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(Monterey Herald)   Bill Frist almost admits he was wrong. In other news, there's a pig hovering like a hummingbird outside your window   (montereyherald.com) divider line 356
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2005-06-16 10:32:36 AM  
Bullshiat. That lying sack claimed that, after reviewing fifteen year old video for an whole hour, Schiavo 'looks repsonsive' while he was on the Senate floor! Now he says he never said it.

It amazes me the crap these scumbags get away with.


/Damn right I'm angry.
 
2005-06-16 10:38:20 AM  
What Bill Frist, M.D. said on the floor of the Senate, as taken from the text of his speech as quoted on Frist's Senate website:

Persistent vegetative state, which is what the court has ruled -- I question it. I question it based on a review of the video footage which I spent an hour or so looking at last night in my office here in the Capitol. And that footage, to me, depicts something very different than persistent vegetative state. One of the classic textbooks that we use in medicine today is called "Harrisons Principles of Internal Medicine." In the 16th edition, which was published just this year, 2005, on page 1625, it reads, "the vegetative state signifies an awake but unresponsive state. These patients have emerged from coma after a period of days or weeks to an unresponsive state in which the eyelids are open, giving the appearance of wakefulness." I'll stop quoting from the classic internal medicine textbook, but one last sentence, "in the closely related, minimally conscious state, the patient may make intermittent, rudimentary vocal and motor responses."....If you're going to be causing somebody to die with purposeful action, you're not going to want to make a mistake in terms of the diagnosis. I mentioned that Terri's brother told me that Terri laughs, smiles, and tries to speak. Doesn't sound like a woman in persistent vegetative state.

What he said today:

""I raised the question, 'Is she in a persistent vegetative state or not?' I never made the diagnosis, never said that she was not."

what an asshole. I was enamored with this guy after the Capitol shootings, when he went to the aid of several gunshot victims, including the shooter. He had my respect.

He just lost it.
 
2005-06-16 10:39:56 AM  
I'm still waiting for Dr. Bill (a cardiologist, fwiw) to explain how HIV is transmitted through the tears of the infected.
 
2005-06-16 10:41:06 AM  
Backpeddle faster Bill!
 
2005-06-16 10:41:41 AM  
 
2005-06-16 10:44:58 AM  
Just for once, I'd like to see one of these scumbags actually admit to be wrong, rather than pathetically deny having said what they were wrong about in the first place.

No, that's not an unreasonable thing to ask. Now hand me my lance, Sancho!
 
2005-06-16 10:46:06 AM  
How can anybody trust a doctor?
 
2005-06-16 10:46:24 AM  
I'm getting tired of saying this, but this is just another day at the office. It's hard to believe that anyone is surprised that Frist is going to tap-dance, whistle some zippy tunes, and exit stage left.

This is one of the chief architects of a political move that pitted the federal government against a husband of an irretrievably brain-damaged woman. In his effort to placate the radical religeous right-wing of his party, he effectively deficated on the Constitution and the civil rights of Michael Shiavo. He helped drag this country in to an emotional, often vitriolic debate involving people he cared nothing about. He should be castigated publicly.

However, regardless of the "liberal-media" bias that we've all been told about, Mr. Frist will skate on his responsibilities for his actions. No one in power is held accountable for thier political transgressions, and until they are, we will continue to get the government we deserve.
 
2005-06-16 10:47:26 AM  
"I raised the question, 'Is she in a persistent vegetative state or not?' I never made the diagnosis, never said that she was not. I did say that certain tests should be performed to determine that before starving her to death,

Please leave politics. Please leave before we review videotapes of you and we can ponder how much of your brain is left.

The backpedaling in the italics I have quoted tick me off to no end.
 
2005-06-16 10:47:54 AM  
The sad thing is that even if Bill Frist stops raping out pocket book by leaving the Senate, he will still be raping peoples pocket book through his family's for profit hospital chain.
 
2005-06-16 10:48:04 AM  
hey guys lets argure over the internet about it!
 
2005-06-16 10:48:14 AM  
Does anyone know a program that can detect if the word "Schiavo" is on a web page and make me not see it? There's been entirely much ado about ONE FREAKING PERSON. But that's how our news has been for a good twenty years. Whatever.
 
2005-06-16 10:48:26 AM  
Well there's one admittance of being wrong. Now can we farking move on to something else?
 
2005-06-16 10:48:30 AM  
First good laugh of the morning. Nice submitter!
 
2005-06-16 10:48:33 AM  
Yeah, Technoblake, he does suck.
 
Bo
2005-06-16 10:49:04 AM  
"I question it based on a review of the video footage. ... And that footage, to me, depicted something very different than persistent vegetative state," Frist said at the time.

that's why politicians shouldn't pretend to be smart.
 
2005-06-16 10:49:27 AM  
Well, at least he isn't denying the evidence of the autopsy like the rest of the "save Terry" crew.
 
2005-06-16 10:50:53 AM  
Asa Phelps

I'm still waiting for Dr. Bill (a cardiologist, fwiw) to explain how HIV is transmitted through the tears of the infected

Actually he's a cardiothoracic surgeon in addition to being a pandering vote whore. He's my Senator and I actually voted for him, though now if gets the Republican presidential nomination, I'll vote democrat.
 
Bo
2005-06-16 10:51:03 AM  
I believe this also proves that in order to be elected to a federal position, one must undergo a lobotomy.

Bill Frist - former doctor, current imbicile.
 
2005-06-16 10:51:18 AM  


"ohhhh, don't worry. Everyone will be okay"
 
2005-06-16 10:51:42 AM  
 
2005-06-16 10:52:18 AM  
LIAR
 
2005-06-16 10:53:14 AM  
Does anyone know a program that can detect if the word "Schiavo" is on a web page and make me not see it? There's been entirely much ado about ONE FREAKING PERSON. But that's how our news has been for a good twenty years. Whatever.

Just imagine if Terry also went missing, just moments before her wedding. She would have trumped jacko in terms of media coverage!
 
2005-06-16 10:53:21 AM  
Everyone:

Mr. Frist would like to move on. Let us never speak of it again.

Thanks.
 
2005-06-16 10:53:36 AM  
That's a fine headline, submitter.
 
2005-06-16 10:53:53 AM  
I'm proud of him.

But that's only because I have very very low expectations for Frist and he just managed to barely meet those expectations.
 
2005-06-16 10:54:02 AM  
spqr_ca; exactly. Still it would be great for someone to come out for once and admit that they were wrong. I would've if the doctor's had said that the post-mortem proved that she could've recovered.
 
2005-06-16 10:54:24 AM  
"Almost"? He didn't even come close to a farking apology.
 
2005-06-16 10:54:34 AM  
MMMHP, are you saying you're proud of him because he met your expectation of lying or what?
 
2005-06-16 10:55:06 AM  
suebhoney

Backpeddle faster Bill!

Interesting and significant use of "peddle" instead of pedal.
 
2005-06-16 10:55:23 AM  
unwonted: you are looking for greasemonkey. of course, if you just plunge your head deeper into the sand you can accomplish the same thing.
 
2005-06-16 10:55:32 AM  
This headline is just wrong. LarsThorwald laid it out for everyfarker to see. Bill Frist tried to weasel his way out of it.

Funny, I've never seen a weasel that quacks before.
 
2005-06-16 10:55:38 AM  
People get the plug pulled all the time. Either I demand equal airtime for those people or none at all!
 
2005-06-16 10:55:45 AM  
sigdiamond2000: "Almost"? He didn't even come close to a farking apology.

Apolgize? Are you delusional? Trent Lott apologized once.
Once.
 
2005-06-16 10:56:07 AM  
Did anyone catch the Today Show this morning?

I guess Frist and Clinton are teaming up for some sort of Med IT program...Frist looked like he planned for "that liberal asshole Matt Lauer" to bring up the Terri Schiavo incident.

That asshat...You knew what he was going to say before he even opened his mouth. Thankfully he "never made a diagnosis. I never made a diagnosis Matt."

Double the evil though...Especially for so early in the morning
 
2005-06-16 10:56:10 AM  
Frist's presidential ambition pretty much went into a coma with the Schiavo case and I think the results of the autopsy put it out of its misery. He figured that he could ride the Terri wave through the primaries to capture the theocon vote (I saw this reference someplace else and have now adopted it as my own) and then presume that the middle wouldn't really care about it or hold it against him in the general. He miscalculated IMO.
 
2005-06-16 10:56:31 AM  
"I was almost, sort of wrong. But not really. Now let's never speak of it again."

Any time politicians encourage us to 'move on', means they're desperate not to talk about it. If you asked Frist about his admittedly heroic actions during the capitol shooting, or of his benevolent surgical missions to Africa, I'll bet he wouldn't say "that's in the past. Let's move on. We mustn't dwell on the past."

Maybe other right-wing republicans will begin to see the possibilities of science.

Nah.
 
2005-06-16 10:56:33 AM  
To Bill Frist: You're a cock! You're a cock! You're a cock!
 
2005-06-16 10:56:48 AM  
Everyone:

Mr. Frist would like to move on. Let us never speak of it again.

Thanks.


As in moveon.org? ;-)
 
2005-06-16 10:56:54 AM  
He is a disgrace to the medical profession
 
2005-06-16 10:57:18 AM  
Why is it that just because Frist is an alleged doctor, that his 'medical' 'opinion' is now the law of the land? Why didn't the rest of the country just chuckle and remind Bill that numerous official diganoses mean more than his 'opinion'?

Sigh. He's an ass of completely higher-order...suckin' the d**ks of the under-educated and cultureless constituency that makes up most of TN.
 
2005-06-16 10:57:30 AM  
Freepers on Schiavo

"Just because the vision center of her brain was blind doesn't mean her brain couldn't have compensated somewhere else."

"Considering that she died of intentionally inflicted starvation and DEHYDRATION, is it any wonder that her brain was half the size of a normal brain?"

"We have to remember that this is from the WaPo, not a credible news organization, so they might find it convenient to omit certain, necessary facts."

Well we do know that Michael owns the County Sherriff so how hard would it be for him to buy the Medical Examiner. The only way I would have trusted the autopsy is if it was done by the FBI...."


I also sent George Noory a fark you email.
 
Bo
2005-06-16 10:59:28 AM  
BritneysSpeculum
Frist's presidential ambition pretty much went into a coma with the Schiavo case and I think the results of the autopsy put it out of its misery.

So does that mean we can pull his feeding tube?

/please say yes...
 
2005-06-16 11:00:50 AM  
I'm still trying to find where he admits he was wrong in the article, submitter.

I see him saying that he never said what we know he said, and that what he said didn't mean what he meant it to sound like at the time, and I see him trying to close this case with a quickness. Nowhere do I see him admitting that what he did was either in error or wrong, whatsoever.
 
2005-06-16 11:01:16 AM  
I would love to see a debate about the medical policies of the country between Dr. Frist and Dr. Dean.
 
2005-06-16 11:01:17 AM  
Frist, and other doctor politicians, probably run a much finer line than we think we they are commenting on medical related topics. I'm sure that if he were to make remarks that were blatantly misleading about medicine he could be censured by his peers. I know it has come close a number of times, I doubt the New England Journal of Medicine liked his comments about AIDS. Being part of a profession, every thing he says about medicine to the American people is something he can be held accountable for.
 
2005-06-16 11:01:28 AM  
pontechango

This headline is just wrong.


OK, I didn't see the "almost". The headline is A-OK. I was wrong. There, I said it. I was wrong.

*bows head in shame*
 
2005-06-16 11:02:44 AM  
I don't think she should have been starved either, even now. Am I a cock/shiathead/scumbag?

Of course, you could just be saying that because he's a politician, and on that note I'd have to agree.
 
2005-06-16 11:02:48 AM  
RoyBatty-

That is some scary stuff. You've got to love the republicans tactic of getting under-educated poor people to believe that not understanding all this "science" and "medicine" is actually a liberal elite conspiracy against them.
 
2005-06-16 11:02:49 AM  
A diagnosis involves a doctor actually being able to evaluate a patient's condition "first-hand", with all information available to him/her in that process. Sen. Frist seemed pretty specific that he was not attempting to make a diagnosis from the floor of the Senate--instead, he quoted from a medical text so as to support the Republicans' assertion that there may still have been VALID questions about the diagnosis already made by other doctors, versus (what, at that time seemed to be) evidence from the older videotapes that, in their view, seemed to contradict Mrs. Schiavo's diagnosed condition.

For me, I had already thought at the time that the courts made the right decision in allowing Mrs. Schiavo to die. However, then--and now--I can't bring myself to fault the efforts by the Republicans to ensure that the diagnosis was correct. After all: as a society, I'd rather we tried too hard to help someone that ended up beyond saving, than NOT tried hard enough to help someone that ended up being capable of saving.

In this case, Mrs. Schiavo is now dead, and the autopsy has confirmed what the court-appointed doctors have said all along. At this point, I simply remain hopeful that all parties concerned in this sorrowful matter can find peace.

/Hopes the flamers on each side remember that, at its core, this issue revolves around two families that have lost someone they deeply loved. Let's show some respect, people.
 
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