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2005-06-08 05:48:24 PM


Nah, he's just a dummy.
 
2005-06-08 05:48:24 PM
FrontPageMag is more insane than WorldNetDaily at this point. And it's getting crazier by the day.
 
2005-06-08 05:49:08 PM
Whoa...

What I meant to say was

No, but belonging to a secretive movement which holds as its ultimate goal the usurpation of human rights and the overthrow of the constitution, which is funded and backed by a foreign nation which is hostile to your own, is.

Yeah, maybe. But we live in a country called "The United States of America," and what's sort of neat about this country is that holding unpopular views isn't actually illegal. See, we arrest people based on actions, not on thoughts.
 
2005-06-08 05:49:41 PM
What a great website. The three main stories on its front page:

Left Hijacks WTC Memorial
Weasel Carter: Shut Down Gitmo
Two in CA Linked to Al-Qaeda


Ahh, good stuff.
 
2005-06-08 05:50:09 PM
And also: Slightly off-topic, is the news that's actually happening TODAY really that frightening to repubs that they have to go fight yesterday's battles? Every republican slanted article I've seen for the three or four months has been straight out opinion, no facts. And not even topical. Doesn't say much about the ideology, if you ask me. Straight out flame-bait.
 
2005-06-08 05:50:15 PM
Sorry, Rev, I was too long seeking a fetchable image.
 
2005-06-08 05:50:23 PM
Wow, those accursed Commies sure did take over Hollywood and the US! McCarthy was right!

People flirted with stupid ideologies during those times. I guess we're not going to see a similar expose deriding Corporate America's past ties with Nazism/Fascism, or their current ties with any number of oppressive governments (most obviously the Communist Chinese?)

No? I didn't think so.
 
2005-06-08 05:51:15 PM
Conservatives: crucifying progressives since 33 CE.
 
2005-06-08 05:51:18 PM
havesometea

Are you talking about Bush?


Funny, because I was thinking the exact same thing when I read VJP's post.
 
2005-06-08 05:51:20 PM
The specifics of McCarthy's charges were wrong: He had no list X number (which kept changing) of communist agents working in the U.S. government. McCarthy's outrageous claims and ham-handed tactics set back the cause of anti-communism at least a decade.

However, the generalities of McCarthy's charges were right: There were communist agents in the federal government feeding information to the Soviet Union. As documentation plucked from the old Soviet archives amply proves beyond the shadow of a doubt, Alger Hiss and the Rosenbergs were spying for the Soviet Union. The American Communist Party (CPUSA) was not a home-grown political organization, it was fully controlled and funded by the Soviet Union (see The Secret World of American Communism and the Venona intercepts for confirmation; read Operation Solo if you want the exact fiugures for how much money the USSR was paying Gus Hall in any given year).

However, the link teaser is incorrect: McCarthy never really bothered himself much with Hollywood, even if House Committee on Un-American Activities did. Certainly there were communists in Hollywood, but they were far less of a concern than the people who gave Joseph Stalin nuclear and thermonuclear weapons.
 
2005-06-08 05:51:31 PM
Now I suspect the article is way overboard on the other side, although they do raise some interesting points.

One thing that is often overlooked is that for better or worse communism is a fundamentally revolutionary political philosophy. Anyone who has read the communist manifesto or paid any attention to the odd habit of communist countries to name everything 'the ______ of the revolution' should be able to ascertain that.

In that sense any sort of real communism clearly isn't just another political party in any traditional definition because it's fundamentally premised on the need for total societal upheaval.

Moreover it is absolutely pan-national in nature, and given the the Soviet Union was the global beachhead for communism at that time, it's perfectly reasonable to assume they might have had at least a mutual affinity... if not collaboration.

Now one could argue that communists in america were mainly a bunch of hazy liberals with socialist tendancies who chose an unfortunate label that denotes a degree of seriousness they never had...

If so, then they should at a minimum have become more familiar with what it is they are claiming to represent.

/I'd say the truth is somewhere in between.
 
2005-06-08 05:51:36 PM
evryone knows mcarthy was right, but went a little wacko/overboard. and it'll happen again if the lefties don't get with the program.
 
2005-06-08 05:51:42 PM
We republicans have always known it. Acting is gay. Liberals supports gayness. Therefore Hollywood is left leaning. Everything that doesn't comply with my republican views is gay and liberal. Long live Bush.


/shout outs go to Weaver, D_I_A, Gospel_of_Thomas, GaryPDX, HappyDaddy
 
2005-06-08 05:51:43 PM
Corvus:

A quick google search gives this.
 
2005-06-08 05:52:53 PM
Poot... Only a commie would say that! Are you a commie BOY! ARE YA!!!!!11!!1!!11

\funn anactode. I used to work for a state agency. I found out my boss was a card carring member of the communist party. I once made a joke that when I was in the military, I was trained to kill people like him, and now I'm working for him. Wasnt the world an interesting place? He didn't like my humor.
 
2005-06-08 05:53:00 PM
Actually to the people trying to rewrite history here, the worst thing was McCarthy used the label communist on anyone he didn't like when he had no proof what so ever.

And to say someone was anti-US and pro-soviet union if they were pro-communism is a distinction that you have created and project onto people.
 
2005-06-08 05:53:06 PM
Back then lots of the pseudo-intellectuals thought Communism/socialism was the shiznit because it was "new", and "modern" and "scientific", etc. These people simply hated alpha-male capitalist bosses, executive types, and the like, and seized on Communism as a wonderful alternative to the world they lived in, where they were answerable to the bottom line. As hard as they wished for it, reality never went away, and Capitalism remains as the most efficient, equitable and stable way of getting things done.

/Unless someone can *demonstrate*, not postulate, a better economic system.
//McCarthy WAS right.
///Try to throw off the liberal media programming. People in the movie industry/State Department/etc. were actually trying to steer us into a crappy economic, and deadly political, system.
 
2005-06-08 05:53:18 PM
That was certainly a wonderful, fact-based, unbiased, and intelligent commentary.
 
2005-06-08 05:53:27 PM
Seriously, I'm glad this horrible secret was finally revealed. I'm disgusted with those damn hollywood liberals! Good thing I'm a stupid jackass who believes everything I read.
 
2005-06-08 05:53:30 PM
McCarthy was a sick and delusional man, and for the submitter to try to resurrect him as a hero is pathetic.

Give it up, he will never be anything more than a warning about how the end does not justify the means.
 
2005-06-08 05:53:31 PM
2005-06-08 05:48:24 PM sigdiamond2000 [TotalFark]

FrontPageMag is more insane than WorldNetDaily at this point. And it's getting crazier by the day.

But I love 'em both. They're two of my guilty pleasures. There's nothing more entertaining than coming home from a long day at work, cracking a beer, and reading some of the most extreme right-wing garbage this side of shortwave radio. You have to wonder if these people realize how (unintentionally) funny most of their stuff is. The thought of Joseph Farah bawling himself to sleep and shiatting himself in fear over the prospect of Iran "knocking the US back to the 1700s" with an EMP weapon makes me giggle uncontrollably.
 
2005-06-08 05:53:33 PM
MacAurther was right!
 
2005-06-08 05:54:25 PM
 
2005-06-08 05:55:06 PM
Submitter should go back to blowing Ann Coulter's penis.
 
2005-06-08 05:55:47 PM
"To continue reading this article, click here."

Yeah, not gonna happen
 
2005-06-08 05:55:58 PM
Who cares if it's true or not. A free country means free to have your own secret communist organization if you so desire. The only ones the government should ever care about is those given special access to sensitive information or hardware that could be used to harm the US. No Hollywood weenie had that.
 
2005-06-08 05:56:21 PM
"Weasel Carter: Shut Down Gitmo"

Ya know I really cant respect anyone that tries to abuse Jimmy Carter. He had a terrible presidency due to things both in an out of his control, but dammit when one of your primary goals in life is to build hoses for low income people with your bare hands; seriously the man is good, in the plain old spiritual sense.

And I say this as a non-spiritual person. He puts his money where his mouth is.
 
2005-06-08 05:56:23 PM
Paranoia, the destroya.
 
2005-06-08 05:56:41 PM
I laughed, I cried, then I read the article.


I mostly laughed.


/beyond a "stupid" tag.
 
2005-06-08 05:56:59 PM


Michelle Malkin is a clueless tool. If the people she supports had had free reign in US history, she'd be pressing shirts, not enjoying the beer and skittles as a Washington pundit.

Now, McCarthy, while he may very well have been correct that there were Communists all over America, did staggering damage to American democracy and freedom. The only person I can think of who did more to undermine America from an official position was Hoover (though I'm sure there are many worse who we never knew).
 
2005-06-08 05:57:41 PM
Here in my hands I have a list of things. Though I'm not sure what it says on the list, or what I'm saying this for, I am sure of one thing. September 11. Now get them!!1
 
2005-06-08 05:58:11 PM
I don't see why people could have been bloodthirsty anti-communist during a stand-off war because communists are traitors when traitors had been found, charged, and convicted earlier during WWII under a trading with the enemy act during war time.
 
2005-06-08 05:58:14 PM
Is Drew a neo-con?
say it aint so.
 
2005-06-08 05:59:05 PM
raistphrk

Conservatives: crucifying progressives since 33 CE.

Progressive is a totally useless and loaded term. Who are progressives, oh people in favor of PROGRESS... who's against progress? No one! Only evil cavemen, probably.

Except where do we get the notion that's what is called progressivism today has anything particularly new about it (more or less than any other major political movement)?

Ideas that anyone claims as 'progressive' has coexisted with those labeled 'conservative' (although we might as well go all out with our loaded terms and call them 'reactionaries' instead) throughout history.

Sorry, there just isn't anything much new out there in terms of moral thought or social ideas.

Anyway the whole notion of 'progress' in society is kind of a ridiculous one when applied to human society. You can make progress in car design, because you can build better cars... but humans have had the same intellectual capacity and essentially rotten moral nature throughout recorded history and there's no 'progress' to be made in that regard. You can pretend like people have changed and don't want to rape and pillage and steal anymore, and then design systems accordingly, but the fact is people haven't changed and your system will fail.

That's the real problem with socialism anyway, it's a lovely idea if you think about it. It would represent real 'PROGRESS' if it was feasible. But it's not feasible because the constituents of the system are the same rotten bastards they've always been. That kind of 'progress' is false, dressing monkeys up in business suits and assuming we've taught them to run the world.
 
2005-06-08 05:59:24 PM
Those damned Hollywood commies. It's too bad that entertainment is the #1 export in America and driving our capitalist economy, or else the armchair conservatives might actually back up their spin jockeying with action.
 
2005-06-08 05:59:43 PM
Maxwell_Demon, Wintermute, Sussman, Something_Else, Paranoia_Agent et al

I submitted this because it was the dumbest thing I've seen so far today. Note the "Stupid" tag.

Revising history to smear a particular group of people, to paint them as evil, conspiratorial demons is a hallmark of fascism. This rewriting of the McCarthy era is one of the most fascinating and scary examples of right wing revisionsim I have ever seen.

I thought some might find it as amusing as it is horrifying.
 
2005-06-08 05:59:49 PM
Nathan.

I don't think anyone is trying to paint McCarthy as some sort of hero. Mainly, i think this article outlines how reactionary the left is about their commie history and how the people that shape the culture war have a tendancy to discolor the reality of history. Just like I am sure there were NAZI sympathizers in WW2 working in the US, there were commie sympathizers in the US durring the cold war. What's more important? Understanding the real scope of the Soviet infiltration into the shaping of American society, or the fact that a the personality of the man who exposed it was reprehensible?
 
2005-06-08 06:00:02 PM


"Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"


damn right.
 
2005-06-08 06:00:24 PM
Charlie McCarthy, maybe.
 
2005-06-08 06:00:30 PM
PimpJuice

Submitter should go back to blowing Ann Coulter's penis.


too funny
 
2005-06-08 06:01:22 PM
LocalCynic:

It's too bad that entertainment is the #1 export in America and driving our capitalist economy, or else the armchair conservatives might actually back up their spin jockeying with action.


do you actually believe what you post or do you just make things up for the hell of it? entertainment is our #1 export!?!?!?
 
2005-06-08 06:01:43 PM
BlindMan:

That's the real problem with socialism anyway, it's a lovely idea if you think about it. It would represent real 'PROGRESS' if it was feasible. But it's not feasible because the constituents of the system are the same rotten bastards they've always been. That kind of 'progress' is false, dressing monkeys up in business suits and assuming we've taught them to run the world.

That kind of sounds like capitalism actually, which is as much an Englightenment endeavor as scientific positivism. Convince people that you've made a new product when really you're just reinventing the wheel.
 
2005-06-08 06:02:46 PM
That the conservative right has been emboldened enough to drag this boogey man out is pretty crappy.
 
2005-06-08 06:03:05 PM
MrLint:

Ya know I really cant respect anyone that tries to abuse Jimmy Carter. He had a terrible presidency due to things both in an out of his control, but dammit when one of your primary goals in life is to build [houses] for low income people with your bare hands; seriously the man is good, in the plain old spiritual sense.

And I say this as a non-spiritual person. He puts his money where his mouth is.


As an Atheist, I can honestly say I think Carter puts the decency in "Christian decency". Every President ends up doing terrible things, but since then I think that as a private citizen he has shown what he really cares about.
 
2005-06-08 06:03:36 PM
I thought about registering as a Communist just to shake things up at the voter's registration office. Then I decided there might be undue effects from something I don't actually believe in. I went indie.
 
2005-06-08 06:03:47 PM
Zelmo:

Um...maybe because the people working with the USSR with the goal of destroying the democracy of this country are evil conspiratorial demons? Not all communists, of course, but many of the people who gave the orders to others in the CPUSA certainly were.

Flame on!
 
2005-06-08 06:04:11 PM
too frekin long too read.
what was that about the jews controlling american film..
 
2005-06-08 06:04:16 PM
note the use of the "stupid" tag.

the article is almost dumb enough to be considered satire.
 
2005-06-08 06:04:18 PM
I would imagine that people suffer from disease and hunger now less than they ever have. That's progress to me.
 
2005-06-08 06:04:34 PM
 
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