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(Monterey Herald)   Bill Frist almost admits he was wrong. In other news, there's a pig hovering like a hummingbird outside your window   (montereyherald.com) divider line 356
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2005-06-16 02:24:52 PM
The farking lesson Frist should have learned, and told us all, was that the court system that spent 15 years on this case and engaged numerous experts and carefully listened to all the arguments reached the correct conclusion, while pandering attention-whoring Congress that spent all of a few days on the case unsurprisingly got it wrong. He should have said he wouldn't do it all again, that a knee-jerk action pandering to extreme positions wasn't wise, and that an hour watching a video is insufficient to make any medical conclusions at all, and that he was an idiot to have even tried. He should stick to playing god with small animals if he absolutely must, and leave the big decisions to people with more wisdom than himself.
 
2005-06-16 02:31:45 PM
Why does everyone here hate America and Freedom?
 
2005-06-16 02:32:27 PM
coachwdb

I saw the Bush "disassemble" video.


Just for the Bush supporters:
http://www.bartleby.com/68/30/1930.html

dissemble, disassemble (vv.)

As a transitive verb dissemble means "to disguise or to conceal, especially a feeling or an emotion": She dissembled her feelings of fear so well that no one suspected how frightened she was. As an intransitive verb, it means "to pretend, to conceal, to be hypocritical": The only way to fool his captors was to dissemble, to pretend to be cowed. Disassemble is quite unrelated; it means "to take apart": The child disassembled the alarm clock in record time.

The Columbia Guide to Standard American English. 1993.
 
2005-06-16 02:35:07 PM
mbrother

Dude, admitting you made a mistake is a sign of weakness. Didn't you get the memo?
 
2005-06-16 02:35:42 PM
Where the righties at? We haven't heard anything from the Usual Suspects.
 
2005-06-16 02:38:24 PM
Technoblake: Frist is going to tap-dance, whistle some zippy tunes, and exit stage left.

Can I get this on video?
 
2005-06-16 02:43:53 PM
DetectiveSandyV
Most of them are over in the Saudi Arabia nukes thread, telling us how much the rest of us hate freedom.
 
2005-06-16 02:44:28 PM
RobTheNerd: Why does everyone here hate America and Freedom?


If I had to hypothesize I would say it's because they're not getting head from corporations.

That makes it much easier to love America and 'freedom'.
 
2005-06-16 02:45:12 PM
"I never made the diagnosis, I wouldn't even attempt to make a diagnosis from a videotape," said Frist, a heart surgeon.

Well, diagnosis or no, he did attempt to craft legislation and government regulation from a videotape, "states rights" be damned. Which is worse, whore?

If this skidmark had any standing as a physician, then he wouldn't be defiling the country from his perch on Capitol Hill. To quote Scalia: "Quack, quack!"
 
2005-06-16 02:48:44 PM
Lord_Baull:

you sir, are the one that needs to follow. i won't get into the specifics of the allusion, but perhaps one of our fellow farkers might be a sweetheart.

Detective Sandy V.:

Lord_Baull, your Pwnership of Immaculate Misconception made me spit Microwave Johnny Cakes all over my monitor.

Well, ok, I'm big enough to admit when I've screwed the proverbial pooch.

/happens to the best of us occasionally
 
2005-06-16 02:54:03 PM
Oh, and on neither this thread nor yesterday's did I see the_gospel_of_thomas, weaver95, or dancin_in_anson

Must've been busy days at the offices once the autopsy reports came out.

They are under their rock waiting for Rush to give the signal that its OK to come out.
 
2005-06-16 02:54:13 PM
Programmer Cat: And, unlike smeegle, I do think that violence is a solution. It's not the best, but it's a solution nonetheless. If you don't agree, ask Napoleon and Hitler.

Unlike you, I don't think that violence is a solution--not my solution, anyway. BUT if you were busy running members of the political class (any political class) through the guillotine, then I wouldn't turn you in--nor would I shed any tears for the deceased.
 
2005-06-16 03:07:54 PM
DrBreRuthlessVillain: Programmer Cat: And, unlike smeegle,



What am I being accused of?
 
2005-06-16 03:10:50 PM
Programmer Cat:

And, unlike smeegle, I do think that violence is a solution. It's not the best, but it's a solution nonetheless.



Ah well, the key point here as that you admit it's not the best solution.
I didn't say it wasn't a solution. I think I said I dont condone it as the solution. Oh what the hell did i say?
I'ts not the end all be all of solutions.
 
2005-06-16 03:13:42 PM
RobTheNerd:

Most of them are over in the Saudi Arabia nukes thread, telling us how much the rest of us hate freedom.



I know I was just over there. Good god they have such a hard on for the farking nukes.
 
2005-06-16 03:22:15 PM
One can only hope that somewhere out there on the horizon, getting ready to surface...is a pornvid of Mr. Frist getting it in the arse by Coulter with a strap on (unless it truly has been tucked all this time)
He'll be weeping tears of joy while she will be saying "giddyup"

One can only hope that some where somehow, the cameras are rolling:)
somewhere in kitty heaven, all the kitties he killed will be singing kitty hymns.

Would anyone else like a hit from the hukka?
 
2005-06-16 03:30:09 PM
Would anyone else like a hit from the hukka?

Yeah, yeah, ahnd that here........Yeah, thanks. Hey, anyone else hungry?

Frist admitted he was wrong, but he did it wrong. And now everyone is throwing his words back at him. He MUST be a Farker!
 
2005-06-16 03:40:15 PM
Frist's "apology" told me what I needed to know and affirmed my expectations. What a nice vindication.

Last night on Aaron Brown, he tried to get some sort of an apology from some spokesperson of some rightswatch group or something. Never got it. Brown did a quick "Thank you very much bla bla" and the d*ck had to talk over him to say thanks. Never mind, point was made, and I hope the middle in this country got the message.

When Bush was elected, I stated that the American people got what they deserved. They knew what was coming, and he is a personification of the Republican Party at it's most naive. The Democratic Party was not perfect, but it's rebuilding with Dean. And if you think those statements hurt Democrats, they only seperated the wheat from the chafe (sp?).

/Newly registered Democrat and proud to be helping.
 
2005-06-16 03:41:53 PM
Haizum:

No, my take is your take...

...but injecting 'DIEBOLD' into the conversation is pretty useless.



Well, many seem to believe that every Repub scandal like this means the end and I think we're beyond that. There are always posts that cheer and cry that this is the final nail in the coffin. I disagree.

We're through the looking glass, into an era where spin is more important than truth. My point was that they don't need to steal elections (not really convinced they have either) through a rigged vote, they can rely exclusively on the spin now.

Frist did his job, he reminded Christian Right WIngers of just how persecuted they are, and how patently murderous their Democrat neighbors are.
 
2005-06-16 03:47:20 PM
danlpoon: Frist admitted he was wrong, but he did it wrong.

Anyone remember the Happy Days episode when Fonzie was trying to apoligize and he couldn't say the word "wrong"?

"I was wrooooon...wraaaang..."
 
2005-06-16 03:51:55 PM
someone should sue him for malpractice
 
2005-06-16 03:56:57 PM
whorehopper

Hey, Frist is no Fonz. Don't even make the comparison.
 
2005-06-16 04:02:35 PM
smeegle:

Ah well, the key point here as that you admit it's not the best solution.
I didn't say it wasn't a solution. I think I said I dont condone it as the solution. Oh what the hell did i say?
I'ts not the end all be all of solutions.


The whole point of democracy is that it gives us a way to remove our leaders from power without having to resort to violence. That's what scares me about the current climate: if democracy stops working for that purpose, then violence will eventually become necessary.
 
2005-06-16 04:07:25 PM
Mnemia:

if democracy stops working for that purpose, then violence will eventually become necessary.


where? in what context?
 
2005-06-16 04:08:57 PM
someone should sue him for malpractice

Hmmm. Interesting...
 
2005-06-16 04:11:01 PM
Detective Sandy V.

Where the righties at? We haven't heard anything from the Usual Suspects.


And you won't, either. There's no possible way to defend a man like Frist. A man who believes that you can contract HIV through tears. A man who adopted cats from the animal shelter, and then cut them open for his own sick pleasure. A man who deliberately LIES about things that comes out of his own mouth.

They're all over in the "We captured Zarqawi's second in command! Again" thread, because they can at least pretend that their "side" is doing something right.
 
2005-06-16 04:16:16 PM
Worst. MSPaint. Evar.

 
2005-06-16 04:22:25 PM
Frist lied? But I thought that the Republicans had honor and integrity! But, but, ... my pastor said...
 
2005-06-16 04:24:27 PM
smeegle: where? in what context?

Here, in the United States, eventually. I don't think that it's gotten close to that point yet, but things seem to be going in that direction. For example, look at how many Congressional races are basically "fixed" through gerrymandering, etc. Eventually this trend seems like it may morph into a system where citizens have absolutely no say in who runs the government. Electronic voting could ensure that if the politicians continue to refuse to put security and accountability measures in place.

When enough people get too pissed off by a government and can do nothing democratically to promote change, then you get revolutions.
 
2005-06-16 04:24:58 PM
LincolnLogolas:

They're all over in the "We captured Zarqawi's second in command! Again" thread, because they can at least pretend that their "side" is doing something right.



Yes they are over there too, and it's unbelievably ugly.
 
2005-06-16 04:26:13 PM
Mnemia:

Eventually this trend seems like it may morph into a system where citizens have absolutely no say in who runs the government.



Oh we are already there.
 
2005-06-16 04:28:39 PM
Mnemia:

When enough people get too pissed off by a government and can do nothing democratically to promote change, then you get revolutions.



No unfortunatley , we have Kent State. There are other ways but they are difficult ways. I still believe in the balance of power - for a little while anyway. I was worried when Frist was leading the fillibuster fight though.
 
2005-06-16 04:31:09 PM
So when will the Theocons apologize for claiming that Mr. Schiavo beat his wife and was trying to kill her so that he could become rich? What happened to all of the honor and integrity that the Theocons always claim they oh so value?
 
2005-06-16 04:41:09 PM
smeegle

Yes they are over there too, and it's unbelievably ugly.


I popped in to shoot off a comment, and was promptly accused of trolling by Haizum of all people.
 
2005-06-16 04:43:49 PM
Jagasian

So when will the Theocons apologize for claiming that Mr. Schiavo beat his wife and was trying to kill her so that he could become rich? What happened to all of the honor and integrity that the Theocons always claim they oh so value?


Being Republican means never having to say you were wrong or at fault for anything.

If you're wrong, you just deny that you said something. Rumsfeld was particularly good about that, when he declared (multiple times) that Saddam Hussein was an "imminent threat", but later stated that he had said no such thing. This is what Frist is doing now.

If you're at fault, just blame an underling. Bush is a king at that.
 
2005-06-16 04:55:23 PM
Frist is an idiot.

Holy fark, we just had an earthquake right now.
 
2005-06-16 05:04:52 PM
I popped in to shoot off a comment, and was promptly accused of trolling by Haizum of all people.

It's haizum v. Eraser in there.

I respect this guy and the freedom fries guy for coming clean, I honestly think these guys are getting on the crest of the anti-conservative wave
 
2005-06-16 05:08:00 PM
Great Legs State


I'm hoping someone can direct me to reference that explains how a med examiner can make their diagnosis on Terry after she wenbt without water and food for 13 days?

I'm sure this was related to post mortem blood work. You see differen't values for chemistries like blood, urea, nitrogen, potassium, creatnine, etc, when dehydrated as opposed to say starvation, where albumin, phosphorous, total protein levels are more affected. Some of these lab values are affected by the natural process of cellular decay, but that's why pathologists are the final say.

Starvation and dehydration are very different processes. In starvation, the body begins to devour itself. The lab values and associated physical findings (brittle nails, lanugo, parotid swelling etc) are different from dehydration, where lab indications are more idicative of organ failures (particularly the kidneys), physical symptoms of fluid loss (decreased organ weight, changes in texture/fluid composition of adipose tissues, etc) and an inability of the body to maintain electrolye balance.

Interestingly enough, a big problem with anorexia nervosa/bulimia is the "binge and purge" cycle which actually supports her husbands claim. Binging and purging with diuretics/laxatives/vomiting can often lead to catastrophic imbalances in the bodies homeostasis. What lead to Terry's PVS (if I understand correctly) was a heart attack in which her brain was deprived of oxygen past the 7 minute mark (where irreversible cell death begins to occur). The electrolytes responsible for maintaining electrocardiophysiology (calcium, potassium, and sodium) are some of the ones most immediately affected by diuretics and laxatives. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that this is what led to Terry's heart attack. With frequent vomiting, you get a disruption of the acid-base balance leading to a metabolic alkalosis, which can also be fatal. I'm not exactly sure how the pathologist came to the conclusion that 15 years ago she was not suffering from an eating disorder, unless he's ruling out immediate physical symptoms (like an eroded esophagus or acid damaged tooth enamel).

In closing, I am not a doctor, so take everything I say with a grain of salt. what Frist did was evil, plain and simple. You could tell by looking at the CT/MRI pictures of her brain that the physical structures for higher thought processes were completely absent from those scans. He pandered to the retarded religous right, confident that they were too stupid to question his "lurned" opinion. It embarrasses me he is my state senator. Instead of taking this opportunity for grandstanding for the retarded religous right (the RRR as I like to call them), he chould've taken this opportunity to show all of those young women/girls out there that this is the path their eating disorder is going to lead them to and encourage them to get help.
 
2005-06-16 05:39:14 PM
Almost admitting you're an assclown doesn't make you less of an assclown. Almost admitting something means you are NOT admitting it.
 
2005-06-16 05:47:55 PM
Personally I would like to hear the opinions of DasWiggy, Major Thomb, Colgate, uclajd, and fatcrackerUSA on this backpeddling.

That is, if fatcrackerUSA can tear himself away from the office for a few moments...
 
2005-06-16 06:01:08 PM
Frist is an amazing man. Even with both feet firmly crammed into his lying mouth he still manages to dance around an actual apology. Way to go, Dr. Bombay.

/Quack, quack, quack.
 
2005-06-16 06:21:08 PM
"no no no, go past that part. In fact, never play that again."
 
2005-06-16 06:22:04 PM
He isn't even the right kind of friggin' doctor to make that kind of judgement call. What a tool.
 
2005-06-16 07:33:51 PM
"Persistent vegetative state, which is what the court has ruled -- I question it. I question it based on a review of the video footage which I spent an hour or so looking at last night in my office here in the Capitol. And that footage, to me, depicts something very different than persistent vegetative state."

"I raised the question, 'Is she in a persistent vegetative state or not?' I never made the diagnosis, never said that she was not."

QUE SE VAYAN TODOS!
 
2005-06-16 07:34:16 PM
LincolnLogolas: Being Republican means never having to say
you're sorry?
 
2005-06-16 07:43:51 PM
i didn't get AIDS from sweat or tears. i got AIDS from listening to the paranoid propaganda and ridiculous bullshiat of the republican leadership.
 
2005-06-16 07:44:59 PM
I got AIDS from smoking pot.
 
2005-06-16 07:55:51 PM
What would possess the republicans to lie like they do?

http://www.overspun.com/video/ondrugs.wmv
 
2005-06-16 09:37:44 PM
I wish just one media outlet would have the balls to suprise Frist and play his past comments while he is sitting there and demand an explanation. He's getting off too easy yet again.
He should lose his medical lic. for making a diagnosis based on a video tape.
This guy is the poster child for scumbag, on the take politicians.
From now on he should be known as Bill "kitten killer" Frist. Does anyone have a link for the original story on this with his quotes.
 
2005-06-16 09:38:06 PM
smeegle: Would anyone else like a hit from the hukka?

If you're not making a joke I failed to get, I'll take a sec to point out that it's "hookah", or "hooka", or even "hubbly-bubbly".

AFAIK, it isn't "hukka".

YMMV
 
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