" should be making fun of anyones name, especially considering how juvenile it is.
If you really must know, CuttySupreme is short for Cutlass Supreme, as in a vehicle made by Oldsmobile.
And by your logic, fireworks are bad also. Not only are they potentially dangerous to the person lighting them off, but innocent bystanders as well, just like cigarettes. So, they should definitely be banned, too.
Also, you say the killing of 2,000+ innocent people in the Twin Towers was tragic, but then you go and say you would gladly kill 25k-50k smokers in a stadium just for the simple fact they smoke?
 
2005-06-27 01:55:42 AM
WCU_Guy
I thought Kentucky had the cheapest cig tax at 3 cents a pack? Someone correct me, I am confused.

Sadly, for us Kentuckians, that tax now stands at 30 cents per pack. That's one of the main reasons that I'm cutting back on my smoking.

BiggerBastard
If everything you said came to frition, in terms of smoking, then your asinine crusade for cultural purity would surely have to advance to the bannination of ALL fast food (i.e. McDonald's, Wendy's, Hardee's/Carl's Jr.) since it makes everyone fatter, ALL sugar/sweet snacks (i.e. Snickers bars, Ice Cream, Little Debbie snack cakes) because they cause cavities and make your teeth fall out...oh, and don't forget alcoholic beverages (I don't even have to give examples here) because they are associated with heart and liver disease.

The point here is that if I want to smoke (which I happily do), I have the right to smoke, and it doesn't matter if I care about the health risks to myself at this point in time (although I will respect the rights of others in terms of keeping their air clean). Such habits, like the several aforementioned habits, have imlpied risk, meaning we understand what can happen, but we do it anyway. Seriously, BB, you're not gonna change people by force, or by the asinine commentary that you have laced this thread with.
 
2005-06-27 01:55:53 AM
BiggerBastard - you've wished harm and death on smokers - so with that you are also wishing harm and death on our smoking troops in Iraq...

Why do you hate our smoking troops?
 
CE3
2005-06-27 01:56:05 AM
several years ago, a study on smoking was released that said a cigar equals 70 cigarettes.


until 5 years ago, i worked for a guy who smoked 10-14 Cuban Cohiba Robusto cigars a day. No exaggeration whatsoever.

to every person annoyed by this insane habit, I informed them he was averaging 840 cigarettes smoked a day and he'd pay for it sooner or later.

I no longer work for the guy, but have been told that he quit...

moral of this story - cigars ain't much better for you.
 
2005-06-27 01:56:36 AM
delsydsoftware,
what you said may make sense, but how many people here have said that they were in the process of quitting? What about the idiots at the mall? THERE IS A LAW against smoking withing x feet of the entrance to any public building. I know there are people out there who want to quit, and I am all for helping them. If someone tries defending their filthy habit though, saying that there's no proof that it's bad, or that they're content with the idea that they might kill a bunch of innocent people before they go...THOSE are the people who I am against. I don't mind smokers as much who are at the least CONSIDERATE. Obviously you're the only one here who falls into that category (assuming you smoke).
 
2005-06-27 01:57:02 AM
Shadow Fairy: How can smoking be a sin when incence is burned liberally in church?

Ask a priest that question sometime. It'll be fun watching him justify the religious significance.

\or he'll call your talk 'blasphemous' and end the discussion
 
2005-06-27 01:57:12 AM
BiggerBastard...

You are just a whiny biatch.

I don't have any pseudo-science claims to refute you.

I don't have any pride or allegiance to either side.

But people should be able to do whatever they want to do.

Sure, you might say "Then people have the right to breathe clean air".
After saying that, you'd probably finish off the sentence with some stupid cliche whiny stuff.

I'd say, their needs are unsubsantiated. They are only trying to prolong the inevitable.

Squeeze a few more years out of their meaningless, worrying lives.

Everybody dies.
Everybody.

Not smoking won't stop that.

Smoking won't change anything.

There used to be a thing called freedom.

Ok, so smoking kills people, let them be.

And if you don't like it, avoid it.
 
2005-06-27 01:58:05 AM
Shoobie- Yup, the SinCity Pope one is mine as well. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy when people like work that I do! Thanks! =)

And because Diabolic said "please" and "thank you"... =)



(Incidentally, I love my Smokin', PBR Drinkin' Jesus so much that I made a high quality print of it and framed it to hang in my hall. =))
 
2005-06-27 01:58:31 AM
UberNeuman: Why do you hate our smoking troops?

Troll much?
 
2005-06-27 02:00:05 AM
Shadow Fairy,
Incence (sic) smoked in church? What church are you going to? Methinks you're smoking too much weed and are beginning to see God.
 
2005-06-27 02:00:19 AM
2005-06-27 01:51:23 AM Shadow Fairy
BiggerBastard
How can smoking be a sin when incence is burned liberally in church?


Ummm...probably cause incense does not contain all the additive toxic chemicals that cigarettes have...um I thought it was only satantic churches that did that. Your body is a temple, put only good things in it...etc.

BTW: I love the United States and love all the people down there. At least they have balls to stand up for what they believe in unlike wussy cannucks that just sit at home and take it up the *CENSORED*. Every time I hear someone hate on the US I get so pissed. People in this world don't realize where they would be with out the US and its history of inventions and betterment of humanity through technology. Hell, insurgents would be fighting with spears and arrows if it wasn't for the US. One day I will make a documentary on "World without America" and make people sit back and shut up about attacking America.
 
2005-06-27 02:02:39 AM
Cyber_Junk

Whine much?
 
2005-06-27 02:02:56 AM
I use to smoke

then I found steroids
 
2005-06-27 02:04:44 AM
I am a considerate smoker. Hell, i don't even smoke in my apartment, for the benefit of my friends and neighbors. You have to remember that nicotine addiction is very weird. I've caught myself putting up the same arguments before---not because I actually believe them, but mostly because my brain wants nicotine.

It's also weird when you're trying to quit and you're low on money. There have been a few times where I have actually weighed the benefits of getting cigarettes vs. eating dinner when I only had a little bit of money available. Sometimes I'm in control, and sometimes IT is in control. :)

I will say that nicotine gum works, even though it is pretty nasty. I have a box sitting under my desk right now. Once I find a flavor of Altoids that masks the taste of the gum, I'll be set to quit for good. If you haven't tried it, nicotine gum tastes very peppery---like you're chewing on peppercorns. There is a faint minty-like flavor, but it's gone in a few sconds.... :)
 
2005-06-27 02:04:47 AM
George Burns smoked a cigar a day in the last years of his life and I think he made it 100 didn't he? One of France's oldest women also smoked a cigar a day and she made it to 106. You don't inhale cigars.
 
2005-06-27 02:05:04 AM
2005-06-27 01:55:53 AM UberNeuman (Osama)
BiggerBastard - you've wished harm and death on smokers - so with that you are also wishing harm and death on our smoking troops in Iraq...

Why do you hate our smoking troops?


Hey Osama, please read ALL of my posts and realize I said I did not wish any harm on your troops. I'd might make a exception for them to smoke over there so they can A."Smoke them out of their holes" B."Kill insurgents with 2nd hand smoke"

Maybe it's time to lay down your Jihad on this thread Osama, we know where you are and we are coming to get you.
 
2005-06-27 02:06:08 AM
BiggerBastard
One day I will make a documentary on "World without America" and make people sit back and shut up about attacking America.

And then!!

And then!!

I'm going to build a magic rocket ship! And fly to the magic planet of Rimshoo and make my own cool world with cool guys who don't smoke, and get to set off fire works all day and I'm going to call it CoolLand!

And None Of You Jerks Are Invited


Oh.
 
2005-06-27 02:07:36 AM
JDrabble,
Yes, everybody dies.
Everybody.

But why should people have to die young instead of old?

I know I will die one day. I would prefer it to be in 60 years rather than tomorrow, and if there's anything I can do about that (like NOT smoking, and NOT hanging around smokers), then I'm going to do (or not do) it.

If your life is so meaningless that you're content on people killing each other, then I feel sorry for you. That doesn't mean that it's okay for people to kill others simply because they're inconsiderate or lack willpower.
 
2005-06-27 02:10:43 AM
ShadowFairy,
You're listing 2 exceptions to the rule. They are EXCEPTIONS.
We are quoting the rule. If you are an exception, then good for you. The rule is that smokers die young. Smokers become impotent. Smokers age more quickly...

Good luck. I don't want to play the odds. It's worse than Vegas.
 
2005-06-27 02:13:52 AM
Brratt,

Why at 60?

What will you have done then, that you can't do now?

Why aren't you at peace with yourself, and accepting death as a part of life.

Putting it off til you're 60 does nothing, when you are 60, you will want to live til you're 90 and so on.

I could die tomorrow and be fine with it.

Not because of despair or sadness, but because I am comfortable with who I am now. I am fulfilled.

But today people see death as something they should avoid, instead of embrace as the last chapter in their hopefully meaningful lives.
 
2005-06-27 02:14:32 AM
I have seen people in (Catholic) Cathedrals and Churches pass out from incence being burned near them. Yes Incence doesn't have the added harmful chemicals that cigarettes do, but every kind of smoke is harmful to our lungs. That still doesn't give you the right to judge me, or my actions. Like I said before, why the fark to you care about me? My actions have absolutely no effect on you.
 
2005-06-27 02:17:09 AM
Brratt
I am happy for you that you chose not to smoke. I'm not being sarcastic there. I just wish that people would accept that I do choose to smoke, and I will try my darndest to not blow my smoke in your general direction.

BTW I only smoke outside.
 
2005-06-27 02:17:56 AM
JDrabble,
I have places I have yet to see
Things I still want to do
People and experiences I haven't yet experienced
and I am not yet ready to say goodbye to my loved ones (or to put them through that pain)

Good for you that you are ready for death. The vast majority of people aren't where you are in life.

I don't want to rush it, personally.
 
2005-06-27 02:21:51 AM
ShadowFairy,
IF your actions don't affect me, then I have little argument with you. If all smokers would have the same respect that you do, then I would have little argument at all. Unfortunately, that's not the case.

Thanks for your considerateness (is that a word?)
 
2005-06-27 02:22:50 AM
The day that bars and restaurants in Nova Scotia went completely smoke-free was a great one. Now, smoking is only allowed in specially constructed and ventilated rooms - you see smokers sitting alone in a little glassed-in section in the corner. If they're lucky, there's a few video lottery stations in there. A lot of places don't even have those; you have to go outside to smoke. Within the next few years, even the smoking rooms will be made illegal.

The bar owners all claimed that they'd be losing scads of money because people wouldn't go out if they couldn't smoke. Complete crap. People go out to drink and socialize even if they can't smoke, they just go outside or into the smoking cubicles when they feel the need to inhale some fumes. It works well for everybody. I don't have to suck back second-hand smoke, smokers can still go outside and stand in a snowbank if the urge hits.
 
CE3
2005-06-27 02:31:54 AM
I don't smoke, just can't stomach it.

However I do carry around asbestos, another silent killer, as I relish the lack of guilt shown by smokers who go around f'ing up other individuals' lives.

/I kid. Sort of.
 
2005-06-27 02:42:52 AM
Looks like this thread is dead.

I get the last word...cool.

Umm....the last word will be agitprop
 
2005-06-27 02:44:05 AM
Freedom is freedom.
Well said, feepness.
 
2005-06-27 02:56:52 AM


have another one!
 
2005-06-27 03:08:45 AM
Smoke stinks.
 
2005-06-27 03:24:52 AM
TakeC:

In Virginia (which also has a very low cigarette tax) there is a law in the works, or has already been passed, that restricts the a person to buying only 40 cartons of cigarettes at a time. Why any state would want to inhibit someone from contributing easy tax money is beyond me.

Well, if they pass a law like that, it can easily be enough to make some lobby or another shut the hell up about whatever 'righteous' crusade they're on against tobacco, which no one else really cares about. Meanwhile, 40 cartons is a shiatload. Not too hard to fill a car when you stop at one place and get 40, then drive to the next place, get 40 more, etc.
 
2005-06-27 04:59:36 AM
this asshat's bold text is really annoying.

/smoke away
 
2005-06-27 05:09:17 AM
Here is something that is more addictive than Cigarettes:


And it produces no harmful affects to other people. Just plain ole nicotine up the ole nostrils. It is, however, rather expensive. At one point I was spending upwards of $360 a MONTH on it. I actually started smoking again to get off of it. It is back on my prescription plan, so I'm good to go.
 
2005-06-27 05:59:39 AM
US smokers: Go East! I suggest Indonesia, the Philippines or China.

I pay the equivalent of less than 50 cents for a pack of 20 HOPE and no-one gives a damn where I smoke.



Admittedly they're menthol, but hey, when they're less than a twentieth of the price than in most US states, who cares? Or if you're feeling rich, buy a pack of Marlboro for nearly $2.

You may feel a slight twinge of culture shock the first time you send a 10 year-old kid to the local store to buy you a couple of beers and a few cigs (yeah, you can buy them singly!) but don't worry, you'll get over it.
 
2005-06-27 06:47:37 AM
Smoke all you want. But don't complain when I let a total motherfarker of a fart right on you. Same difference.
 
2005-06-27 06:55:07 AM
The main problem I have with smoking is the chemicals that companies add to make it extra addictive. It's quite easy to make a lower nicotine and additive-free cigarette, that's exactly what they made up until the 50s. Tobacco companies biatch and moan about the government taxing and trying to regulate them, but they've shown themselves to be greedy heartless bastards who deserve everything they get. If "light" cigarettes really were lighter than regulars and tobacco companies didn't do everything in their power to keep their customers hooked, I'd have more sympathy. As it is, I say fark em in the eyehole...
 
2005-06-27 06:55:34 AM
HOPE Cigarettes? Someone finally nailed the impulse behind the activity. Remarkable. Try getting your hope elsewhere, or all of it will be lost.
 
2005-06-27 07:46:40 AM
radarlove:

The other day I was sitting on the picnic table in front of my apartment smoking. A bicyclist (you know the kind...lycra shorts and all) rode up, stopped in front of me, got off his bike, pulled his water bottle out and doused my cigarette.


He's lucky all you did was burn his seat. If someone had the balls to do that to me they would bleed for it. Definitely from the nose, possibly from the ears too. People like that need whuppin. They need it bad. Next time the ass rides by, toss a stick in his spokes. Front spokes. Then stomp him a little and then pee on him. Tell hell "You'll thank me later"

Oh, and my smokes just went up to $3.50 a pack and I'm rather pissed about it. If they didn't have the tax increase here, why am I paying $.20 more than I was 2 weeks ago? Greedy shopkeepers?
 
2005-06-27 08:24:36 AM
Leave my beer alone.
 
2005-06-27 08:42:19 AM
To quote the late great Bill Hicks,

"I'd quit smoking if I wasn't afraid I'd turn into one of you arseholes."
 
2005-06-27 08:59:55 AM
Either ban cigarette smoking totally or stop taxing people for it. Yea I'm an ex smoker. The patches work great, the gum sucks; and they are both way too expensive. If our government really cared enough about us instead of the revenue they would ban cigs completely and make treatment free.

In the meantime if somebody wants to smoke then let them smoke. Just pass a law that you cannot smoke in your car with minors as passengers. (How many times have I dropped my daughter off at daycare and see parents pull up. crush their Winston on the pavement, and get Jr out of the carseat, if you are reading this thread then you are an asshat). The same thing goes with smoking in a house with minors, etc.
Feel free to give smokers their own section at restaurants too. Just dont have the table beside a smoking table be non-smoking.
Just make sure as a nonsmoker my family and I do not have to put up with your second hand smoke. In return I will not douse my body in smelly cologne, or fart in public.
 
2005-06-27 09:24:02 AM
cdbeers66 wins. You're all a bunch of assfarks.
 
2005-06-27 09:37:28 AM
For the last two years, it has been my policy to spit on any smoker who intentionally blows their smoke at me. (out the side of their mouth in my direction when the other direction is clear)

If they have the right to smoke and to blow it in my face, I certainly have the right to spit, and it's goin back at those biatches!
 
2005-06-27 09:57:12 AM
Smoking is bad for you, yes, although it may or may not reduce your lifespan (depends on genetics and other factors). The stupid thing is the excuse that raising taxes on cigarettes actually causes fewer smokers. It doesn't (or at least, very little). It's just a way of getting more money off of addicts for the government that they will use on completely unrelated things. Mostly it's a huge tax increase on the poor, as the tax amount on a smoker is a larger part of a poor person's income than a higher income person's. Same deal with the lawsuits against tobacco. The money doesn't go to health costs, it's just a way to grab cash.

The only way to actually reduce the amount of smokers is to make tobacco illegal to buy or sell (not illegal to use or grow or possess, just buy or sell). If they took the profit out of the industry, that would cause fewer smokers, and it wouldn't create a black market, as anyone that really wanted it could grow it legally, or communally. You just couldn't go to a convenience store and pick up a pack on a whim. You'd have to hand roll your cigarettes most likely too, which would make smoking more effort. All the rest of the ideas are just money scams.
 
2005-06-27 09:58:54 AM
nap2swFL - Genius! And whenever someone's car exhaust blows by me as I walk down the street, I kick their side-view mirror off! That, or key their car.

Be careful drivers, don't piss this pedestrian off with your deathly car-fumes!


/anti-smokers are faygs.
 
2005-06-27 10:06:04 AM
This thread makes me want a cigarette.
 
2005-06-27 10:20:00 AM
I like these taxes, considering I'm pretty much unable to be friends with somebody who smokes. They make me sick. Not in the self-righteous ass kind of way, but the smell literally brings me on the verge of vomiting.

Once, my girlfriend let her roommate borrow a shirt to go out to a club. Two weeks and a washing later, she wore it, and I had to make her change it. You might think you don't smell, but hey, people who smell never do.
 
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