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(CNN)   Bush scheduled to visit Vietnam sometime next year. Trip in doubt, though, as his obligations with the Texas Air National Guard may conflict   (cnn.com) divider line 856
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2005-06-22 08:23:51 AM  
ha! Nice headline...
 
2005-06-22 08:44:21 AM  
Anybody gonna credit Clinton for normalizing relations with Vietnam?
 
2005-06-22 08:45:33 AM  
Submitter rocks.
 
2005-06-22 08:45:56 AM  
For some reason, that scene from Gladiator comes to mind...


"I'm here...I hope I haven't missed the battle..."
 
2005-06-22 08:50:26 AM  
Between this and the "activist legislator" headline that was just greenlit, I think there's gonna be quite a few of those "omfg fark is so liberal it's sick I'm gonna puke" idiots coming out of the woodwork today.
 
2005-06-22 09:00:12 AM  
Well, better late than never, I guess.
 
2005-06-22 09:07:33 AM  
Ouch! That's gotta sting!

Good headline, submitter.
 
2005-06-22 09:11:53 AM  
Very nice headline.
 
2005-06-22 09:12:19 AM  
kudos submitter
 
2005-06-22 09:12:28 AM  
[from the article]: Bush said the men "signed a landmark agreement that will make it easier for people to worship freely in Vietnam."

So that's where those religious freedoms went!
 
2005-06-22 09:14:16 AM  
scraping-fetus-off-the-wheel
Anybody gonna credit Clinton for normalizing relations with Vietnam?

"Normalizing" typically involves old guys in suits rather than underaged girls in lingerie, though "Me love you long time" is probably a good first step in improving relations.
 
2005-06-22 09:17:29 AM  
omfg fark is so liberal it's sick I'm gonna puke.
 
2005-06-22 09:44:09 AM  
I wonder if daddy signed a permission slip for him for this trip?
 
2005-06-22 09:48:52 AM  
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2005-06-22 09:58:01 AM  
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/had to be done
//Yeah I know "Don't be that guy", but someone was bound to so why not me.
 
2005-06-22 09:58:12 AM  
Ah, sour grapes. The breakfast of so many today.
 
2005-06-22 10:03:54 AM  
Best.Headline.Ever.
 
2005-06-22 10:04:05 AM  
Dang libbies, you'll get yours.
 
2005-06-22 10:04:49 AM  
the vietnamese people will respect bush for being such a pussy he couldn't go and fight in vietnam, instead using poppy's connections so some minority could go in his place.
 
2005-06-22 10:04:54 AM  
all i gotta say is...

BURNNNNNNN!
 
2005-06-22 10:05:01 AM  
classic headline.

/voted for Bush
 
2005-06-22 10:05:16 AM  
Keep beating those dead horses.

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2005-06-22 10:05:32 AM  
logistic: Submitter rocks.

I second.
 
2005-06-22 10:06:34 AM  
Oooh, zing!
 
2005-06-22 10:07:21 AM  
I third that notion Beemer. Therefore it shall be known that submitter rocks.
 
2005-06-22 10:07:51 AM  
come on snipers, where are you?
 
2005-06-22 10:07:52 AM  
Gee, the President meets with the Vietnamese Prime Minister even as more and more Americans are comparing Iraq to Vietnam... almost as if this "see, Vietnam is a happy and peaceful place!" photo-op could somehow defuse the ugly comparisons... coincidence?

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2005-06-22 10:07:58 AM  
C'mon, even if you like Bush you've gotta admit that's a quality Farkistanian headline.
 
2005-06-22 10:08:10 AM  
I will titter about the headline all day.
 
2005-06-22 10:08:35 AM  
Hey-O!
 
2005-06-22 10:09:05 AM  
*golfclap* well played submitter, now cooperate with the nice men in shades that are about to knock on your door.
 
2005-06-22 10:09:12 AM  
Submitter-Comdedy Gold!

/redundant, but had to be said...
 
2005-06-22 10:09:28 AM  
Snap!
 
2005-06-22 10:09:32 AM  
Trying to see how it was done the first time? Maybe pick up some pointers?
 
2005-06-22 10:09:48 AM  
teehee! teehee! teehee!
 
2005-06-22 10:10:22 AM  
2005-06-22 10:05:16 AM Hang On Voltaire

Keep beating those dead horses.

So you whine when the "left" does it, but you defend when the "right" does it?

/Terry Schiavo

*eyes rolling*
 
2005-06-22 10:11:11 AM  
It's not easy to express through text, but when I saw this headline, I quite literally laughed out loud.
 
2005-06-22 10:11:15 AM  
Let me just jump on the bandwagon...

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2005-06-22 10:11:16 AM  
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Ba-zing!
 
2005-06-22 10:11:26 AM  
Bush said the men "signed a landmark agreement that will make it easier for people to worship freely in Vietnam

"As long as it ain't Buddha, Moo-Hammud of that Elephant God you guys got...."


/well, maybe the Elephant
 
2005-06-22 10:11:49 AM  
Why does the submitter hate America?
 
2005-06-22 10:12:41 AM  
Bush going to Vietnam?

Better late than never I guess....
 
2005-06-22 10:12:44 AM  
I dream of the day we have a president that,
1. I actually voted for.
2. I don't end up laughing at or screaming at the TV during one of his/her speeches.
3. Can pronounce words.
4. Doesn't have that "deer in the headlights look" when asked a direct question.
5. Does'nt sneer down his/her nose at the public.
6. Thinks a balanced budget is important.
7. Gives a shiat about the economy.
8. Doesn't coddle the religious right by endorsing discriminatory amandments in the Consitution.
9. Isn't a liar.
10. Leaves the media alone.
 
2005-06-22 10:12:46 AM  
"even if you like Bush..."

If you like Bush then you haven't been paying attention.
 
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2005-06-22 10:13:35 AM  
well played submitter-


And before anyone gets their panties in a wad - kindly remember we all came here for The Funny.
 
2005-06-22 10:13:55 AM  
fark needs spell check for lousy spellers like me.
 
2005-06-22 10:14:13 AM  
Bush will back out.

But he'll send Martin "I played a President on TV" Sheen upriver to take care of this little problem. Dennis Hopper will take pictures. Christopher Walken will kill himself. Charlie Sheen will love a prostitue long time. Steers and Queers in Texas will udder and shudder. Jane Fonda will straddle a tank and then think about Coming Home. Tom Cruise will lose all three legs on July 4th but let a hot Mexican sit on his face. Unfortunately, it will be Cheech Marin.
 
2005-06-22 10:14:46 AM  
Fantastic headline, submitter.

Bravo!
 
2005-06-22 10:14:59 AM  
Ooooooooooh disk!

/rehnt rehnt rehnt
 
2005-06-22 10:15:20 AM  
hack4good

[from the article]: Bush said the men "signed a landmark agreement that will make it easier for people to worship freely in Vietnam."

So that's where those religious freedoms went!


So true... and while we're at it, where can I pick up some of that "Faith Based Initiatives" cashola?

Perhaps if I start a Ann Coulter uber-xtian mini-church, with lots of cable access! I can throw out crazy accusations, use attack dog tactics on any who oppose me, and retire to Aspen!

/Be more fun to start a Church of the Butt-"You can sit in your own pew!"
 
2005-06-22 10:15:34 AM  
of=or.

/autopwned.
 
2005-06-22 10:15:54 AM  
There were a bunch of Vietnamese people in front of my building yesterday. They were protesting against the Vietnamese Prime Minister, who was staying at the hotel across the street.

Also, my dentist is a young, smoking hot Vietnamese woman.
 
2005-06-22 10:16:32 AM  
A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence
Ah, sour grapes. The breakfast of so many today.

Hang On Voltaire
Keep beating those dead horses.

Yet another strange behavior pattern of the Common Neocon (republicanus nincompoopus) is his insistence that politics is actually a sporting event. Instead of recognizing that 51% of the 50% of the people who voted, voted for Bush, means that the country is deeply divided, and requires a uniter (not a divider), the Common Neocon exaults in his vicarious triumph. "In your face!", he shouts, as though his team just won the Superbowl. "Bush won the election! Game over! Losers quit whining!" The fact that the country still needs to function and overcome many obstacles seems to have escaped the Common Neocon. The appeal of schaudenfreude and the insecurity that comes with an inconsistent and self-serving ideology trump any civic ideals. Human dignity and mutual respect fall victim to schoolyard competitiveness and childish spite.

Sadly, this species is flourishing throughout the United States, particularly the South, where an environment of warm, damp, dark places provides fertile ground for the growth of this chattering pest.

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2005-06-22 10:16:46 AM  
What ever happened to that show on Comedy Central, "That's my Bush"? Did the secret service kill the cast or something?
 
2005-06-22 10:16:59 AM  
Cool!
40 years from now, some formerly coked-up frat boy can go to Iraq and normalize relations with them. The circle will be complete.

/Hakuna Matata my ass
 
2005-06-22 10:17:04 AM  
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I'll vouch for THAT headline! And check it for accuracy tomorrow.
 
2005-06-22 10:17:08 AM  
*starts slow-clap for headline*

It is one of those better-later-than-never things, isn't it?
 
2005-06-22 10:17:20 AM  
Why is it that normalization with states much worse than Cuba OK, but any loosing of the embargo with Cuba is verboten?
 
2005-06-22 10:18:07 AM  
*golf clap*
touch submitter, touch.
 
2005-06-22 10:18:18 AM  
loosing -> loosening

/not enough coffee in Colombia for me today
 
2005-06-22 10:18:27 AM  
He should take John Kerry with him.

That way Kerry could get another purple heart for the jet lag.
 
2005-06-22 10:18:38 AM  
Unfair! His dental records clearly indicate that he served in Texas Natl. Guard with honor.
 
2005-06-22 10:18:40 AM  
Yet another strange behavior pattern of the Common Neocon (republicanus nincompoopus)...

Please chew those grapes before you swallow. You might choke.
 
2005-06-22 10:18:46 AM  
suebhoney

"So you whine when the "left" does it, but you defend when the "right" does it?
/Terry Schiavo
*eyes rolling*

Whine? Are you kidding me? I hope the left keeps it up. Because we all know how well criticism of Bush's national guard record worked in 2000 & 2004 (internet sarcasm). I just hope the democrats keep telling Americans hope stupid they are for voting for Bush. As for Schiavo I thought the Republicans were wrong on the issue to begin with.
 
2005-06-22 10:18:46 AM  
"Ha ha ha, he's the President. Ha ha ha!"

Maybe he'll talk about the centuries of peace between our nations again.
 
2005-06-22 10:18:59 AM  
STARSHIP POOPER

Loved that show!
 
2005-06-22 10:19:41 AM  
Diogenes:

Why is it that normalization with states much worse than Cuba OK, but any loosing of the embargo with Cuba is verboten?

Because Florida is a toss-up state.
 
2005-06-22 10:19:50 AM  
Whoa, Bush is still president? You'd never know it with all those loud quacking noises coming from inside the white house...
 
2005-06-22 10:20:44 AM  
""even if you like Bush..."

If you like Bush then you haven't been paying attention."

Depends on your mindset when reading the initial statement there.
 
2005-06-22 10:20:44 AM  
Worst. President. Evar.
 
2005-06-22 10:21:18 AM  
"Many demonstrators held up signs demanding greater religious freedom in the communist country."

Yeah, fly to Viet Nam and try that ya tree hugging ingrates!

I guess you lefties still get a chuckle out of the Air National Guard thing. The submitter's headline didn't get a rise out of me. It seemed poorly timed and irrelevant. I must be feeling what you guys feel when I hear about "Christmas in Cambodia."
 
2005-06-22 10:21:19 AM  
Diogenes:

Why is it that normalization with states much worse than Cuba OK, but any loosing of the embargo with Cuba is verboten?

Because there isn't a gigantic voting bloc of Vietnamese people in this country?
 
2005-06-22 10:21:32 AM  
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I love the smell of flame wars in the morning
 
2005-06-22 10:21:57 AM  
Thatsmybush

I loved the ep with the bear, that was so freaking funny..... I wonder if you can get the show on DVD or has the government confisicated them =(
 
2005-06-22 10:22:08 AM  
hey, i like bush, i just think he's a bane on this country that must be stamped out, i'd like to party with him though
 
2005-06-22 10:22:52 AM  
gee. i hope daddy can get me out of this trip too....

now watch this drive.
 
2005-06-22 10:23:14 AM  
Best...headline...evar!
 
2005-06-22 10:23:16 AM  
Zing!

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for you submitter
 
2005-06-22 10:23:20 AM  
Day late, dollar short ~ Nice headline.
 
2005-06-22 10:23:35 AM  
Clavis

The appeal of schaudenfreude and the insecurity that comes with an inconsistent and self-serving ideology trump any civic ideals.


Well said.
 
2005-06-22 10:23:57 AM  
MisterE: "Because Florida is a toss-up state."

Placing political expediency over national interest?! Say it ain't so!

;-)
 
2005-06-22 10:24:01 AM  
MisterE
He should take John Kerry with him.
That way Kerry could get another purple heart for the jet lag.


Ha, ha. That never gets old. If only John Kerry was a real man -- he would have enrolled in the National Guard! Yeah! Macho, macho man!

Just imagine, George W. Bush, John Kerry *and* Val Kilmer, all oiling each other's butts before they fly another mission! HIGHWAY TO THE DANGER ZONE!

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What a travesty of political rhetoric. For the last 6-7 years, Bush's spin machine has taken aim at legitimate veterans, and made it funny to crap on their war records, while casting a puppet chickenhawk whose daddy got him out of going to war, or even serving out his National Guard duty, as a "strong leader".
 
2005-06-22 10:24:43 AM  
I love bush, but our president is a dinkwad!
 
2005-06-22 10:24:54 AM  
snork snork, I just got a whiff a Flamewar picking up a pretty good head of steam.

Red state, blue state, blah blah blah, zing.
Blah blah blah zingya back, blah blah blah, "you're an asshat' blah blah blah.
All the usual players in attendance (including myself)
Since we know it's going to happen, I challenge everyone to at least come up with some new farking material.
Let us begin..
 
2005-06-22 10:24:55 AM  
Nice Headline...
Bush-Bot's must try and un-wad panties Now.
 
2005-06-22 10:25:17 AM  
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Blindly, George W. Bush's neoconservative supporters are unwilling to see the Iraq invasion as anything other than a rousing success. Furthermore, it is neither anti-American nor unpatriotic to demand honesty, credibility and fiscal reponsibility from our governing bodies.

Attention Bush supporters: Exit the gene pool immediately. Do not pass on your ignorance to your offspring.
 
2005-06-22 10:25:34 AM  
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2005-06-22 10:25:51 AM  
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2005-06-22 10:26:28 AM  
That headline was hilarious - yesterday, when everybody else said it.

/and even then, it was still sorta obvious
 
2005-06-22 10:26:32 AM  
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"You're an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks."
 
2005-06-22 10:26:33 AM  
Clavis: Human dignity and mutual respect fall victim to schoolyard competitiveness and childish spite.

Dude, I would have your babies if I had a uterus.
 
2005-06-22 10:26:56 AM  
Diogenes
Why is it that normalization with states much worse than Cuba OK, but any loosing of the embargo with Cuba is verboten?

Cuba has cigars, and we all know what happens when people get ahold of cigars. We wouldn't want the whole country to get impeached, would we?
 
2005-06-22 10:27:00 AM  
MisterE "He should take John Kerry with him. That way Kerry could get another purple heart for the jet lag."

Since Bush missed out on Vietnam the first time, maybe Kerry could help show him around, take a nostalgic side trip into Cambodia, like the Christmas of 1968 excursion of his that is Seared, SEARED into his memory.
 
2005-06-22 10:27:18 AM  
smeegle

I challenge everyone to at least come up with some new farking material.


Meh.... This thread is nothing but a Bush bash. Nothing wrong with that, but it's all been said before.

I just hope they impeach.
 
2005-06-22 10:27:21 AM  
That's My Bush only ran for 8 episodes in early 2001 and was cancelled because it cost Comedy Central a million bucks an episode. Didn't have anything to do with 9/11 or the evil, evil GOP.

And people need to learn what sour grapes means. The fox couldn't get up the wall to them, so he rationalized that they probably wouldn't have tasted very good anyway. No real connection here.
 
2005-06-22 10:27:48 AM  
Clavis:

"...Bush's spin machine has taken aim at legitimate veterans, and made it funny to crap on their war records, while casting a puppet chickenhawk whose daddy got him out of going to war, or even serving out his National Guard duty, as a "strong leader".

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The leftie delusionists are out early today!
 
2005-06-22 10:27:59 AM  
Good headline, submitter

MisterE: He should take John Kerry with him.

That way Kerry could get another purple heart for the jet lag.


Heheheheh this is funny too. Buncha pussies, all of 'em!

/McCain rules!
 
2005-06-22 10:28:30 AM  
A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence
Please chew those grapes before you swallow. You might choke.

"sour grapes - denial of the desirability of something after one has found out that it cannot be reached or acquired"

Not relevant. Rush has been feeding you the wrong talking points.

It's okay, though, "whining", "we won, get over it", and "beating a dead horse" all still work. Because it's all a contest, don't you know.
 
2005-06-22 10:28:34 AM  
skidmark

For a second there, I thought that was a pic of Tatooine.
 
2005-06-22 10:28:44 AM  
the_gospel_of_thomas

like the Christmas of 1968 excursion of his that is Seared, SEARED into his memory.


Is "seared" a real word?
 
2005-06-22 10:29:07 AM  
I wonder if President Bush will be going to Cambodia also, you know like John Kerry did?
 
2005-06-22 10:29:09 AM  
By next year, Bush and his junta will be on the run from American and International justice officials who finally figure it out. (Illegal warmongering, complicit in 9/11 massacre, massive theft of treasury, etc.)

Maybe Vietnam will give him safe haven and non-extradition.
 
2005-06-22 10:29:21 AM  
"The leftie delusionists are out early today!"

right, but kerry's purple heart was fake.
 
2005-06-22 10:29:21 AM  
bakatare: The leftie delusionists are out early today!

No kidding. It's a testament to human stupidity that they can believe even half of the crap they're spewing.
 
2005-06-22 10:29:30 AM  
ok smeegle - new material, new material... ok, bush came over to my house one time, and he kicked my dog!, can you believe it? he kicked my dog, and the god damn reds say he's a "great leader", what kind of great leader goes around kicking dogs?, i'll tell ya who, HITLER!
 
2005-06-22 10:29:32 AM  
2005-06-22 10:18:46 AM Hang On Voltaire

Read the latest link and see how the Republicans are fairing to help out Mr. Bush.
 
2005-06-22 10:30:21 AM  
"It's a testament to human stupidity that they can believe even half of the crap they're spewing."

as is my election. keep having kids. keep home schooling them. i'll eventually become emporer.
 
2005-06-22 10:30:28 AM  
I believe they will welcome us as liberators.
 
2005-06-22 10:30:35 AM  
What's the problem? Engagement is a far better way to smooth things out in the world. Vietnam is still sorta crazy, but we'll do more good for the both of us through direct dialog. Sheesh, Bu$h could turn Coke to Pepsi and you'd biatch.
 
2005-06-22 10:30:46 AM  
MisterE:
He should take John Kerry with him.
That way Kerry could get another purple heart for the jet lag.


Burrrrrrrrrrn!

2 parties, 1 thread. Nice going farkers. You made me proud today.
 
2005-06-22 10:31:13 AM  
Nice healine Submitter-
But hold did Obvious beat Ironic-??
 
2005-06-22 10:31:21 AM  
Clavis:

Yet another strange behavior pattern of the Common Neocon (republicanus nincompoopus) is his insistence that politics is actually a sporting event. Instead of recognizing that 51% of the 50% of the people who voted, voted for Bush, means that the country is deeply divided, and requires a uniter (not a divider), the Common Neocon exaults in his vicarious triumph. "In your face!", he shouts, as though his team just won the Superbowl. "Bush won the election! Game over! Losers quit whining!" The fact that the country still needs to function and overcome many obstacles seems to have escaped the Common Neocon. The appeal of schaudenfreude and the insecurity that comes with an inconsistent and self-serving ideology trump any civic ideals. Human dignity and mutual respect fall victim to schoolyard competitiveness and childish spite.

Sadly, this species is flourishing throughout the United States, particularly the South, where an environment of warm, damp, dark places provides fertile ground for the growth of this chattering pest.



James Wolcott is that you?
 
2005-06-22 10:31:29 AM  
I regret that I have but one quote to give my fellow FARKers

"We have, I fear, confused power with greatness."

Stewart L. Udall.
 
2005-06-22 10:31:53 AM  
damn, Clavis is all up ons.

/fox news has reports of performance enhancing drugs
 
2005-06-22 10:32:16 AM  
bakatare
The leftie delusionists are out early today!

"Leftie"? Wow, that hurts.

Fine, never mind Kerry. Ask John McCain and Max Cleland how much respect the Bush campaign machine has for veterans, dingleberry.
 
2005-06-22 10:32:38 AM  
SSPinkerton

ok, bush came over to my house one time, and he kicked my dog!, can you believe it? he kicked my dog, and the god damn reds say he's a "great leader", what kind of great leader goes around kicking dogs?, i'll tell ya who, HITLER!


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2005-06-22 10:32:42 AM  
The leftie delusionists are out early today.


Yes...we have to work.
 
2005-06-22 10:32:53 AM  
skidmark, support our troops - bring 'em home.
 
2005-06-22 10:34:05 AM  
the_gospel_of_thomas

like the Christmas of 1968 excursion of his that is Seared, SEARED into his memory.

Is "seared" a real word?

Yes. It is the past tense of "sear". Glad to help.
 
2005-06-22 10:34:18 AM  
of course that should be "how" not "hold"
/it's still early somewhere
 
2005-06-22 10:34:31 AM  
I imagine W lying on the Lincoln-bedroom bed in a post-JeffGannon-coital haze, staring at the ceiling fan while Jim Morrison ironically singing along with Jim Morrison:

"The west is the best
The west is the best
Get over there, and we'll do the rest

The short bus is callin' us
The short bus is callin' us
Driver, where you taken' us

The killer awoke before dawn, he put his cowboy boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and...then he
Paid a visit to his brother Jeb, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door...and he looked inside
Father, yes son, I want to kill you
Mother...I want to...fark you

C'mon baby, take a chance with us
C'mon baby, take a chance with us
C'mon baby, take a chance with us
And meet me at the back of the short bus
Doin' a crack rock
On a short bus
Doin' a crack rock
C'mon, yeah

Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end
 
2005-06-22 10:35:00 AM  
Blackeyes

support our troops - bring 'em home.


And then investigate why they were sent there in the first place.

/actually, I support the troops to come back, but it would be inhumane to leave iraq in it's present state, therefore, troops must remain there.
//and keep dying...
 
2005-06-22 10:35:23 AM  
Perhaps if he flies over North Korea on the way over, he'll be able to look down and see what some for-real WMDs look like.
 
2005-06-22 10:35:27 AM  
Perhaps McCain can give him a personal tour.
Show him the hell hole he had to live in while Dubya, Cheney, Rush... were state side.
AWOL Chicken-Hawk
 
2005-06-22 10:35:28 AM  
Clavis: dingleberry.



Now that baby, is new material.
Last time I heard that word use, my Mom was yelling at my Brother for leaving "dingleberries" in his underwear.
God rest em, lost em both this year:(
Carry on!
 
2005-06-22 10:36:03 AM  
I'm a big Bush supporter, war supporter, Conservative, and all that.

That headline is funny as shiat.
 
2005-06-22 10:36:55 AM  
"but it would be inhumane to leave iraq in it's present state, therefore, troops must remain there."

yes, my fellow americans. freedom and self-determination are inhumane. "take up the white man's burden", i say!
 
2005-06-22 10:37:03 AM  
Bravo submitter, bravo!

/golf claps all around, I do believe
 
2005-06-22 10:37:21 AM  
Is he taking his "Mission Accomplished" banner with him?
 
2005-06-22 10:38:04 AM  
smeegle

God rest em, lost em both this year:(


WHAT?!? What happenned?
 
2005-06-22 10:38:08 AM  
D_The_Duck
I'm a big Bush supporter, war supporter, Conservative, and all that.

So, when do you ship out for Falluja?
 
2005-06-22 10:38:11 AM  
Great headline!!!

\voted for Bush twice
 
2005-06-22 10:38:22 AM  
Oh I get it... The headline is funny because the President was in the Air National Guard during the Vietnam War.
 
2005-06-22 10:39:09 AM  
Dennis_Moore: Yes...we have to work.

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2005-06-22 10:39:16 AM  
D_The_Duck

I'm a big Bush supporter, war supporter, Conservative, and all that.


Please encourage everyone you know to enlist.
 
2005-06-22 10:39:21 AM  
"Oh I get it... The headline is funny because the President was in the Air National Guard during the Vietnam War."

i woudn't actually say i was IN the air national guard. i just hung out with those guys until things got scary.
 
2005-06-22 10:39:34 AM  
Not relevant. Rush has been feeding you the wrong talking points.

Not relevant? If it wasn't relevant, you wouldn't be trying to label me as a ditto head.

It's not my fault you had a sad candidate last year. Buck up buddy, you'll get another shot in a few short years. I suggest you help prepare a message other than "you listen to Rush" in order to win more votes next time.
 
2005-06-22 10:39:43 AM  
red_beard_neo
Dude, I would have your babies if I had a uterus.

Praise, indeed. Much thanks!


pontechango
Well said.

Thank you! :)


MisterE
No kidding. It's a testament to human stupidity that they can believe even half of the crap they're spewing.

Wow, it's a good thing we haven't lost sight of the importance of mutually respectful dialogue. After all, polarizing rhetoric and caricaturing the other side as foolish, wrongheaded and malicious would only hurt America as a whole.

havesometea
James Wolcott is that you?

You can call me "James Wolcott" if you like. Actually, I'm someone who thinks rationally, and who dislikes political manipulation based on fear, hatred and ignorance... and who lives inside a shoebox and eats cobwebs and dust bunnies.
 
2005-06-22 10:40:08 AM  
Regardless of where you stand politically you gotta love that headline. Come on, it was classic.
 
2005-06-22 10:40:10 AM  
hang on voltaire


He's not my President. Your vote, your fault, your responsibility.
 
2005-06-22 10:40:21 AM  
Jane Fonda surrenders.
 
2005-06-22 10:40:21 AM  
kevin5lynn: WHAT?!? What happenned?


Well, my Moms had to bury my brother, he choked to death.
She never got over it, health declined etc etc. 3 months later she passed.
Thing get better as time goes by though.
 
2005-06-22 10:40:49 AM  
Oh! The irony.

//Good job submitter!
 
2005-06-22 10:40:52 AM  
I'm so glad I voted against Bush, we are approaching "I told you so" territory and I plan to say it as much as possible.
 
2005-06-22 10:41:20 AM  
smeegle: I dream of the day we have a president that,
1. I actually voted for.


HAW.. that hits mighty close to home. My stellar record: Bush Sr., Dole, Gore, Kerry. I may quit voting for a while.
 
2005-06-22 10:41:23 AM  
"I'm going to Vietnam with the Secret Service Agents I have, not the coked up frat boys I'd like."
 
2005-06-22 10:41:57 AM  
i don't get it, he was protecting his country in the air national guard, did any vietnamese aircraft attack texas?, no. what, are you saying that was just a coincidence? i think not
 
2005-06-22 10:42:21 AM  
The Icelander: So, when do you ship out for Falluja?

Indeed.

Or please select from available excuses...

Too old
better things to do
family
anal cysts
all of the above
 
2005-06-22 10:42:44 AM  
BigTuna:

HAW.. that hits mighty close to home. My stellar record: Bush Sr., Dole, Gore, Kerry. I may quit voting for a while.

Naw sooner or later somethings gotta give, Right?
Yes?
Please say it will.
 
2005-06-22 10:42:48 AM  
Is "seared" a real word?

Yes, yes it is. And thats the only thing I feel safe contributing to a thread like this.
 
2005-06-22 10:42:51 AM  
kevin5lynn

And then investigate why they were sent there in the first place.

/actually, I support the troops to come back, but it would be inhumane to leave iraq in it's present state, therefore, troops must remain there.
//and keep dying...


You're right, we're farked :-/

son of secret police

"but it would be inhumane to leave iraq in it's present state, therefore, troops must remain there."

yes, my fellow americans. freedom and self-determination are inhumane. "take up the white man's burden", i say!


It's our mess; we have to clean it up.

Good Kipling ref tho.
 
2005-06-22 10:44:07 AM  
I was about to ask where all the Apocalypse Now shots were, but then there they were, so now I'll ask, where's that Willem Defoe 'Platoon' cover shot. Anybody remember Platoon for the C-64...? Loved the tunnel-rat sequence.

/random
//got not much
 
2005-06-22 10:44:13 AM  
Looks like Fark's swinging back to the Left again.

[image from photodump.com too old to be available]

Dance, monkeys!
 
2005-06-22 10:44:28 AM  
Clavis:

You can call me "James Wolcott" if you like. Actually, I'm someone who thinks rationally, and who dislikes political manipulation based on fear, hatred and ignorance... and who lives inside a shoebox and eats cobwebs and dust bunnies.

It was a compliment old bean. James Wolcott is one of my favorite writers and you share a similar style with him.
 
2005-06-22 10:44:36 AM  
"I'm a big Bush supporter, war supporter, Conservative..."

Which one of the above does not fit the set?

Conservative: Less government, balanced budgets, no foreign entanglements, states rights, individual rights.
 
2005-06-22 10:45:43 AM  
smeegle

Well, my Moms had to bury my brother, he choked to death.


Aye aye aye, death of a child..... nothing worse in this world.

Thing get better as time goes by though.

I hope they do. I'm not the sort to give "internet hugs", but if I were, I'd give you one!

.... very sad....

/did you say "Moms" on purpose, or typo?
 
2005-06-22 10:45:53 AM  
[image from deathcorps.net too old to be available]
 
2005-06-22 10:46:10 AM  
Hang On,

You're right. W is the president. He's the President who's responsible for this...

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/coffin_photos/dover/


How anyone can still respect this lying lame duck of a president after his catastrophic term in office is beyond me.
 
2005-06-22 10:46:21 AM  
BlindRaise

I'm so glad I voted against Bush, we are approaching "I told you so" territory and I plan to say it as much as possible.

Same here. I kinda feel like that guy in "Airplane":

"Shayna...they bought their tickets. They knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash!"
 
2005-06-22 10:46:42 AM  
smeegle:

Naw sooner or later somethings gotta give, Right?
Yes?
Please say it will.


Well, I suppose things have to get worse before they can get better, so in that vein I'll say yes, they will get better.

Eventually.
 
2005-06-22 10:47:17 AM  
Great headline ... I heard this news yesterday and wondered how to work Bush's lack of Vietnam service into a joke, and submitter did a fine job.
 
2005-06-22 10:47:34 AM  
MisterE [TotalFark]

bakatare: The leftie delusionists are out early today!

No kidding. It's a testament to human stupidity that they can believe even half of the crap they're spewing.


Lefties are extremely concerned about human stupidity, especially since it's in charge of Washington these days.
 
2005-06-22 10:47:51 AM  
BlindRaise:

I'm so glad I voted against Bush, we are approaching "I told you so" territory and I plan to say it as much as possible.

I voted "against" another candidate. The one that spake aboot things depending on which way the wind blew.

[image from 209.213.33.101 too old to be available]
 
2005-06-22 10:47:58 AM  
son of secret police

freedom and self-determination are inhumane.


Iraq hardly categorizes as "self-determination" (or maybe it does, but not the way you mean it).
 
2005-06-22 10:48:04 AM  
[image from loveinwar.com too old to be available]

Liberals really have nothing to crow about. So they tear down. Understandable.

 
2005-06-22 10:48:05 AM  
You know how happy I'd be if McCain broke away from both sides and ran as an independent? With most normal people sick of the crazies on both end, we could potentially have an independent president...

/I should stop daydreaming and GBTW
 
2005-06-22 10:49:25 AM  
'Iraq hardly categorizes as "self-determination"'

right. hey, just as long as they're under my thumb, i'm happy.
 
2005-06-22 10:49:43 AM  
kevin5lynn: /did you say "Moms" on purpose, or typo?

On purpose, I always liked the sound of Moms short for Momsy.
So no I don't have two Moms. But, these days you never know huh?
I digress.
We are stuck with the mess Dubya made and now it would be wrong to pull out of iraq too quickly.
 
2005-06-22 10:49:54 AM  
no...that headline is funny because it is just farkin' funny
 
2005-06-22 10:50:08 AM  
As great as the headline is,

Perhaps McCain can give him a personal tour.
Show him the hell hole he had to live in while Dubya, Cheney, Rush... were state side.


this is better. Thank you, GodsTumor.
 
2005-06-22 10:50:09 AM  
bakatare: The one that spake aboot things depending on which way the wind blew.

Wow, I didn't think anyone had the cojones to bring that up anymore, considering it's been so thoroughly debunked.
 
2005-06-22 10:50:14 AM  
kliq: You know how happy I'd be if McCain broke away from both sides and ran as an independent?


I've been dying to see him run as a democrat. For real-real.
 
2005-06-22 10:50:37 AM  
bakatare, keep it up! we don't want no war heroes in charge of this country.
 
2005-06-22 10:51:21 AM  
havesometea: The Icelander: So, when do you ship out for Falluja?

As a republican, he has the duity to support war by not enlisting:
Chickenhawks!
 
2005-06-22 10:51:41 AM  
Clavis

"Yet another strange behavior pattern of the Common Neocon (republicanus nincompoopus) is his insistence that politics is actually a sporting event. Instead of recognizing that 51% of the 50% of the people who voted, voted for Bush, means that the country is deeply divided, and requires a uniter (not a divider), the Common Neocon exaults in his vicarious triumph. "In your face!", he shouts, as though his team just won the Superbowl. "Bush won the election! Game over! Losers quit whining!" The fact that the country still needs to function and overcome many obstacles seems to have escaped the Common Neocon. The appeal of schaudenfreude and the insecurity that comes with an inconsistent and self-serving ideology trump any civic ideals. Human dignity and mutual respect fall victim to schoolyard competitiveness and childish spite.
Sadly, this species is flourishing throughout the United States, particularly the South, where an environment of warm, damp, dark places provides fertile ground for the growth of this chattering pest

Yet another typical response by the Common Moonbat (wackedoutis paranous) is his insistence that the election really did not matter, that losing the election by a narrow margin means more than actually winning it. The Moonbat disregards the wishes of the American people (reelecting a Republican president, increasing the number of Republicans in the House & Senate) and insists that what they want is what must be done. So they will dismiss being told that they should get over the election and allow the country to moveon (a pun, not a misspelling) by saying that the country is divided when that was not a problem when they had control of the government.
The Moonbat will not allow the country to function since all that matters is scoring political points so they will make ludicrous comparisons while playing to the propaganda of our enemies (Concentration camps = Gitmo). They will allege the most vile things they can think of against the President in a fit of rage reminiscent of a four year old child without facts (Rummy Kennedy accusing the Bush Administration of planning the Iraq war in Texas for political reasons and of paying off world leaders to support it.) They mask their unhappiness in life and non-achievement as compassion for the less fortunate while pushing programs that will hurt them. They actually respect and love dictators who have killed millions more than their own president. Sadly these Moonbats are fed by their own feelings of intellectual superiority which in turn costs them the very thing they want...political power.

[image from protestwarrior.com too old to be available]

[image from frontpagemag.com too old to be available]
 
2005-06-22 10:52:15 AM  
Colgate: Liberals really have nothing to crow about. So they tear down. Understandable.



You are supposed to bring new material to the flamewar.
 
2005-06-22 10:52:20 AM  
"Wow, I didn't think anyone had the cojones to bring that up anymore, considering it's been so thoroughly debunked."

we try to keep our (ahem) followers in the dark as to actual truth. it's a time-honored stratergery.
 
2005-06-22 10:52:26 AM  
Good, Vietnam needs a visit from The Banner.
 
2005-06-22 10:52:38 AM  
[image from webpages.charter.net too old to be available]
 
2005-06-22 10:52:47 AM  
prof_frink: f you like Bush then you haven't been paying attention.

...and probably have problems in the reading and cognitive skills area as well.
 
2005-06-22 10:53:43 AM  
BlindRaise
I'm so glad I voted against Bush, we are approaching "I told you so" territory and I plan to say it as much as possible.

So you are openly rooting for the United States to fail?
 
2005-06-22 10:53:51 AM  
Colgate

Liberals really have nothing to crow about.


Oh geeze.... There's SO MUCH.


smeegle

So no I don't have two Moms. But, these days you never know huh?


That's right!

We are stuck with the mess Dubya made and now it would be wrong to pull out of iraq too quickly.

Actually, what's going to happen is the next president (hopefully a democrat) will have to deal with this HUGE mess bush left. Then he'll be called all sorts of things, because he'll have to make very hard decisions.

/perhaps it'll be a "she"?
//That would be good, if only for the sakes of our daughters...
 
2005-06-22 10:54:13 AM  
"...and probably have problems in the reading and cognitive skills area as well."

and they said home schooling was a bad idea! ha!
 
2005-06-22 10:54:32 AM  
Clavis:

Fine, never mind Kerry. Ask John McCain and Max Cleland how much respect the Bush campaign machine has for veterans, dingleberry.


I've been called a lot of things but never dingleberry. It's so non-confrontational and liberal that I will accept that title.

That said, I would appreciate some links to articles that show the current president's anti-vet policies. I would like to be informed about it since I haven't heard much aboot it.
 
2005-06-22 10:54:50 AM  
Hang on Voltaire I may be an asshole but I think those two pictures are hilarious.
 
2005-06-22 10:55:11 AM  
"So you are openly rooting for the United States to fail?"

No more, I'd wager, than Republicans wanted that under Democratic presidents.
 
2005-06-22 10:55:39 AM  
what we need is a revolution

i'm not kidding, i'm sick and tired of what has become of two once valid options, the republicans used to be the party of fiscal responsibility, individual freedom, and a smaller federal government. the democrats weren't whiny annoying idiots who resemble the republicans more and more every day. maybe i think to much of the past, so correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't there a time in this country when it wasn't just about winning and losing, it was more about trying to get people to see things your way, not just lying to them to get what you want done (this does not just apply to the bush admin., i would have like to have known what kerry and gore actually believed, not just what should i say this week to try to get votes)
 
2005-06-22 10:56:21 AM  
Now that he has a security entourage, nobody is shooting anyone and Vietnam NEEDS the US for entry into the Global Economy, Bush feels the call to duty... Thank God we have heros like him to do the dirty jobs!!

I'll bet McCain is jealous as hell. He had to deal with some real crappy hospitality his first time to Nam.
 
2005-06-22 10:56:48 AM  
Great, great headline- almost spat coffee all over my conference call, however-

oh yeah- threadjack: check the FARK PSA from yesterday afternoon if you haven't yet-
 
2005-06-22 10:57:01 AM  
jgm1976: So you are openly rooting for the United States to fail?

George Bush !=the US
 
2005-06-22 10:57:34 AM  
But you know he still called Daddy Bush and begged him to call in some favors to keep him from having to go. Daddy bush was busy pal'ing around with Clinton and missed the call.
 
2005-06-22 10:57:53 AM  
'kevin5lynn
Then he'll be called all sorts of things, because he'll have to make very hard decisions.'

Being a defeatist pussy coward isn't having to make very hard decisions. Very hard decisions usually involve sacrifice. Running away like a weak liberal pussy isn't hard.
 
2005-06-22 10:58:10 AM  
Hang On Voltaire:

They actually respect and love dictators who have killed millions more than their own president.

Strawman ahoy!
 
2005-06-22 10:58:22 AM  
SSPinkerton:

what we need is a revolution

i'm not kidding, i'm sick and tired of what has become of two once valid options, the republicans used to be the party of fiscal responsibility, individual freedom, and a smaller federal government. the democrats weren't whiny annoying idiots who resemble the republicans more and more every day. maybe i think to much of the past, so correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't there a time in this country when it wasn't just about winning and losing, it was more about trying to get people to see things your way, not just lying to them to get what you want done (this does not just apply to the bush admin., i would have like to have known what kerry and gore actually believed, not just what should i say this week to try to get votes)


Never gonna happen my friend...but I completely agree with you.
 
2005-06-22 10:58:45 AM  
jgm1976

So you are openly rooting for the United States to fail?


I am. Here's why:

The USA acted very agressively, conquered another nation, without any cause whatsoever.

This is incredibly dangerous behavior. The US must fail, so that it will not be tempted to act in the same manner again.

/because if Iraq HAD been a cakewalk, who would you have invaded next?
 
2005-06-22 10:58:45 AM  
jgm1976:

So you are openly rooting for the United States to fail?

Because anything other than blind devotion to everything this administration tells you to believe means that you want the terrorists to win.
 
2005-06-22 10:59:13 AM  
"Being a defeatist pussy coward isn't having to make very hard decisions."

yeah, but that was way back in the 70's. i'm not a defeatist any more.
 
2005-06-22 10:59:22 AM  
bakatare:

I voted "against" another candidate. The one that spake aboot things depending on which way the wind blew.
Bush Flip Flops
 
2005-06-22 10:59:22 AM  
Hey, anyone hear the rumour about Joe Biden considering a run for the White House in 08?
He has the respect and reputation. We'll see.
 
2005-06-22 10:59:44 AM  
Vietnam has OIL????????
 
2005-06-22 11:00:21 AM  
kevin5lynn: who would you have invaded next?


Iran of course...
 
2005-06-22 11:00:29 AM  
If Bush and company aren't led away from the White House in handcuffs, then the U.S. has failed.
 
2005-06-22 11:00:44 AM  
Great headline!
 
2005-06-22 11:00:48 AM  
"You got democrats, which is a party of no ideas, and republicans, which is a party of bad ideas."

~ Lewis Black

/When I think 'intelligent discourse', oh yeah, I farkin' think Fark.com
 
2005-06-22 11:00:49 AM  
chainsawninja

oh yeah- threadjack: check the FARK PSA from yesterday afternoon if you haven't yet-


I have. It's very moving and hearfelt.

I will certainly refer to it the next time there is a discussion about national health care.

/Because people shouldn't have to beg on the internet for healthcare.
 
2005-06-22 11:01:01 AM  
PresidentPutz:

anyone hear the rumour about Joe Biden considering a run for the White House in 08?

No rumor, he announced his intention to run a few days ago.
 
2005-06-22 11:01:15 AM  
kevin5lynn:

Actually, what's going to happen is the next president (hopefully a democrat) will have to deal with this HUGE mess bush left. Then he'll be called all sorts of things, because he'll have to make very hard decisions.

I agree, it's as if the present administration doesn't care how much things get farked up because the next admin (probably a Dem) will have to struggle to clean up the mess left both domestically and internationally.
I dont know who is more anxious for the next election, the 49% that didn't vote for Dubya, or the rest of the free and not so free world.
 
2005-06-22 11:02:10 AM  
Colgate

Running away like a weak liberal pussy isn't hard.


I thought you liked the President.
 
2005-06-22 11:02:13 AM  
kevin5lynn: /Because people shouldn't have to beg on the internet for healthcare.


COMMUNIST!


/i keed.
 
2005-06-22 11:02:21 AM  
BigTuna: No rumor, he announced his intention to run a few days ago

Interesting,, let the Games begin.
 
2005-06-22 11:02:30 AM  
kevin5lynn

Why, Canada, of course. Oh, wait, we already did that. Even let you model Toronto after a typical american city, sans garbage strewn streets.

J/K, don't choke on your bearclaw.
 
2005-06-22 11:02:44 AM  
'havesometea

SSPinkerton:

what we need is a revolution'


Better pray hard we don't have that revolution. It'll not be the people you expect that do the revolting. The squeaky wheel tantrum throwers will be running for cover if the silent simmering pot in this country ever rises up and boils over.
 
2005-06-22 11:03:02 AM  
First, the point...
Clavis:For the last 6-7 years, Bush's spin machine has taken aim at legitimate veterans, and made it funny to crap on their war records, while casting a puppet chickenhawk whose daddy got him out of going to war, or even serving out his National Guard duty, as a "strong leader".

Hmmm...somewhat cliche, but rooted in fact (they did undermine veterans medals and efforts, Bush did miss the war), along with his personal interpretation of said facts.

Then, the immensely well thought out response from the other side of the aisle:

bakatare: The leftie delusionists are out early today!
MisterE:No kidding. It's a testament to human stupidity that they can believe even half of the crap they're spewing.

AAAWWWWW DAAWWWG!!! Ad hominem attacks in da hizOUSE!!! Hey, it's easier than thinking.

[image from news.globalfreepress.com too old to be available]

Man, if this exchange didn't some up modern political discourse in this country...
 
2005-06-22 11:03:23 AM  
So how many new votes do you think you guys can get with this "you're stupid and I'm not" mentality?

I say your party is dying, and this thread's low level of cogitation is proof in part.
 
2005-06-22 11:03:36 AM  
Hang On Voltaire

That "Shoot Their Officers" pic is from the the psycho right Fred Phelps. One of yours.
 
2005-06-22 11:03:37 AM  
jgm1976: So you are openly rooting for the United States to fail?

Look everyone, it's Sean Hannity! He didn't say that, or anything close to it. He's not rooting for it, he's watching it happen, that is a huge difference.

Bush going to Vietnam is like Barret Robbins attending the Super Bowl.
 
2005-06-22 11:04:09 AM  
"The squeaky wheel tantrum throwers will be running for cover..."

that's right. both dick and i will be repairing to undisclosed locations.
 
2005-06-22 11:04:26 AM  
'PresidentPutz

Hey, anyone hear the rumour about Joe Biden considering a run for the White House in 08?
He has the respect and reputation. We'll see.'

Hardy har har. Joe Biden is one oily car salesman of a politician. He's got -0- chance.
 
2005-06-22 11:04:39 AM  
Hang On Voltaire, I love how you post right-wing plants as genuine liberal behavior, when in fact the very displaying of such material would preclude one from being a leftist in the first place.
 
2005-06-22 11:04:51 AM  
BigTuna:

Wow, I didn't think anyone had the cojones to bring that up anymore, considering it's been so thoroughly debunked.

[image from 209.213.33.101 too old to be available]
[image courtesy of heap]

I hope you're referring to Kerry's well documented record of changing his position more often than he changes his underwear.
 
2005-06-22 11:05:07 AM  
The last time a Bush boy went to Asia he brought home something special for his wife.

Will W be going for a two-fer?
 
2005-06-22 11:05:09 AM  
Colgate

Liberals really have nothing to crow about. So they tear down. Understandable.

They learned it by watching you, Colgate, they learned it by watching you!
 
2005-06-22 11:05:14 AM  
smeegle

the next admin (probably a Dem) will have to struggle to clean up the mess left both domestically and internationally.


Exactly. Then you'll have neocons saying things like the stock market is in the toilet not because Bush put us on that path, but because this new democrat president took office three weeks ago...

/something like that.
 
2005-06-22 11:05:36 AM  
[image from bbc.co.uk too old to be available]


Awww... did somebody make fun of your Pwezzident?
 
2005-06-22 11:05:50 AM  
BigTuna,

Sweet. Finally a democrat with BALLS. Maybe we finally have the chance to see a turn around after 2 terms of this lie and spend and spend some more crap.

Granted, anyone taking over after the Shrub has one hell of a job to do in cleaning up the poliitcal, economic and global disaster the current asshat has turned the nation into. I agree that it won't be pretty or pleasant but it is necessary. This is what happens when you let silver-spooned bufoons run the country.
 
2005-06-22 11:06:19 AM  
"I hope you're referring to Kerry's well documented record of changing his position more often than he changes his underwear."

yeah, just because he acutally served his country doesn't make him a good guy. remember, kids: he forgot poland.
 
2005-06-22 11:06:42 AM  
SSPinkerton:

the republicans used to be the party of fiscal responsibility, individual freedom, and a smaller federal government. the democrats weren't whiny annoying idiots who resemble the republicans more and more every day.

That's not really true. Both parties have always done what it took to get the votes from as many people as possible, including the lowest and stupidest among us. That's why, for example, the Democrats espoused bigotry at one point, and why the Repubs took that job over when the dems were done. Through American history, the parties have changed dramatically, each one transforming so that each is opposite the other on every stance, even if it conflicts with other positions that they've held.
 
2005-06-22 11:07:19 AM  
Why do we have normalized relations with 2 totalitarian communist regimes in Asia, one of which we spent 59,000 lives trying unsuccesfully to change, but we still consider some dink in the caribbean persona non grata?

Is it just because its Castro? And if it is the case, once Castro dies (0-10 years...not that far off) will that change?
 
2005-06-22 11:07:42 AM  
Colgate:

Better pray hard we don't have that revolution. It'll not be the people you expect that do the revolting. The squeaky wheel tantrum throwers will be running for cover if the silent simmering pot in this country ever rises up and boils over.


I don't pray. But I am prepared for the ballon to go up...if war comes to my door it will find me at home and ready.

Ready to kill some Christofascists that is...

I don't believe it will come to that though because there are too many Americans who now believe in Revolution as an abstract marketing model.

[image from admin.webmakerx.net too old to be available]
 
2005-06-22 11:07:53 AM  
Submitter rocks
 
2005-06-22 11:08:06 AM  
Sure, Bush might be travelling to Vietnam, but once again, he'll let somebody else do the flying.
 
2005-06-22 11:08:44 AM  
Castro tried to become a nuke power. A tin pot dictator with the power to negotiate while holding the nuclear hammer is not something the USA aspires to see become commonplace. Think much?
 
2005-06-22 11:09:01 AM  
"the republicans used to be the party of fiscal responsibility, individual freedom, and a smaller federal government."

as long as fiscal responsibility means destroying the economy while building a huge war machine, as long as individual freedom meant freedom to do exactly what you're told, and smaller federal government meant the biggest army on earth, sure.
 
2005-06-22 11:09:18 AM  
/offers to buy headline submitter a beer.
 
2005-06-22 11:09:52 AM  
I'm not much of a Biden fan after reading this, but at the same time, his isn't an uncommon opinion and I could easily set it aside if the alternative was anyone from the current administration.

Although I have to say, he gained my respect when he snarled at Condi over the mistreatment of prisoners (something to the effect of "We don't torture our prisoners because WE DON'T WANT THEM TORTURING OURS"). Quite a moment, that was.
 
2005-06-22 11:10:12 AM  
"A tin pot dictator with the power to negotiate while holding the nuclear hammer is not something the USA aspires to see become commonplace. Think much?"

right. only the US can do that.
 
2005-06-22 11:11:03 AM  
Colgate

A tin pot dictator with the power to negotiate while holding the nuclear hammer is not something the USA aspires to see become commonplace.


Negotiate what? The right to participate in the world's economy?

Nuclear deterrement worked with Russia, it sure would work with Cuba too.
 
2005-06-22 11:11:11 AM  
I actually found this headline pretty funny as a joke.

Don't think there's anything in it as profound social commentary, but a good joke in any case.
 
2005-06-22 11:11:18 AM  
willywanka:

Is it just because its Castro? And if it is the case, once Castro dies (0-10 years...not that far off) will that change?

I don't know. Can't figure out why the US is being so moronically stubborn on the Cuba issue. Not defending Castro, just think a little economic influx would have been a positive undertaking for healthier relations. We just continue to treat them like shiat because we don't like Castro? Makes no sense. We've treated many other ruthless dictators with more respect.
 
2005-06-22 11:12:35 AM  
SacriliciousBeerSwiller:

Man, if this exchange didn't some up modern political discourse in this country...


And if only your spelling and grammar allowed you to SUM up your opinions...
 
2005-06-22 11:13:30 AM  
Colgate,

Castro didn't aspire to become a nuke power, he aspired to be the Soveit UNions Biatch, who already was a nuke power looking for a launch pad a little closer to Uncle Sam. Castro is just a tin-pan dictator lucky enough to inspire the hard-core socialists of his island and genetically gifted enough to outlive 4 of the last 9 presidents who have come and gone while his has remained.

Honestly, Castro never aspired for more than to be the king of his island. His initial intentions of an equal society under socialist ideals was nice but once he had the chair, his human greed and ego took the helm.
 
2005-06-22 11:13:32 AM  
bakatare:
I voted "against" another candidate. The one that spake aboot things depending on which way the wind blew.


Oh my God, did you just paraphrase a GOP political advertisement? DID YOU??? Yes, you did. Are you farking kidding me? Go sit in the corner.
 
2005-06-22 11:13:36 AM  
The Republicans on Fark not only suck because of their political choices, but have absolutely no sense of humor either (well, many of them - to be fair, I have seen a couple of people upthread who said they voted for Bush but still chuckled at the headline). It's really sad. Whether you're a douchebag republican voting moran or not, you could at least admit that this was a damn funny headline.
 
2005-06-22 11:14:37 AM  
part of the problem is, most people don't consider any third party an option (don't get me wrong, the other parties we have now aren't really options, the green party?, please, and the libertarians have some good ideas, but they are pretty scary). there has to be a point in this country when those of us in the middle (which, depending on the studies you look at, could be the majority) has a voice. but the system is set up against that happening, the parties that have been in power have set up the rules so that basically no one else can play. if there ever was a great third party candidate who won the more of the popular and electoral votes then either the dem. of the gop candidate, they still wouldn't have enough electoral votes to become president. so it would go to the congress, and then who would win? whoever have more of there party members there. i don't want to leave this country, i think its the greatest country in the world, but our political system has gotten itself farked up, and i don't know what we can do to fix it
 
2005-06-22 11:15:50 AM  
son of secret police

"yeah, just because he acutally served his country doesn't make him a good guy. remember, kids: he forgot poland."

He lost whatever respect he was due for his four months in Vietnam when he accused his fellow servicemen of being war criminals
 
2005-06-22 11:16:08 AM  
jgm1976: So you are openly rooting for the United States to fail?

kevin5lynn: I am. Here's why:
The USA acted very agressively, conquered another nation, without any cause whatsoever.
This is incredibly dangerous behavior. The US must fail, so that it will not be tempted to act in the same manner again.
/because if Iraq HAD been a cakewalk, who would you have invaded next?


So do any Democrats want to second kevin5lynn's opinion?
 
2005-06-22 11:16:16 AM  
SSPinkerton

Dude, you need to check out the Yellow Party (soon to be renamed). A link to some literature about it can be found in my profile.
 
2005-06-22 11:16:17 AM  
Colgate

Very hard decisions usually involve sacrifice. Running away like a weak liberal pussy isn't hard.

Can you name even ONE sacrifice Bush has had to make since he has been in office? Hmm? Even one? After all, being president is "hard work" according to your man. So surely there must be some "sacrifice" involved his part.

Bah! I waste my time. Keep the blinders up dude- Whiny LEFT! We're not listening! LALALALALALA! Here's a newsflash for you Colgate, not everyone who has seen through the Bush lies is a "Lefty" or "Liberal".
 
2005-06-22 11:16:33 AM  
bakatare:

I hope you're referring to Kerry's well documented record of changing his position more often than he changes his underwear.

Actually I was referring to the fact that Bush has an equally well-documented record of changing positions when political headwinds pick up. Using the waffle line is like making fun of someone for having hair.
 
2005-06-22 11:16:46 AM  
*ugh* I hate him, and all of his little friends. Please, just make them go away. Please?
 
2005-06-22 11:17:10 AM  
MentorLegion:

Lefties are extremely concerned about human stupidity, especially since it's in charge of Washington these days.


But it's how you FEEEEEEEL about it that matters, right?
 
2005-06-22 11:17:22 AM  
bakatare-

Nevertheless you still chose wrong.

Try using your brain next time to filter through the lies and propaganda, you farkin' moron.

By the way, want some examples of waffling, just a few off the top of my head?

Bush's incoherent, and dangerously ineffective policy of nuclear containment in Korea.
Bush's incoherent stem cell policy.
Bush's I don't want, now I want, attitude toward the Department of Homeland Security.


Flip flopping?
Bush's now I'm for it, now I'm against it attitude toward states' rights, ie in the shameful Terry Schiavo case.
Steel tariffs.

He's managed the war in Iraq with stunning incompetence, held absolutely no one accountable for their mistakes, run deficits so high, spent so much on this failing war, and increased government spending so much that his successor, and the American people who aren't already ridiculously wealthy are going to be completely fu-ked trying to repair the damage. Which is fine with him because he's never had a grander idea about what he wanted to do with his political power than to cut taxes for rich people.

Finally, the guy you voted for is a demonstrable dimwit and a coward, the spoiled son of a political dynasty built on political expedience rather than principle. He'd be only an embarassment if his incompentence and bad leadership hadn't caused so much death and destruction around the world.

And it's all partly your fault.
 
2005-06-22 11:17:31 AM  
A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence
Not relevant? If it wasn't relevant, you wouldn't be trying to label me as a ditto head.

It wasn't relative because the idiom "sour grapes" doesn't apply to me, and I'm not sure how it would.

It's not my fault you had a sad candidate last year. Buck up buddy, you'll get another shot in a few short years. I suggest you help prepare a message other than "you listen to Rush" in order to win more votes next time.

Once again, you completely miss the point. This isn't the Superbowl. This is our government we're talking about. We all have to work together to improve things, no matter what "team" we think we're on. Your attitude of "you lost, better luck next time, bad strategy for winning points" implies that all of politics is just a big popularity contest. You seem to be inordinately concerned with the competition and campaigning. How about civic duty?

I don't care about Kerry. We have a government and it's our duty to keep it honest and functioning well. If someone complains about the government, you saying "Uh, loser, Kerry lost, Cambodia Xmas, OMG LOL" is not only counterproductive, it's deliberately obfuscatory.

So eat me.
 
2005-06-22 11:17:31 AM  
Colgate:

A tin pot dictator with the power to negotiate while holding the nuclear hammer is not something the USA aspires to see become commonplace.

That logic is flawed because of US selectivity regarding who we choose to deal with. I give you, Paklistan, India oh and in the past other countries aspiring to gain nukes, Iraq and Libya.
 
2005-06-22 11:17:32 AM  
Hang On Voltaire:

He lost whatever respect he was due for his four months in Vietnam when he accused his fellow servicemen of being war criminals


Some of them WERE war criminals.
 
2005-06-22 11:17:52 AM  
bakatare:
And if only your spelling and grammar allowed you to SUM up your opinions...


You just started a sentence with a conjunction. I don't particularly care, but seeing as how you're proving my initial point as well as claiming the grammatical high-ground, I feel it necessary to point out your hypocrisy.
 
2005-06-22 11:17:52 AM  
2005-06-22 10:59:22 AM PresidentPutz


Hey, anyone hear the rumour about Joe Biden considering a run for the White House in 08?
He has the respect and reputation. We'll see.


As a Delawarian, I've heard quite a bit, but he had a lot of trouble last time he ran, so we'll have to wait and see. The Republican smear campaign is a tough nut to crack. Unless you're Jeff Gannon ;)
 
2005-06-22 11:17:56 AM  
"He lost whatever respect he was due for his four months in Vietnam when he accused his fellow servicemen of being war criminals"

exactly. there were no war criminals in viet nam! how could he say a thing like that! HE'S the war criminal!!!!! cuz he criticized americans!!!!! maybe we can get him thrown in prison or something.
 
2005-06-22 11:18:14 AM  
Colgate:

Castro tried to become a nuke power. A tin pot dictator with the power to negotiate while holding the nuclear hammer is not something the USA aspires to see become commonplace.

Now explain the other thirty years or so. Meanwhile, the Chinese Communists are forcibly aborting babies as they come to term and building a military machine of superpower caliber.

Think much?
What, are you looking for advice on how it works?
 
2005-06-22 11:19:32 AM  
jgm1976: So do any Democrats want to second kevin5lynn's opinion?


I'm not a Democrat but I agree with some of what he is saying...not all of it.

I don't believe the US "must" fail. We should pull out and arrest Bush and his war planners.
 
2005-06-22 11:20:14 AM  
jgm1976

So do any Democrats want to second kevin5lynn's opinion?


It's not so much that I want the USA to fail, more akin to wanting agressors fail, so they won't do it again.

but of course, to understand my point of view, you have to believe that this war was completely unjustified to begin with.
 
2005-06-22 11:20:34 AM  
and building a military machine of superpower caliber.


Well, we'll see about that. Right now they couldn't beat the Boy Scouts without a nuke.
 
2005-06-22 11:20:39 AM  
And here come the semi-pro shills, who will do anything to keep this discussion from being about anything other than the headline.

B...But Clinton!
 
2005-06-22 11:20:59 AM  
2wolves

"Hang On Voltaire
That "Shoot Their Officers" pic is from the the psycho right Fred Phelps. One of yours."

Try again.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=8744
http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/03/1583064.php
 
2005-06-22 11:21:02 AM  
As for the remarks to Party Options, third parties are considered extreme, eccelctic and to far this way or that BUT if you look at the direction the Republican Party has taken, they have entered into that realm, full tilt, by playing to the "Jesus Wants The Bush" crowd and the "Your body IS my Business" crowd as well as the "Make them documented workers cus it saves me money and keeps my lawn cut" crowd.

Seriously, everything that the GOP screamed bloody murder abuot even as few as 15 years ago has become their mantra for progress. They belive in small government onnly whejn measuring the size of the minds occupying the 15,000 new positions their expanded government agenda has created. They only believe in the freedom of religion if Jesus is on the membership form. They only believe in freedom of speech if it parrots their own thoughts (See all the stories about Bush crews clearing out dissenting opinions at any function he has spoken at).
 
2005-06-22 11:21:07 AM  
Hang On Voltaire:
He lost whatever respect he was due for his four months in Vietnam when he accused his fellow servicemen of being war criminals


How DARE he be honest! Historical accuracy hates America!
 
2005-06-22 11:21:13 AM  
SacriliciousBeerSwiller:

Oh my God, did you just paraphrase a GOP political advertisement? DID YOU??? Yes, you did. Are you farking kidding me? Go sit in the corner.


I'm on timeout daddy? Grow some balls and give me a proper thrashing. Oh wait, you got your kid's entire little league to stop keeping score; so I guess that gives me a reprieve! I'm back!
 
2005-06-22 11:21:20 AM  
Ah Colgate, wielding your usual internet bravery I see. Remember, one can always one-up you. If you're 6 foot 6, I'm 6 foot 7. Your cock's a foot long? Mine's measured in meters.
 
2005-06-22 11:21:30 AM  
I hope you're referring to Kerry's well documented record of changing his position more often than he changes his underwear.

Yes, because we all know that staying the course, even when it's dead wrong to do so, is always the better option.

You know, if I acted like that at work- stay the course, never learn from my mistakes and change direction- I would have been fired a long time ago. You don't reward people for being narrow-minded and unable to grow and learn and admit mistakes... unless they are a Republican president, apparently.
 
2005-06-22 11:21:42 AM  
Colgate

Castro tried to become a nuke power.

nope. Castro agreed to (well, bad word, as "agreed" infers he had an option) house Russian nukes on his territory. There is nothing that says cuba actually actively pursued a nuclear arms program itself, or attempted to purchase nukes. Yes, Castro was quoted as saying something to the effect of "if those missles were ours and not Russia's, we would send them flying straight into washington" or something like that. But that's just standard "death to america" sabre-rattling, and considering we spent a couple of decades coming up with plans to blatently unseat and/or assasinate him, doesn't come as much of a shock.
 
2005-06-22 11:22:32 AM  
Hang On Voltaire:

He lost whatever respect he was due for his four months in Vietnam when he accused his fellow servicemen of being war criminals

Try again, moron. He didn't accuse anyone of anything. He referred to the firsthand accounts given by the other participants of the Winter Soldier Investigation. Anyone interested in the truth can read the testimony at http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_S oldier/WS_entry.html

Of course, you probably already know this, and are repeating your lies to fool stupid and lazy people. Or maybe you fit into the latter category.
 
2005-06-22 11:23:45 AM  
Whether you're a douchebag republican voting moran or not, you could at least admit that this was a damn funny headline.

I think it is a very funny headline, props to the subnitter! However the "douchebag republican voting moran" I will take exception to, as I don't find that to humor in that.

I will be voting this year for a democrat in the St. Paul Mayor race, first time voting (D) since I made that Carter mistake, sorry everyone. Mayor Kelly (D) endorsed Bush.
 
2005-06-22 11:23:47 AM  
"Of course, you probably already know this, and are repeating your lies to fool stupid and lazy people."

hey! that's what makes this country GREAT!
 
2005-06-22 11:23:56 AM  
Is there any way for mods to automatically add the cliche but obligatory "/got nothing" to the end of each of Colgate's posts?
 
2005-06-22 11:23:59 AM  
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2005-06-22 11:25:00 AM  
BigTuna:

Actually I was referring to the fact that Bush has an equally well-documented record of changing positions when political headwinds pick up. Using the waffle line is like making fun of someone for having hair.

Point conceded. But you have to give John Kerry bonus points for style. He did it with a blatancy and disregard for honesty that superceded any previous candidate.
 
2005-06-22 11:25:22 AM  
American soldiers committing atrocities at the order of their superiors? Unthinkable.

http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_S oldier/WS_entry.html

So don't think.
 
2005-06-22 11:26:40 AM  
You left-right extremists are morons. Get a brain, think for yourselves!
 
2005-06-22 11:27:20 AM  
Thank God liberals are innefectual.
 
2005-06-22 11:27:31 AM  
Colgate is going to take a little time to reevaluate his posting style, and hopefully he'll return tomorrow a little wiser and a little less hostile.
 
2005-06-22 11:27:34 AM  
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2005-06-22 11:28:13 AM  
kevin5lynn:

but of course, to understand my point of view, you have to believe that this war was completely unjustified to begin with.

I share your view to a point. I don't think the issue can be that simplistic as to label this war a success or a failure.
In my eyes Bush failed the country when he derailed the military from capturing Osama and instead invaded Iraq.
Now that the US is in there we can't just take off and say "See Ya, ha ha we screwed up, gotta go now" in that sense we must have a successful exit strategy that will leave a somewhat stabilized situation.
God help us all if we dont get this shiat in check.
My complaint is that we cannot and should not be the lone police of the world.
 
2005-06-22 11:28:25 AM  
well TheRealist, thanks for summing up for us
 
2005-06-22 11:28:27 AM  
whorehopper

"And here come the semi-pro shills, who will do anything to keep this discussion from being about anything other than the headline.
B...But Clinton!"

The only time I see Clinton mentioned in this thread is from you guys. So why are you changing the discussion?
 
2005-06-22 11:28:40 AM  
I don't like Kerry BUT he was only telling the truth about the war crimes committed by US soldiers in Vietnam.

Did american soldiers kill innocent people? Yes. War Crime

Did american agencies committ a covert war out of Laos, against international law and convention? Yes. War Crime

Did american soldiers committ depravities and horrible crimes (Rape, torture, wholesale destruction of uninvolved villages)? Yes. War crime

Calling the man a traitor for acknowledging the inhuman acts of his brothers takes a strength of character. I still don't like the guy but you have to respect his character for that much.

Also, there is NO politician alive that hasn't meandered on three sides of any issue so calling Kerry a flip-flopper is just a statement of how ALL politicians operate on a daily basis.
 
2005-06-22 11:28:40 AM  
Colgate:

Better pray hard we don't have that revolution. It'll not be the people you expect that do the revolting. The squeaky wheel tantrum throwers will be running for cover if the silent simmering pot in this country ever rises up and boils over.

I'd bet a months pay that Colgate's got a copy of The Turner Diaries on his shelf.
 
2005-06-22 11:28:56 AM  
jeffale:

Finally, the guy you voted for is a demonstrable dimwit and a coward, [blah blah blah blah blah...] and it's all partly your fault.

His alleged demonstrable dimwittedness and cowardice has nothing to do with me, if they even exist. You go taxraiser boy.
 
2005-06-22 11:29:15 AM  
Can you name even ONE sacrifice Bush has had to make since he has been in office? Hmm? Even one?

I heard he hasn't had time to check out the hit new Fox Reality Show "The Real Gilligan's Island". And no one can figure out how to set the VCR. Tragic, really.
 
2005-06-22 11:29:38 AM  
B.P.

Thank God liberals are innefectual.


If you look at the last 100 years, you will see that every. single. progress. has been brought to you by liberals.

Liberals have, literally, changed the world (for the better).

Bush wants to push it back, but he's hardly successfull at it. He's just a speedbump on the road to progress, is all.
 
2005-06-22 11:29:54 AM  
You go taxraiser boy.\

You go deficit boy!
 
2005-06-22 11:31:12 AM  
SacriliciousBeerSwiller:

You just started a sentence with a conjunction. I don't particularly care, but seeing as how you're proving my initial point as well as claiming the grammatical high-ground, I feel it necessary to point out your hypocrisy.


You are correct sir. I was attempting to exercise literary license but you have reminded me that on Fark, such licences are as valid as a suicide bomber license. They don't exist and only serve to cause problems.
 
2005-06-22 11:31:20 AM  
If you look at the last 100 years, you will see that every. single. progress. has been brought to you by liberals.

Actually, both the repubs and dems today stem from the "liberal" tradition vs. the now defunct laisezz-faire tradition of the early 20th cty.
 
2005-06-22 11:31:32 AM  
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2005-06-22 11:32:18 AM  
"You go deficit boy!"

don't worry about the deficit. let your children pay it off. we NEEED these cruise missles, dammit.
 
2005-06-22 11:32:21 AM  
kevin5lynn:

If you look at the last 100 years, you will see that every. single. progress. has been brought to you by liberals.

Um, yeah. Progress is brought by the free markets. Big government is brought to us by liberals.
 
2005-06-22 11:32:28 AM  
It wasn't relative because the idiom "sour grapes" doesn't apply to me, and I'm not sure how it would.

You started with throwing the label "neo con" around, then you implied I was a Rush Limbaugh fan.

Sour grapes, envy, jealousy, spite. Pick one, they all apply in some way.

So eat me.

And thus, the sum of your argument here. That's not the sad part, though. What's sad is you had a cheerleading section for such a message.
 
2005-06-22 11:32:36 AM  
alleged demonstrable dimwittedness and cowardice

The "alleged" blue sky...
 
2005-06-22 11:32:57 AM  
sigdiamond2000

i'll take that bet, and i'll bet he doesn't have any books on his shelf, well none without pictures at least
 
2005-06-22 11:33:21 AM  
"Um, yeah. Progress is brought by the free markets. Big government is brought to us by liberals."

right!!!! all that money we're spending isn't on government, it's on....uh.... terra. yeah, that's it.
 
2005-06-22 11:35:10 AM  
smeegle

we must have a successful exit strategy that will leave a somewhat stabilized situation.


True. Here's my "ideal" solution:

- USA leaves Iraq as a stable and democratic country.
- USA learns that adventures like that are costly, never supports it again.

I doubt Bush is remotely capable of delivering something like that.

more likely, you'll have hatful iraqis coming into the usa for the next twenty years wanting to blow things up as revenge.

My complaint is that we cannot and should not be the lone police of the world.

The United Nations should do that.
 
2005-06-22 11:35:15 AM  
I guess it's not such a bad thing that Pat Tillman died after all. I'd hate to think he'd have to be attacked for his service like John Kerry and John McCain have.

No one in administration must be able to feel shame.
 
2005-06-22 11:35:15 AM  
2005-06-22 11:29:38 AM kevin5lynn

Liberals have, literally, changed the world (for the better).

Bush wants to push it back, but he's hardly successfull at it.


And what is it that Bush want's to push back, exactly?
 
2005-06-22 11:36:18 AM  
Moderator:

Colgate is going to take a little time to reevaluate his posting style, and hopefully he'll return tomorrow a little wiser and a little less hostile.

oops, didn't notice he was booted, i'll refrain from making any more comments in his absence
 
2005-06-22 11:36:23 AM  
Good Headline...

Bush still rocks.
 
2005-06-22 11:36:29 AM  
look, kids, it's all about money. big big money.

the damn liberals want to spend money on PEOPLE, i want to spend it on BOMBS.

the damn liberals want to actually pay for their government. i want to just run up the ole' credit card and let the next guy worry about paying it off.
 
2005-06-22 11:36:53 AM  
son of secret police:

right!!!! all that money we're spending isn't on government, it's on....uh.... terra. yeah, that's it.

Republicans are just as guilty as the Democrats of being big government statists.
 
2005-06-22 11:37:05 AM  
No third party will win the White House in our lifetimes because we're locked into the two-party system. People don't want to "throw away" their vote by voting for a third party candidate on principle.

There is a way to stop that, though. Instant Runoff Voting. If you wanted to vote for Nader in 2004 but felt it was more important to support Kerry against Bush, you could have had it both ways. You wouldn't have risked anything voting for Nader because your second choice (Kerry) would have been counted when Nader was eliminated.

Great system. Probably won't see it anytime soon either.
 
2005-06-22 11:37:07 AM  
danlpoon: You go deficit boy!

Interesting that you should bring up the deficit. While left wing liberals would have you believe that the national deficit will bring death and destruction to us, the historical facts are that national deficits in fact do no such things.

The deficit is NOT the monster that it is made out to be. The country grows and thrives no matter. It's another alarmist tactic much like global warming.

Now that I've introduced a few more arguing points, pick your direction. There still is no concrete proof that anythign we have been talking about has any real impact on anything, but then again, it's fun to flamewar, isn't it?

Or can I just summarize and say "We DON'T AGREE!" and leave it at that?
 
2005-06-22 11:37:22 AM  
Progress is brought by the free markets. Big government is brought to us by liberals

American Democratic governments = socialists
American Republican Governments = socialists

The hair is so thin it cannot be split.

free markets
Except for "garage-based hair-braiding salons" show me one "free" market in America?
 
2005-06-22 11:37:23 AM  
"And what is it that Bush want's to push back, exactly?" (sic)

well, for one thing: freedom.
 
2005-06-22 11:38:02 AM  
Anyway, the people who voted for President Bush and continue to support him are stupid.
 
2005-06-22 11:38:05 AM  
whorehopper

And here come the semi-pro shills, who will do anything to keep this discussion from being about anything other than the headline.
B...But Clinton!


I think we need to introduce a corollary to Godwin's Law regarding 'the C word'. It could state that whoever says 'the C word' to try to derail an attack on Dear Leader is a complete and utter dumbfark, but of course we already knew that.

sonnyboy11


You know, if I acted like that at work- stay the course, never learn from my mistakes and change direction- I would have been fired a long time ago. You don't reward people for being narrow-minded and unable to grow and learn and admit mistakes... unless they are a Republican president, apparently.


You're a flip-flopping librul waffler. If you're driving down a road and you see a big hole in front of you, you should obviously Stay The Course. If you don't, you're a traitor.
 
2005-06-22 11:38:49 AM  
sigdiamond2000

I'd bet a months pay that Colgate's got a copy of The Turner Diaries on his shelf.

This is what I thought of as well. Luckily NASCAR, Blue Collar TV, and increasinly cute cousins will prevent that particular "revolution" from ever happening.
 
2005-06-22 11:38:55 AM  
danlpoon:

Except for "garage-based hair-braiding salons" show me one "free" market in America?

They're all free. Sorry you missed it.
 
2005-06-22 11:38:58 AM  
"the historical facts are that national deficits in fact do no such things."

right! we can borrow forever and never worry about a thing.
 
2005-06-22 11:39:22 AM  
kevin5lynn: USA learns that adventures like that are costly, never supports it again.

Not gonna happen anytime soon. Both parties operate on the strategy of creating a regime change in any country deemd a threat to it's neighbors or the US in general.
We haven't learned what a mess that creates. ItSOP so we just keep doing it.
Duh el stupido pete and repeat situation, urks me.
 
F42
2005-06-22 11:39:25 AM  
scraping-fetus-off-the-wheel:
Anybody gonna credit Clinton for normalizing relations with Vietnam?


He did it for the poontang!
Hmmm... tang...
 
2005-06-22 11:39:37 AM  
forditude

Um, yeah. Progress is brought by the free markets.


Perhaps you mean technological progress? That's not what I meant (althought, I could argue that technological progress is brought to YOU by mainly liberal people).

I was talking about civil rights, feminism, things like that...
 
2005-06-22 11:39:38 AM  
Lemme throw this "Concept of Conspiracy" out there.

Christians believe, inevitably, that Christ is coming. They belive it will be soon. They believe it is in their dogmatic responsibility to bring as many people to Jesus as possible. They believe that the seat of the second coming is in the middle east. They believe they are the soldiers for the return of Jesus and the progression of Armageddon, the rebirth of man and the ascension of the pure into heaven.

Take all that and validate it against Bush's actions. He has managed to get an entire army into the middleeast, into the seat of what some consider the center of the second coming. He is spending the American economy like there is no tomorrow (because maybe he believes that there is really no tomorrow). He is force feeding his Christian agenda down every open throat he and his people can find. He supports Israel no matter what they do, which is basically destabilizing the entire region and he believes he was chosen for the presidency by none other than God him/her-self.

Does anyone see the implications of this?

/Removes tin hat from head
//Pins on Pro-W pin
///Waits quietly for the End of Days
 
2005-06-22 11:40:57 AM  
kevin5lynn, The Icelander

Ah, the argument that you can't support something without actually participating in it. You guys crack me up, espically the one from Montreal. It's not even in your country farktard. MYOB
 
2005-06-22 11:41:27 AM  
A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence

Sour grapes, envy, jealousy, spite. Pick one, they all apply in some way.


"Sour grapes" doesn't apply, actually. Democrats still want the office of the presidency and have never said anything to the contrary. The more you know, Pinto.
 
2005-06-22 11:41:33 AM  
A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence
So eat me.


And thus, the sum of your argument here.

Not really. Just goofiness at the end of quite a bit of legitimate discourse... all of which you ignored, since you being insulting and smug wouldn't have looked good in response.

Your arrogance and divisive rhetoric is hurting this country. Is that simple enough for you?

That's not the sad part, though. What's sad is you had a cheerleading section for such a message.

The cheerleading was for the meat, not the garnish. I think what's really sad is that you're so convinced that anyone who disagrees with you is a misinformed boob that you aren't even capable of recognizing actual reasonable ideas anymore.
 
2005-06-22 11:41:48 AM  
A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence

And what is it that Bush want's to push back, exactly?


Well, things like Social Security, for example.

Or amending the Constitution to deprive people of some freedom!

Or cutting in social programs that have helped those in need...

Or by cutting stem cell research...

So, yeah, those kinds of things.
 
2005-06-22 11:41:56 AM  
Needs an [image from img.fark.com too old to be available] tag.
 
2005-06-22 11:44:26 AM  
kevin5lynn:

Perhaps you mean technological progress? That's not what I meant (althought, I could argue that technological progress is brought to YOU by mainly liberal people).

Liberal people staying out of the damn way maybe.

I was talking about civil rights, feminism, things like that...

We don't need government intervention in states rights issues.
 
2005-06-22 11:44:58 AM  
So wait. Are you saying that rich people start the wars, but only poor people die in them? I'm SHOCKED!

Instead of dying FOR the rich while killing strangers, the poor could just eliminate the middleman and die while killing the rich.

Isn't that called "revolution" or something?

Cue the "distribution of wealth" graphic (no html skillz)
 
2005-06-22 11:45:19 AM  
bakatare:

The deficit is NOT the monster that it is made out to be. The country grows and thrives no matter.

So what you're saying is that the $321,566,323,971.29 that the fed gov't paid in interest in 2004 actually didn't hurt us at all? Funny, because that's how much we've spent in Iraq as of yesterday's approval for more supplemental funding.
 
2005-06-22 11:45:51 AM  
They're all free. Sorry you missed it.

You cannot dabble in (hardly) ANY market without licensure from some branch of american government.

Lawyer-Bar, Dr.-Dr.ing license, Contractor's = State license. hairdresser-State license. Stock trader- SEC approval.

The US Government is "in" every aspect of the market. Hence, not at all "free".

Show me an occupation worth having that the government can't take away from me.
 
2005-06-22 11:46:16 AM  
kevin5lynn

We also have laws that take away the freedom of people to molest children, yell fire in a movie theatre and those sorts of things. Are you an anarchist? Should we all be left to our own devices? (Except for Bush?) All laws regulate freedoms. He has an opinion on how that freedom should be regulated. I don't agree, but if the 2/3 of the country does, it will be law. I don't see what's wrong with that. It's not like saying you can't be homosexual, it's just not granting the privleges of marrige to them. Saying they aren't inherently endowed with that right.
 
2005-06-22 11:47:16 AM  
bakatare

The deficit is NOT the monster that it is made out to be. The country grows and thrives no matter.


What's interesting about the deficit is that someone owns it. In the USA's case, it's increasingly China that owns the deficit.

The impact is that, as the USA relies more and more on debt, lending countries start calling the shots (you will lower so and so tariffs, otherwise we'll increase our lending percentage).

Also, as you and your children pay off the debt, that's money that's not actually being spent on anyone or anything. not the roads, not healthcare, not education. It's just like throwing it in a big hole.
 
2005-06-22 11:47:49 AM  
PresidentPutz: Does anyone see the implications of this?



I do and I am not afrain to say it. There is a Dominionist movement afoot and it aint pretty.


Got no tin hat, don't need one, juz call me lead head:)
kidding (about the lead headonly)
 
2005-06-22 11:48:28 AM  
Colgate

Very hard decisions usually involve sacrifice. Running away like a weak liberal pussy isn't hard.

Neither is anonymously talking like a tough guy on the internets.
 
2005-06-22 11:49:05 AM  
I was talking about civil rights, feminism,Great Depression, Oh wait, that was big RR and oil business and the failure of government to stem anti-trust. Sorry.
 
2005-06-22 11:49:17 AM  
danlpoon:

You cannot dabble in (hardly) ANY market without licensure from some branch of american government.

That has nothing to do with the fact that anyone can still choose to open these types of businesses and compete with others, and that the end choices are still up to consumers. I don't agree with unnecessary licensing either, but free markets mean that both producers and consumers, not the government, dictate their wants and needs.
 
2005-06-22 11:49:31 AM  
D_The_Duck

Ah, the argument that you can't support something without actually participating in it.


I'm not sure what you refer to here?

It's not even in your country farktard. MYOB

Does that invalidate any of my opinions?

/Montreal in the summer, you should see the ladies!!!
 
2005-06-22 11:49:46 AM  
Hahahahaha, best headline of the day.
 
2005-06-22 11:49:56 AM  
xebeche_tzu:

Instead of dying FOR the rich while killing strangers, the poor could just eliminate the middleman and die while killing the rich.



Eat the Rich then go outside and eat some cars...
 
2005-06-22 11:50:20 AM  
The squeaky wheel tantrum throwers will be running for cover if the silent simmering pot in this country ever rises up and boils over.

Sadly, I think you are right about this. More right than anyone will give you credit for. I don't think we're on the brink, but we can see the brink from here.

I don't think people realize just how close to a full-fledged fascist uprising this country is right now. Mark my words, if a radioactive "dirty bomb" goes off in an American city tomorrow, there will be no stopping the downward spiral.
 
2005-06-22 11:50:36 AM  
no nation in the history of the world has had a deficit anywhere near as great as ours, i've heard people say that this isn't a problem, but those people obviously don't know what they are talking about, they just listen to their governmental overlords (both parties, whenever they are in power) tell them that it's ok and don't bother looking into it (shocking i know). do you have any idea what the value of a dollar is based on? gold? silver?, no, not anymore, it's based on your belief that is has value, that's it. the only reason it has value is because everyone believes it does, no other reason. so, by extension, it's value is tied to peoples confidence in the united states government, and the first time, the first time we are force to default on a loan or bond, that confidence is shattered, probably irreparably. and all those dollars we have tucked away in a bank somewhere are basically worthless (think ruple after the collapse of the soviet union), ignoring the deficit is just about the most destructive thing we can do to our country, this is the most important problem to be addressed by every administration (by contrast gay marriage is, i believe 1257th on the list), and yet no politician wants to raise taxes, so we dig the hole deeper and deeper to our own ruin. the good news is it probably won't happen in our lifetime
 
F42
2005-06-22 11:50:47 AM  
bakatare: Kerry's well documented record of changing his position

Only fools never change their minds.
And Bush flip-flops on the "why" of Iraq about once a month, btw, why don't you call him names?
 
2005-06-22 11:51:04 AM  
Clavis:

Clavis [TotalFark]

A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence
Please chew those grapes before you swallow. You might choke.

"sour grapes - denial of the desirability of something after one has found out that it cannot be reached or acquired"

Not relevant. Rush has been feeding you the wrong talking points.




I've been down this road before with him. He can't seem to use or comprehend popular phrases, even after explanations.

Doesn't stop him though.
 
2005-06-22 11:51:25 AM  
D_The_Duck
Ah, the argument that you can't support something without actually participating in it.

Yeah, now we all know where you stand

[image from img.photobucket.com too old to be available]

(safely on the sidelines)
 
2005-06-22 11:51:28 AM  
forditude

We don't need government intervention in states rights issues.


Doesn't the Constitution trump state rights?
 
2005-06-22 11:51:53 AM  
gilgigamesh: Neither is anonymously talking like a tough guy on the internets.

Don't let it get you in a wad. Mods gave him a day off so he won't be responding.

Take heart laddy, take heart.
 
2005-06-22 11:51:54 AM  
...markets... "They're all free. Sorry you missed it."

So I'm free to create a monopoly? Or bust price supports on milk? Or use P.O. Boxes?

You need to go back to managed capitalism 101 for a refresher.
 
2005-06-22 11:52:01 AM  
PresidentPutz

Lemme throw this "Concept of Conspiracy" out there.

Christians believe, inevitably, that Christ is coming. They belive it will be soon. They believe it is in their dogmatic responsibility to bring as many people to Jesus as possible. They believe that the seat of the second coming is in the middle east. They believe they are the soldiers for the return of Jesus and the progression of Armageddon, the rebirth of man and the ascension of the pure into heaven.

Take all that and validate it against Bush's actions. He has managed to get an entire army into the middleeast, into the seat of what some consider the center of the second coming. He is spending the American economy like there is no tomorrow (because maybe he believes that there is really no tomorrow). He is force feeding his Christian agenda down every open throat he and his people can find. He supports Israel no matter what they do, which is basically destabilizing the entire region and he believes he was chosen for the presidency by none other than God him/her-self.

Does anyone see the implications of this?

/Removes tin hat from head
//Pins on Pro-W pin
///Waits quietly for the End of Days


Don't forget the Prophecy of Malachy. Also don't forget that George talks to Jesus every day, and that God actively tells George what to do.

But I don't buy into that. Any of it. Someone as truly evil as him couldn't be as naive and stupid as that. It all comes down to giving his supporters a warm and fuzzy feeling as he prepares to fark them up the ass without lube. He needs to pull in the good 'ol boys, so he portrays himself as a Texas ranch-guy, the old Noble Cowboy type. Of course, that's complete bullshiat, and you'll never see the man on a horse. Then he pleases the extreme religious right by legislating his "religion" upon the nation. Then he appeases the middle-class yupster Born Again Christians by being one of them as well.

All the while he undoes the belt of this nation, and gets himself ready to penetrate. He is an evil, vile man.
 
2005-06-22 11:52:41 AM  
milk_plus

"I guess it's not such a bad thing that Pat Tillman died after all. I'd hate to think he'd have to be attacked for his service like John Kerry and John McCain have.
No one in administration must be able to feel shame."

Got a quote from someone in the administration attacking Kerry's or McCain's service? I am assuming that you have some shame and would not just be throwing out accusations
 
2005-06-22 11:52:42 AM  
The deficit is NOT the monster that it is made out to be. The country grows and thrives no matter.

This is perhaps the dumbest thing I have ever, EVER seen on Fark.com. Words fail my disgust for this type of thinking.
 
2005-06-22 11:53:30 AM  
D_The_Duck: Saying they aren't inherently endowed with that right.

All Americans are inherently endowed with all rights except those ceded to the federal government in the Constitution/BoR and those specifically limited by states.

I'm not trying to be inflammatory here, but these really are the same arguments that have been used throughout history against groups of people considered inferior to the rest. I'd really like to think we'll learn sooner or later, but then I remember that Springer has had a 10+ year run.
 
2005-06-22 11:53:33 AM  
suebhoney
"As a Delawarian, I've heard quite a bit, but he had a lot of trouble last time he ran, so we'll have to wait and see. The Republican smear campaign is a tough nut to crack. Unless you're Jeff Gannon ;)"

Yeah that Republican smear campaign really did a great job when they forced Biden to plagiarize
 
2005-06-22 11:53:52 AM  
Your arrogance and divisive rhetoric is hurting this country. Is that simple enough for you?

Didn't realize I had that much influence. Or are you trying to say that everyone who voted for Bush is arrogant and/or divisive?

I'm not sure, as you haven't been very clear.

I think what's really sad is that you're so convinced that anyone who disagrees with you is a misinformed boob that you aren't even capable of recognizing actual reasonable ideas anymore.

I welcome reasonable ideas.

The following: (Yet another strange behavior pattern of the Common Neocon (republicanus nincompoopus)) is not something I normally attribute to reason, though.

Hit me again with your idea, but try to leave out the rhetoric this time.
 
2005-06-22 11:54:13 AM  
Mr_Fabulous:

Mark my words, if a radioactive "dirty bomb" goes off in an American city tomorrow, there will be no stopping the downward spiral.

There is no stopping it already...a dirty bomb will just accelerate it.
 
2005-06-22 11:55:17 AM  
SSPinkerton: the good news is it probably won't happen in our lifetime

Well Pink, I hope you are right. From where Im sittin it wont take much oil maneuvering to topple the dollar.
 
2005-06-22 11:55:21 AM  
BTW, when did the Right start openingly bashing decorated veterans while embracing cowards?

Has it always been this way and I just haven't noticed?
 
2005-06-22 11:55:30 AM  
"Got a quote from someone in the administration attacking Kerry's or McCain's service? I am assuming that you have some shame and would not just be throwing out accusations"

http://www.lakelandmirror.com/media/paper471/news/2004/09/23/Opinions/Bush-Att acks.Kerrys.Vietnam.Record-729674.shtml
 
2005-06-22 11:55:37 AM  
D_The_Duck

[Bush] has an opinion on how that freedom [Gay Marriage] should be regulated. I don't agree, but if the 2/3 of the country does, it will be law.


Polls say that's not going to happen. But I'd like to point out that the Constitution is all about freedom. All the article are about what people CAN do in this country. Thie would be the only article to spell out something people CANNOT do.


Saying they aren't inherently endowed with that right.

History has heard THAT before.
 
2005-06-22 11:55:53 AM  
Hang On Voltaire:

The only time I see Clinton mentioned in this thread is from you guys. So why are you changing the discussion?

Right, it's the Liberals who scream "Clinton" and "Kerry" whenever the CIC is taking heat. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Snarfangel:

scraping-fetus-off-the-wheel
Anybody gonna credit Clinton for normalizing relations with Vietnam?

"Normalizing" typically involves old guys in suits rather than underaged girls in lingerie, though "Me love you long time" is probably a good first step in improving relations.


Direct from a comment about foreign policy with regards the nation at the center of the story to "Blow Job"! And it only took "you guys" eleven posts to get there. Brilliant.
 
2005-06-22 11:56:02 AM  
Hang On Voltaire

Got a quote from someone in the administration attacking Kerry's or McCain's service?

Don't need to do it yourself when you've got others to carry the water for you.

Rove's been following that rule for decades...
 
2005-06-22 11:56:09 AM  
Doesn't the Constitution trump state rights?
No flame, Kev, but no. The way it's SUPPOSED to work is the fed has their areas and everything else is the states. But throw in a little Fed Pre-emption Doctrine and the whole thing gets foggy. Toss in a little 60's-style active-SC and the "Commerce Clause" and it gets real messy.
 
2005-06-22 11:56:30 AM  
Well, things like Social Security, for example.

How is saving SS pushing it back?

Or amending the Constitution to deprive people of some freedom!

What are you talking about here?

Or cutting in social programs that have helped those in need...

Which programs?

Or by cutting stem cell research...

Bush is the first President to fund stem cell research, so this just makes no sense at all.

So, yeah, those kinds of things.

I didn't see much of anything. You'll need to explain further.
 
2005-06-22 11:57:43 AM  
Hang On Voltaire:

Yeah that Republican smear campaign really did a great job when they forced Biden to plagiarize

And worse when the Dems forced all that coke up Dubya's nose.
 
2005-06-22 11:58:02 AM  
BTW, when did the Right start openingly bashing decorated veterans while embracing cowards?

Has it always been this way and I just haven't noticed?


No, they bashed Clinton for dodging the draft. The right can do a 180 so fast it's almost impressive.
 
2005-06-22 11:58:06 AM  
Jesus loves me
This I know
Cus George Bush
has told me so
He also told me
Jesus asks
each of us
To kiss Bush ass
But I wonder
yes I do
If all this
is really true
I remember
once I read
You only see jesus
When your dead
So if George
Is talking to God
I find that
just a tad odd
That must mean
That George is dead
Maybe he has Schiavo's brain
In his head
If this is
in fact the truth
can we pull his feeding tube?
 
2005-06-22 11:58:28 AM  
Anyway, I really admired the way President Bush's campaign team turned legitmate medal earning soldiers into un-patriotic traitors. And a lot of stupid people bought it and are still buying it.
 
2005-06-22 11:58:45 AM  
2wolves:

...markets... "They're all free. Sorry you missed it."

So I'm free to create a monopoly?

You're free to create a product or service people want at a price that they can afford. If you happen to manage that, then you will have monopoly status in your industry. You can't have 100% monopoly, but you have to command a huge majority of the market before the antitrust proceedings begin.

Or bust price supports on milk?
No, but you can find a way to produce milk more cheaply and undermine the price supports.

Or use P.O. Boxes?
Again, you can compete with the federal government by starting your own. Hello, Mailboxes Etc.

You need to go back to managed capitalism 101 for a refresher.
Been there, done that. Business graduate and undergrad. If you are unaware of or are scared of your options, then you are free to shut up and be spoon fed what everybody else says you can have.
 
2005-06-22 11:59:17 AM  
[image from hypercreations.com too old to be available]
"Hey don't question my record, you liberal biatches!"
 
2005-06-22 11:59:39 AM  
Hang On Voltaire

Got a quote from someone in the administration attacking Kerry's or McCain's service?


Oh, you know that they're smarter than that. They don't say things like that themselves, they leave it up to the "Swift Boats Veterans For Truth".
 
2005-06-22 11:59:41 AM  
all of you
"Stop! Stop, stop, stop hurting America."
-- Jon Stewart
 
2005-06-22 12:00:06 PM  
BigTuna:

So what you're saying is that the $321,566,323,971.29 that the fed gov't paid in interest in 2004 actually didn't hurt us at all?


No, what I am saying is that the deficit, the admitted monstrosity that it is, is NOT a major hindrance to economic growth today. You're thinking in terms of your own citibank card. Global politics dictate economics. Not your $20 late fee.
 
2005-06-22 12:00:49 PM  
2wolves

"http://www.lakelandmirror.com/media/paper471/news/2004/09/23/Opinions/Bush-At t acks.Kerrys.Vietnam.Record-729674.shtml"

Your link is dead but I was able to search and find the article. Amazing that there is not one quote in there where Bush attacked Kerrys Vietnam record. Just amazing.
 
2005-06-22 12:01:00 PM  
Proof that that the Right is Evil:

Ann Coulter wants to blow every conservative from DC to Honolulu.
 
2005-06-22 12:02:10 PM  
Colgate

liberal

Please stop bastardizing this word. It's not a bad word or an insult. If you want to call anyone a pussy, that's up to you, but leave the word liberal out of it.

I'm a liberal and I'm DAMN proud of it

/small l liberal
//big L liberal (I'm Canadian)
 
2005-06-22 12:03:06 PM  
A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence

Not relevant? If it wasn't relevant, you wouldn't be trying to label me as a ditto head.


It's not relevant because you're farking up the analogy as savage henry and Clavis have tried to explain to you. It doesn't have anything to do with politics. Not everything does, you know? Cripes, I even gave you a wikipedia cite explaining the reference to Aesop. But don't get me wrong, I encourage you to keep acting like a pig-headed idiot. It's quite entertaining.
 
2005-06-22 12:03:20 PM  
Vet_Curm

"Don't need to do it yourself when you've got others to carry the water for you.
Rove's been following that rule for decades..."

kevin5lynn

"Oh, you know that they're smarter than that. They don't say things like that themselves, they leave it up to the "Swift Boats Veterans For Truth".


But but but that guy said that the administration was attacking their records. Now he couldn't be lying to me could he?
 
2005-06-22 12:03:37 PM  
danlpoon

The way it's SUPPOSED to work is the fed has their areas and everything else is the states.


Right. But who's the top authority on any issue? The SCOTUS, right? And it's their jobs to interpret rulings according to the constitution, right?
 
2005-06-22 12:04:04 PM  
whorehopper

"Right, it's the Liberals who scream "Clinton" and "Kerry" whenever the CIC is taking heat. Thanks for clearing that up for me."

Search the thread asshole and tell me who mentioned Clinton
 
2005-06-22 12:05:56 PM  
Good headline.
 
2005-06-22 12:05:57 PM  
kevin5lynn

"Right. But who's the top authority on any issue? The SCOTUS, right? And it's their jobs to interpret rulings according to the constitution, right?"

Congress has the most power of any branch. They can rewrite or amend the Constitution (or at least they play the biggest part) the can impeach SCOTUS Justices, they control the purse strings as well.
 
2005-06-22 12:06:14 PM  
Just a quick remark (I have so many) but when is the last time "Vietnam" was mentioned in this thread? I love me the threadjack.

Continue the war of words.

/Smiles and claps like a downs kid
//Puts tin hat back on... Just in case.
/// Is that Jesus at the door? Tell him I'm not dressed yet.
 
2005-06-22 12:06:26 PM  
mindbuzz:

Anyway, I really admired the way President Bush's campaign team turned legitmate medal earning soldiers into un-patriotic traitors. And a lot of stupid people bought it and are still buying it.


But you see, that's all they have, is the ability to ratfark the democratic process and spin lies. Everything else they have touched has turned into a pile of shiat - the proof is in the pudding, not on the front of the box.
 
2005-06-22 12:06:33 PM  
Hang On Voltaire

But but but that guy said that the administration was attacking their records.

(Now where's that cartoon with the puppet labeled "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" on Bush's hand?)
 
2005-06-22 12:07:12 PM  
A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence

How is saving SS pushing it back?


You have to believe it needs saving first, which I don't.

What are you talking about here?

Gay Marriage...

Which programs?

These: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7013465/

Bush is the first President to fund stem cell research, so this just makes no sense at all.

Right, right.... I meant: impose limitations on it.

So, yeah, those kinds of things.

I didn't see much of anything. You'll need to explain further.
 
2005-06-22 12:07:33 PM  
Hang On Voltaire

I think it's time to burp you. You're getting fussy. And you soiled your diapers.
 
2005-06-22 12:08:03 PM  
Hang On Voltaire

2005-06-22 10:32:16 AM Clavis


Ask John McCain and Max Cleland how much respect the Bush campaign machine has for veterans

2005-06-22 11:35:15 AM milk_plus

I guess it's not such a bad thing that Pat Tillman died after all. I'd hate to think he'd have to be attacked for his service like John Kerry and John McCain have.

Where did anyone say that Bush himself attacked anyone's military record?
 
2005-06-22 12:08:19 PM  
2005-06-22 11:51:53 AM smeegle

Pft. Then I am outta here. What good is a fark political thread without at least one asshole monkey flinging around poo?!
 
2005-06-22 12:09:11 PM  
F42:

Only fools never change their minds.
And Bush flip-flops on the "why" of Iraq about once a month, btw, why don't you call him names?


Unless you can "Dan Rather" the mp3 files I have of kerry saying one thing and then saying the exact opposite, I stand by my position. If you have voluntary deafness or suffer from idiocy, it would be only PC for me to say "aww poor baby."

The FACT is that Kerry is a lying, finger licking weathervane. THAT is a fact.

And by the way I do call Bush names sometimes. I do NOT agree with his position on stem cell research or abortion.
 
2005-06-22 12:10:03 PM  
bakatare:

No, what I am saying is that the deficit, the admitted monstrosity that it is, is NOT a major hindrance to economic growth today. You're thinking in terms of your own citibank card. Global politics dictate economics.

You're damned right I'm thinking in terms of my own citibank card because the alternative line of thinking is what got us here today. That's over $300B that could be invested in interest-bearing accounts, invested in education improvements to give us a fighting chance against the likes of India and China, etc.

Growing the size of the economic pie is important, but intelligently utilizing the existing pie is important too. Relying solely on economic growth to counter enormous debt payments is inviting disaster.
 
2005-06-22 12:11:05 PM  
Hang On Voltaire
Congress has the most power of any branch.

That's the way it plays in the Constitution.

I don't think you are giving sufficient consideration to executive orders over the last 50 or so years. That has worked to change the dynamic from what the founding fathers envisioned, I think.

Also, remember that changing the Constitution still requires a 3/4 ratification.
 
2005-06-22 12:11:29 PM  
BTW, Bush isn't the person who chose to fund stem cell research, Clinton did that.

It just so happened that by the time Clintons activity on Stem Cell research finally came to the floor, Bush had ascended to the throne and trimmed it back to include only EXISTING stem cells and barred the harvesting of new stem cells, essentially retarding any real progress. The time it takes to get existing stem cells to regenerate new and viable ones is not so long but the amounts generated are small and more valuable than diamonds.

No, Bush didn't kill stem cell research but he made the noose around its neck tight enough that it is barely breathing in the United States. Look to Europe for any7 significant progress in stem cell research.
 
2005-06-22 12:12:01 PM  
Hang On Voltaire

Congress has the most power of any branch. They can rewrite or amend the Constitution


Right. But after it is written, it's the SCOTUS who interprets it.

I don't Congress could make a law that goes against the constitution (in fact, I think plenty have been revoked).
 
2005-06-22 12:12:06 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: Search the thread asshole and tell me who mentioned Clinton


Whoa there party boy, no need to show your ass. I'll help you through this, just try to pay attention.

Clinton was mentioned as the President who normalized relations with Vietnam.

The headline is about a President going to Vietnam.

Then one of "you guys" (to borrow your term) screams some "Clinton got a BJ!" nonsense. It's almost a reflex, it seems.

You see, Presidents and Vietnam are on-topic, "Clinton had sex" is not. It's called deflection.
 
2005-06-22 12:13:13 PM  
Vet_Curm

"(Now where's that cartoon with the puppet labeled "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" on Bush's hand?)"

I was responding to what the other guy posted. I can draw a cartoon real quick of Castro on Howard Deans hand. Does that equal proof? The SBV were independent vets who were pissed off at Kerry.
 
2005-06-22 12:14:31 PM  
[image from whoretoculture.com too old to be available]
 
2005-06-22 12:15:11 PM  
bakatare-

I leave it to the Cato Institute and other *real* conservatives to educate you on the perils of huge deficit spending--suffice to say that they are a little more concerned about it than you are. As for Bush's inability to keep government spending down, a point you've unsuprisingly neglected to address, I look forward to hearing how borrowing huge sums of money, reducing sources of government revenue and increasing government spending work out for you. And yes, I'm for restoring taxes that never should have been irresponsibly eliminated in the first place, becuase someone's going to have to do it eventually outside of the lala land you seem to be living in.
 
2005-06-22 12:17:23 PM  
SBV were not "Independant" vets pissed at Kerry. They were hard-core republicans with apporpraite experience in Vietnam who got some money from some "Independant" conservative folks to use towards poilitical ads motivated towards an Agenda of Bush For President. If there wer any other motivation, where were they everytime Kerry ran for Senate? Only when the GOP Spin Machine needed the fire power did these guys pop up. They had been slient for more than 20 years as Kerry has climbed the political ladder.
 
2005-06-22 12:17:54 PM  
i could use some help here

i don't understand the backlash against political leaders that are known as "opinion poll politicians", that's fine by me, elected officials are supposed to represent the will of the people, and opinion polls are the best way of figuring that out. i want a president who will listen to the people, not one who will take an election victory as a blank check to do whatever he wants regardless of how the country feels. i am opposed to candidates that run on the will of the people, but once they're in office ignore the people as unnecessary to the process.
 
2005-06-22 12:18:00 PM  
Vet_Curm

"That's the way it plays in the Constitution.
I don't think you are giving sufficient consideration to executive orders over the last 50 or so years. That has worked to change the dynamic from what the founding fathers envisioned, I think.
Also, remember that changing the Constitution still requires a 3/4 ratification."

Oh I know that what is in the Constitution may not be the way things really work. But Executive Orders can be/and are overturned laws are much harder to overturn. I am with you on the Constitutionality of them. But I believe that the power to impeach and the control of the purse strings gives Congress the most power.
 
2005-06-22 12:18:40 PM  
Hang On Voltaire
You are absolutely right. They only invited people to their events to disparage the service of McCain and Kerry. There wasn't a man there that would do it themselves. As for McCain they invited Richard Quinn to attack his service. They hid behind those people so they could claim innocence. McCain chided Bush for those tactics and expressed disgust toward him. They also did push polling in S. Carolina that implied that McCain had a black child out of wedlock to stir up the racists against him.

None of that is going to change your mind so just dismiss it and have a nice day.
 
2005-06-22 12:18:44 PM  
"But momm-o, it should be safe by now."
 
2005-06-22 12:18:55 PM  
Holy shiat, the left wing kooks are out today. John Stewart quotes, Bush is evil, fascist uprisings, dirty bombs, etc etc etc. It goes on and on and on and on.

Don't you fuking people have jobs? Seriously.

Royal ass whippings in the house and senate, yet you guys can still be counted on to trot out your Moore-esque crapola. Insular little college campuses and news media boardrooms are the only place you find one another these days. Don't you ever give up? Or at least get a freakin' hobby???
 
2005-06-22 12:19:17 PM  
man, these political flamewars never get old...
even when it's the same wackadoodles saying the same stuff

/head asplode
/just sayin'
 
2005-06-22 12:19:18 PM  
And bakatare, give the "kerry is flip-flopper" meme a rest. Until you dispute the multitude of examples given to you here showing that Bush had changed his positions for political expediency, then shut up with it already. It makes you look even stupider than your brainless regurgitation of Republican talking points already do.
 
2005-06-22 12:19:50 PM  
You have to believe it needs saving first, which I don't.

So in 30 years, SS will still be fine?

Gay Marriage...

Changing the meaning of a word does not give one freedom. Bush is not opposed to civil unions, but he is opposed to changing what words mean.

These: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7013465/

I didn't see anything that didn't deserve a 1% cut on that list. Please explain how you see it differently?

Right, right.... I meant: impose limitations on it.

It's still progress forward when compared to past Presidents.
 
2005-06-22 12:19:58 PM  
PresidentPutz: SBV were not "Independant" vets pissed at Kerry.


Damn straight.

As the Washington Post reports, Rear Admiral William L. Schachte Jr., the man who claims Kerry was not under fire when he received his first Purple Heart, is a top lobbyist for a defense contractor that recently won a $40 million grant from the Bush administration. According to a March 18 legal filing by Schachte's firm, Blank Rome, Schachte was one of the lobbyists working for FastShip's effort to secure federal contracts. On Feb. 2, FastShip announced the Bush administration had awarded it $40 million.

Schachte has other connections to the Bush administration. The Washington Post notes David Norcross, Schachte's colleague in the Washington office of Blank Rome, is chairman of this week's Republican convention in New York. Records show that Schachte gave $1,000 to Bush's 2000 and 2004 campaigns. Additionally, Schachte helped organize veterans' efforts against Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and for Bush in the 2000 South Carolina primary.

This is not the first member of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth who has been revealed to be connected to the President. The Bush-Cheney campaign's top outside lawyer was forced to resign after he admitted providing legal services to the veterans group. The Bush-Cheney campaign's veterans adviser was also featured in one of the smear ads.
 
2005-06-22 12:20:51 PM  
BigTuna:

That's over $300B that could be invested in interest-bearing accounts, invested in education improvements to give us a fighting chance against the likes of India and China, etc.

You're still thinking in terms of your little bitty slice. When it comes to global debt, all debts are by mutual agreement. The US could default on all loans simply by saying so, and not have to repay. Why? Because all wealth is measured ultimately in terms of the things humans desire. Even the gold standard is legislated. Investors buy gold thinking that it is the end-all be-all of material wealth. Hah. Spain switched to a silver standard when they found out about the gold rush in California last century. All things are relative. We could be in a Soylent Green economy in 50 years. The fact is you just don't know. It's all based on faith. And THAT is what really frightens people.
 
2005-06-22 12:21:27 PM  
crawlspace

Holy shiat, the left wing kooks are out today. (...)
Don't you ever give up? Or at least get a freakin' hobby???


There isn't a single argument in your long post.

whine whine whine.
 
2005-06-22 12:21:37 PM  
whorehopper

"Whoa there party boy, no need to show your ass. I'll help you through this, just try to pay attention.
Clinton was mentioned as the President who normalized relations with Vietnam.
The headline is about a President going to Vietnam.
Then one of "you guys" (to borrow your term) screams some "Clinton got a BJ!" nonsense. It's almost a reflex, it seems.
You see, Presidents and Vietnam are on-topic, "Clinton had sex" is not. It's called deflection."

OK cougar let me walk YOU through this. The Boobies was the usual cute little biatch about how we (my side) always bring Clinton in to these threads. I correctly pointed out to this non-comprehending ass that no conservative had even mentioned Clinton's name. Now you respond and say the same thing. So AGAIN I will ask, where in this thread did a Conservative respond with "but Clinton got a BJ". We are staying on topic.
 
2005-06-22 12:21:44 PM  
I've got a question for AMBOFC, Hang On Voltaire, Colgate, etc.

Not a thread goes by where you don't mention the fact that the tenor of headlines such as this, or the Left calling Bush voters "stupid", or Democrats being elitist, is causing the downfall of the Democratic Party and liberalism in general.

If that's the case, why do you always get so upset in these threads? If anything, shouldn't you be encouraging this kind of sentiment? Or is it that you don't actually believe all this "irrelevant Left" talk?
 
2005-06-22 12:21:53 PM  
I wonder if bush will have some snake wine while there, and some snake coke
 
2005-06-22 12:22:30 PM  
Jeez, and you guys biatch when we drag up Clinton?
 
2005-06-22 12:23:48 PM  
Boo-yah, submitter. Nice farkin headline.

And since it must be said

FLAME ON!
[image from amazingcomics.it too old to be available]
 
2005-06-22 12:23:56 PM  
crawlspace-

Hey, I hear their looking for soldiers for your war for democracy in Iraq. Why are you wasting time posting on fark, o great patriot? Are you too much of a pussy to fight?
 
2005-06-22 12:24:23 PM  
http://www.google.com/search?biw=800&hl=en&q=bush+administration+attacks+kerry +war+record&btnG=Google+Search

Hang on Voltaire

Just like the McCain's "half breed" daughter rumor... do you think the name players are going to go on record or just use shills? The fish stinks from the head.
 
2005-06-22 12:26:50 PM  
jeffale: And bakatare, give the "kerry is flip-flopper" meme a rest.


I only brought it up as a result of another mindless meme. If you consider it meritless, then pay it no mind. It's still funny though.
 
2005-06-22 12:26:56 PM  
there's something about reading a fark flamewar thread and listening to Johann Strauss Jr. that makes politics so unbelievably stupid (like Charlie Chaplin, The Three Stooges, and I Love Lucy all rolled into one gigantic burrito that gets splat on a wall by a giant hammer while spinning in circles)

i recommend it, just makes you want to dance to the tune of political suicide for the great 21st century american utopia
 
2005-06-22 12:27:42 PM  
Hang On Voltaire
The SBV were independent vets who were pissed off at Kerry.

"independent"???

What, are you doing stand up comedy now?

Do I have to post that picture of John O'Neil in the Oval Office with Nixon and Chuck Colson again?


(Or the rest of the people involved who had tie-ins?)
 
2005-06-22 12:28:32 PM  
I prefer, when someone says something stupid, to point out that they're full of crap. As for paying--or having--no mind, I'll leave that to you.
 
2005-06-22 12:28:46 PM  
He's just going on this trip so he can later tell people that he went to VietNam
 
2005-06-22 12:28:55 PM  
A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence

So in 30 years, SS will still be fine?


Yup.

Changing the meaning of a word does not give one freedom. Bush is not opposed to civil unions, but he is opposed to changing what words mean.

First, marriage has been defined many times. Why, only 40 odd years ago, it meant "People of the same race".

Also, gay marriage is a symbol of acceptance. What Bush wants to do is signify his intolerance into the very core fo the Constitution.

I didn't see anything that didn't deserve a 1% cut on that list. Please explain how you see it differently?

I guess it's a matter of values. I value things like education and healthcare. Maybe you value other things. Let's leave it at that for now...

It's still progress forward when compared to past Presidents.

AH! Only because it didn't exist before! Another farker posted an explanation on this further up, I hope you saw it. He explained it very well.
 
2005-06-22 12:32:28 PM  
jeffale:

And yes, I'm for restoring taxes that never should have been irresponsibly eliminated in the first place, becuase someone's going to have to do it eventually outside of the lala land you seem to be living in.


In this we agree. Some people argue that government worked just fine 50 years ago with one twentieth the tax revenue we have today. I imagine the same thing will be said 50 years from now. Our form of government is still an experiment. We look at other models that didn't survive and try to improve. It's all we can do until someone invents a time machine or a perpetual motion machine.

In the mean time we flamewar and quote people we've never met.
 
2005-06-22 12:34:07 PM  
hey crawlspace-

Where are you brave patriot? Are you on your way to the recruitment center or have you retreated into that eponymous location in your asshole?
 
2005-06-22 12:35:33 PM  
suebhoney: So you whine when the "left" does it, but you defend when the "right" does it?

CLINTON GOT A BLOW-JOB!
 
2005-06-22 12:37:45 PM  
As leader of the Republican Party Bush might be held responsible for this http://www.factcheck.org/article231.html

if he took responsibility for anything.
 
2005-06-22 12:38:24 PM  
jeffale:

I prefer, when someone says something stupid, to point out that they're full of crap. As for paying--or having--no mind, I'll leave that to you.


I point to the sign on the wall: Rule number 14a clearly states that "When berating, quoting, or simply responding to another comment, be sure to include the original comment, with poster's name inclusive, so that all will know who you are addressing, and who the ensuing insults are intended for."
 
2005-06-22 12:39:07 PM  
[image from ethicalatheist.com too old to be available]

Semper Fidelis
 
2005-06-22 12:40:01 PM  
Wait, lets be factual people.
Clinton did not get a "Blow Job", he received sexual stimulation and gratification through hand, tongue and oral cavity manipulation of his reproductive organ.
A "Blow Job" implies that he was the recepient of a hair styling.
Just want to be sure we are clear on that.

Thanks for your attention.
 
2005-06-22 12:40:47 PM  
A 53-year-old Arizona man died this month due to the stress of "the stolen election of 2000 and living with right-winged Americans," according to a death notice published by his family.

Miserable, boring, leftist windbag. He would have loved this liberal echo chamber.

jeffale
Hey, I hear their looking for soldiers for your war for democracy in Iraq. Why are you wasting time posting on fark, o great patriot? Are you too much of a pussy to fight?


Nah, but I am too old. I'll fight you though. ;-(

kevin5lynn
There isn't a single argument in your long post.


You're right. No argument here. The entire country agrees, you and your leftist compatriots are getting really boring and tired. Along with the entire democratic party.
Please burn out / fade away.
 
2005-06-22 12:42:29 PM  
crawlspace:

you and your leftist compatriots are getting really boring and tired. Along with the entire democratic party.
Please burn out / fade away.


/felt it should be said twice.
 
2005-06-22 12:46:04 PM  
Tired old "Right-Wing", "Leftist" name throwing.
Sheesh... What's next?
"Your a poopy-head"
"No, your a doody-face"

Rightwing, used to mean "Dictatorial ideology where the ruling class decided what is best for the people" and Leftist used to mean "Ideological equality or socialist change where the people decided what is best for the people" and now they are just similarly dirty words bandied about by half-witted politico-socio-windbags and whiners on either side.
 
2005-06-22 12:47:51 PM  
BlindRaise:

I'm so glad I voted against Bush, we are approaching "I told you so" territory and I plan to say it as much as possible.

Well said indeed!
 
2005-06-22 12:48:03 PM  
Clavis
A small correction:


What a travesty of political rhetoric. For the last 6-7 years, Bush's spin machine has taken aim at legitimate veterans, and made it funny to crap on their war records, while casting a puppet chickenhawk
who ran like a scared little girl on 9/11 as a "strong leader".
 
2005-06-22 12:49:32 PM  
The entire country agrees, you and your leftist compatriots are getting really boring and tired. Along with the entire democratic party.

Which would explain why more and more Republican congressmen are distancing themselves from the right every day.
 
2005-06-22 12:50:07 PM  
Aw, crawlspace, I'm sure there are lots of ways you could help--picking up the candy and flowers (and bodyparts) that litter the Iraqi streets, forming prisoners into nice tidy pyramids, peeing on some Korans, or maybe giving reacharounds to Jeff Gannon outside the White House press room?

Actually, on the war, only 39% of the country currently agrees with *you* (and your prez's popularity is not far above that), so if you let poll numbers define the scope of your morality or intelligence, then come over to the "popular side"--this time it has the added benefit of being right!
 
2005-06-22 12:50:13 PM  
EH, SUBMITTER JUST WATCHES LENO!!!!

NO POINTS FOR YOU, EVEN IF YOU TWEAKED IT A TAD!!!!

SUBMITTER IS A FRAUD!!!
 
2005-06-22 12:51:48 PM  
Bush - what a joke.
 
2005-06-22 12:51:53 PM  
crawlspace
Nah, but I am too old.

And of course, you were always too old, weren't you?

Since you have a number of right wing echo chambers you could spend time on, why don't you avail yourself?

(since you are so bored here, and all...)
 
2005-06-22 12:52:52 PM  
felt it should be said twice.

Is that your final solution answer?

I understand that you'd feel that needed repeating but what would a patriot feel?

Pity and disdain for you and your ilk.
 
2005-06-22 12:54:58 PM  
Without wishing to threadjack here, how's that Iraq war I opposed going? Cause I'm looking for a place to honeymoon...I hear Baghdad's nice in the fall.
 
2005-06-22 12:55:40 PM  
BlindRaise

I'm so glad I voted against Bush, we are approaching "I told you so" territory and I plan to say it as much as possible.


jgm1976

"So you are openly rooting for the United States to fail?"

_____


YOU failed America by not educating yourself before you voted.

PS I told you so.
 
2005-06-22 12:56:02 PM  
President Bush said Tuesday that he will visit Vietnam in 2006 to attend the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit.

And we have a thread at "lots" for this?

The crazed Bush-bashers really need to find another hobby.
 
2005-06-22 12:56:26 PM  
[image from wackynutz.com too old to be available]

Please get over 2000 already.

/not a neocon
//there are more than 2 choices
///Voted for Badnarik
 
2005-06-22 12:56:35 PM  
crawlspace: Nah, but I am too old. I'll fight you though. ;-(

Your penis must be extraordinarily large in order to threaten somebody over teh internets.
 
2005-06-22 12:56:41 PM  
Immaculate Conception-

Why don't we start now?

There are not enough troops to occupy Iraq effectively:
We told you so.

Bush's management of the economy is irresponsible:
We told you so.

The War in Iraq will not "pay for itself"
We told you so.

The war in Iraq will destabilize a delicate region.
Juries still out, but, judging from the half-assed way the administration's handled everything else, expect a bail-out, declaration of victory, and a civil war to follow. We will have told you so.

I could go on, but it's too depressing.
 
2005-06-22 12:56:45 PM  
Is it wrong of me to insist that William Henry Harrison was a better president than Bush?
 
2005-06-22 12:59:26 PM  
Having read most of the posts, I have noticed that President Bush's plan to visit Vietnam in order to normalize relations with that country has not been criticized. It appears, that almost of all us recognize it as a good thing. The headline just made it too easy to point out the personal hypocrisy of President Bush.
 
2005-06-22 01:01:57 PM  
crawlspace

I have never belonged to a political party but you make a strong case for not being a republican.
 
2005-06-22 01:02:50 PM  
Awesome headline submitter. Hilarious!

-IR
 
2005-06-22 01:03:47 PM  
YOU failed America by not educating yourself before you voted.

PS I told you so.


Anyone that still supports this Asswipe needs to be pointed out and ridiculed.
Not just on Fark but the people who have "W the president," bumper stickers need to be pointed at and embarrassed.
Dont flip them off, just point and say "it's your fault".

/you and Diebold.
 
2005-06-22 01:05:24 PM  
Ah, enter Haizum to biatch about a thread being longer than he thinks it should be.
 
2005-06-22 01:05:28 PM  
[image from douglas.min.net too old to be available]
 
2005-06-22 01:08:38 PM  
The trip should give him a great opportunity to brush up on history. In other words--what not to do. Oops, too late.
 
2005-06-22 01:09:03 PM  
A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence

It's still progress forward when compared to past Presidents.

Eh? Past presidents? We are talking about research that has only been happening for a short period of time.

That's like saying "Reagan was the first president to support AIDS research"

its true he's the first to fund actual stem line research, but only because the science has come to maturity during Bush's tenure. President Clinton's policy would have paid for research using stem cell lines created at any time.
 
2005-06-22 01:09:16 PM  
drwiii:
It's easy to say that isn't it. Especially with no paper trail to validate the odd Ohio ballot.

Bush wins. America loses.
 
2005-06-22 01:09:24 PM  
fook bieng a libbie, man this shat is about the american folks gettin ass raped. Has anyone seen the PBS special about outsourcing? It was a real eye opener (halliburton and rbk) halliburtons contract is 15 BILLION$$$$$$$$ Did you know that our "brave soldiers that are in such danger".They eat 3 catered meals a day with a choice of pizza slut/ subway/ or burger king! They also have a choice of 3 different ice cream flavors, and seven different pastry's. They eat thier meals in a air conditioned complex while watching ESPN on 50 inch plasma's! Halibuton has almost 2 billion in un-accounted over billing fees, yet they refuse to step up for responsibility in the deaths of the contactors that were burned, dragged behind cars, then hung on a bridge "it is not under thier descript obligation" It cost's $20 for every meal a soldier eats (no MRE here) and that is 32 times a day for roughly 80,000 soldiers and 40,000 private contractors all of which YOU ARE PAYING FOR!!! This is not a bi-partisan issue this is a national agenda, we are getting fisted and you guys are bickering about whether youre a elephant or a donkey, or red or blue! all the while we are all getting played in the biggest corperate mindfark of all time! The sick part is no one is going to have to answer for this. P.S. halliburton was in Iraq setting up 6 MONTHS PRIOR TO ANY ANNOUNCED ENGAGEMENT, now how do you justify youre self my conservative rebulican friends????
 
2005-06-22 01:09:48 PM  
Is that your final solution answer?

You use that in every thread. It's getting old.
 
2005-06-22 01:09:50 PM  
I bet "The Runaway Bride" has a "W" sticker on her car. Don't really know. Just betting.
 
2005-06-22 01:10:36 PM  
Hang On Voltaire:

Got a quote from someone in the administration attacking Kerry's or McCain's service? I am assuming that you have some shame and would not just be throwing out accusations

Bush Team Planned Negative Strategy for South Carolina; Bush: "Y'all Have Done this Before. Let's Do it Again." After losing the New Hampshire primary to Sen. John McCain (R-A), Bush and his advisors convened a strategy meeting to plan the South Carolina campaign and settled on a negative theme. According to a Newsweek account of the meeting, "Bush went for a jog and, still dressed in running shorts, stuck his head into the meeting. 'We getting everything straightened out?' he asked with a grin. 'Y'all have done this before. Let's do it again.' The room filled with knowing laughs. Bush knew the drill: in 1988, after his father had lost in Iowa and barely survived in New Hampshire, his campaign had been rescued by going negative and driving hard right in South Carolina." [Newsweek, 11/20/00]

Bush Adviser Outlined Groups Needed To Coordinate Negative Campaign; Said of McCain: "We've got To Take This Guy Out." At the meeting Bush adviser Warren "Tompkins stood up in the motel room and ticked off the groups they needed to win: the Christian Coalition, the right-to-lifers, the evangelicals, the Southern Baptist Convention. 'We aren't going to pussyfoot around,' said Tompkins in his whispery voice. 'We play it different down here. We're not dainty, if you get my drift. We're used to playing rough.' McCain was coming up in the polls. 'We've got to take this guy out,' said Tompkins." [Newsweek, 11/20/00]

Bush Caught Bragging About Negative Attacks Against McCain; Bush: "I'm not going to do it on TV." During a campaign event in South Carolina, Bush was caught on overhead boom microphones discussing negative attacks on McCain with GOP State Senator Mike Fairs. Fairs said Bush "hasn't even hit [McCain's] soft spots." Bush replied, "I'm going to ... But I'm not going to do it on TV." [Associated Press, 2/12/03]
Examples of Negative Attacks on McCain in South Carolina:

Push Polls in South Carolina Called McCain "A Cheat, A Liar and A Fraud;" McCain Called on Bush to Stop Attacks. During a McCain town hall event in Spartanburg, South Carolina an attendee said her 14 year-old son received a push poll telephone call attacking McCain as "a cheat, a liar and a fraud." McCain denounced the attack and said, "I can't believe that someone from a good family such as George Bush wouldn't stop this." [Associated Press, 2/10/00]

Bush Veteran's Event Targeted McCain; Surrogate Said "He Came Home. He Forgot Us." At a Bush campaign rally in Sumter, South Carolina, J. Thomas Burch Jr., chairman of the National Vietnam and Gulf War Veterans Coalition attacked McCain's record on veteran's issues. "He has always opposed all the legislation, be it Agent Orange or Gulf war health care, or frankly, the POW-MIA issue -- he was the leading opponent in the Senate. He had the power to help these veterans. He came home. He forgot us," Burch said. The Washington Post reported, "Bush declined to either endorse or reject Burch's characterization of McCain's record in the House and Senate. 'You need to ask them [leaders of veterans groups]. What I stand by is that they have looked at both of us and they have chosen me to be the nominee. I'm proud of that.'" Bush responded that Burch was "entitled to his opinion." [Washington Post, 2/4/00; New York Times, 2/5/00; FOX; Special Report with Brit Hume, 2/3/00; Tapper, Salon, 2/11/00]

McCain's Personal Life Criticized by Bush Supporter in Christian Magazine Edited by Bush Adviser. During the race for the South Carolina primary, McCain was criticized in World magazine, a newsweekly for evangelical Christians. After criticizing McCain's policy proposals, the article then questioned McCain's personal life, claiming that 20 years ago, "the 43-year-old former POW quickly fell in love with the 25-year-old cheerleader. She was rich, attractive and well connected." It said that McCain won his first election "despite charges of carpetbagging and buying the election." The article went on to say that "for all his dependence on his wife's money, John McCain doesn't appear to be a particularly attentive husband," and brought up McCain's wife's past addiction to prescription drugs. The article was written by Bob Jones IV, a member of the family that founded the Christian fundamentalist Bob Jones University. World magazine's editor, Marvin Olasky, has been described as Bush's "revered intellectual guru" and as one of Bush's "closest advisers on religion." Bush has credited Olasky "with helping him craft his vision of 'compassionate conservatism.'" [New York Times, 2/16/00, Safire column, Austin American-Statesman, 2/17/00, 2/18/00; Salon, 2/25/00]

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/03/01/primaries.advance/

I found a few hundred more examples, but you get the picture.

It's widely accepted that Bush attacked McCain, why would you even question the assertion?
 
2005-06-22 01:10:58 PM  
"W for President" stickers trigger my gag reflex.
 
2005-06-22 01:12:38 PM  
c'mon farkers, face it... each and every one of us has this idealism of utopia, we all want a common peace filled with all the "candy" we can think about without repercussion... but none of us are really that prepared to do anything about it, nor do we really know how to go about reaching that unobtainable goal of supremacy, so we pick and choose and put faith into whatever ideologue we think is the most rational because rationality is consistent... then when things actually change we freak out, because we're not prepared yet for change, or to sacrifice our idealist ways...

America, the land of ideas, the land of conrolled individual civil war, where each and every person is as unique as everybody else...

who wasn't trying to avoid the Vietnam War in those days? i find this more ironic, that a draft-dodger would start another draft-dodging war... going by the ideas in those days today, i'll be like mr. George W. Bush and say "fark the Iraq war!"

seriously, some of you take yourselves way too seriously
 
2005-06-22 01:12:59 PM  
It's "W the President", and the newer ones are "W still the President".

/fyi
 
2005-06-22 01:13:34 PM  
Okay, did Bush really win or was it a matter of Kerry lost?

I, for one, am a Pro-Choice, Pro-Death Penalty, Pro-Fiscal Responsibility, Anti-War, Anti-Big Government, Pro-Social responsibility (Welfare with true reform), Pro-Gun Control (Not Gun bannination), Pro-SUV Driving American, anti-deforestation. Am I conflicted or what. Oh, an I hate Bush and Kerry both. I liked Clinton but thought Gore /Leiberman was a bad joke and doubt it will happen and don't want to see Hillary in the Whitehouse EVER again.
 
2005-06-22 01:13:49 PM  
OMG! Someone actually said Bush never attacked McCain's character?
It really is the revisionist party isn't it?
 
2005-06-22 01:14:40 PM  
I bet "The Runaway Bride" has a "W" sticker on her car. Don't really know. Just betting.

Jennifer W-ilbanks.
 
2005-06-22 01:14:47 PM  
I bet "The Runaway Bride" has a "W" sticker on her car. Don't really know. Just betting.


She's southern and say's she loves Jesus, of course she does.
 
2005-06-22 01:15:57 PM  
jeffale: I could go on, but it's too depressing.


I was saying just yesterday that it's nice for once to see that I'm no longer in the minority when it comes to public opinion. Bush's approval ratings are at an all time low, but more importantly his disapproval rating is at an all time high.

I could care less about having a polular opinion, but if the trend continues maybe we'll have a chance at making his last few years less damaging than his first few.

We've already seen this beginning with the collapse of his rediculous attempt to gus social security.

So for the first time in a LONG TIME, I'm not quite as depressed about the current outlook.
 
2005-06-22 01:17:40 PM  
gus=gut
 
2005-06-22 01:17:59 PM  
The left side compains of troll headlines when it swings the other way, but as you can see just from today, even, that rarely happens due to the political make-up of the mods.

Now it's nonstop "great healine, submitter" to the troll who wrote and/or greenlighted it.
 
2005-06-22 01:20:28 PM  
Okay, did Bush really win or was it a matter of Kerry lost?

The only way Bush could win was to use paperless voting machines with a history of working improperly, say Kerry faked his wounds, as if the Navy wouldn't be able to determine that, and make gay marriage an issue. And that merely gave him 52% of the vote.
 
2005-06-22 01:22:43 PM  
Unwonted [TotalFark]

Word.
 
2005-06-22 01:23:24 PM  
Okay, did Bush really win or was it a matter of Kerry lost?

It's kinda like saying "Did Clinton really win or did Ross Perot and Pat Buchanan run for president?"
 
2005-06-22 01:23:41 PM  
and people thought there was bad bush in vietnam back then....
 
2005-06-22 01:24:56 PM  
jeffale

Aw, crawlspace, I'm sure there are lots of ways you could help--picking up the candy and flowers (and bodyparts) that litter the Iraqi streets, forming prisoners into nice tidy pyramids, peeing on some Korans, or maybe giving reacharounds to Jeff Gannon outside the White House press room?

Actually, on the war, only 39% of the country currently agrees with *you* (and your prez's popularity is not far above that), so if you let poll numbers define the scope of your morality or intelligence, then come over to the "popular side"--this time it has the added benefit of being right!


Actually, I think I'll be way to busy to do any of the crap you so kindly suggest...what with attending Nascar races, NRA sponsored shoot-outs, abortion mill protesting, gay bashing, hippy beatings and church group meetings. I'm sure there are a few stereotypes I missed here, but I'll try to do better in the future, k?

Look, not everything fits into the tiny little mold you were so willingly fed by your civics instructor last semester. Reality will mug you one day my smarmy leftist douchebag friend.

As far as polls are concerned, the great thing about our prez is that he's not obsessed or even concerned with them, unlike your heros in modern politics. He does what he believes is right, and the vast majority of the US voting populous agrees. Simple really.

So what now? You gonna' tell me how stupid I am? How about calling me a poopy-head, or telling me I'm, "hurting America". Not surprising.

Now that I have sufficiently spanked you into submission, what's next for you? A nice protest somewhere? I hear that's a great way to pickup chicks. Well, militant hairy vegan chicks, but chicks nonetheless, eh? Hey, don't forget a bowl, some decent bud and those little juggle-stick things you're so enamored with. It just ain't the same since Jerry died, huh?
 
2005-06-22 01:26:15 PM  
For all of the questions about John Kerry's medals, that doesn't change the fact that he was actually in Vietnam (and requested to go there) and Bush was actually not.
 
2005-06-22 01:26:33 PM  
Note to self: Remember to compose an e-mail to send out when I give two turds what an administration apologist who puts party before nation thinks is old and busted.
 
2005-06-22 01:28:04 PM  
The right likes to say things like "We won, get over it," but refuses to remember the endless days of "America Held Hostage" ( i stopped looking after day 187) by Rush after the Clinton victory.
The right likes to show immature buttons protraying the Democratic Party as crying babies, but then throws a hissy fit if we use a perfectly legal, time-honored filibuster.
I've said it before, I'll prolly say it again, Republican: The Revisionist Party.
 
2005-06-22 01:29:29 PM  
Negative 3:

For all of the questions about John Kerry's medals, that doesn't change the fact that he was actually in Vietnam (and requested to go there) and Bush was actually not.

Which, of course means diddly-squat.
 
2005-06-22 01:29:49 PM  
Negative 3: (and requested to go there)

To a traditionally NON-COMBAT role... which changed after he shipped out. A new tactic being tried by the powers that be decided that normal 'patrol' boats would be used offensively. I bet that shocked the hell outta Kerry.
 
2005-06-22 01:31:09 PM  
He does what he believes is right, and the vast majority of the US voting populous agrees. Simple really.

Well, obviously, the vast majority doesn't agree if his polls show unflattering results now don't they?
Vast majority? Maybe a vast majority of Fox "journalists."
 
2005-06-22 01:31:10 PM  
crawlspace

"As far as polls are concerned, the great thing about our prez is that he's not obsessed or even concerned with them, unlike your heros in modern politics. He does what he believes is right, and the vast majority of the US voting populous agrees. Simple really."

Wrong, my friend, he DOES follow polls and operates accordingly right up until he is ELECTED/RE-ELECTED. Before his first run, he was soft/statementless on abortion but once in office, slammed Stem Cell research cus it justified (His opinion) an abortion culture.

He was adament about NOT going to war in Iraq without PROOF but once elected, his people smudged the proof and held his cabinet to the fire to make it real (Powell and the mobile death machines)...

Be careful how you defend and remember that they ALL follow and bend to the polls. It is waht they do AFTER they get elected that tell sthe true color.
 
2005-06-22 01:32:06 PM  
I felt the need to repeat the words "vast majority" just becuase it makes me laugh.
 
2005-06-22 01:32:25 PM  
crawlspace:

Now that I have sufficiently spanked you into submission, what's next for you? A nice protest somewhere? I hear that's a great way to pickup chicks. Well, militant hairy vegan chicks, but chicks nonetheless, eh? Hey, don't forget a bowl, some decent bud and those little juggle-stick things you're so enamored with. It just ain't the same since Jerry died, huh?

You really need to address your repressed self-hatred, I fear that your personal wellbeing may suffer as a result of all of this pent up aggression.

Nah, WTF do I care about your wellbeing, please go play in traffic, sheep.
 
2005-06-22 01:32:30 PM  
Ah, The FARK Republican Guard. Always good for a laugh.
 
2005-06-22 01:33:36 PM  
Blindraise

"W for President" stickers trigger my gag reflex.

Haizum

It's "W the President", and the newer ones are "W still the President".

/fyi

______

"W the President" is even worse.
 
2005-06-22 01:34:56 PM  
"W the President" is even worse.

W
even Worse
 
2005-06-22 01:34:56 PM  
Hang On Voltaire:

Got a quote from someone in the administration attacking Kerry's or McCain's service? I am assuming that you have some shame and would not just be throwing out accusations


Oh dear, you can't be serious. If you are no one should listen to anything you say ever again.
 
2005-06-22 01:36:11 PM  
crawlspace
He does what he believes is right, and the vast majority of the US voting populous agrees. Simple really.

Since this thread has already been Godwinned, let me point out that it is only necessary to change "US voting" to "German" and it describes 'Der Fatherland' in the '30s, doesn't it?

('cept for the part about "vast majority as it refers to the current situation in the United States - you'd probably be referring to it the same way if it was just one person past 50%, wouldn't you?)
 
2005-06-22 01:36:11 PM  
BTW, watch what happens in Florida. The Bush Klan is going for the tri-fecta.
I see Jeb making some politically savvy (His spin machine will point out the right ones) moves between 2006 and 2007.
Anyone want to take odds on it?
 
2005-06-22 01:36:57 PM  
Whats funny is that of the two presidential candidates, the one who volunteered for combat and went and was given medals by the Pentagon, ended up looking worse than the guy who got a cushy stateside post and didnt even show up for all of it.

Karl Rove is truly a genius.

I think schools should teach awareness of political tactics. The voters would be less likely to fall for it.
 
2005-06-22 01:37:17 PM  
crawlspace:

As far as polls are concerned, the great thing about our prez is that he's not obsessed or even concerned with them, unlike your heros in modern politics. He does what he believes is right, and the vast majority of the US voting populous agrees. Simple really.



Actually, the majority does not agree, that was the point of my post, moran.

Approve 47%
Disapprove 51%

Wow, even a larger margin than the election, interesting.

The source of these numbers.
 
2005-06-22 01:38:21 PM  
PresidentPutz:

BTW, watch what happens in Florida. The Bush Klan is going for the tri-fecta.
I see Jeb making some politically savvy (His spin machine will point out the right ones) moves between 2006 and 2007.
Anyone want to take odds on it?



What constitutes "politcally savvy"?

Kill Michael Schiavo with his bare hands? Or fix the damn voting rolls already?
 
2005-06-22 01:39:50 PM  
Oh dear, you can't be serious. If you are no one should listen to anything you say ever again

You'll notice he hasn't been seen since.
 
2005-06-22 01:42:25 PM  
BillCosby,

He still has about 9 - 14 months to press his PERSONAL agenda before he has to start catering to the polls. He is satisfying his heavily Hispanic(al) religious and senior Florida Constituancy for the time-being.

Once he states his intent to run for the national ticket, then he will start playing some "Flip-Flopper" games.

What will be funny will be to see if he gets accused of flip-flopping like Kerry did. BTW, just for the record, I didn't like Kerry either so don't go liberlizing me. Read my statement of views above.
 
2005-06-22 01:43:04 PM  
BillCosby

What constitutes "politcally savvy"?

Kill Michael Schiavo with his bare hands? Or fix the damn voting rolls already?


ewww, hell no. That would require making phsyical contact with one of the commoners on a non-election year. Besides, having him killed is a last resort - too messy and complicated. Let's just see if we can't get the state attorney general to send him up the river on trumped up charges. That should be sufficient.
 
2005-06-22 01:44:41 PM  
PresidentPutz: The Bush Klan

Interesting choice of spelling. Using the K for clan instead of a C, are you trying to be subtle and suggest Bush is in the Ku Klux Klan?
 
2005-06-22 01:46:35 PM  
Subtlety was never my forte'. I just tyoe too damned fast for my own good. K=C. No, Really. ;-)
 
2005-06-22 01:47:47 PM  
Haizum ... It's "W the President", and the newer ones are "W still the President".



Actually, it's "F the President"

[image from prodtn.cafepress.com too old to be available]


/fyi..
 
2005-06-22 01:48:59 PM  
It is just incredible that so many Bush people can't stand the fact that Kerry served in combat and Bush didn't.

It is even acknowledged by Bush himself that Kerry served in combat and he didn't, he said so in an interview. He gained some respect from me for admitting it.
 
2005-06-22 01:51:19 PM  
[image from img193.echo.cx too old to be available]
 
2005-06-22 01:51:44 PM  
I can't wait til he starts telling stories about "being in 'Nam, when the shiat really went down..." with a carefully practiced thousand-yard stare.
 
2005-06-22 01:51:49 PM  
submitter

What branch of the armed services have you served in?

Oh, that's right, you're probably a hypocrite
 
2005-06-22 01:52:50 PM  
PresidentPutz:

BTW, just for the record, I didn't like Kerry either so don't go liberlizing me. Read my statement of views above.

OK

I, for one, am a Pro-Choice, Pro-Death Penalty, Pro-Fiscal Responsibility, Anti-War, Anti-Big Government, Pro-Social responsibility (Welfare with true reform), Pro-Gun Control (Not Gun bannination), Pro-SUV Driving American, anti-deforestation. Am I conflicted or what.

Um...

Local politics vary, but generally you just defined yourself as a Democrat.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to paint you as a liberal or anything else. I was just wondering what you thought he might do.

Grandstand on some issue? Prove he is "moderate"? Prove he is "loyal"?
 
2005-06-22 01:53:10 PM  
Shingo11,

How does publically stating the OBVIOUS while your smear machine does everything within and outside of the acceptable tactics of a "Campaign" to make the one who went TO the war look like a coward and a traitor gain him some respect? If anything, it should further label him a hypocrit. He had the power to shut down his side of the smear campaign. Neither one deserved respect for how they handled themsleves and their campaign tools.
 
2005-06-22 01:53:55 PM  
Hurray!

its democrats and republicans, liberals and conservatives, working TOGETHER to make this country SUCK more than ever!
 
2005-06-22 01:57:32 PM  
He gained some respect from me for admitting it.

Not to offend, but would you give respect to him for saying, "China is communist, America has a democracy?" Because in essence, he only admitted to what everyone already knew.
 
2005-06-22 01:57:48 PM  
Hey Republicans! Time to put up or shut up. Wanna prove you support our Troops and the President? Enlist and go fight in the Farkin' War! If you're too scared to actually pick up a rifle instead of a keyboard then you're just as chickenshiat as Dubya was. Man up Nancy, or STFU.

Those of you who say that you support our Troops...have you actually committed any of your time or resources to them? I mean other than pay taxes and slap a Made-in-China yellow ribbon on the side of your ride? If the answer to that is "no," then you're just a band wagon patriot: cowards who are all mouth and no trousers.

Or you can keep on fighing the war on the internets, and from the safety of your Mama's basement "underground bunker." We'll understand. After all you must be important for.....something?

Wanna prove you support our Troops? Join up and stand a watch beside them. I'm certain that Dubya can find a spot for your a$$ in sunny Iraq.

[image from toppun.com too old to be available]

"The soldier above all others prays for peace, for it is the soldier who must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war." --Douglas MacArthur

/Ex-Marine
//20 years in service. Done my time, now you do yours
///Ex-republican mostly because Bush is a coward
////Support our Troops. Bring them home.
 
2005-06-22 01:57:53 PM  
BillCosby

"Um...
Local politics vary, but generally you just defined yourself as a Democrat."

Well, accept for the whole Anti-Big Government part, Pro SUV part and Pro-Fiscal Responsibility part, at least according to the GOP. Those are all "GOP" promoted ideals. I am basically a Democin or Republicrat. My Card says Democrat but that was only acquired recently. For 20 years it said Republican. My first vote was cast for Ron in 1984.
 
2005-06-22 01:58:30 PM  
Immaculate_Misconception

Actually, the majority does not agree, that was the point of my post, moran.

Approve 47%
Disapprove 51%

Wow, even a larger margin than the election, interesting.


Who. Fuking. Cares. What. The. Polls. Say?

/i don't
//neither does gwb...hehehe
///yuo=pwn3d
 
2005-06-22 01:59:33 PM  
FARKING AWESOME TAG LINE. WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIKE BUSH.
 
2005-06-22 02:00:30 PM  
submitter tees up the ball, and Clavis hits a hole in one.
 
2005-06-22 02:02:37 PM  
BaconatedGrapefruit

submitter

What branch of the armed services have you served in?

Oh, that's right, you're probably a hypocrite


oh fer chrissake...submitter was making a joke about bush using the nat'l guard to avoid combat service. you don't need to serve in the armed forces to make a freakin joke about a public official's dubious past.

I guess all the people who attacked Clinton for draft dodging can be split up into "vet" or "hypocrite" categories too?

Man, there are some folks on the thread who seriously need to consdier switching to decaf...
 
2005-06-22 02:07:34 PM  
MY PRESIDENT IS CHARLTON HESTON.
 
2005-06-22 02:09:02 PM  
crawlspace
/i don't
//neither does gwb...hehehe
///yuo=pwn3d


Hey, it's up to 39 now for the Army Reserve and National Guard. If you're past that (which I really doubt), they'll probably raise it up to 45 if they keep missing their recruitment goals (maybe by December).
 
2005-06-22 02:10:54 PM  
My President is Martin Sheen.
 
2005-06-22 02:11:25 PM  
MY PRESIDENT IS CHARLTON HESTON.

I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS!!!


This is Fun!
 
2005-06-22 02:12:33 PM  
J0bear said:
"Please get over 2000 already.

/not a neocon
//there are more than 2 choices
///Voted for Badnarik"

Badnarik??! Wahhahahahahahaha! That's a good one. Bad ..hahahahahahah, Badnarik, hahahahahha... sigh. Oh, what? You were serious? Oh, ahem. Yeah, well, sorry. Good luck with that whole Libertarian thing. Say hi to Nader and the Greens for me too.

/If Monica had only swallowed we would still be in our long "national nightmare" of peace and prosperity and well into the second Gore term.
//hehe Badnarik, yeesh
///voted for two guys that can pronounce nuclear
 
2005-06-22 02:14:16 PM  
My President is Martin Sheen.

Who is this Martin Sheen character? The only President I know is Jed Bartlet.
 
2005-06-22 02:14:28 PM  
crawlspace-

"I'm sure there are a few stereotypes I missed here, but I'll try to do better in the future, k? . . . Look, not everything fits into the tiny little mold you were so willingly fed by your civics instructor last semester. Reality will mug you one day my smarmy leftist douchebag friend. "

I trade in no stereotypes, I merely called you stupid, an ignoramus, a dimwit, a mite, a turd, a pussilanimous, wet fart of a person. All this is based on the facts I have before me, what you've written, and I projected none of my preconceived notions into my replies (unlike your fervid nightmare vision of unshaved, bong-smoking chicks, which could be treasure trove for psyche students). All I know about you is that you lack even the imagination to address the substantive points put before you, trafficking instead in weak, tired liberal stereotypes.

For the record: Bush cares as much about polls as any president--why would he deceive the public to get its support (by massaging all the data to support his point of view and silencing all the critics, who, I might add, have turned out to be RIGHT?) if he didn't care about his popularity? Why would he drum up the fears of the population through bogus terrorist threats if he wasn't concerned about the support of the pathetic sheep in this country who have not learned yet to be skeptical of their leadership?


"Now that I have sufficiently spanked you into submission, . . ."

Oooooh, you got me. But declaring victory doesn't mean you're victorious. Just ask your sad excuse for a president. Besides, I don't go in for spanking, crawlspace. Please keep your sexual fantasies off the message board.
 
2005-06-22 02:20:53 PM  
crawlspace: Nah, but I am too old. I'll fight you though. ;-(

Your claim of being too old to serve is inconsistent with your sophmoric, jingoistic, and illogical ramblings.
 
2005-06-22 02:21:13 PM  
I bet that the majority of crawlspace's spanking is done to pictures of President Bush wearing his flight suit. Don't know. Just betting.
 
2005-06-22 02:21:33 PM  
crawlspace:

Immaculate_Misconception

Actually, the majority does not agree, that was the point of my post, moran.

Approve 47%
Disapprove 51%

Wow, even a larger margin than the election, interesting.

Who. Fuking. Cares. What. The. Polls. Say?

/i don't
//neither does gwb...hehehe
///yuo=pwn3d



Let me get this straight idiot, you make an assertion "the majority agrees with Bush", I post a link which blows your assertion to pieces, and I'm the one who's PWNED?

Yup, you live in a fantasy world, one in which Bush is a success and facts don't trump fiction.

Well done asshat.
 
2005-06-22 02:21:57 PM  
My President is Your Mom.
 
2005-06-22 02:22:43 PM  
crawlspace

Who. Fuking. Cares. What. The. Polls. Say?

/i don't
//neither does gwb...hehehe
///yuo=pwn3d


Apparently you care what the polls say, but only when they favor something that you believe in. Case in point: You say that the "vast majority" of Americans support what GW Bush is doing. As in, you're relying on some manner of polling to come to this conclusion.

Or is it just some fond belief of yours that you're always in the majority?

The NeoCon way: If it goes with what I believe, the poll is accurate. If it goes against what I believe, it's just another poll, polls don't mean anything.

"yuo" = moran
 
2005-06-22 02:24:53 PM  
Your claim of being too old to serve is inconsistent with your sophmoric, jingoistic, and illogical ramblings.

BAH! Ageist!
Old folks can be just as goofy and irreverent as any whippersnapper dork. Probably moreso since we're long past giving a rat's arse about impressing anyone anymore. Especially some young snot.
 
2005-06-22 02:26:28 PM  
Immaculate_Misconception,

Remember, you are attempting to argue with people who voted for a man who belives that he has a direct dialogue with Jesus and that the reason he is president is because Jesus wanted it that way.

Step carefully away and do your best not to make any sudden movements. They are known to attack, unprovoked.
 
2005-06-22 02:26:47 PM  
I love reading these threads. It just reminds me how good of job W has done uniting all of us.

/flame on
 
2005-06-22 02:27:08 PM  
There's something quaint about retards
Dancing round their house of cards
Reminds me of some sheltered youths
Who'll run and hide from awful truths
Even as their card house crumbles
And downward kings and jokers tumble
Then when they're from hope bereft
They'll whine and blame it on the left.
 
2005-06-22 02:27:15 PM  
Oh, and crawlspace, I am a combat decorated Marine veteran.

But I, unlike you am, not too old to fight, I've just done my share of fighting.

I would however take you up on your challenge to fight any day of the week my friend. It is afterall neccesary for men to resort to such methods when reason and discussion fails. And seeing as you're incapable of understanding facts, and also unable to see when facts have disproven you asinine opinion, maybe all that's left is for you to just have your ass handed to you?
 
2005-06-22 02:27:47 PM  
Hey, People, it's MORON with two "o"s. Moran is the last name of the chick that played Joni on Happy Days.
 
2005-06-22 02:29:02 PM  
willywanka:

oh fer chrissake...submitter was making a joke about bush using the nat'l guard to avoid combat service. you don't need to serve in the armed forces to make a freakin joke about a public official's dubious past.


If Bush has publicly admitted he chose the National Guard specifically to avoid overseas combat, then you may have a point. As far as I know he hasn't, but that doesn't stop you from jumping to conclusions.
 
2005-06-22 02:29:17 PM  
somebody, QUICK, post that 'moran' pic for presidentputz.
 
2005-06-22 02:29:35 PM  
Ever since the whole Bush Jr. National Guard Vietnam thing started, I've wondered how many of those who's criticized him for it have also criticized Bill Clinton for his trying to avoid going to Vietnam. To not do so would be hypocritical.
 
2005-06-22 02:29:53 PM  
Should have read "But unlike you, I am not too old....."

/typing with one hand, and the help of my 4 month old son, makes for interesting results.
 
2005-06-22 02:30:28 PM  
kevin5lynn:

Bush wants to push it back, but he's hardly successfull at it. He's just a speedbump on the road to progress, is all.

what's with the ad hom. attack on speedbumps?
 
2005-06-22 02:31:14 PM  
Your claim of being too old to serve is inconsistent with your sophmoric, jingoistic, and illogical ramblings.

One thing's known with surety:
Age don't mean maturity
 
2005-06-22 02:31:16 PM  
willywanka:

I guess all the people who attacked Clinton for draft dodging can be split up into "vet" or "hypocrite" categories too?


Yes they can. I'm not as blinded toward one side as you.
 
2005-06-22 02:32:21 PM  
PresidentPutz:

Hey, People, it's MORON with two "o"s. Moran is the last name of the chick that played Joni on Happy Days.


Hey noob, "moran" is a perfectly acceptable spelling on fark.

Welcome to fark though.

Nice username!
 
2005-06-22 02:32:45 PM  
Smallberries

what's with the ad hom. attack on speedbumps?


They slow me donw man, plus, they make me SPILL MY DRINK!
 
2005-06-22 02:33:13 PM  
What is this picture of which you speak? Did I miss ANOTHER weblog, inside joke? Damn Me! Damn Me To Hell!!
 
2005-06-22 02:33:47 PM  
PresidentPutz:

Hey, People, it's MORON with two "o"s. Moran is the last name of the chick that played Joni on Happy Days.


Welcome to FARK moran.
 
2005-06-22 02:33:58 PM  
Boy crawlspace--now who is the spanker, and who the spankee?

I'd point to the plurality of comments that support the notion that you are cowardly, pea-brained sexual masochist but I know you don't pay attention to polls.

Immaculate Misconception-
My brother is a Marine and my father did three tours in Vietnam (as a volunteer) in the Navy and they have serious misgivings about how the military has been used in this adventure. It's always nice to hear that they aren't the only ones.
 
2005-06-22 02:34:58 PM  
PresidentPutz

Hey, People, it's MORON with two "o"s. Moran is the last name of the chick that played Joni on Happy Days.


I present to you the Fark "Moran" cliche's origins:
[image from funnypics.cc too old to be available]
 
2005-06-22 02:35:37 PM  
BaconatedGrapefruit
If Bush has publicly admitted he chose the National Guard specifically to avoid overseas combat, then you may have a point.

"I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better myself by learning how to fly airplanes." [George W. Bush, Jr. Houston Chronicle, 5/8/94]
 
2005-06-22 02:35:37 PM  
Immaculate_Misconception,

Hardley a Noob a I have been here for prolly 4 years under various names. Thanks for thinking of me, though.

Sometimes I miss an occasional thread or 500 whilst I am working.

PS... I kinda detest l337 crap as well. BUt hey, that's just me.
 
2005-06-22 02:35:51 PM  
Crooks and Liars attempted to place this ad in the Young Republican National Conference official program:


[image from dailykos.com too old to be available]


Their response:

We are sorry but we must regretfully reject this advertisement. We feel that the tone of the message is too negative. [image from dailykos.com too old to be available]
 
2005-06-22 02:36:34 PM  
Guido Libido:

Hey Republicans! Time to put up or shut up. Wanna prove you support our Troops and the President


That's worth repeating, the army is way behind quota.
 
2005-06-22 02:36:36 PM  
keylock71:

For some reason, that scene from Gladiator comes to mind...

"I'm here...I hope I haven't missed the battle..."




Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!! holy shiat man that busted me up.
 
2005-06-22 02:38:52 PM  
BaconatedGrapefruit:

submitter

What branch of the armed services have you served in?

Oh, that's right, you're probably a hypocrite



I doubt the submitter is the president of the US.....

How about you there BaconatedGrapefruit?? Or are you just a armchair type??
 
2005-06-22 02:41:26 PM  
PresidentPutz:

Immaculate_Misconception,

Hardley a Noob a I have been here for prolly 4 years under various names. Thanks for thinking of me, though.

Sometimes I miss an occasional thread or 500 whilst I am working.

PS... I kinda detest l337 crap as well. BUt hey, that's just me.


It's cool, I'm trying to find the pic, I'd have posted it already, but it's not on my laptop.

:)
 
2005-06-22 02:42:31 PM  
And then I notice it's been posted.

/off day
 
2005-06-22 02:43:38 PM  
Cloudchaser-

Dems never would have made a big deal out of it if the Republicans hadn;t attacked Clinton for being a draft dodger first. They raised the issue. I personally don't care, although at least Clinton had a well articulated position against the war. Bush's dodging amounts to cowardice, an unwillingness to serve in a war he ostensibly approved of. Incidentally, Kerry disapproved of the war, could have avoided service, but went anyway because he felt it was his duty--that tells you more about his character than any of this waffle BS as far as I'm concerned. And the fact that his honor was smeared by a bunch of draft dodgers (along with McCains in the SC primary) would have been reason enough for me not to vote for Bush even if I agreed with his politics--because he's a spoiled little pussy who's money and family name got him out of every tough spot he's ever landed in in life.

In any case the Republicans did it first and it is only natural to ask: if this was such a bad thing for Clinton to do, why don't you judge your candidate Bush as harshly. *That's* the illuminating irony.
 
2005-06-22 02:44:36 PM  
PresidentPutz: Hey, People, it's MORON with two "o"s.

Personally I prefer the Bugs version of "What a Maroon"
 
2005-06-22 02:46:22 PM  
How about you there BaconatedGrapefruit?? Or are you just a armchair type??

he's not even in the KISS army.
 
2005-06-22 02:47:01 PM  
mitchkumstein:

Bush will back out.

But he'll send Martin "I played a President on TV" Sheen upriver to take care of this little problem. Dennis Hopper will take pictures. Christopher Walken will kill himself. Charlie Sheen will love a prostitue long time. Steers and Queers in Texas will udder and shudder. Jane Fonda will straddle a tank and then think about Coming Home. Tom Cruise will lose all three legs on July 4th but let a hot Mexican sit on his face. Unfortunately, it will be Cheech Marin.


That made me laugh! NIce.
 
2005-06-22 02:47:56 PM  
BaconatedGrapefruit

Yes they can. I'm not as blinded toward one side as you.

Eh? toward which side am I blinded? I'm not the one who getting pissy and accusing people of hypocricy for cracking jokes.
 
2005-06-22 02:50:06 PM  
Can't we all just get along or does someone have to get electrocuted?
 
2005-06-22 02:50:56 PM  
PresidentPutz

Can't we all just get along or does someone have to get electrocuted?


I've got suggestions...
 
2005-06-22 02:51:09 PM  
danlpoon: he's not even in the KISS army.

lol.

My good friend has ALL of the Kiss dolls. ALL of them.
 
2005-06-22 02:52:03 PM  
Great headline.
 
2005-06-22 02:52:47 PM  
BaconatedGrapefruit

willywanka:

If Bush has publicly admitted he chose the National Guard specifically to avoid overseas combat, then you may have a point. As far as I know he hasn't, but that doesn't stop you from jumping to conclusions.


A. yes, he did admit it (see vetcurm's post)
B. um, what conclusions? That the submitter made a joke? And for you to say that I'm jumping to conclusions, then in a followup, stating that I am "blinded toward another side" is actually pretty amusing. For someone with no sense of humor, you sure can be funny. Unintentionally, granted, but still...
 
2005-06-22 02:54:07 PM  
whorehopper
Direct from a comment about foreign policy with regards the nation at the center of the story to "Blow Job"! And it only took "you guys" eleven posts to get there. Brilliant.

This particular "you guys" is not a Bush apologist, and actually voted Libertarian in the last two elections and for Clinton before that. You probably haven't paid much attention to other posts I've written, but I've stated before that I believe Clinton was a better President than Bush Jr.

The typical rule is that once someone mentions a current or former world leader in a thread, he or she becomes fair game to make fun of, and refusing to point out Clinton's stupidity at making his private life a public embarrassment seems rather hypocritical, even if you dislike Bush.
 
2005-06-22 02:56:45 PM  
forditude

Remember the birth of Lexmark printers? IBM had nowhere near a 100% monopoly. Other examples are readily available.

"No, but you can find a way to produce milk more cheaply and undermine the price supports."
But I'm a retailer who wants to discount my milk prices as loss leader to get customers in my store.

"Again, you can compete with the federal government by starting your own. Hello, Mailboxes Etc."
Why is the Federal Government in competition with the market to begin with. Bad premise.

"Been there, done that"
Maybe you should ask your school for a refund.
 
2005-06-22 02:57:42 PM  
Dry those tears, W. Daddy will take care of it.
 
2005-06-22 03:00:11 PM  
Hardley a Noob a I have been here for prolly 4 years under various names. Thanks for thinking of me, though.

Sorry, PresidentPutz. 'Moran' is a standard fark cliche (geez, the pic was already posted in *this* thread around 11:30, long before you 'corrected' your fellow farkers). If not a noob, well, then, you must be a...
 
2005-06-22 03:00:13 PM  
Why is the Federal Government in competition with the market to begin with. Bad premise.

Hello Fedex and UPS.
 
2005-06-22 03:00:56 PM  
Mob Barley: My good friend has ALL of the Kiss dolls. ALL of them.

Shouldn't that be your "good friend" has ALL of the Kiss dolls. ALL of them. ???
 
2005-06-22 03:02:23 PM  
Guido Libido wins...

/Former infantryman myself...
 
2005-06-22 03:02:33 PM  
 
2005-06-22 03:03:55 PM  
Personally I prefer the Bugs version of "What a Maroon"

Hey...I always liked that one, too!
 
2005-06-22 03:06:00 PM  
2005-06-22 02:24:53 PM RockIsDead

Respect is earned even when you're old.

/stop giving us "old" folks a bad name
 
2005-06-22 03:06:01 PM  
[image from img.photobucket.com too old to be available]
 
2005-06-22 03:07:56 PM  
Hey Onanist, Why don't you just beat it!

(kidding, howzitgoin?)
 
2005-06-22 03:08:43 PM  
Smallberries

Shouldn't that be your "good friend" has ALL of the Kiss dolls. ALL of them. ???

Damn, beat me to it.

"Yeah, but, er, you wouldn't know him...he, um, lives...overseas..."
 
2005-06-22 03:10:23 PM  
danlpoon

Anytime the Federal Government is in a market it's not an open market.
 
2005-06-22 03:10:28 PM  
Ahhhh.. Moran... Ha Ha Ha. Still not funny.

Again, I detest imbicilism as much as 1337.

I have a tendency to skip over pictures, usually, unless specifically crusing a p-shop thread. I like the words more.
 
2005-06-22 03:12:12 PM  
Immaculate_Misconception

Oh, and crawlspace, I am a combat decorated Marine veteran.
But I, unlike you am, not too old to fight, I've just done my share of fighting.


Fight a lot in the commissary, did you? I understand.

I would however take you up on your challenge to fight any day of the week my friend. It is afterall neccesary for men to resort to such methods when reason and discussion fails. And seeing as you're incapable of understanding facts, and also unable to see when facts have disproven you asinine opinion, maybe all that's left is for you to just have your ass handed to you?

Woah. Who peed in your stem cells?

Sigh. Whatever, toughguy.

decorated Marine veteran....sure! Why not? Why wouldn't I believe that? Anything on the intarweb must be true.

BTW, I was Patton in a former life.

You may know me as my current incarnation...maybe you've heard of me....my name is Carl Rove. There! I said it! Whew...I fell better now that THATS off my chest. Anyway, fukc you, later nitz!
 
2005-06-22 03:13:04 PM  
granola

Our Supvr. of Elections had Black Box voting test the Diebold machines in Tallahassee. They were vulnerable to manipulation (from the inside) because the tally machines use the windows environment. No Passwords were shared and Black Box was able to manipulate the results.

Diebold sucks it like a new-born goat.
 
2005-06-22 03:13:30 PM  
Ahhhh.. Moran... Ha Ha Ha. Still not funny.

Yeah...whatever...

You new here??

No??

Just stupid??
 
2005-06-22 03:14:50 PM  
danlpoon

Anytime the Federal Government is in a market it's not an open market.


My point exactly. Thanks.

Mostly I was trying to say we are "mostly" socialist, not Dem or Rep.
 
2005-06-22 03:15:06 PM  
my name is Carl Rove.

It's spelled "Karl Rove"...
 
2005-06-22 03:15:59 PM  
BTW, I was Patton in a former life.

I was MacArthur

(told ya I'd be back!)
 
2005-06-22 03:16:40 PM  
It's spelled "Karl Rove"...

A Fascist by any other name would smell as sweet....
 
2005-06-22 03:17:41 PM  
You know what this reminds me of? My Icelandic boyhood.
 
2005-06-22 03:17:42 PM  
danlpoon

Big chunk of socialism-lite. Yes. True wide open capitalism is as workable as true communism; both are systems better suited for beings with harps and wings than mere mortals.
 
2005-06-22 03:18:07 PM  
Crawlspace

A) It's spelled "Karl".
B) You have now simply devolved to ad-hominem after your last confusing "The polls don't matter-- the majority agrees" post.
C) Nobody is agreeing with you. Everyone is disagreeing. But, I assume by your logic that puts you in the majority.

Oh well.

Immaculate

FIDO, SSDD.
 
2005-06-22 03:18:24 PM  
After seeing that "Moran" post three times in one thread, I have to wonder:

Is the chick cut off on the right of the picture holding up a sign that reads "Freedom Ring" or "Free Ride"?


/Hopes it is the latter.
 
2005-06-22 03:19:05 PM  
what? Heaven is full of Communists??
say it ain't so, Jeebus!
 
2005-06-22 03:22:06 PM  
wolves

I think they dubbed it "moderated capitalism" or some other such PC name for socialism.

I read a prediction by a Florida economist that 30% of Florida's transactions are "under the table". IOW- unlicensed contracting, auto "gifts" that are actually sales, etc.

I believe it- I pay my pool guy and my lawn guy in greenbacks. My babysitter, my house keeper and my one employee also get a much diluted 1099.
 
2005-06-22 03:23:10 PM  
You know what this reminds me of? My Icelandic boyhood.

Coolest Country Ever.
 
2005-06-22 03:24:01 PM  
Damn. There sure are some nasty and hostile arse-fats in here. Jeez people. Get a friggin life. If this place makes you that angry and insulting, you may want to consider a controlled substance or two in the barbituate family.
 
2005-06-22 03:30:15 PM  
PresidentPutz I like the words more.

Man do I have a word for you then: floccinaucinihilipilification. As in this thread is the embodiment of floccinaucinihilipilification without pics. Or something.
 
2005-06-22 03:30:20 PM  
If this place makes you that angry and insulting

Take yer lumps like a man...
 
2005-06-22 03:31:22 PM  
BTW, my Imbicilism remark was aimed at the dope in the picture, just in case any of you trigger happy, destabilized Farkers are prone misinterpretation.

PS... Friends don't let friends write in permanent marker.
 
2005-06-22 03:34:48 PM  
flocci-nauci-nihili-pili-fication, nice. You rock
 
2005-06-22 03:36:23 PM  
PresidentPutz

Damn. There sure are some nasty and hostile arse-fats in here. Jeez people. Get a friggin life. If this place makes you that angry and insulting, you may want to consider a controlled substance or two in the barbituate family.


Well, you ARE insulting something that Farkers hold very dear: The Fark Cliche. By not knowing of it, then calling it "imbicilism" (not a recognized word in the English language, mind you... or are you trying to start a new Fark Cliche? "Imbecilism" would be closer, but still not a recognized word.) you set the teeth of Farkers on edge. After all, who are you to call it "imbicilism" when you know nothing about it?

That's akin to popping into a conversation about Baroque composers, and saying that you know nothing of JS Bach. Then you hear three notes from one of his Brandenburg Concertos, and deem that "Bach's music is imbicilism" and that people who listen to that crap are stupid.

Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it "imbicilism".
 
2005-06-22 03:39:50 PM  
One thing I have learned in this thread is that Hang On Voltaire got owned pretty good. Good try bud maybe you will get them in the next flamewar.
 
2005-06-22 03:40:37 PM  
Snarfangel

The typical rule is that once someone mentions a current or former world leader in a thread, he or she becomes fair game to make fun of, and refusing to point out Clinton's stupidity at making his private life a public embarrassment seems rather hypocritical, even if you dislike Bush.


Wait, who made Clinton's private life into a public embarassment, costing millions in taxpayer dollars?

Right. Just thought I'd clear that up.
 
2005-06-22 03:45:12 PM  
LincolnLogolas,

Unlike many, I am attempting to be NICE, dammit.
The remark, I REPEAT, was to reference the IDIOT in the picture.

Now get off back back, you wanker.

And I mean that in the sweetest of regards.

It's like being in a classroom full of petulant children and no yardstick to be found.
 
2005-06-22 03:47:30 PM  
And, just for the fraggin record, because someone misses a "Fark Cliche" doesn't mean they are "Noobs" or clueless. It just means we may have missed your precious joke or it rated so low on the radar as to be a forgotten attempt at humour.
 
2005-06-22 03:51:46 PM  
"//BTW in case you failed to notice ALL your states are belong to us..."

And you're doing ever so well. Economy booming, unemployment at all time lows, American people united for the first time since WW2, pensions secure, medical costs dropping like a stone, our country loved the world over.....
 
2005-06-22 03:52:27 PM  
I just wanted to check in and say I think this thread is great, and I think fortitude is an idiot. Thanks.

Bye.

-IR
 
2005-06-22 03:53:07 PM  
PresidentPutz

Unlike many, I am attempting to be NICE, dammit.
The remark, I REPEAT, was to reference the IDIOT in the picture.

Now get off back back, you wanker.

And I mean that in the sweetest of regards.

It's like being in a classroom full of petulant children and no yardstick to be found.


It's amazing how someone so full of his own grammatical superiority will make the most daft of mistakes. I apologize for the misfire of my remark in regards to "imbicility".

I still, however, think you're an arrogant turd who really needs to put the dictionary down and have a drink.

I mean that in the nicest of ways, of course!
 
2005-06-22 03:56:27 PM  
Missing a FARK cliche is indicative of morol moral decay and a blatant disregard for the well being of our nation and probably hints at perverse sexual predilections and a dubious ancestry. Or it could be an innocent actuality. But where's the fun in that?
 
2005-06-22 03:57:07 PM  
PresidentPutz

"Moran" is a fark cliche. Accept it. Move on.

-IR

/If you can't appreciate fark cliches, maybe fark isn't for you :P
 
2005-06-22 03:58:46 PM  
f dubya
 
2005-06-22 03:59:38 PM  
And, just for the fraggin record, because someone misses a "Fark Cliche" doesn't mean they are "Noobs" or clueless. It just means we may have missed your precious joke or it rated so low on the radar as to be a forgotten attempt at humour.

Well it works like this-

First, find a funny pic or quip. Second, post it til the mere sight makes one like to gag. Third, flame anyone who posts the gag-making til the quip/pic dies its (much deserved) death.
Last, flame anyone who did not witness the life cycle of the fark-cliche because you are an obvious noob.
 
2005-06-22 04:02:31 PM  
LincolnLogolas
Wait, who made Clinton's private life into a public embarassment, costing millions in taxpayer dollars?

Right. Just thought I'd clear that up.


I believe a non-partisan viewpoint would see plenty of blame for both sides of the aisle.
 
2005-06-22 04:03:15 PM  
"Trolling in the rain, I'm trolling in the rain, find the ones with small brains, whilst trolling in the rain."

Just for the record, I am a sloppy typist, not a grammatical morOn. Were I overly concerned, I might filter my activities through a spell check, but, alas, I am well past the point of being concerned over such silly things. You have shown me the error of my ways and I am humbled...


/tee hee hee... Think they bought it?
//Do we care?
///Let us be off to the pub.
 
2005-06-22 04:03:47 PM  
Mrmyke709

No one cares.

/fyi
 
2005-06-22 04:04:49 PM  
Also, cliches are so, well, cliche, i.e. dull. Bah
 
2005-06-22 04:06:06 PM  
Obdicut

A) It's spelled "Karl".

Fat fingered it. Oops. Whatever.

B) You have now simply devolved to ad-hominem after your last confusing "The polls don't matter-- the majority agrees" post.

Riiiiight...after being called a pussy, moran, etc. Bite me.

C) Nobody is agreeing with you. Everyone is disagreeing. But, I assume by your logic that puts you in the majority.

Slow down there, Mahatma. I may be in the minority on fark, but certainly not in the US. Remember all those pesky red states? Me to.

Oh well.

Oh well, indeed.
 
2005-06-22 04:07:39 PM  
geez, when is the election over?
 
2005-06-22 04:10:24 PM  
The Onanist: Guido Libido wins...

/Former infantryman myself...


Indeed...

/8th ID W. Germany
 
2005-06-22 04:12:20 PM  
PresidentPutz
Also, cliches are so, well, cliche, i.e. dull. Bah

Hedley Lamarr, is that you? ;)
 
2005-06-22 04:12:24 PM  
crawlspace:

Slow down there, Mahatma. I may be in the minority on fark, but certainly not in the US. Remember all those pesky red states? Me to.

How could I forget? We blue states have to fund the trailor parks in the red states. Somebody has to pay the bills, and you farks are so busy having sex with barnyard animals and your sisters we get stuck with the bill.

/farking hicks
 
2005-06-22 04:15:23 PM  
Has this thread really devolved into Farkers insulting each other and arguins ABOUT whether Farkers are insulting each other and arguing?

Frikken sad.
 
2005-06-22 04:17:08 PM  
BojanglesPaladin:

Has this thread really devolved into Farkers insulting each other and arguins ABOUT whether Farkers are insulting each other and arguing?

i disagree, farkface.
 
2005-06-22 04:18:40 PM  
has this thread been Darwin'd yet? If not, we gotta be getting close.
*looks at watch and taps foot*
 
2005-06-22 04:18:59 PM  
heap

Touche`
 
2005-06-22 04:21:52 PM  
i just wish all of the libbies could move to cali, so when it falls into the ocean, America will once again be a great nation, free of all the termites that infest us today.
 
2005-06-22 04:23:07 PM  
Vet_Curm

Fine, ask those there if we should be there, I think they'll side with me
 
CE3
2005-06-22 04:23:11 PM  
Will Cheney be going to Vietnam as well, or does he still have "other priorities"?
 
2005-06-22 04:23:11 PM  
Hey everyone!! Boobies in slot #1!!
 
2005-06-22 04:23:14 PM  
Yellowbeard

If the Yellow Party in any way resembles you're name you can add me to the mailing list. Yarrr.

kevin5lynn

Liberals have, literally, changed the world

By definition even.

Cloudchaser_the_red_wolf_furry

Ever since the whole Bush Jr. National Guard Vietnam thing started, I've wondered how many of those who's criticized him for it have also criticized Bill Clinton for his trying to avoid going to Vietnam. To not do so would be hypocritical.

No, not really. Not at all. Clinton was honest he went to college (had a Rhodes Scholarship so not sure how much that counts as finangling a cheap way out of the war), and never tried the moral superiority soldier stuff Bush has.
 
2005-06-22 04:23:57 PM  
2wolves
Why is the Federal Government in competition with the market to begin with

I thought the postal service was originally a public service (i.e. provided by the government) going back to Ben Franklin. Wouldn;t that be the private sector getting into compitition with government?

Besides, there are already a number of instances where the two can overlap. Private ambulance companies for example.
 
2005-06-22 04:24:07 PM  
crawlspace: Fat fingered it. Oops. Whatever.

Only if your fingers are 3" wide...
The K and the C aren't very close to one another.
 
2005-06-22 04:24:44 PM  
PresidentPutz

Wow, it's almost like I'm talking to a non-Neonazi version of Rush Limbaugh! I love those kind of people. Up late at night, flipping through the dictionary... boredom... boredom... boredom... WAIT! You've found a great word!

Golly, I'll bet you can't wait to use it the next day in some manner of insulting context! Using big words makes you feel SO smart, and makes everyone else feel so imbicilic.

You, sir, should run for a political office. I don't care what ticket you run on. Anyone that outwardly pompous (at least in text) deserves some manner of political office. I'll bet that in some counties, they've got an office specifically for you. "Chairman of Big Words Board" or somesuch. You'd get PAID to do what you like!

Oh, and I don't believe in Spellcheck.

Now, let's get this puppy back on topic, as it was derailed by your railing. Hmm. There's no way to get THIS response on topic, so I'll have to include something by crawlspace. Keep in mind, I'm not comparing you or associating you (PresidentPutz) with this (crawlspace) douche.

crawlspace

Slow down there, Mahatma. I may be in the minority on fark, but certainly not in the US. Remember all those pesky red states? Me to.


Ah, remember the electoral votes each of those bitty red states had? Ah, right. Remember what the popular vote in this country was? Ah, right. Hmm. Could it be that you're full of shiat and just flailing about to try and defend your position? Ah, right.
 
2005-06-22 04:25:01 PM  
burke1253
i just wish all of the libbies could move to cali, so when it falls into the ocean, America will once again be a great nation, free of all the termites that infest us today.

When you're trolling, you have to do better than that.

You're way too blatantly obvious to get any bites.
 
2005-06-22 04:25:12 PM  
kevin5lynn
Liberals have, literally, changed the world

Yep. Just not always for the better.
 
2005-06-22 04:25:19 PM  
i just wish all of the libbies could move to cali, so when it falls into the ocean, America will once again be a great nation, free of all the termites that infest us today.

Had enough freedom, I take it?

Here...Come over here...(WHAM,WHACK!*double cock-punch*).

/Troll Kwan Do!
 
2005-06-22 04:25:50 PM  
burke1253:

i just wish all of the libbies could move to cali, so when it falls into the ocean, America will once again be a great nation, free of all the termites that infest us today.


With a bunch of fat idiots agreeing with each other about who turns left the best???

/congrats on the most delusional post ever
//looking forward to some good category 5 tornadoes this year....
 
2005-06-22 04:26:06 PM  
burke1253:

i just wish all of the libbies could move to cali, so when it falls into the ocean, America will once again be a great nation, free of all the termites that infest us today.

Wow, and I thought all of the stupid people had left the room.

Just goes to show that I can be wrong occasionally.

crawlspace:

Slow down there, Mahatma. I may be in the minority on fark, but certainly not in the US. Remember all those pesky red states? Me to.

Read the poll shiathead, you may have BEEN in the majority in America, but you no longer are. Accept it, please don't continue to refute FACTS with your very weak opinion.

Or, you could always back your weak opinions with facts and numbers. Please!!!!!
 
2005-06-22 04:27:55 PM  
BojanglesPaladin

Has this thread really devolved into Farkers insulting each other and arguins ABOUT whether Farkers are insulting each other and arguing?

Frikken sad.


Eat me, you fascist bastard! I didn't call you a cocksucker!

/sorry

So post UPS girl again. That made yesterday's "big" thread worthwhile. I'm just drawing things out because I'm so bloody bored at work.
 
2005-06-22 04:28:54 PM  
D_The_Duck
Fine, ask those there if we should be there, I think they'll side with me

I think the stop loss orders and the re-enlistment rates are speaking louder. (Not to mention the rate that lower grade officers are getting out when they have satisfied their commitment)
 
2005-06-22 04:29:25 PM  
So post UPS girl again.

Please. Thanks.
 
2005-06-22 04:29:43 PM  
BojanglesPaladin

Just because it started that way, public service, doesn't mean it has no impact on a truly open market. That's one of the points I was making with Mr. Business School. FedEx has for sometime been trying to gain access to Post Office space. Locked out.
 
2005-06-22 04:31:58 PM  
kevin5lynn

No the fact that you live in Canada doesn't make your opinions invalid, just your motives suspect.

History has heard things like this before, however I prefer to look at things on a case by case basis, and I don't think you can apply this here. Marriage is a benefit (no marrige jokes please) granted by government. To extend this benefit to a group who isn't currently receiving this benefit that doesn't fit in the same metric as it's intent is not depriving someone of a right. Not everyone is entitled to marrige benefits, you have to do a specific thing, we are just honing our definition.

BTW, you are wrong about the polls. Even in blue states marriage is being defined M + W. Again, I DON'T agree, but I agree with the process.
 
2005-06-22 04:33:08 PM  
LincolnLegolas

UPS girl is all worn out. Like this thread.

She needs first aid! Like this thread.

[image from lingerieplace.com too old to be available]
 
2005-06-22 04:34:44 PM  
boj and Lincoln
2wolves and 'macculate


You farking farkers are so farking argumentative it hurts my passive farking sensibilities to the point I wanna insult you insulting farkers. Libs! Neo-Geo's! Audi drivers! God-haters! Misogynist miscreants all of you!

G'nite everyone, I think I'll go home early and take my daughter in the pool. Drive safe, everyone and have a nice evening. Daniel Poone.
 
2005-06-22 04:35:26 PM  
Vet_Curm

You don't think the reenlistment rates have more to do with the people who were using the army as a way to pay for college that now realize it's not a cash cow? I think it's sad that so many were milking the government and now whine about their commitment.
 
2005-06-22 04:35:44 PM  
Immaculate_Misconception

Read the poll shiathead, you may have BEEN in the majority in America, but you no longer are. Accept it, please don't continue to refute FACTS with your very weak opinion.

That's some great name-calling you've got there. Really. Why does it perpetually devolve into that with you people?

Accept what exactly? Who's in power now? So you believe that a farking poll dictates who is in the majority? Remember last november?
 
2005-06-22 04:36:35 PM  
IN an effort to stay on topic, I guess it should be asian first aid, so...

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2005-06-22 04:36:50 PM  
boj
well I WAS gonna go in the pool with my daughter but I think I'll kill a few kittens before I pick her up. Thanks for the pic. I will send my apologies to my daughter.
 
2005-06-22 04:37:15 PM  
It's Clinton's fault.
 
2005-06-22 04:37:17 PM  
Vet_Curm: I think the stop loss orders and the re-enlistment rates are speaking louder


Let's see... A war generally causes those who enlist for a free ride not to enlist. Makes sense to me.

The same thing happened when I was in Bosnia, except we didn't need stop loss orders because we had very few boots on the ground, and of course, it was undereported due to who was in the White House at the time.

It pays to have friends in the newsrooms.
 
2005-06-22 04:37:44 PM  
Snarfangel:

The typical rule is that once someone mentions a current or former world leader in a thread, he or she becomes fair game to make fun of, and refusing to point out Clinton's stupidity at making his private life a public embarrassment seems rather hypocritical, even if you dislike Bush.


I'm not a Rightard, I just play one on Fark, is that what that means? I don't give two turds what your positions are, what your party affilliation might be.

You were the first one here to yell "BJ!", in a thread that has nothing to do with Clinton's sex life.

refusing to point out Clinton's stupidity at making his private life a public embarrassment seems rather hypocritical, even if you dislike Bush.

"Refusing to point out"? What in the King Fark is that supposed to mean? That is a masterwork of NONSENSE is what that phrase is. Particuarly when the conversation had nothing to do with it at that time.

I went to the store today, I "refused" to point out to the cashier what a moran our President seems to be. Yay for me, I guess.

Silly, silly boy.
 
2005-06-22 04:37:59 PM  
Majority of Voters does not equal majority of Americans.
 
2005-06-22 04:38:41 PM  
BigTuna

Well yes and no, Marriage isn't a right it's a privelige. And the government has the right who is eligible to gain that privlege. If they say it's a man and a woman that doesn't discriminate per se, it's saying what the neccessary requirement is. Granted homosexual people can't meet that requirement, but that doesn't mean it's discrimination.
 
2005-06-22 04:40:08 PM  
Churnin Urn of Burnin Funk:

The same thing happened when I was in Bosnia, except we didn't need stop loss orders because we had very few boots on the ground, and of course, it was undereported due to who was in the White House at the time.

It pays to have friends in the newsrooms.


yah don't think it might just have had something to do with.... less boots on the ground, and less coffins coming home?

nah. i'm sure a vast left wing conspiracy is more likely.
 
2005-06-22 04:41:47 PM  
heap

Not a single American KIA in Bosnia helped a bit also.
 
2005-06-22 04:42:47 PM  
D_The_Duck
I think it's sad that so many were milking the government and now whine about their commitment.

"whine about their commitment"?

They've served the time they signed up for. Not too many other contracts I can think of allow one signatory to change the terms/duration, and not the other.

And as far as "milking the government", you won't get far with that sentiment from Veterans of either political persuasion.

When you serve, you earn it.
 
2005-06-22 04:42:52 PM  
I thought the postal service was originally a public service (i.e. provided by the government) going back to Ben Franklin. Wouldn;t that be the private sector getting into compitition with government?

Just to clear things up a bit, the USPS was a government entity, now it is a semi-autonomous private corporation with government oversight. It has the exclusive right to deliver mail to mailboxes and PO boxes, which are, technically, the property of the USPS. The laws are kind of tangled up (like a lot of laws are), but this is the reason UPS and FedEx are "package delivery" and they cannot deliver to PO boxes, and they can't put packages in your mailbox.

-IR
 
2005-06-22 04:45:14 PM  
BojanglesPaladin

You know, if there's one thing that can bring all the people of this nation together, it's pictures of sexy nurses.

Well, at least it'll unite people who think sexy nurses are hawt.

I love you, man.

Come, my brothers and sisters! Let us put aside all of our political differences, and celebrate the wholesome goodness of farking hot as hell nurse-type women!

FYI: doing a GIS for "sexy nurse" is in NO WAY SFW even with "safesearch" on.
 
2005-06-22 04:46:00 PM  
I have never liked cats. I hope they ALL die...

Does Bush have a cat? Will he be taking it to Vietnam? Will it need first aid?

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2005-06-22 04:46:36 PM  
Marriage isn't a right it's a privelige

It's neither. It's a sacrament.
 
2005-06-22 04:46:41 PM  
burke1253:

i just wish all of the libbies could move to cali

Interestingly enough, my own GF is pretty much "libbie" to the core (far more so than I, anyhow). She came from a GOP-dominated, conservative-as-hell shiatheel cow town. Ironically enough, it is IN cali'. Even funnier, after she busted out of there, she ended up in your state.
 
2005-06-22 04:47:32 PM  
crawlspace:

That's some great name-calling you've got there. Really. Why does it perpetually devolve into that with you people?


Apparently because you people are too stuck on your bullshiat ideology to admit that your leadership is screwing the pooch. You're the one that started this disagreement by refuting my factual post by announcing that the paper thin margin that Bush won by 8 months ago is somehow still a valid compass by which to measure the current political opinion of the nation, which after all, is what I was posting about.

Do you get it now?

You picked a fight, you interjected completely irrelevant data, and then you refuse to see how relevant and current data supersedes your bullshiat.

This makes you a moran, an asshat and a tool. Not to mention a perfect follower of the idiot you voted for.

In the future, please STFU while grown folks are speaking, I'm done with you now, you may go.
 
2005-06-22 04:47:40 PM  
heap:

ah don't think it might just have had something to do with.... less boots on the ground, and less coffins coming home?

I said what I believe.

Just as surely as the sun rises, war kills people. If there's Americans on the ground, some will be killed.

I'd be more inclined to discuss the deaths of our servicemen and women, and how I personally feel about it, if I had some sense that the people griping the most about it actually cared about it as anything more than a political weapon.
 
2005-06-22 04:47:43 PM  
Vet_Curm

I think you are missing my point. Those that signed up in peacetime to get a free ride to college or be in the reserves to make some money and complain now that they have been activated make me sick. They are an insult to all of those who signed up with the intent serve their country, not take advantage of it for a buck.
 
2005-06-22 04:48:07 PM  
Marriage isn't a right OR a priveldge. It is a stupid governmentally hijacked paper chase suffering the pressures of the religious right vs the liberal left.
 
2005-06-22 04:49:27 PM  
Best.. headline.. ever..

Diogenes:

Why is it that normalization with states much worse than Cuba OK, but any loosing of the embargo with Cuba is verboten?

Because to do so would require America to own up to the horrible attrocities committed against the Cuban people by the CIA, et al, which of course will never happen. I'll say this for Cuba though, as a Canadian it's nice to know you can go and not run into a bunch of Americans..
 
2005-06-22 04:52:31 PM  
SherKhan, PresidentPutz

Marraige is a legal partnership, granting the members certain privileges and obligation,and carrying with it certain requirements and restrictions.

Just ask this nurse.
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2005-06-22 04:53:52 PM  
2005-06-22 04:47:32 PM Immaculate_Misconception

Awesome. As I was reading it I envisioned crawlspace being bent over and spanked repeatedly. In a punishment way, not a BSDM way. And he deserved every stroke. After the terrible beatings received here on the part of yourself and Clavis, you'd think these Republitrolls would shut up.

/Not all republicans are trolls
//Just the ones that seem to have posted in this thread
 
2005-06-22 04:54:06 PM  
The House on Wednesday approved a constitutional amendment that would give Congress the power to ban desecration of the American flag, a measure that for the first time stands a chance of passing the Senate as well.

WOW. Fark's gonna be real empty if this goes thru. All the crunchy flag burners will be in jail. We can finally have some real intellectual threads.
 
2005-06-22 04:54:53 PM  
2005-06-22 04:38:41 PM D_The_Duck

"Well yes and no, Marriage isn't a right it's a privelige."

Considering you're wrong about this part, the rest of what you had to say is also wrong.

In the 1967 case of Loving v. Virginia, the Supreme Court said that marriage was one of the "basic civil rights of man. To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis... [that are] directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law."

Marriage is not a 'privelige', it's a right (protected by government) AND and liberty (which, by definition, means it should be completely free from government intervention). So, technically, marriage should be under no constraints by the government whatsoever, but at the same time, protected as a civil right.

Sorry to burst your bubble.
 
2005-06-22 04:54:58 PM  
PresidentPutz

I HOPE you realize that marraige was around long before either political parties or the idea of 'left' and 'right' wing politics.

Otherwise, I will have to have the nurse check you for brain damage.
 
2005-06-22 04:55:06 PM  
BojanglesPaladin Does Bush have a cat? Will he be taking it to Vietnam? Will it need first aid?

My how time flies. Looks like it's pon'far season again.
 
2005-06-22 04:55:55 PM  
Churnin Urn of Burnin Funk:

Just as surely as the sun rises, war kills people. If there's Americans on the ground, some will be killed.

then why weren't there any killed in action in bosnia?

i mean...it's all well and good to state 'this is sure, thus the leftinistas are conspiring against teh bush'...but when the facts don't match the rhetoric, i gotta say something, at least.

there's a blue million differences between bosnia and iraq, and i'm loathe to get into these discussions that hinge on comparing apples to dildos...but i gotta say, if you see some sort of vast left wing conspiracy as the reason bosnia didn't get people's dander up the way it has in iraq...mayhap you're a little too close to the forest to actually see that it contains trees.
 
2005-06-22 04:55:58 PM  
An_Innocent_Primate:

Awesome. As I was reading it I envisioned crawlspace being bent over and spanked repeatedly. In a punishment way, not a BSDM way. And he deserved every stroke. After the terrible beatings received here on the part of yourself and Clavis, you'd think these Republitrolls would shut up.

/Not all republicans are trolls
//Just the ones that seem to have posted in this thread


Thanks!

Off to wax my motorhome now...........really.

Good evening all.
 
2005-06-22 04:56:26 PM  
Wouldn't it be great if Bush decided to take with him all of the other prominent neocons who also avoided serving in Vietnam???

/props to the submitter
 
2005-06-22 04:58:06 PM  
Immaculate_Misconception

Apparently because you people are too stuck on your bullshiat ideology to admit that your leadership is screwing the pooch. You're the one that s
~snip

You're coming unglued, dork. You're also 'bloody bored at work', or so you claim. Tell me, does it ever get to you being stuck in that toll booth all day? Or how about your second job, manning the gloryhole at 'The Guilded Lilly'?

Look son, when you and mommy are discussing politics while you shave her back tonite, please ask her for a clue and a brief english lesson, as you are in dire need of both.

This makes you a moran, an asshat and a tool. Not to mention a perfect follower of the idiot you voted for.

Right. My guy won. Your guy lost. Period. Your a relic, dude. Again, please burn out and fade away. And while you're at it, lay off the friggin bold tag...your last post looks like a ransom note composed by some repressed /. geek.
 
2005-06-22 04:58:09 PM  
Attention Bush Supporters!!!

Link to the Marine Recruiters site.
Marine Recruiter On-Line

Semper Fi, do or die.

"Ooo Rah!"

Man up, Nancy, and act like you got a pair. I dare you.

/20 years working for Uncle Sams Misguided Children
 
2005-06-22 04:59:30 PM