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(Yahoo)   Increasingly, companies are firing people for things they do on their own time. Tire slashing, for example   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 118
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2005-06-13 03:24:11 PM
I read the title of this headline incorrectly at first and thought it was about people getting fired from their jobs for doing things that their bosses do as well.

Like I can't stand that my boss is allowed to drink coffee and stuff at his desk and no one else is allowed to. And when he has some downtime, you can hear all these explosions and gunshots coming from his computer and I just know he's playing 'Doom 3'. And don't even get me started on the time I caught him with his hand down his pants, looking all sweaty and red as a beet...
 
2005-06-13 03:34:22 PM
Dang. Well I guess my urban guerrilla moonlighting gig isn't a good thing for my career.
 
2005-06-13 03:35:09 PM
And people say unions have outgrown their usefullness.
 
2005-06-13 07:30:21 PM
Increasingly, companies are firing people for things they do on their own time


Like smoking pot?

I have never smoked marijuana, ever, but I still firmly believe that as long as job performance is not affected (and employees absolutely do not show up for work high/drunk/etc), it is absolutely none of the employer's business what they do on their own time.
 
2005-06-13 08:54:20 PM
AntiNorm: Like smoking pot?

How about smoking in general? There are employers that are firing people because they smoke, even if they don't smoke at work.
 
2005-06-13 08:56:33 PM
That's why I do everything on the companies' time. Nothing better than walking into the men's bathroom with a copy of "Penthouse Letters" ...
 
2005-06-13 08:56:38 PM
Guess I can't jump my boss.
 
2005-06-13 08:56:58 PM
I agree that if you sign a document avering that you'll never break a law, then if you break a law you should get fired.

However, I don't agree that commiting an act someone finds abhorrent is sufficient grounds in and of itself for termination.
 
2005-06-13 08:57:13 PM
Oh yeah, and the Obvious tag.
 
2005-06-13 08:58:24 PM
Actually if the company's health insurance / worker's comp policy specifically states that the place is a "Drug Free Workplace" then yes, smoking pot in your personal time can get you fired. I'm not saying if it's right or wrong, just that I know of people who have been.
 
2005-06-13 08:59:27 PM
This is part of a natural progression of political phenomena in the US, beginning with the Contract on America. Businesses are most efficient and profitable when run like police states.

/Notice I didn't say they were run best this way?
 
2005-06-13 08:59:29 PM
Happens on both sides of the fence. When Ted Turner ran CNN, it was a firable office to smoke a cigarette at any time.
 
2005-06-13 08:59:31 PM
friend was let go from a "god fearing workplace" because she was going on vacation with boyfriend and staying in the same room. Same place let go a person for drinking too much at an family style restraunt by a cowoker who reported it. of course they were told it was downsizing but 3 weeks later the newspaper had openings listed. Is it ok to name the company?
 
2005-06-13 09:01:37 PM
I used to work for a company who's drug policy was that "as long as you don't do it at work or before work, and as long as you don't get in the newspaper for it, you're cool."
 
2005-06-13 09:01:52 PM
 
2005-06-13 09:02:29 PM
This is a pathetic article.

The Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa example is not "off-duty behavior." Their appearance is part of their job. (Right or wrong, I'm not saying.)
 
2005-06-13 09:02:30 PM
This is absolute bullshiat!If I got fired over stupid shiat like this I would follow my employer around with a camera,stalk the hell out of em,then send them the pics to let them know I am watching them too ;).No wonder people are losing their minds in the workplace.At what point do you cross the line as an employer?This is the line,you have NO right to be an asshole on MY time,lest you will get a severe asskicking.Once I walk off company property I am my own person.Bring it you self indulged,megalomaniac...I beg you!
 
2005-06-13 09:04:37 PM


What do you expect?
 
2005-06-13 09:07:47 PM
I find it very upsetting on how much companys are reaching into the private lives of their employees. I smoke pot, but I have never ever shown up to work stoned or gotten stoned while at work. I smoke because of my terrible sleeping problems that have been diagnosed by the doctor and Ive tried all kinds of sleep medications and the sedative effects of THC is the only thing that calms my mind and makes me tired so that I can get a restful night sleep. If I dont smoke Im usually up till 1-2 in morning before I get in my bed and up for another hour trying to fall asleep. Ill gladly stop smoking pot though as long as they dont mind me coming into work looking like I got hit by a truck and falling asleep at my desk. I also like to go four wheeling and I love riding my quad. What if my boss doesnt like those activities or the fact that I drive a lifted truck to work? Will he fire me for it? Its just ridiculous....basically its the boss pushing what they do and dont like upon their employees and making them act the way they find appropriate.
 
2005-06-13 09:08:38 PM
I would think that workplaces would be focusing more on getting the job done than on what their employees like to do on breaks. I know that car plants and oil refineries/rigs are crawling with guys who smoke pot on the job.
 
2005-06-13 09:09:07 PM
Bush's fault, right?
 
2005-06-13 09:09:10 PM
Scary? More like obvious.

Most companies would rather you NOT have a life outside of work... If you say, "Sorry, although I have stayed late every single day this month, my daughter is in the hospital and I need to go visit her." They get PISSED OFF. Damn corporate America.
 
2005-06-13 09:09:25 PM
Some distinctions should be made that might not be obvious - if one only relied on the article.

People like firemen, doctors or other professions where one is "on call" should expect to be able to perform to a certain standard - and certainly may be fired for coduct which might prevent this.

For the rest of us, leave us the f*ck alone. or WE WILL REVOLT!
 
2005-06-13 09:10:00 PM
Qermaq:

I agree that if you sign a document avering that you'll never break a law, then if you break a law you should get fired.


We could stop crime this way too. Just make everybody sign something when they are seven or so, pledging they will remain law-abiding.
 
2005-06-13 09:10:10 PM
What about what i do at work?



Man I used to be skinny!
 
2005-06-13 09:10:41 PM
 
2005-06-13 09:11:24 PM
I'm surprised businesses don't encourage smoking even more. If you look at the actuarial data, smokers tend to die early of rapidly degenerating pathologies which prevent repeated and costly hospital stays. By so doing, they reduce the burden on the health care plan.

From an employer's point of view, employee smoking is good for the bottom line.

Jus' sayin'...
 
2005-06-13 09:11:27 PM
tattered666:

the sedative effects of THC is the only thing that calms my mind and makes me tired so that I can get a restful night sleep

Have you ever tried Benzodiazepams? Specifically Valium or Klonopin? I'll wager that your inability to sleep is most likely caused by stress. Marijuana doesn't really have a huge sedative effect, it's a hallucinagen, but it does calm you down a lot, so I'm guessing your inability to sleep might be caused by an over-active mind due to stress, possibly an over-active nervous system.
 
2005-06-13 09:11:29 PM


GIS for "Borgata babes"
 
2005-06-13 09:11:32 PM
ummm "conduct". Guess if I was a Bush admin. proofreader, I'd have just lost my job.
 
2005-06-13 09:11:34 PM
We need laws for this? Whatever happened to good ol' killing-your-boss for being an asshat?
 
2005-06-13 09:12:45 PM
cougar1701: Is it ok to name the company?

LEW: Oh, yeah. What's the name?

ELAINE: Why do you need the name? You already have the address.

LEW: We need a name. Give us a name.

/obscure?
 
2005-06-13 09:14:33 PM
We're the first ones to starve the first ones to die
The first ones in line for that pie-in-the-sky
 
2005-06-13 09:15:07 PM
Can you get fired for surfing Fark?
 
2005-06-13 09:15:58 PM
The issue here is legal behavior, not pot smoking, you hippie dopeheads.
 
2005-06-13 09:16:59 PM
I'm kinda dense.... what's the "tire slashing" reference?
 
2005-06-13 09:18:50 PM
2005-06-13 09:11:27 PM bbcrackmonkey

Have you ever tried Benzodiazepams? Specifically Valium or Klonopin? I'll wager that your inability to sleep is most likely caused by stress. Marijuana doesn't really have a huge sedative effect, it's a hallucinagen, but it does calm you down a lot, so I'm guessing your inability to sleep might be caused by an over-active mind due to stress, possibly an over-active nervous system.

ive tried valium and klonopin, as well as ambien and one other one i cant remember. i developed tolerences to them ultra fast especially ambien. i started off only taking a half to goto sleep and by the end of 30 days i needed 2.

and your are 100% correct on the over-active nervous system. i am also diagnosed with ADHD....my mind just loves to race as soon as i lay down in bed....i do construction, and i can bust my ass till im ready to pass out at the end of the day and come 9pm im WIDE awake....

marijuana(esp the stuff i get) is the only thing i have ever used that has consistently given me the same effects night in and night out using roughly the same amount. it never fails me..i smoke a small bowl....20 mins later im asleep. the fact that it helps me goto sleep is the reason i hardly ever use it for recreation because i just end up falling asleep
 
2005-06-13 09:19:42 PM
Increasingly, employees rate company loyalty as among the lowest factor when choosing a career.

Seriously, does anyone on this board have the same job they had five years ago? I'm sure there are, but I'd be interested to know how many job-hop as much as I do. I'm 34 and I have not held a job for longer than three years at a stretch in my life.
 
2005-06-13 09:20:35 PM
JereseyTim

Get off my lawn hippies!
 
2005-06-13 09:22:10 PM
If I start a company I'll fire those who read the Bible. Let's see how that goes.
 
2005-06-13 09:22:43 PM
Dear Fark,
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2005-06-13 09:25:31 PM
JerseyTim

Putting a John Kerry bumper sticker on your car is illegal?
 
2005-06-13 09:25:42 PM
If I start a company I'll fire those who read the Bible. Let's see how that goes.

You can't discriminate against religions. It is a protected "group."

Marijuana users, cigarette smokers, skate boarders, etc. aren't protected groups.

However, you could fire someone for sending a "prayer chain" email if it is against your "no forwards" policy.
 
2005-06-13 09:28:04 PM
If its in the contract before you sign, and you sign it. Well, its on you.

If they are spying on you and make ethical judgements on your behavior, then its wrong.
 
2005-06-13 09:28:41 PM
tonesskin:

You can't discriminate against religions. It is a protected "group."

So is political affiliation. Yet one got fired for having kerry bumper sticker.
 
2005-06-13 09:30:13 PM
Doc Daneeka, no.
 
2005-06-13 09:32:00 PM
So is political affiliation.

Since when?

I thought it only included race/color, ethnic background, religion, nationality, gender (not to be confused with sex), age ("oldness"), disability and veteran status.

Sexual orientation may be added eventually.
 
2005-06-13 09:35:15 PM
Doc Daneeka: Putting a John Kerry bumper sticker on your car is illegal?


Maybe not illegal. But would you want to advertise that you have stupid people working for you?

/YHBT
 
2005-06-13 09:38:11 PM
bbcrackmonkey:

Marijuana doesn't really have a huge sedative effect, it's a hallucinagen, but it does calm you down a lot,


You'reforgetting your endocannabinoids help regulate sleep. Weed high in CBD (Indicas) seems to be the stuff that gets you sleepy.
 
2005-06-13 09:40:18 PM
MWeather:


You'reforgetting your endocannabinoids help regulate sleep. Weed high in CBD (Indicas) seems to be the stuff that gets you sleepy.

which if that is the case then my brain is very receptive to them and make me sleepy very fast
 
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