I guess it's not such a bad thing that Pat Tillman died after all. I'd hate to think he'd have to be attacked for his service like John Kerry and John McCain have.

No one in administration must be able to feel shame.

2005-06-22 11:29:38 AM kevin5lynn

Liberals have, literally, changed the world (for the better).

Bush wants to push it back, but he's hardly successfull at it.

And what is it that Bush want's to push back, exactly?

Moderator:

Colgate is going to take a little time to reevaluate his posting style, and hopefully he'll return tomorrow a little wiser and a little less hostile.

oops, didn't notice he was booted, i'll refrain from making any more comments in his absence

Good Headline...

Bush still rocks.

look, kids, it's all about money. big big money.

the damn liberals want to spend money on PEOPLE, i want to spend it on BOMBS.

the damn liberals want to actually pay for their government. i want to just run up the ole' credit card and let the next guy worry about paying it off.

son of secret police:

right!!!! all that money we're spending isn't on government, it's on....uh.... terra. yeah, that's it.

Republicans are just as guilty as the Democrats of being big government statists.

danlpoon: You go deficit boy!

Interesting that you should bring up the deficit. While left wing liberals would have you believe that the national deficit will bring death and destruction to us, the historical facts are that national deficits in fact do no such things.

The deficit is NOT the monster that it is made out to be. The country grows and thrives no matter. It's another alarmist tactic much like global warming.

Now that I've introduced a few more arguing points, pick your direction. There still is no concrete proof that anythign we have been talking about has any real impact on anything, but then again, it's fun to flamewar, isn't it?

Or can I just summarize and say "We DON'T AGREE!" and leave it at that?

Progress is brought by the free markets. Big government is brought to us by liberals

American Democratic governments = socialists
American Republican Governments = socialists

The hair is so thin it cannot be split.

free markets
Except for "garage-based hair-braiding salons" show me one "free" market in America?

"And what is it that Bush want's to push back, exactly?" (sic)

well, for one thing: freedom.

Anyway, the people who voted for President Bush and continue to support him are stupid.

whorehopper

And here come the semi-pro shills, who will do anything to keep this discussion from being about anything other than the headline.
B...But Clinton!

I think we need to introduce a corollary to Godwin's Law regarding 'the C word'. It could state that whoever says 'the C word' to try to derail an attack on Dear Leader is a complete and utter dumbfark, but of course we already knew that.

sonnyboy11


You know, if I acted like that at work- stay the course, never learn from my mistakes and change direction- I would have been fired a long time ago. You don't reward people for being narrow-minded and unable to grow and learn and admit mistakes... unless they are a Republican president, apparently.

You're a flip-flopping librul waffler. If you're driving down a road and you see a big hole in front of you, you should obviously Stay The Course. If you don't, you're a traitor.

sigdiamond2000

I'd bet a months pay that Colgate's got a copy of The Turner Diaries on his shelf.

This is what I thought of as well. Luckily NASCAR, Blue Collar TV, and increasinly cute cousins will prevent that particular "revolution" from ever happening.

danlpoon:

Except for "garage-based hair-braiding salons" show me one "free" market in America?

They're all free. Sorry you missed it.

"the historical facts are that national deficits in fact do no such things."

right! we can borrow forever and never worry about a thing.

kevin5lynn: USA learns that adventures like that are costly, never supports it again.

Not gonna happen anytime soon. Both parties operate on the strategy of creating a regime change in any country deemd a threat to it's neighbors or the US in general.
We haven't learned what a mess that creates. ItSOP so we just keep doing it.
Duh el stupido pete and repeat situation, urks me.

scraping-fetus-off-the-wheel:
Anybody gonna credit Clinton for normalizing relations with Vietnam?


He did it for the poontang!
Hmmm... tang...

forditude

Um, yeah. Progress is brought by the free markets.

Perhaps you mean technological progress? That's not what I meant (althought, I could argue that technological progress is brought to YOU by mainly liberal people).

I was talking about civil rights, feminism, things like that...

Lemme throw this "Concept of Conspiracy" out there.

Christians believe, inevitably, that Christ is coming. They belive it will be soon. They believe it is in their dogmatic responsibility to bring as many people to Jesus as possible. They believe that the seat of the second coming is in the middle east. They believe they are the soldiers for the return of Jesus and the progression of Armageddon, the rebirth of man and the ascension of the pure into heaven.

Take all that and validate it against Bush's actions. He has managed to get an entire army into the middleeast, into the seat of what some consider the center of the second coming. He is spending the American economy like there is no tomorrow (because maybe he believes that there is really no tomorrow). He is force feeding his Christian agenda down every open throat he and his people can find. He supports Israel no matter what they do, which is basically destabilizing the entire region and he believes he was chosen for the presidency by none other than God him/her-self.

Does anyone see the implications of this?

/Removes tin hat from head
//Pins on Pro-W pin
///Waits quietly for the End of Days

kevin5lynn, The Icelander

Ah, the argument that you can't support something without actually participating in it. You guys crack me up, espically the one from Montreal. It's not even in your country farktard. MYOB

A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence

Sour grapes, envy, jealousy, spite. Pick one, they all apply in some way.

"Sour grapes" doesn't apply, actually. Democrats still want the office of the presidency and have never said anything to the contrary. The more you know, Pinto.

A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence
So eat me.

And thus, the sum of your argument here.

Not really. Just goofiness at the end of quite a bit of legitimate discourse... all of which you ignored, since you being insulting and smug wouldn't have looked good in response.

Your arrogance and divisive rhetoric is hurting this country. Is that simple enough for you?

That's not the sad part, though. What's sad is you had a cheerleading section for such a message.

The cheerleading was for the meat, not the garnish. I think what's really sad is that you're so convinced that anyone who disagrees with you is a misinformed boob that you aren't even capable of recognizing actual reasonable ideas anymore.

A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence

And what is it that Bush want's to push back, exactly?

Well, things like Social Security, for example.

Or amending the Constitution to deprive people of some freedom!

Or cutting in social programs that have helped those in need...

Or by cutting stem cell research...

So, yeah, those kinds of things.

Needs an tag.

kevin5lynn:

Perhaps you mean technological progress? That's not what I meant (althought, I could argue that technological progress is brought to YOU by mainly liberal people).

Liberal people staying out of the damn way maybe.

I was talking about civil rights, feminism, things like that...

We don't need government intervention in states rights issues.

So wait. Are you saying that rich people start the wars, but only poor people die in them? I'm SHOCKED!

Instead of dying FOR the rich while killing strangers, the poor could just eliminate the middleman and die while killing the rich.

Isn't that called "revolution" or something?

Cue the "distribution of wealth" graphic (no html skillz)

They're all free. Sorry you missed it.

You cannot dabble in (hardly) ANY market without licensure from some branch of american government.

Lawyer-Bar, Dr.-Dr.ing license, Contractor's = State license. hairdresser-State license. Stock trader- SEC approval.

The US Government is "in" every aspect of the market. Hence, not at all "free".

Show me an occupation worth having that the government can't take away from me.

kevin5lynn

We also have laws that take away the freedom of people to molest children, yell fire in a movie theatre and those sorts of things. Are you an anarchist? Should we all be left to our own devices? (Except for Bush?) All laws regulate freedoms. He has an opinion on how that freedom should be regulated. I don't agree, but if the 2/3 of the country does, it will be law. I don't see what's wrong with that. It's not like saying you can't be homosexual, it's just not granting the privleges of marrige to them. Saying they aren't inherently endowed with that right.

bakatare

The deficit is NOT the monster that it is made out to be. The country grows and thrives no matter.

What's interesting about the deficit is that someone owns it. In the USA's case, it's increasingly China that owns the deficit.

The impact is that, as the USA relies more and more on debt, lending countries start calling the shots (you will lower so and so tariffs, otherwise we'll increase our lending percentage).

Also, as you and your children pay off the debt, that's money that's not actually being spent on anyone or anything. not the roads, not healthcare, not education. It's just like throwing it in a big hole.

PresidentPutz: Does anyone see the implications of this?



I do and I am not afrain to say it. There is a Dominionist movement afoot and it aint pretty.


Got no tin hat, don't need one, juz call me lead head:)
kidding (about the lead headonly)

I was talking about civil rights, feminism,Great Depression, Oh wait, that was big RR and oil business and the failure of government to stem anti-trust. Sorry.

danlpoon:

You cannot dabble in (hardly) ANY market without licensure from some branch of american government.

That has nothing to do with the fact that anyone can still choose to open these types of businesses and compete with others, and that the end choices are still up to consumers. I don't agree with unnecessary licensing either, but free markets mean that both producers and consumers, not the government, dictate their wants and needs.

D_The_Duck

Ah, the argument that you can't support something without actually participating in it.

I'm not sure what you refer to here?

It's not even in your country farktard. MYOB

Does that invalidate any of my opinions?

/Montreal in the summer, you should see the ladies!!!

Hahahahaha, best headline of the day.

xebeche_tzu:

Instead of dying FOR the rich while killing strangers, the poor could just eliminate the middleman and die while killing the rich.



Eat the Rich then go outside and eat some cars...

The squeaky wheel tantrum throwers will be running for cover if the silent simmering pot in this country ever rises up and boils over.

Sadly, I think you are right about this. More right than anyone will give you credit for. I don't think we're on the brink, but we can see the brink from here.

I don't think people realize just how close to a full-fledged fascist uprising this country is right now. Mark my words, if a radioactive "dirty bomb" goes off in an American city tomorrow, there will be no stopping the downward spiral.

no nation in the history of the world has had a deficit anywhere near as great as ours, i've heard people say that this isn't a problem, but those people obviously don't know what they are talking about, they just listen to their governmental overlords (both parties, whenever they are in power) tell them that it's ok and don't bother looking into it (shocking i know). do you have any idea what the value of a dollar is based on? gold? silver?, no, not anymore, it's based on your belief that is has value, that's it. the only reason it has value is because everyone believes it does, no other reason. so, by extension, it's value is tied to peoples confidence in the united states government, and the first time, the first time we are force to default on a loan or bond, that confidence is shattered, probably irreparably. and all those dollars we have tucked away in a bank somewhere are basically worthless (think ruple after the collapse of the soviet union), ignoring the deficit is just about the most destructive thing we can do to our country, this is the most important problem to be addressed by every administration (by contrast gay marriage is, i believe 1257th on the list), and yet no politician wants to raise taxes, so we dig the hole deeper and deeper to our own ruin. the good news is it probably won't happen in our lifetime

bakatare: Kerry's well documented record of changing his position

Only fools never change their minds.
And Bush flip-flops on the "why" of Iraq about once a month, btw, why don't you call him names?

Clavis:

Clavis [TotalFark]

A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence
Please chew those grapes before you swallow. You might choke.

"sour grapes - denial of the desirability of something after one has found out that it cannot be reached or acquired"

Not relevant. Rush has been feeding you the wrong talking points.



I've been down this road before with him. He can't seem to use or comprehend popular phrases, even after explanations.

Doesn't stop him though.

D_The_Duck
Ah, the argument that you can't support something without actually participating in it.

Yeah, now we all know where you stand


(safely on the sidelines)

forditude

We don't need government intervention in states rights issues.

Doesn't the Constitution trump state rights?

gilgigamesh: Neither is anonymously talking like a tough guy on the internets.

Don't let it get you in a wad. Mods gave him a day off so he won't be responding.

Take heart laddy, take heart.

PresidentPutz

Lemme throw this "Concept of Conspiracy" out there.

Christians believe, inevitably, that Christ is coming. They belive it will be soon. They believe it is in their dogmatic responsibility to bring as many people to Jesus as possible. They believe that the seat of the second coming is in the middle east. They believe they are the soldiers for the return of Jesus and the progression of Armageddon, the rebirth of man and the ascension of the pure into heaven.

Take all that and validate it against Bush's actions. He has managed to get an entire army into the middleeast, into the seat of what some consider the center of the second coming. He is spending the American economy like there is no tomorrow (because maybe he believes that there is really no tomorrow). He is force feeding his Christian agenda down every open throat he and his people can find. He supports Israel no matter what they do, which is basically destabilizing the entire region and he believes he was chosen for the presidency by none other than God him/her-self.

Does anyone see the implications of this?

/Removes tin hat from head
//Pins on Pro-W pin
///Waits quietly for the End of Days

Don't forget the Prophecy of Malachy. Also don't forget that George talks to Jesus every day, and that God actively tells George what to do.

But I don't buy into that. Any of it. Someone as truly evil as him couldn't be as naive and stupid as that. It all comes down to giving his supporters a warm and fuzzy feeling as he prepares to fark them up the ass without lube. He needs to pull in the good 'ol boys, so he portrays himself as a Texas ranch-guy, the old Noble Cowboy type. Of course, that's complete bullshiat, and you'll never see the man on a horse. Then he pleases the extreme religious right by legislating his "religion" upon the nation. Then he appeases the middle-class yupster Born Again Christians by being one of them as well.

All the while he undoes the belt of this nation, and gets himself ready to penetrate. He is an evil, vile man.

milk_plus

"I guess it's not such a bad thing that Pat Tillman died after all. I'd hate to think he'd have to be attacked for his service like John Kerry and John McCain have.
No one in administration must be able to feel shame."

Got a quote from someone in the administration attacking Kerry's or McCain's service? I am assuming that you have some shame and would not just be throwing out accusations

The deficit is NOT the monster that it is made out to be. The country grows and thrives no matter.

This is perhaps the dumbest thing I have ever, EVER seen on Fark.com. Words fail my disgust for this type of thinking.

suebhoney
"As a Delawarian, I've heard quite a bit, but he had a lot of trouble last time he ran, so we'll have to wait and see. The Republican smear campaign is a tough nut to crack. Unless you're Jeff Gannon ;)"

Yeah that Republican smear campaign really did a great job when they forced Biden to plagiarize