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2005-06-11 02:39:53 PM
I had this roommate my freshman year of college who had a purity ring, as she called it. Then, she got back together with her scumbag boyfriend who had just gotten out of jail for domestic abuse (he hit his former girlfriend, not my roommate), and the purity ring spent the rest of the semester on top of the microwave. She dropped out of school, and I really hope that she didn't get knocked up. So, these things don't prevent you from making poor decisions.
 
2005-06-11 02:40:09 PM
I love how walkingtall ignores everyone proving him wrong and simply changes the subject

Reminds me of Mike_71, especially WITH the random CAPITAL WORDS for no apparent REASONS, that and CLAIMING to have done about JUST everything UNDER the sun, when IT'S BROUGHT UP
 
2005-06-11 02:40:33 PM
1. Don't know
2. Very Hot
3. Gotta go with that it tears
4. No
5. Yes
6. Yes

Can you grade me too?
 
2005-06-11 02:41:37 PM
The most effective program would teach the kids the pros and cons of everything:

Abstinence
Hygenic sexual practice
Birth control
Less risky alternatives to penetration

Manipulating kids to take a pledge
in front of god and daddy is just asking for trouble.
On the bright side it will help assure us of plenty of strippers in the future,
once they realize what dirty, filthy, sluts they really are.

Katie has potential once the baby fat comes off.
 
2005-06-11 02:42:34 PM
Larjmarj:

Parents just need to be more in tune to their kids needs and realistic. Communication and LOVE in spades....

But what do I know, I don't have kids......


Exactly - my parents were involved in my life but not overbearing. They took care of me, set me straight, and let me fark up once in a while.

It's shiat like this that makes me not want to have kids. I want to, but I don't want to put them in this world where they're constantly bombarded with this crap.

Being realistic is the right idea - understanding that kids will be kids. You just have to be sure that when they're faced with a major decision, they'll make the right one.

I think I did, but who knows - I guess we have to check back in in 20 or 30 years, eh?
 
2005-06-11 02:43:10 PM
walkingtall

Are you finger pointing at my choice not to have a child?

I would call my decision responsible given my life circumstances..which by the way you know nothing about.

I'm glad your life is a cut and dried example of perfection and planning.
 
2005-06-11 02:43:14 PM
While we're talking about psychology and religion, I really wonder where in the bible the puritans got the idea that sex = dirty but violence = a-ok?

Because a child will see more than 10,000 deaths on the television before he reaches 10 years old

Yet, if he gets to see one black saggy tit, it's about the end of the world for half of america
 
2005-06-11 02:43:35 PM
Also, we had guest speakers from Planned Parenthood, and the Triangle Speakers (a Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgendered speaking group).

Like I said, it was a comprehensive course, with topics ranging from eating disorders to drug and alcohol abuse. Sex-ed was one portion of it, and, albeit brief, was informative for what it was worth.
 
2005-06-11 02:43:55 PM
farking ridiculous. I am still tempted to become a psychologist and the first, THE FIRST thing we did in our advanced class was to dissect the errors of all the modern fathers of psychology. One of the MOST attacked within the psychology circles is freud, because of numerous reasons...

Everyone thanks him for being the Father of Modern Psychology and that, without his works, things wouldn't be what they are today. But he was a farking loon on a LOT of points and about EVERYONE agrees with that in the psychology community....

There are about 5 major psychological "schools of thoughts", and that's without counting the interbreeding of theories and all the bickering that happens. Humanists, Behaviorists, etc...

For example, I loathe the humanist theory, I think this is mostly new age bullshiat, I'm a big believer in the behaviorists/biologic school of thoughts, with a bit of freud (his development during childhood stuff and lapsus work, mostly)

Still, I'm not licking Watson or Pavlov or Smith's boots. Things are forever changing and I'm far more interested in what the CURRENT voices have to say, because they build their works on what was before, discarding what was wrong and improving the good work


I doubt you even had a psychology class, you lunatic


Ummm wrong my friend I have studied and I continue to study all new facets of mental health that I have time to do. I like people and I find learning about them fascinating. You REALLY enjoy being stupid on purpose don't you? You on one hand say the psychology community admits what a loon Freud was and THEN state he was the father of pyschology. That is like saying even though Charles Manson was a lunatic we should thank him for being the father of how to murder people in California or some such crap. You cannot take a lunatics views and try to dissect truth from fiction. THAT is what I objected to. Freud was a lunatic and I dismiss ALL his theories and everyone who came after him trying to incorporate him into their theories. I think Freud was evil and I do not even like writing his name. I think he caused untold suffering and fools like you still keep trying to suck at his tit looking for good milk. You are DAMN right I studied psychology and I reject most of what I learned. Aberrant psychology and juvenile psychology and any branch not so infected with Freud are OK and some of the rest of psychology is coming along but there is a LONG way to go.
 
2005-06-11 02:44:01 PM
"I feel for you because there is no feeling on earth of having YOUR child walk up to you and give you a big kiss and tell you they love you. It makes all the work and sacrifice worth it. You have made a choice on how to live your life and that is your right but you have made the wrong choice. Just because I believe we ALL have the right to choose the life we live I am NOT going to blow air up your skirt and say you made the right one. "

You are the most intolerantly insufferably arrogant excuse for a thinking person I have ever had the misfortune to have my computer infested with the packets of.
 
2005-06-11 02:44:54 PM
I think it was George Carlin that said he'd rather his child see sex on TV or in a movie than violence.

"Alright sheriff, we're gonna fark ya. But we're gonna fark ya slooowww."
 
2005-06-11 02:44:55 PM
walkingtall:

First of all, go back and reread my post, and you will see that I was agreeing with you, goober.

What a big stinking festering pile of poo.

Sorry about that, ever since I started with the South Beach thing, I've had lots of fiber in my diet.

Philosophy seeks to answer questions about morality and ultimate truth and the nature of man in the universe and explain it without any notion of a Creator or that there even IS an ultimate truth. Only what MAN creates truth to be.

Actually that's only true of SOME philosophy. Since you like the idea of a Creator and ultimate truth, I'll drop a few more names for you, and encourage you to check out the philosophical writings of Herman Dooyeweerd, Evan Runner, DH Vollenhoven, and others who have done philosophical work within a theistic worldview.

I almost became a psychologist but I refused to bow down to the altar of Freud and his cohorts and I left the program in disgust.

Like your comments regarding philosophy, you are quite mistaken if you think that comments regarding Freud specifically or even the psychodynamic approach generally have anything to do with the field of psychology as a whole. Actually most of us psychologists consider the Freud-dude to be a wacko. If you didn't know that, I have to question whether or not you really spent enough time studying psychology to legitimately say that you "almost became" a psychologist.

So you take your name dropping and your pseudo intellectuality and stick it because you are the finest example of intellectual arrogance I have seen on Fark. And I have seen a lot.

Nice to be the best at something.
 
2005-06-11 02:45:07 PM
I mean, in the old testament, two daughters getting their father drunk and getting pregnant off him?

In the new testament, Jesus hung out in robes with 12 guys?

Also, rumors that he might have been gay/bisexual in some suppressed parts of the early gospels?


Yet, these are forgotten and we remember about God's mighty wrath, like that time two bears killed 42 children for laughing at his prophet
 
2005-06-11 02:47:58 PM
Son of Thunder:

Like your comments regarding philosophy, you are quite mistaken if you think that comments regarding Freud specifically or even the psychodynamic approach generally have anything to do with the field of psychology as a whole. Actually most of us psychologists consider the Freud-dude to be a wacko. If you didn't know that, I have to question whether or not you really spent enough time studying psychology to legitimately say that you "almost became" a psychologist.

Exactly

There are two domains that he seemed to make actually some sense:

The early years and their impacts on the development of an individual
Lapsus

That's pretty much all


Women who want sex are crazy? err, not so much.
Some of his work is downright laughable


He was so hung up on sex/repression because it was simply way too repressed back then, so it means that his works were very much influenced and related to the social climate of his period/location and are in no way the blueprint for everyone/all the time
 
2005-06-11 02:48:17 PM
Yet, these are forgotten and we remember about God's mighty wrath, like that time two bears killed 42 children for laughing at his prophet

Now, that's a God I could get behind! None of this namby-pamby "love thy neighbor" crap...
 
2005-06-11 02:48:33 PM
walkingtall:

I feel for you because there is no feeling on earth of having YOUR child walk up to you and give you a big kiss and tell you they love you. It makes all the work and sacrifice worth it. You have made a choice on how to live your life and that is your right but you have made the wrong choice. Just because I believe we ALL have the right to choose the life we live I am NOT going to blow air up your skirt and say you made the right one.

I know I'm not supposed to feed the trolls, but you have no right to say this to anyone. It's a choice, clear and simple. He chose not to have a child, just as you choose to have one.

It's not your right to judge him on this, or tell him he made the wrong choice - there is no wrong. There's just a choice, plain and simple. I know a lot of people who shouldn't be having kids that are, by the bucketload. But that's their choice, and I'm not going to say anything about it (outloud and publically, at least).

Just think about what you say before you say it - you have no right to come down like that. None.
 
2005-06-11 02:48:41 PM
duskglow2000

Thank you...that made my blood pressure come down a few points.

Honestly..........
 
2005-06-11 02:48:42 PM
walkingtall: I think Freud was evil and I do not even like writing his name.

Talk about a loon. Does this remind anybody else of A Brave New World where all the mindless citizens have trouble spelling Freud's name, and instead spell it as Ford?



I dismiss ALL his theories

Well, that sure is objective. Glad we have someone really doing his research and studies.
 
2005-06-11 02:49:22 PM
duskglow2000

You are the most intolerantly insufferably arrogant excuse for a thinking person I have ever had the misfortune to have my computer infested with the packets of.



I am reacting to her assertion that her life was completely by choice and NOT because of circumstances. Making conscious choices is MUCH different then doing what you have to do. If she CHOSE to not have kids and live a selfish self centered life which her profile suggested then YES she made the wrong choice and I do not apologize for stating so. I am not judging her to be more or less worthy then anybody else. She can choose to live her life ANY way she chooses. However as I stated before that does not make it the BEST choice.
 
2005-06-11 02:50:03 PM
Health is only a semester-long class, and the teacher is kind of a douchebag.

We had demonstrations by Planned Parenthood on the proper way to fit a condom, several methods of birth control and their respective effectivities, and much more.

What I'm saying is, for it being a semester class and having a lot of other material to cover, it was decent. Sure, there were some small gaps in information, but that's to be expected. It happens in any classroom.

For example: My math teacher (also a douchebag) neglected to teach statistics (part of the Algebra II curriculum). SUre enough, some standardized testing time, there were several questions regarding standard deviation and whatnot.
 
2005-06-11 02:50:53 PM
Three out of four choose to wear the ring, Pattyn said.

The fourth has lots of sex.

The first three do lots of anal.
 
2005-06-11 02:51:10 PM
Well, that sure is objective. Glad we have someone really doing his research and studies.


There are MANY people who have put forth theories that incorporate all of what Freud put forth and was NOT stone cold crazy. Psychology does not NEED Freud or any of his theories to help people.
 
2005-06-11 02:51:14 PM
I do wish that other Christians eventually find out that most of the "laws" regarding sex were made for health reasons.
 
2005-06-11 02:51:25 PM
letoofdune

A few more points lower.........

I appreciate it.......almost down to pre-troll level now.
 
2005-06-11 02:53:27 PM
I think the ring around her belly will be what keeps her safe through High School.
 
2005-06-11 02:53:42 PM
Apparently walktingtall has kids.

: : : shivers : : :
 
2005-06-11 02:53:50 PM
Larjmarj: A few more points lower.........

Missed your rebuttal, hehe...
 
2005-06-11 02:54:58 PM
About the possibilities of Jesus being gay, this is not meant to be an insult or whatever, but rather a possibility.

In the Gospel of John, the disciple John frequently refers to himself in the third person as 'the disciple whom Jesus loved'." For example, during the Last Supper before Jesus' execution, he describes how the "beloved" disciple laid himself on Jesus' inner tunic -- his undergarment. See John 13:25 and 21:20.

Robert Goss, assistant professor of comparative religion at Webster University in St. Louis, LA, noted that Jesus and the beloved disciple: "... eat together, side by side. What's being portrayed here is a pederastic relationship between an older man and a younger man. A Greek reader would understand." Jesus appears to have loved all of his male and female followers in a close, trusting, non-erotic manner. However, the "beloved" disciple appears to be in a special relationship with Jesus; the disciple was "the" beloved. He was in a class by himself.

"In the Book of John a word is used eight times that means 'is in love with' with the implication of sexual intimacy. Five times it is used with reference to Jesus' relationship with John. Once it is used to define Jesus' relationship with Lazarus. And it is also used to describe his relationship with Mary and with her sister Martha."

During the crucifixion, in John 19:26-28, Jesus is described as seeing his mother and an unidentified man: "the disciple standing by, whom he loved." Jesus probably loved all of his 12 or 70 disciples in a non-sexual manner. But this particular disciple is identified as "the" disciple who Jesus loved. That might indicate a special intimate relationship with one special disciple.

Mark 7:14-16 shows that Jesus approves of homosexual acts. The critical phrase reads: "There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him..." Richards suggests that Jesus gave great emphasis to this teaching, directing it to everyone. Richards suggests that the sentence refers to dietary laws and also extends to "blood transfusions, medication, organ transplants, and artificial insemination" and to homosexual acts as well.

bullet Mark 14:51-52 describes the incident when Jesus was arrested by the religious police. It describes how one of Jesus' followers was scantily dressed. The King James Version says he had a linen cloth cast on his naked body; the size and location of the cloth is not defined. The New International Version says that he was "wearing nothing but a linen garment." When the police tried to seize him, they were able to grab only his cloth; the man ran away naked. Reverend Peter Murphy wrote: "We don't know from the sources what really was going on, but we do know that something was very peculiar between Jesus and young men."

He was accused of being a "drunkard and a glutton" and of partying with "prostitutes and sinners." He apparently enjoyed a tender foot massage from a woman.
Personally, I would have no problems with a bisexual Jesus.. in fact, in light of his preachings of free love, etc... etc... it'd make more sense than complete and utter celibacy. After all, if he was a son of God but human, he had human urges


I just think all of this is fascinating
 
2005-06-11 02:55:11 PM
is there any science that walkingtool hasn't studied?

/oops freudian slip
 
2005-06-11 02:55:48 PM
Why don't they call them anal rings? That's what all those girls do anyway.
 
2005-06-11 02:56:22 PM
okami36:

Now, that's a God I could get behind! None of this namby-pamby "love thy neighbor" crap...

You should have been there, for Sodom & Ghommorah...

Man, it was all brimstone and sulfur...

In fact, raining down brimstone and sulfur is the second most exhausting activity one can engage in, right after soccer
 
2005-06-11 02:56:32 PM
walkingtall: Shes selfish because she decided that children were not the right choice?
When you talk about the child coming up and kissing you being the best feeling in the world? THats not selfish? She may realize that ahving a child give you a wonderful feeling, and had to decide NOT to have that experience. Can I introduce you to my friends pot and kettle?
 
2005-06-11 02:56:39 PM
smokinfoo: how the hell will you know if you work together.

Imagine this - a relationship that's not purely based in sex. Even if you don't know if you will "work" together, you can work on that. Love and trust are the pieces you should be worried about.

/not advocating saving yourself till marriage.
//advocating against stupid generalizations.
 
2005-06-11 02:56:57 PM
Donald_McRonald: Apparently walktingtall has kids.

: : : shivers : : :


I know, my heart died a little upon reading that.
 
2005-06-11 02:57:26 PM
Unknown_Poltroon:

walkingtall: Shes selfish because she decided that children were not the right choice?
When you talk about the child coming up and kissing you being the best feeling in the world? THats not selfish?


Ditto.
 
2005-06-11 02:57:33 PM
UltimateFish:

Exactly my thoughts, AssCroft

At least she'll still give BJ's.

/not really 'sex'


well, that's what we were taught, right ?

/sorry, had to

 
2005-06-11 02:58:03 PM
DaveDawg2000
My point is that you might have a very different opinion on condom effectiveness if you knew how testing and real-life differ. Also, condom breakage is the most common problem with them. If fluid from the base of a condom can transmit disease, then how effective are condoms really, could it be that people who are good-intentioned and cautious who use condoms are less-likely to live lifestyles that are strongly correlated with STds and that condoms are not really as effective as they are said to be? Did they teach you how to tell a sore from say an irritated hair follicle, I'll assume you've had one of those(follice not sore) and know what I mean.

Old Skool&trackstr777
Birth control pills absolutley can cause a fertilized egg to be lost, part of the effectiveness of a pill comes from the fact that if it doesn't stop conception, the fertilized egg won't be able to implant. I didn't say abortion, I clearly said does a fertilized egg get lost by the mother, and the answer is yes. Many girls would consider that to be abortion whether you think it is or not, how many girls are told that in these sex ed classes?

DaveDawg2000,
Do you still have a high opinion of those classes?
 
2005-06-11 02:58:07 PM
walkintall=bevets without the bible quotes, has no concept of logic.
 
2005-06-11 02:58:51 PM
Keepin' it dry for the guy in the sky.
 
2005-06-11 02:59:06 PM
I think at the age you can have sex, you are responsible for your own actions. A girl doesn't need a promise ring to not have sex. They blame peer pressure for so much but isn't the promise ring peer pressure in of itself? No one really said, "Well, I don't want to have sex but I'll wear this ring so I make sure I don't." No. They were told to wear it, or asked to, by someone close to them.

What also pisses me off is that society portrays men as these sexual deviants out to score with as many innocent women as they can. All people are sexual deviants and in many cases women are more so. The promise ring thing just always seems like run away from the evil scary men.

/what's that smell?
//oh, it's sexism
 
2005-06-11 02:59:52 PM
Ya dont crave it until you have had it :)

All these teens will give it up so fast once their lips have tasted the bulge in a guys pants.
 
2005-06-11 03:01:40 PM
walkingtall

How my profile suggests selfishness is beyond me.

That same old tired argument that anyone who doesn't reproduce is selfish.........

NOT everyone is cut out to be a parent..

Not everyone has a life that is stable enough to bring a child in to.

This was something I realized about myself and my life and did what I had to do.

Your attacks are rather personal.........
 
2005-06-11 03:01:47 PM
21-7-b

Here is what I claim to know on a scale so you people can stop claiming I think I know everything. I live in the real world where I take things I learn and actually try to LIVE it. What a concept huh ? I am not sitting in a classroom or lab and making wild theories with no basis in real people's lives. I studied evolution theory, psychology and theology very well. I know just enough biology, astronomy, geology, genetics as it relates to evolution theory to be dangerous. I know human nature and quite a bit of history. I seek to learn more every day and that is how I live my life. There are MANY MANY people smarter then me and know more in every area then I do but what I am VERY good at is putting the pieces together and making logical arguments when possible. Some things are NOT subject to logical arguments especially when it comes to God and that is all right. I do not claim to know everything. I simply claim that there is an intelligence that does.
 
2005-06-11 03:01:47 PM
walkingtall
You on one hand say the psychology community admits what a loon Freud was and THEN state he was the father of pyschology. That is like saying even though Charles Manson was a lunatic we should thank him for being the father of how to murder people in California or some such crap.

Martin Luther gave us Protestants the Reformation. But as Luther got older, he became very anti-semetic and some of his writings were used to create the mindset that justified the murder of 6 million Jews.

It is possible to look a Freud and see some good things he did and at the same time dismiss his wackier theories. Just as it's possible to look at the Catholic church and realize that just because some priests did very bad things with young boys, doesn't mean that there are some good things in the Church.
 
2005-06-11 03:01:55 PM
walkingtall:

Ummm wrong my friend I have studied and I continue to study all new facets of mental health that I have time to do. I like people and I find learning about them fascinating. You REALLY enjoy being stupid on purpose don't you? You on one hand say the psychology community admits what a loon Freud was and THEN state he was the father of pyschology.

Gee, you studied psychology and you aren't even aware of that? Please, please, pray, tell me, who is the Father of Modern Psychology, if not Freud?

That is like saying even though Charles Manson was a lunatic we should thank him for being the father of how to murder people in California or some such crap.

You stupid bastard. How can you equate psychology and murder?

We should thank the workers of the Manhattan Project for being the fathers of Atomic Energy, yet we can all say it went horribly wrong, too.

One evil doesn't make ALL of it evil, ALL the time

Freud was a lunatic and I dismiss ALL his theories and everyone who came after him trying to incorporate him into their theories. I think Freud was evil and I do not even like writing his name. I think he caused untold suffering and fools like you still keep trying to suck at his tit looking for good milk.

1) You sound like a middle age peasant. What next, spelling it G-d because the name of God shall not be spoken? We should not write the word Satan because we could conjure him? Jesus

2) Do you even read what I wrote? I do not like the guy and I'm preferring a 100% opposite branch of psychology, dolt


Aberrant psychology and juvenile psychology and any branch not so infected with Freud are OK and some of the rest of psychology is coming along but there is a LONG way to go.

Juvenile psychology NOT infected with Freud? You have NO idea what you are talking about
 
2005-06-11 03:02:46 PM
About Jesus & possible homosexuality,

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_miss1.htm

The missing gospel is really interesting, too
 
2005-06-11 03:03:04 PM
walkingtall:

I am not sitting in a classroom or lab and making wild theories with no basis in real people's lives. I studied evolution theory, psychology and theology very well. I know just enough biology, astronomy, geology, genetics as it relates to evolution theory to be dangerous. I know human nature and quite a bit of history.

And a pot shot against academia too? Wow, you're just lining them all up, aren't you?
 
2005-06-11 03:03:43 PM
in my life i've smoked pot, drank beer, and had sex with multiple partners. i don't toke up anymore (random drug testings at work), only have sex with one woman (my girlfriend of a month or so more than a year), but still drink plenty of beer.

i'm on my first job after college (graduated a month ago) that gives me more money than a living wage and allows me to live in a nice apartment complex between midtown atlanta and buckhead. live with my roommate from freshman year and my girlfriend. my girlfriend and i sleep in the same bed.

on the whole i'm a happy person who enjoys where he is in life right now.

the moral of the story? that subscribing to a singular world view...this notion that only through abstaining and not doing anything with a flavor of youthful adventure will bring teenagers happiness and success after college...is bullshiate. i've done a lot of things i may not be proud from but i learned from them. it's called growing up.

i practice a mild belief in christianity...still trying to figure things out and all. but if there's one thing i believe, it's that god would rather us experience it all and figure out his greatness than to lock ourselves in a closet all day. that's just plain stupid. you make mistakes and you figure stuff out...that's the way the world works.

i've known many a friend too who has subscribed to these idiotic notions of "saving yourself" (in terms of sex, weed, booze, rock music, whatever) and OPENLY BROADCASTED THEM (didn't the big j say something about praying quietly in your own bedroom?) and turned out to be the biggest wastes ten years down the line. you deny your kids the ability to act upon their natural hormones and they will so be at risk to get the youth out of their system when it's too late to do so. i was a fullblown idiot four or so years ago; i'm not anymore. it's because i allowed my hormones to lead the way when it was necessary and now i don't have to anymore.
 
2005-06-11 03:03:54 PM
You know, in our society there are people who get off on amputees, wearing nappies, nipple clamps, etc...

...and I still think the sickest (legal) fetish is the religious obsession with bleeding virginal vagina.
 
2005-06-11 03:04:06 PM
lovehate:

My opinion of those classes were never really high to begin with. What I do credit them for, however, is the fact that they don't promote the "abstinence is the only method" mindset. So while the education may be somewhat incomplete, it lacks the complete ignorance of abstinence-only teaching.

/We learned that, if used effectively, condoms have an 85% success rate.
//PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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