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(CNN)   Bush scheduled to visit Vietnam sometime next year. Trip in doubt, though, as his obligations with the Texas Air National Guard may conflict   (cnn.com) divider line 856
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2005-06-22 04:42:52 PM  
I thought the postal service was originally a public service (i.e. provided by the government) going back to Ben Franklin. Wouldn;t that be the private sector getting into compitition with government?

Just to clear things up a bit, the USPS was a government entity, now it is a semi-autonomous private corporation with government oversight. It has the exclusive right to deliver mail to mailboxes and PO boxes, which are, technically, the property of the USPS. The laws are kind of tangled up (like a lot of laws are), but this is the reason UPS and FedEx are "package delivery" and they cannot deliver to PO boxes, and they can't put packages in your mailbox.

-IR
 
2005-06-22 04:45:14 PM  
BojanglesPaladin

You know, if there's one thing that can bring all the people of this nation together, it's pictures of sexy nurses.

Well, at least it'll unite people who think sexy nurses are hawt.

I love you, man.

Come, my brothers and sisters! Let us put aside all of our political differences, and celebrate the wholesome goodness of farking hot as hell nurse-type women!

FYI: doing a GIS for "sexy nurse" is in NO WAY SFW even with "safesearch" on.
 
2005-06-22 04:46:00 PM  
I have never liked cats. I hope they ALL die...

Does Bush have a cat? Will he be taking it to Vietnam? Will it need first aid?

 
2005-06-22 04:46:36 PM  
Marriage isn't a right it's a privelige

It's neither. It's a sacrament.
 
2005-06-22 04:46:41 PM  
burke1253:

i just wish all of the libbies could move to cali

Interestingly enough, my own GF is pretty much "libbie" to the core (far more so than I, anyhow). She came from a GOP-dominated, conservative-as-hell shiatheel cow town. Ironically enough, it is IN cali'. Even funnier, after she busted out of there, she ended up in your state.
 
2005-06-22 04:47:32 PM  
crawlspace:

That's some great name-calling you've got there. Really. Why does it perpetually devolve into that with you people?


Apparently because you people are too stuck on your bullshiat ideology to admit that your leadership is screwing the pooch. You're the one that started this disagreement by refuting my factual post by announcing that the paper thin margin that Bush won by 8 months ago is somehow still a valid compass by which to measure the current political opinion of the nation, which after all, is what I was posting about.

Do you get it now?

You picked a fight, you interjected completely irrelevant data, and then you refuse to see how relevant and current data supersedes your bullshiat.

This makes you a moran, an asshat and a tool. Not to mention a perfect follower of the idiot you voted for.

In the future, please STFU while grown folks are speaking, I'm done with you now, you may go.
 
2005-06-22 04:47:40 PM  
heap:

ah don't think it might just have had something to do with.... less boots on the ground, and less coffins coming home?

I said what I believe.

Just as surely as the sun rises, war kills people. If there's Americans on the ground, some will be killed.

I'd be more inclined to discuss the deaths of our servicemen and women, and how I personally feel about it, if I had some sense that the people griping the most about it actually cared about it as anything more than a political weapon.
 
2005-06-22 04:47:43 PM  
Vet_Curm

I think you are missing my point. Those that signed up in peacetime to get a free ride to college or be in the reserves to make some money and complain now that they have been activated make me sick. They are an insult to all of those who signed up with the intent serve their country, not take advantage of it for a buck.
 
2005-06-22 04:48:07 PM  
Marriage isn't a right OR a priveldge. It is a stupid governmentally hijacked paper chase suffering the pressures of the religious right vs the liberal left.
 
2005-06-22 04:49:27 PM  
Best.. headline.. ever..

Diogenes:

Why is it that normalization with states much worse than Cuba OK, but any loosing of the embargo with Cuba is verboten?

Because to do so would require America to own up to the horrible attrocities committed against the Cuban people by the CIA, et al, which of course will never happen. I'll say this for Cuba though, as a Canadian it's nice to know you can go and not run into a bunch of Americans..
 
2005-06-22 04:52:31 PM  
SherKhan, PresidentPutz

Marraige is a legal partnership, granting the members certain privileges and obligation,and carrying with it certain requirements and restrictions.

Just ask this nurse.
 
2005-06-22 04:53:52 PM  
2005-06-22 04:47:32 PM Immaculate_Misconception

Awesome. As I was reading it I envisioned crawlspace being bent over and spanked repeatedly. In a punishment way, not a BSDM way. And he deserved every stroke. After the terrible beatings received here on the part of yourself and Clavis, you'd think these Republitrolls would shut up.

/Not all republicans are trolls
//Just the ones that seem to have posted in this thread
 
2005-06-22 04:54:06 PM  
The House on Wednesday approved a constitutional amendment that would give Congress the power to ban desecration of the American flag, a measure that for the first time stands a chance of passing the Senate as well.

WOW. Fark's gonna be real empty if this goes thru. All the crunchy flag burners will be in jail. We can finally have some real intellectual threads.
 
2005-06-22 04:54:53 PM  
2005-06-22 04:38:41 PM D_The_Duck

"Well yes and no, Marriage isn't a right it's a privelige."

Considering you're wrong about this part, the rest of what you had to say is also wrong.

In the 1967 case of Loving v. Virginia, the Supreme Court said that marriage was one of the "basic civil rights of man. To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis... [that are] directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law."

Marriage is not a 'privelige', it's a right (protected by government) AND and liberty (which, by definition, means it should be completely free from government intervention). So, technically, marriage should be under no constraints by the government whatsoever, but at the same time, protected as a civil right.

Sorry to burst your bubble.
 
2005-06-22 04:54:58 PM  
PresidentPutz

I HOPE you realize that marraige was around long before either political parties or the idea of 'left' and 'right' wing politics.

Otherwise, I will have to have the nurse check you for brain damage.
 
2005-06-22 04:55:06 PM  
BojanglesPaladin Does Bush have a cat? Will he be taking it to Vietnam? Will it need first aid?

My how time flies. Looks like it's pon'far season again.
 
2005-06-22 04:55:55 PM  
Churnin Urn of Burnin Funk:

Just as surely as the sun rises, war kills people. If there's Americans on the ground, some will be killed.

then why weren't there any killed in action in bosnia?

i mean...it's all well and good to state 'this is sure, thus the leftinistas are conspiring against teh bush'...but when the facts don't match the rhetoric, i gotta say something, at least.

there's a blue million differences between bosnia and iraq, and i'm loathe to get into these discussions that hinge on comparing apples to dildos...but i gotta say, if you see some sort of vast left wing conspiracy as the reason bosnia didn't get people's dander up the way it has in iraq...mayhap you're a little too close to the forest to actually see that it contains trees.
 
2005-06-22 04:55:58 PM  
An_Innocent_Primate:

Awesome. As I was reading it I envisioned crawlspace being bent over and spanked repeatedly. In a punishment way, not a BSDM way. And he deserved every stroke. After the terrible beatings received here on the part of yourself and Clavis, you'd think these Republitrolls would shut up.

/Not all republicans are trolls
//Just the ones that seem to have posted in this thread


Thanks!

Off to wax my motorhome now...........really.

Good evening all.
 
2005-06-22 04:56:26 PM  
Wouldn't it be great if Bush decided to take with him all of the other prominent neocons who also avoided serving in Vietnam???

/props to the submitter
 
2005-06-22 04:58:06 PM  
Immaculate_Misconception

Apparently because you people are too stuck on your bullshiat ideology to admit that your leadership is screwing the pooch. You're the one that s
~snip

You're coming unglued, dork. You're also 'bloody bored at work', or so you claim. Tell me, does it ever get to you being stuck in that toll booth all day? Or how about your second job, manning the gloryhole at 'The Guilded Lilly'?

Look son, when you and mommy are discussing politics while you shave her back tonite, please ask her for a clue and a brief english lesson, as you are in dire need of both.

This makes you a moran, an asshat and a tool. Not to mention a perfect follower of the idiot you voted for.

Right. My guy won. Your guy lost. Period. Your a relic, dude. Again, please burn out and fade away. And while you're at it, lay off the friggin bold tag...your last post looks like a ransom note composed by some repressed /. geek.
 
2005-06-22 04:58:09 PM  
Attention Bush Supporters!!!

Link to the Marine Recruiters site.
Marine Recruiter On-Line

Semper Fi, do or die.

"Ooo Rah!"

Man up, Nancy, and act like you got a pair. I dare you.

/20 years working for Uncle Sams Misguided Children
 
2005-06-22 04:59:30 PM  
D_The_Duck
Those that signed up in peacetime to get a free ride to college or be in the reserves to make some money and complain now that they have been activated make me sick. They are an insult to all of those who signed up with the intent serve their country, not take advantage of it for a buck.

If the people working in the defense industries worked for the same pay scale the military does, you'd have a stronger position. If the civilian contractors working in Iraq worked for the same pay scale as the military, you'd have a stronger position.

Last time I looked, neither was paying you the pittance that the military offered.

When I said stop loss and re-enlistment rates, I was talking about people who have completed the contract they signed.

As I have maintained for the past 19 months I have been posting on Fark, if troops in the Guard and Reserves wanted to be tasked like active duty troops, they would _be_ active duty troops. Anybody who has been in knows that active duty and having a family don't really go together.
 
2005-06-22 05:00:28 PM  
burke1253

The House on Wednesday approved a constitutional amendment that would give Congress the power to ban desecration of the American flag, a measure that for the first time stands a chance of passing the Senate as well.

WOW. Fark's gonna be real empty if this goes thru. All the crunchy flag burners will be in jail. We can finally have some real intellectual threads.


I hope you're joking. If you remember the principles that your country is founded on, flag burning should be the right of every citizen.
 
2005-06-22 05:00:39 PM  
I HOPE you realize that marraige was around long before either political parties or the idea of 'left' and 'right' wing politics.

True, however the "traditional institution of marriage" that right wing politicos talk about today is actually a pretty new invention. If you go back a 100 years or so (and beyond) you will discover that marrying for love was a relatively rare occurence. Marriage was a political and social tool well before it was a "cherised union between a man and a woman". (context = western world). Just some new information.

-IR
 
2005-06-22 05:01:39 PM  
What does fighting in Iraq have to do with serving the US?
 
2005-06-22 05:03:31 PM  
crawlspace

Do me a favor? Calm the Fark down. It's people like you who get confused with people like me, and I hate when I get attacked as if I were a rabid rightwingnut like you are making yourself out to be.

You don't have to be the redneck redstater steryotype y'know?

Take a deep breath, relax, and make a counter point that consists of more than shouting insults.

Please? You make your whole 'side' look bad, and anyone even in the direction of your 'side'.

/God save us from the binary Farkers.
 
2005-06-22 05:05:01 PM  
D_The_Duck

I think you are missing my point. Those that signed up in peacetime to get a free ride to college or be in the reserves to make some money and complain now that they have been activated make me sick. They are an insult to all of those who signed up with the intent serve their country, not take advantage of it for a buck.

Which movie military character do you like more: John Winger (Bill Murray) in Stripes, or Neidermeyer in Animal House?
 
2005-06-22 05:05:16 PM  
bojangles

noble effort, but it's likely for naught.

just consider it balance in and of itself. i'll trade you crawlspace for steve french.
 
2005-06-22 05:06:54 PM  
The House on Wednesday approved a constitutional amendment that would give Congress the power to ban desecration of the American flag, a measure that for the first time stands a chance of passing the Senate as well.

WOW. Fark's gonna be real empty if this goes thru. All the crunchy flag burners will be in jail. We can finally have some real intellectual threads.


Yeah, like this?

Tell me, does it ever get to you being stuck in that toll booth all day? Or how about your second job, manning the gloryhole at 'The Guilded Lilly'?

Look son, when you and mommy are discussing politics while you shave her back tonite, please ask her for a clue and a brief english lesson, as you are in dire need of both.


"Intellectual thread on Fark" is out like Crystal Pepsi, don'tcha know. It's all a clusterfark of shiat-slinging nowadays.
 
2005-06-22 05:06:58 PM  
IRelayer
If you go back a 100 years or so (and beyond) you will discover that marrying for love was a relatively rare occurence.

And if you go back THOUSANDS of years, you will find that marraige has almost universally been understood to be between a man and a woman (sometimes multiple). Even when homosexuality carried no stigma (greece for example), marraige was still reserved to male/female couples.

Just some OLD information

And yes, marrying for 'love' is relatively new. What has that got to do with anything?
 
2005-06-22 05:07:49 PM  
heap

EEEEEK! Don't even mention French!

No deal!!! No deal man!!!!
 
2005-06-22 05:09:05 PM  
In regards to the new amendment that would allow congress to ban flag-burning:

"Ask the men and women who stood on top of the (World) Trade Center," said Rep. Randy (Duke) Cunningham, R Calif. "Ask them and they will tell you: pass this amendment."

Oh. My. God.
 
2005-06-22 05:09:08 PM  
crawlspace
You're coming unglued, dork. You're also 'bloody bored at work', or so you claim. Tell me, does it ever get to you being stuck in that toll booth all day? Or how about your second job, manning the gloryhole at 'The Guilded Lilly'?

Hey, what's it like in high school? It's been a while for me. Do they still give book reports? And have your pubes starting growing in yet?
 
2005-06-22 05:09:52 PM  
2005-06-22 04:56:26 PM Skeezix

Wouldn't it be great if Bush decided to take with him all of the other prominent neocons who also avoided serving in Vietnam???

Bill Clinton's a neocom???
 
2005-06-22 05:12:46 PM  
jgm1976 [TotalFark]

jgm1976: So you are openly rooting for the United States to fail?

kevin5lynn: I am. Here's why:
The USA acted very agressively, conquered another nation, without any cause whatsoever.
This is incredibly dangerous behavior. The US must fail, so that it will not be tempted to act in the same manner again.
/because if Iraq HAD been a cakewalk, who would you have invaded next?

So do any Democrats want to second kevin5lynn's opinion?


Ya, I'll second it. Historically, countries that get too powerful fail, then they come back witha bit more sensibility, a lot more prudence, and a bit less hubrus. I think the long term success of the constitution and our ideals as set forth in the DOI are in danger of being lost if we do not take a substantially increased time for introspection. I think our current power comes with responsibilities that end up distracting us from our core values, corrupting us to a point that we think of protecting our position as a value, instead of being created as equals, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It's not so much about Iraq failing, as us realizing that we have become topheavy, and now have a citizenry trained to support our government, instead of the reverse. With particular regard to Iraq, I think the soldiers got screwed, I remember the oath quite clearly from when I took it, and it doesn't say shiat about spreading freedom and democracy, or even protecting people... their job is to protect the Constitution of the United States, and I think regime change in Iraq was about as relevant to that job as fark is to mine.

Much Love,
Firefly
 
2005-06-22 05:13:29 PM  
It's weird.
I don't like Cats, but I have a soft spot for catsuits


Even when they give me a headache looking at them
 
2005-06-22 05:14:02 PM  
LincolnLogolas

"Ask the men and women who stood on top of the (World) Trade Center," said Rep. Randy (Duke) Cunningham, R Calif.

shameless political grandstanding using 9-11 victims aside, its actually kinda funny. See, there weren't any people standing on the top of the world trade center: the doors to the roof in both buildings was locked. So he's not only asking that we ask dead people what they think, but dead people who didn't even exist in the first place.

Randy Duke's been smokin from the freedom pipe again...
 
2005-06-22 05:14:19 PM  
burke1253

You are from Jersey? You do know you are from a BLUE state, right?
 
2005-06-22 05:15:04 PM  
And yes, marrying for 'love' is relatively new. What has that got to do with anything?

 
2005-06-22 05:15:30 PM  
Historically, countries that get too powerful fail, then they come back witha bit more sensibility, a lot more prudence, and a bit less hubrus

OOOOO! OOoOOO!

Examples please?
 
2005-06-22 05:16:21 PM  
Randy Duke's been smokin from the freedom pipe again...

And getting illicit under the table donations from defense contractors.

-IR
 
2005-06-22 05:16:22 PM  
crawlspace:

You're coming unglued, dork. You're also 'bloody bored at work', or so you claim. Tell me, does it ever get to you being stuck in that toll booth all day? Or how about your second job, manning the gloryhole at 'The Guilded Lilly'?

You know, it's shiatbags like you who've made me briefly question some of the choices that I've made in my life, especially those which concern defending people and serving people.

I've fought on two continents as a Marine, so the least you could do is save the word "son" for the little boy you'll be assraping tonight at the Boyscout function.

I don't work in a booth, I work in a courtroom, I defend people on a daily basis from the tyrany of the state, and occasionally I help insure that innocent people don't go to prison.

As I said earlier, I'll glady take you up on your earlier invitation and hand you your ass.

If you were half the patriot you pretend to be you'd have enlisted and gone to fight for your leader's lies.

Only after you've seen war first hand will you understand that NOTHING GOOD can come from it.

I'm finished owning you right now, I think I'll go play with the toys that your taxdollar funded education have enabled me to have, that is just after I put sunscreen on the scar that your defense has left me with. It itches like hell when it gets sunburned.

Good day.
 
2005-06-22 05:16:50 PM  


/holds nose, plunges into flamewar anyway

Seriously, has it occurred to anybody here that many of the same people piling on Bush for Vietnam were just fine with Howard Dean exempting himself from military duty for having a bad back right before taking a skiing vacation? It's just a convenient ad hominem attack that would have never garnered any support if Dean were the candidate.

As for Kerry, the only reason anybody cared about his Vietnam service with respect to his presidential bid was because he made it the centerpiece of his DNC speech in the first place. He exaggerated his own record, and he got slammed for it. I don't fully trust the Swift Boat Vets either, but you don't need to in order to see that some of the charges had merit, and Kerry's campaign even admitted as much. I didn't give a crap about either candidate's Vietnam record when I placed my vote because they've both got their own political records off which I could make a judgement. However, other voters put more stock in candidates' war records than I do (Kerry apparently thought so, too, or else he wouldn't have framed his DNC speech the way he did), and you can't just let major exaggerations about said records fly, lest these voters be unfairly duped, especially when Kerry put so much emphasis on his own.

Pop quiz: From memory, can you list all the medals that John McCain won from his service in Vietnam? Most people can't. Know why? Cuz he doesn't brag about it!

If Democrats want to blame anybody for the hits Kerry took from the Swifties, blame Kerry himself for bringing it all up. Or blame Michael Moore. He was the dumbass who dredged up the since-revived Bush = AWOL charges in early 2004 that helped sink the Clark campaign and helped give rise to the Vietnam meme for Kerry's campaign.



TO WESLEY CLARK!
 
2005-06-22 05:17:35 PM  
SherKhan

ZOINK! Score!

Another point scored for the keyboard replacement industry!
 
2005-06-22 05:17:38 PM  
BojanglesPaladin
And if you go back THOUSANDS of years, you will find that marraige has almost universally been understood to be between a man and a woman (sometimes multiple). Even when homosexuality carried no stigma (greece for example), marraige was still reserved to male/female couples.
Just some OLD information
And yes, marrying for 'love' is relatively new. What has that got to do with anything?


You said it yourself -- "sometimes multiple". In other words, no particular aspect of the institution of marriage is inviolate. In history, sometimes men have multiple wives. Sometimes men have wives *and* concubines. Sometimes women aren't allowed to get divorces. And for most of the history of marriage, you didn't marry who you wanted to, and there wasn't any individual freedom to marry, anyway -- it was a sociopolitical tool.

So the fact that marriage has generally been between one or men and one or more women demonstrates its history as a breeding arrangement for producing heirs. What does that have to do with Americans' rights here and now?

Maybe we should repeal women's suffrage -- after all, for most of history, women couldn't vote, either. If tradition is your only defense for denying gays the right to marry, then you haven't got a defense. Why are all those other departures from tradition okay, and not this one?

Why are you so afraid of gays, anyway? Were you molested at sleepaway camp?
 
2005-06-22 05:18:26 PM  
BojanglesPaladin

Examples please?

There was that country that started WWII...
 
2005-06-22 05:19:19 PM  
Immaculate_Misconception

You ever wonder why both Lord of the Rings' and Harry Potter's trolls were so chubby?

Because someone kept feeding them.
 
2005-06-22 05:19:21 PM  
BojanglesPaladin [TotalFark]

IRelayer
If you go back a 100 years or so (and beyond) you will discover that marrying for love was a relatively rare occurence.

And if you go back THOUSANDS of years, you will find that marraige has almost universally been understood to be between a man and a woman (sometimes multiple). Even when homosexuality carried no stigma (greece for example), marraige was still reserved to male/female couples.

Just some OLD information

And yes, marrying for 'love' is relatively new. What has that got to do with anything?


It's not relevant... marriage was a religious institution, until we tried to usurp the power from God by making marriage the providence of government. They don't really read the bible though, so that whole 'render unto Caesar blah blah' doesn't click so well with them. If we stopped trying to mix laws and sacraments, the problem would be solved. (Hey so-called conservatives, wrap around this: The best way to protect an institution from political action is not to regulate it from the government in the first place)

Firefly
 
2005-06-22 05:19:23 PM  
BojanglesPaladin

Historically, countries that get too powerful fail, then they come back witha bit more sensibility, a lot more prudence, and a bit less hubrus

OOOOO! OOoOOO!

Examples please?


Mongorians?
 
2005-06-22 05:20:15 PM  
Colgate:

Castro tried to become a nuke power. A tin pot dictator with the power to negotiate while holding the nuclear hammer is not something the USA aspires to see become commonplace. Think much?

Wow, talk about a total ignorance of history. Russian nuclear missiles were placed in Cuba in response to the Bay of Pigs invasion which was, yep, you got it, an unwarrented attack on a free people by your government. Think at all?
 
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