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2005-06-25 12:35:33 AM
They said the rest of the interview will be monday on the today show, NBC, cause they didn't show the rest, they showed 2 parts of the interview within the 3 hour period. War of the World's comes out Wednesday.
 
2005-06-25 12:36:58 AM
CashForChaos:

It's really, really petty on the part of Microsoft and MSNBC to not allow people to watch this video in browsers other than Microsoft's own Internet Explorer. Talk about a monolopy.

I agree. It's extremely petty and unprofessional. Not to mention childish. And it's not going to stop anyone from leaving the IE camp, if not moreso because they're being forced on a decision that by all accounts they should not have to make.
 
2005-06-25 12:37:53 AM
Dragynwing

now that was funny.
 
2005-06-25 12:38:16 AM
Quick poll:

Would you rather follow the spiritual advice from


this guy...

OR...

this guy?

/No contest
 
2005-06-25 12:44:08 AM
pshaw

A glib? A glib? I dunno what that means, but...

In ordinary English it means (Websters 3d New Intl)
2(b)(1) "marked by little or no forethought or preparation" and also 3(a) "characterized by a propensity for, ability to use, or production of a smooth ready flow of words".

Combine these to get the basic sense in which most Scientologists will use the word "glib". There is a special gloss on that they have which implies a reason for such a manner of speech, but it gets complicated and a long winded detailing of it wouldn't improve much on the plain English meaning.

A good example of "glib" comes from the movie "Clueless"

Cher: (about Ren & Stempy) "They're way existential"
Josh: Do you even know what that means?
Cher: No. But do I sound like I do? (she asks hopefully)
 
2005-06-25 12:44:27 AM
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the scientologists lawyers" - Henry VI (Part 2) (Act IV, Scene II).
 
2005-06-25 12:45:08 AM
Unfortunitly the day Microcrap will burn in hell before I will load anything from them on my system.....
 
2005-06-25 12:45:35 AM
I thought the interview was fine. People on TV were saying he went insane and all this crap. This just shows him being passionate about his own views, unlike the vapid worthless commentary that makes up the rest of the entertainment industry including the Today Show. I'm not suprised the people who think he went insane are also the same people who live through entertainment gossip and live without every expressing how they really feel. I say good for you Mr. Cruise, I don't agree with each of your points, but I like that you are communicating instead of the regular old hash you see on TV. Nice to see something more candid on TV.

The drug company sponsors will not be happy with him.
 
2005-06-25 12:46:04 AM
songoku


The only think I'd like to see Bill O'Reilly do is die a painful and prolonged death on-camera. Preferably in a way that's also very ridiculous.

That would be sweet. He's the kind of guy I would like to punch. Preferably in a crowded room so he would get all paranoid and be looking around. I could hide and then duck out and hit him again. He would start to get bloody and just when he thought everything was cool I would cock punch the farker. That would be sweet.
 
2005-06-25 12:46:20 AM
Saw the interview earlier today.

Yeah, Tom Cruise lost his cool...

Yeah, his whole "but you don't understaaaaaaaand" schtick came off as whiny and self important...

Yeah, Scientology does promote cultish behavior...

But it's pretty obvious from the interview that Lauer wanted to go for the jugular. ML didn't want TC to elaborate or clarify his opinions on the air, he wanted to change his mind and or make Cruise look like a fool. Lauer was trying to embarrass Cruise about on the topic of his religious beliefs. Cruise lives the life of pampered solipsism that is Hollywood Celebrity, so the idea that someone from the mainstream media might actually scrutinize his personal beliefs must have thrown him for a loop.

I have to say, I kinda agree with the Scientologist here though. I think our society does over-prescribe psychotropic drugs. I do think the tendency to view happiness in chemical terms is dangerous.

/Has never read Dianetics
 
2005-06-25 12:46:40 AM
pshaw


my vote is

 
2005-06-25 12:47:28 AM
Quick poll:

Would you rather follow the spiritual advice from


this guy...

OR...

this guy?

/No contest


no contest is right... i'd go with Cruise before listening to that guy who said God was going to put him to death if people didn't contribute more money to his church.

/religion... it's all about the money.
 
2005-06-25 12:48:31 AM
Uh, yeah pshaw. I'm gonna have to go ahead and uh. . disagree.


Both are whacko's.
 
2005-06-25 12:49:10 AM
$cientologists don't want the mentally ill to use the psychiatric medicines they need because they are easier for the cult to exploit when they aren't taking them.
 
2005-06-25 12:49:19 AM
To the guy who said scientology is a real religion; What the fark are you smoking?

I am Atheist and I pretty much consider religion to be general crap, but there is a difference between popular religions of today and scientology.

Christianity has been around for MANY years. Scientology came about within the past 100 years when a science-fiction author needed a tax break.
 
2005-06-25 12:50:10 AM
 
2005-06-25 12:50:30 AM
*pulls pin*

Scientology is less of a religion than Islam.
 
2005-06-25 12:50:46 AM
Quick poll:

Would you rather follow the spiritual advice from


this guy...

OR...

this guy?

/No contest

no contest is right... i'd go with Cruise before listening to that guy who said God was going to put him to death if people didn't contribute more money to his church.

/religion... it's all about the money.


my bad... it was Oral Roberts who claimed if he did not raise $8 million dollars by March of 1987, God would "Call me home."

/getting my fundies messed up...
 
2005-06-25 12:51:17 AM
pshaw

Quick poll:

Would you rather follow the spiritual advice from

this guy...[Billy Graham]

OR...

this guy? [Tom Cruise]


No contest. Only one of them allows me to bang a sexy thing outsida marriage and applauds if that results in a conversion.
 
2005-06-25 12:52:18 AM
ratticus.finch

"real religion" is kind of an oxymoron anyway

I wouldn't get too worked up about using the term in reference to scientology.
 
2005-06-25 12:52:31 AM
could it be he needs help with his love/hate for women from somewhat sheltered upbringings...? Mimi,Brooke, Nicole, Katie, Heellooo?
 
2005-06-25 12:53:28 AM
Yeah you are right, MisterMan

My bad.

Hehe.
 
2005-06-25 12:54:35 AM
 
2005-06-25 12:56:30 AM
PlasticMoby: Both are whacko's.

For shame. I'll forgive you.
 
2005-06-25 12:57:19 AM
Songuku:The only think I'd like to see Bill O'Reilly do is die a painful and prolonged death on-camera.


Why? Because O'Reilly is a smug know-it-all who is intolerant of differing opinions to the point of wishing them death?

 
2005-06-25 12:57:42 AM
I kept waiting and waiting but he never did actually say what ritalin was.

I think what he's hinting at is that it's monkey poop. I mean, the signs are all there somewhere, especially if you use your imagination a little. Just like Scientology... it makes perfect sense if you use your imagination a little. Or a lot, maybe.

That said, he does have a point in an indirect kind of way. People do rely on drugs and medication too much to fix anything and everything, when so many of the same people could be popping placebos and doing just great.
 
2005-06-25 12:57:58 AM
Interesting, but I don't think Burroughs was ever actually a Scientologist. I have read several things he wrote about it.. all of which have been mixed with skepticism. I think he was mainly interested in the use of the emeter and the implications he thought it could have in the impending techno-psychic war that he envisioned.
 
2005-06-25 12:59:20 AM
yeah, I guess he's just living his life.
 
2005-06-25 12:59:54 AM
I'm about as likely to take medical or religous advice from an actor as I am political advice.

STFU and GBTW Tom.
 
2005-06-25 01:04:15 AM
corywest04: What he does as a religious practice is his own personal business.

Anti-psychotics saved my life. The bullshiat this asshole preaches is harmful when it keeps someone away from the life saving treatment they need. WTF is his alternative, flintstone chewables? And as if there isn't enough of a stigma around depression as it is.
 
2005-06-25 01:04:27 AM
simon_magus:

But it's pretty obvious from the interview that Lauer wanted to go for the jugular.

That's a little like saying a day-old kitten was going for the jugular. If he makes this much of an ass of himself talking to people like Lauer and Oprah, wait until his handlers really screw up and put him in front of somebody who'll ask tough questions and won't back off.
 
2005-06-25 01:05:18 AM
Charles Manson is a Scientologist? Simply amazing...
 
2005-06-25 01:08:08 AM
What excatly do scientologist believe in?
 
2005-06-25 01:08:58 AM
Yeah, antidepressants saved my life too.

2 years of Anorexia Nervosa and the only thing that helped was a prescription to a horrible, dreaded, ANTIDEPRESSANT!!
 
2005-06-25 01:09:05 AM
While I am close to believing he is in fact batshiat crazy, I'd like Senator Frist's analysis of the video before making any rash judgments...
 
2005-06-25 01:11:22 AM
MisterMan

Interesting, but I don't think Burroughs was ever actually a Scientologist. I have read several things he wrote about it.. all of which have been mixed with skepticism.

He was, then we wasn't, a common career through Scientology.

A common misunderstanding about Scientologists is that they accept most of Scientology writings by Hubbard. That's merely the party line put out by the top dogs of the church which is then made to seem uncontradicted by the sword and sheild of the party.

Skepticism, usually only carefully expressed, is by far the more common trait of even very active members in it. Unfortunately a lot of know-it-all critics of the church hurl loose talk about brainwashing, mind control, uncritical belief, etc. ad naseum, about Scientologists that outsiders seem to think Scientologists are a pack of people who uncritically accept Hubbard's writings. An accurate understanding of them has to account for why they remain active members despite considerable, VERY considerable, skepticism throughout their membership.

Scientologists, whether their critics are willing to believe it or not, remain fully fledged humans throughout their membership in its church. The reality is vastly more complex than the sloganeering of their detractors wishes to admit.
 
2005-06-25 01:11:34 AM
songoku:

The only think I'd like to see Bill O'Reilly do is die a painful and prolonged death on-camera. Preferably in a way that's also very ridiculous. Extended choking on a falafel, for example, would be a treat.

How about having his head painted black and white checkered and being buried up to his neck in a soccer field?
 
2005-06-25 01:13:35 AM
it's kind of ironic.

Psychiatrist have one of the highest rates of mental illness. And just open any one of the psychology texts in college. It's all incredibly whacked out observation that assumes things according to present day cultural precepts.

Tom Cruise is remarkably sane compared with many of these "mental health professionals"
 
2005-06-25 01:14:59 AM
isn't it possible that he's just living his life? i mean, i'm not sure if he mentioned that possibility or not.
 
2005-06-25 01:15:30 AM
I'm not a big Tom Cruise fan and have no interest in his "religion"

If you bother to actually watch the interview, you will see it's not nearly as confrontational as others would have you believe.

I have to agree with Tom on his view that anti-depressant drugs only mask the real problems, NOT solve them.

He only got argumentative with Matt because Matt was too stupid to understand his point.
 
2005-06-25 01:18:20 AM
cthu1hu:

How about having his head painted black and white checkered and being buried up to his neck in a soccer field?

Is Pele dead?
 
2005-06-25 01:19:59 AM
Gather Round Folks. I have it Figured Out:

Of all the topics Tom Cruise could discuss on the face of this earth, he chose Psychiatry. He was prescribed Ritalin as a kid and it farked him up. He acts manic on television and he has had multiple marriages. In the last 5 years the medical community has discovered that a lot of children diagnosed as having ADD as Cruise was were actually early onset bipolar disorder.

Giving Ritalin to a bipolar person worsens their condition and can send them into a mania. It is not a pleasant experience and tends to make people hate medication.

Throw in the fact that bipolars hate to be labeled and hate to admit that they have a problem.

Symptoms of mania:

1. Pressured Speech, (the need to incessantly talk, can't be interrupted, can't catch your breath)

2. Grandiose plans (Katie Holmes anyone?)

3. Irritability, refuses to take no for an answer (this interview)

4. Lack of need for sleep, excessive goal directed behavior and gratifying behavior like risky sex or financial decisions (Katie Holmes)

Conclusion: Tom Cruise suffers from bipolar disorder and what you are seeing is the manic phase of the illness. You aren't seeing the depressive phase because he doesn't do publicity while depressed. The bizzare behavior and defensiveness is him trying to master his own fears with regards to his illness. If he can convince the world that this illness doesn't exist, than in turn he will have convinced himself that his own disorder is not real.

He needs to be on mood stabilizers. One word. LITHIUM.
 
2005-06-25 01:20:00 AM
I wanted to watch him go nuts but it wasn't worth the ass pounding I had to endure to get to the crazy. I'd rather listen to fat geek girls talk shop.
 
2005-06-25 01:20:33 AM
/takes a Prozac.

Yeah, antidepressants are ba...look a kitten!
 
2005-06-25 01:20:53 AM
Cruise has no soul. He's all externality. It's why he has to be so 'passionate'.

He's just another dork with a head full of horseshiat, except that just happens to be incredibly handsome and was born with money.

And it's the only reason anyone cares.
 
2005-06-25 01:21:55 AM
Edsel: Wow. If only our news media would go after politicians with such ferocity.

Amen, brother.
 
2005-06-25 01:22:48 AM
well i suppose that since i work on a MAC and can't see the video there are two things that i'm not missing:
1. stupid video of a pompous ass
2. Computer Virus
"Fark" Microsoft and their little doggy too.
"trailer park boys rule!"
 
2005-06-25 01:24:22 AM
TurdBurglar:

I have to agree with Tom on his view that anti-depressant drugs only mask the real problems, NOT solve them.

And neither of you know what the hell you're talking about.
 
2005-06-25 01:25:44 AM
Tom Cruise is a Scientologist. Cults like Scientology are usually right about many things, but dead wrong about a few very important things. At first, cult followers are sucked in by what they think is right about the cult's beliefs, then they ultimately become prone to huge lapses of reason. It's quite sad, really.

Tom Cruise is weak-minded. So is John Travolta and all the other Celebrity Scientologists.

Any religion or belief system that claims the earth's volcanoes are inhabited by evil spirits placed there by aliens is a bullshiat religion. If Tom Cruise believes that shiat then no one should listen to a damn word he says!

Scientology on Wikipedia
 
2005-06-25 01:28:14 AM
I agree, cthulhu. The fact is that some forms of depression are chemical. Just the most recent example that comes to mind: going "cold turkey" off of hormone use. Chemical in nature. Will taking paxil during this period damage your noggin? No.

I read that entire transcript, and it really just makes me want to reach across the table and slap Tom Cruise across his tiny little noggin.
 
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