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(Yahoo)   Rich Iowa business man nails some Amish chick and is now in a truly crazy custody battle. Nailed an Amish chick?   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 172
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2005-06-16 10:55:05 AM  
I would go up to them and say BOO and stick ice cream cones all over their faces.
 
2005-06-16 10:55:54 AM  
Sorry Erdelt, another man is listed as the father on the Birth Certificate. Even though you're the biological father, you're a creepy old fark and the state has an overriding interest in keeping families together. On top of that, the Amish couple was married before the baby was born, which should make it even harder for this creep to sink his claws into the girl. I'm all for Father's Rights, but IMHO this girl has a father... one that doesn't just want to use her as an escape, one that cares about her enough to raise her in a proper family... What this Erdelt guy is doing is just selfish and wrong.
 
2005-06-16 11:00:41 AM  
One.Big.Mess
 
2005-06-16 11:01:23 AM  
Amish chicks get horny too.
 
2005-06-16 11:02:53 AM  
Daemonik:
> If he cares about her, he'll leave her alone.
> And nothing to do with the very common selfishness people have in wanting "their rights" to "see their baby." What about that baby's right to a less-complex life?

Are you one of those people who thinks children don't need fathers or something? Next you'll be saying he'll just end up molesting the girl.


She has a father, idiot. RTFA.
"We choose to live the simple, quiet life," said Samuel Schrock, who is married to Rachel's mother and listed himself as Rachel's father on her birth certificate.

The man cares for his daughter and wants to be a part of her life. There is nothing wrong with that and I seriously find your snide attitude about fathers and "their rights" to be offensive. A father has as much capacity for love and ability to care for his children as any mother.

And he demonstrates that by allowing the child to grow up well-adjusted, and without the confusion of someone with a cane being their "father," and some other guy they live with being their "father" as well.

No. It is purely a selfish act on her part to want to be a part of Rachel's life. Sounds like I'm hitting close to home for you when I say that, but it is no less true.

If you're so worried about 'him' messing up the child's life, what about the mother? Why couldn't she have left the child with the father and gone off to her Amish life with her new husband? How is raising an illegitimate child that was conceived while the father was married to another woman going to go over well in a religious community? At least in the outside world most people wouldn't care about her personal history, in that small Amish community everyone's going to know who she is and how she came about and they WILL look down on her about it.

Try RingTFA. He's 67. He'll be dead soon. On the other hand, the guy that is listed as Rachel's father will most likely be alive to see her have children of her own. Additionally, the community already forgave her...but I'm not talking about the parents.

I'm talking about the kid. 2 senerios: in one, he keeps his selfish desire in check (which is likely more aimed to the mom than the kid anyway) and Rachel grows up with a mom and dad.

In the other senerio, she hops around from house to house, has a mom, a dad, and an old man (that will die when she's still a kid) that takes her mom to court, and comes by and "spends time with her" every other weekend, when she'd rather be outside playing. Oh, such fun toys children make! Makes us feel important, significant.

Either Rachel goes with the bio-father, or the bio-mother. House hoping is overwhelmingly proven to be very harmful to children, and only benefitial to the egos of the parents. The bio-mother here has a new husband, and can raise Rachel in a stable home and community (regardless whether you think they're kooks). The bio-father is about to die of old farking age.

Which one makes more sense?
 
2005-06-16 11:10:39 AM  
to all those that know high-school dropouts that are beauticians, with the expert advice that shaving doesn't make you need to shave...you're wrong.

I could explain the mechanism, but you wouldn't bother trying to read it anyway. Someone went to school for a few weeks and came back and told you their advice, so by golly, the fact that there are women who have never shaved and only have peach fuzz, yet their shaving sisters have sandpaper legs after a few days...no, obvious evidence like that doesn't matter. So since it doesn't, the explanation of the mechanism won't matter either.
 
2005-06-16 11:11:01 AM  
That is possibly the prettiest baby ever, next to my own, of course. Who do you guys think should portray Swingin' Dieter in the movie...Nicholson?
 
2005-06-16 11:11:22 AM  
Cyberdependent:

What? Escape? Huh?
*re-read acticle*
Have you been drinking the troll juice? I think you have.

Every one has a right to see their progeny don't care who you are. And unless you are doing something immensely illegal you should never be barred from doing so.

Dude he isn't trying to escape from anything. He isn't Amish, he is in the middle losing it all... and he feels comforted by the idea of a daughter.

You sir are an arse. Good Job!
 
2005-06-16 11:13:53 AM  
IamAwake: She has a father

It doesn't matter how old he is, nothing can replace the biological father.
 
2005-06-16 11:20:26 AM  
hehe...oelwein...i just ordered a bunch of yarn online from a store there! Bo Peep's Wool Shop if anyone is interested...they have really good sales from time to time.
 
2005-06-16 11:21:47 AM  
embowafa


Jewish tradition, or so 9th grade history taught me.


Where in the world did you take a history course that would teach you that? I'm an Orthodox Jew, and I assure you, the only sheet involved is the one that came off the mattress, got crumpled up and is lying in a heap on the floor with the blanket and pillows.

/giggidy
 
2005-06-16 11:21:59 AM  
GodsTumor
I thought the Amish couldn't use nails?
It's all tongue in groove!


Wins the thread, hands down.

/Cannot believe there have been so few other props for that comment
 
2005-06-16 11:26:24 AM  
Knobbs said: "I didn't call her."

how could you? she's amish!

/you could have at least sent the horse and carriage out with a telegram, you know...instead of leaving the poor girl hanging
 
2005-06-16 11:28:00 AM  
"I was impressed with his incredible plowing ability"

/Amish Studs
//Ben Stiller Show
 
2005-06-16 11:30:01 AM  
itzhak:
> IamAwake: She has a father
It doesn't matter how old he is, nothing can replace the biological father.


According to one, and only one, person. Rachel's life will be better for never knowing him, and never having his confusing influence in her life. Senerio 2 is a bad place. Hopping from home to home is terrible on a child. The child needs stability. She doesn't need to make daddy happy. Daddy and mommy were selfish and stupid. Rachel shouldn't suffer for it.
 
2005-06-16 11:33:00 AM  


For shame fellow farkers that I am the Weeners this...
 
2005-06-16 11:34:38 AM  
i like the amish, their lifestyle represents a virtus which is impossible to find in any other north american society. that being said, i'm too addicted to the easy fast lifestyle a modern world brings to every join them, not that i'm happier or anything, just addicted.
 
2005-06-16 11:43:15 AM  
"Amish Porn"

http://www.modifiedliving.com/amishporn.htm

too funny =D
 
2005-06-16 11:44:19 AM  
 
2005-06-16 11:45:54 AM  
GodsTumor
I thought the Amish couldn't use nails?
It's all tongue in groove!


Classic..
 
2005-06-16 11:54:32 AM  
Awesome! I'm surprised it's taken so long to be insulted on Fark...

And nope, no troll-juice this morning, I'll even hang around to attempt to explain myself!

Just considering what I know about Family Law, that's all. When a child is born within wedlock, they're considered the legal and presumptive biological child. Not only that, but Samuel is listed as the father on the Birth Certificate. Iowa, like just about every other state, has a Putative Father Registry where Erdelt had opportunity to assert his paternity before the child's birth. He didn't do this, and in the eyes of the court, he's not the father, even if his sperm was used to make the baby.

The law is designed to protect the child by providing a father and a mother for her. There is no way that Samuel could escape the parental duties he's assumed, even if he wanted to - the fact that he's not the biological father is irrelevant. However, this arrangement must also prevent challenges from outside the marriage as well.

Do you think rapists should be allowed access to the child that results from their crime? How about men who murder their spouses - should they be allowed to keep the children of the woman they killed? While obviously this is a far cry from those crimes, the fact remains that adultry is a felony crime in Iowa. A wealthy, older, married, man impregnated a young girl that worked for him. Not only does that preclude his legal claim to the child, I feel it also precludes any ethical or moral claims as well.

Granted, It would be nice if Edna allows Erdelt access to his biological offspring, but in no way should the State force it upon her in this situation. And even if she was nice and allowed him some sort of visitation, the fact that she wasn't the one breaking the law and failing to take legal responsability for the child means it should happen on her terms only...
 
2005-06-16 12:02:54 PM  
Cyberdependent

Very well said, until the first sentense of the last paragraph. Who would she introduce the old man as? Uncle Perv? Uncle left-his-wife?

Rachel's best chance in life is to never have to deal with that confusion, or deal with the lies that would have to be told. See, she's either "uncle so and so" or...Rachel's *father*. No, she has a father. She doesn't need 2.
 
2005-06-16 12:08:20 PM  
"It doesn't matter how old he is, nothing can replace the biological father."


uhhhh, ok...what if he were dead? which he probably will be in a few years anyway.

i'm sure there are plenty of people out there with step-fathers and adopted parents who would strongly disagree with you on that statement.
 
2005-06-16 12:10:54 PM  
syberspud said: "She was a carpenter? I didn't know of too many Amish women with jobs like that. All the ones I've seen (Ohio and PA) sold jams and pies.

And not all Amish are "naive"."

apparently they aren't ignorant or sexist either...or at least not as much as we "english" appear to be.
 
2005-06-16 12:19:12 PM  
Before Amish are baptized into the church, they go on what is called a "rumspringa" (Literally: "Jumping around"), in which they drink, smoke, and party down like there's no tomorrow---because for them, there will be none.

After the brief stint of hell-raising they are required to settle down and behave, but for that short period, young Amish are hellions on a par with any party animal you ever saw.

That's how it is for the men; I do not know if girls are allowed the same privilege.
 
2005-06-16 12:22:37 PM  
IamAwake: Hopping from home to home is terrible on a child.

So you would rather have them force her to live and adapt to a religious sects way of life, not letting her choose her own life? I'm just curious, who are you to decide all these things for another human being? How about letting her live in both worlds and then let her choose the one she prefers for herself?

Oh wait, kids have no rights. I forgot. My mistake.
 
2005-06-16 12:23:13 PM  
Strangely enough, I had an Amish friend in college. His family had a tradition of allowing the Amish youth to go forth unto the world and experience its delights before settling down. Not sure if this is the aforementioned "rumspringa" since I never heard him mention the word before.

He turned into a total gearhead. Last I heard he was working at a mid-level Information Technology job and fixed cars on the weekend.

Seriously.
 
2005-06-16 12:24:32 PM  
olddinosaur:

Before Amish are baptized into the church, they go on what is called a "rumspringa"

Add a "p" to that word and you have the swedish word for "asscrack".

/rumpspringa
 
2005-06-16 12:31:46 PM  
dacricket is a moron
 
2005-06-16 12:31:54 PM  
annie_fannie:

uhhhh, ok...what if he were dead? which he probably will be in a few years anyway.

i'm sure there are plenty of people out there with step-fathers and adopted parents who would strongly disagree with you on that statement.


Well, if he's dead then he's dead, not much to do in that situation. However, he is not dead. You have probably heard stories about adopted children searching for their biological parents, right? They might not expect a whole lot of them, but they still want them in their lives, that's what I was talking about. There might be other adults in your life that are more important to you, and who raised you, etc, but no one can replace your biological parents. We are "programmed" that way, if you will.
 
2005-06-16 12:31:55 PM  
thats how we do things here in iowa. GIT-R-DONE
 
2005-06-16 12:35:35 PM  
itzhak

She's a farking BABY. It's stupid to talk about what she wants to do. She needs stability right now, not a village.

"letting her live in both worlds and then let her choose the one she prefers for herself" isn't gona happen either. 18 years from now, bio-man will be 85. That's not a father, that's a great-grandfather. Chances are he won't even be alive. Who should she live with out here in the "other world" once dad2 is dead?

The point is that Rachel doesn't need a father and a methuselah who donated sperm. Rachel needs a single, stable, home.
 
2005-06-16 12:40:39 PM  
"thats how we do things here in iowa. GIT-R-DONE"


/hangs head in shame
//that phrase and it's popularity here makes me ashamed to be an iowan right now.
 
2005-06-16 12:41:26 PM  
IamAwake:

She's a farking BABY. It's stupid to talk about what she wants to do. She needs stability right now, not a village.

"letting her live in both worlds and then let her choose the one she prefers for herself" isn't gona happen either. 18 years from now, bio-man will be 85. That's not a father, that's a great-grandfather. Chances are he won't even be alive. Who should she live with out here in the "other world" once dad2 is dead?

The point is that Rachel doesn't need a father and a methuselah who donated sperm. Rachel needs a single, stable, home.


Again, who are you to decide over another human being? Ok, so she needs stability, let the real father come visit her in her amish home once in a while, no one said he's going to take her to a farking monster truck race. When she is older her mother and step-father should respect her enough to let her choose between amish and the real world. Something tells me they would rather brainwash her.
 
2005-06-16 12:43:46 PM  
IamAwake

He's 67. He'll be dead soon.

Bullshiat! There are lots of people who live to their 90's with excellent cognition. The man was running a business after all, at least untill it mysteriously burned to the ground.

For all you know the step-father could get killed in a farm accident (lots of ways to get killed on a farm) before the biological father dies.

So, in your opinion it's better that the girl grows up thinking that something is wrong with her that her father never wanted anything to do with her? Or do you live in some imaginary world where you believe the girl wouldn't find out about this mess?
 
2005-06-16 12:57:12 PM  
Don't kid yourself, there's no way she'll never know about this guy, someone in the community will be sure to tell her about him. She'll hear the gossip. Is it better that she grow up klnowing about it, or finding out later in life? There are also issues of family medical history to consider.
 
2005-06-16 12:59:09 PM  
I live in Waterloo, Iowa, about 40 minutes away from Oelwein, where this guy's greenhouse is.

The Amish are far from "innocent". At least the men. It's well-known around here that the Amish guys are perverts. They're hilarious, telling really dirty jokes all the time.

A lot of young Amish guys leave the "community", because they want to live the modern life. It's a real problem. The population is shrinking all the time. It's a way of life that doesn't have long to go, I think.
 
2005-06-16 01:02:45 PM  
Harrison Ford wanted for questioning
 
2005-06-16 01:05:24 PM  
Oh god, I've been to Olewine Iowa.

It's a shiathole.
 
2005-06-16 01:09:12 PM  
IamAwake

You make a good argument for your case, and for that I applaud you. Whether or not I agree with you is beside the point. But then you have to go and act like a jackass:

to all those that know high-school dropouts that are beauticians, with the expert advice that shaving doesn't make you need to shave...you're wrong.

Real classy of you to imply that beauticians are high school dropouts and know nothing of the science of their trade. Reeeeaaal classy. I'm sure a couple of my college degree-holding aesthetician/beautician friends would love that generalization.

Seriously, the snide comments only detract from the credibility of your arguments, making you come off like that prissy little girl in School Of Rock.
 
2005-06-16 01:10:07 PM  
Cyberdependent wrote:
A wealthy, older, married, man impregnated a young girl that worked for him. Not only does that preclude his legal claim to the child, I feel it also precludes any ethical or moral claims as well.


Give me a break! She was freaking THIRTY years old!! Let's not portray her as some naive little girl who was taken advantage of.
 
2005-06-16 01:10:56 PM  
annie_fannie and IamAwake: Considering your viewpoints, I would assume you both grew up with step-parents? If not, you should probably STFU, as you don't know what the hell you are talking about. As someone who grew up with a father and a stepfather in my life, I am very grateful for having known both of them, and having had such a great relationship with both. Assuming it will royally fark up the child just because they will grow up with a more complex world view is completely asinine. If the parents are reasonable about this (I know, this is rare), all that should matter is that the child is loved by all of them.
 
2005-06-16 01:11:11 PM  
She had sex without the modern advances in birth control and she got pregnant. How ironic.
 
2005-06-16 01:13:58 PM  
Okay duffy how would you portray it? He was her boss, no? He was much more mature then her, no? (err, make that older obviously he's not more mature or else he wouldn't be in this situation) He was married, she was not. Just where did she have the upper hand in their power paradigm?

Besdies, she was 28. ;)
 
2005-06-16 01:16:04 PM  
Bailey Building And Loan
Rumspringa gone wild!! Didn't they do this on "Judging Amy"?

yeah but that also involved home abortions and an amish boyfriend.
that was really creepy though...
 
2005-06-16 01:19:49 PM  
IamAwake:

Re: shaving, I think I'd love to hear an explanation of this mechanism.

Here's what I think: girls who don't shave and have "peach fuzz" never started shaving because their body hair wasn't coarse and icky to begin with. Most girls who get embarrassingly coarse or dark body hair shave it. Girls who have naturally fine body hair don't.

I have several good friends, two of whom I've known most of my life, who have never once shaved their legs. One is a blonde with "peach fuzz" leg hair. The other two are brunettes who are MUCH hairier -- one of them, in fact, has hairier legs than almost any man I've ever seen. She practically has fur.

Most girls who naturally developed very coarse, dark, noticable hair are quicker to start shaving. Coarse hair is also likely to feel more "sandpapery." Girls who never have hair that's embarrassing are faaaaaar less likely to shave routinely, and will have finer, silkier hair even when they do.

Your anecdotal evidence doesn't change the fact that you won't explain the "mechanism" by which this all happens. You've got an inherently biased thing going on here unless you have a legitimate physiological explanation.
 
2005-06-16 01:20:10 PM  
He wants custody of a child he didn't intend to father. How ironic.
 
2005-06-16 01:23:28 PM  
Did anyone else catch the bit near the end of the article, where they briefly mention that the guy's greenhouse "mysteriously burned to the ground?" I think the Amish mafia is sending him a message.
 
Lor
2005-06-16 01:23:56 PM  
So, at all costs to the biological parents, children should not be shuffled back and forth between homes? Me, as a single mother should not have joint custody of my children because my ex-husband has remarried and now has a 'stable' complete home?

Just because this guy is old doesn't make him a perv or a bad choice as a father. It doesn't matter what that peice of paper says, the amish husband isn't Rachel's father.
 
2005-06-16 01:27:23 PM  
And yet the article does not even imply that he is rich. It only says that he is a business man. And in a small town in Iowa. And that his business burned to the ground. And he's going through divorce. I'm guessing not TOO rich. At least not anymore.
 
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