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(Baltimore Sun)   Today's "We lost hundreds of thousands of social security numbers" story brought to you by Citibank   (baltimoresun.com ) divider line
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2005-06-08 10:20:26 AM  
You only protect yourself so much...then it's up to the companies who have the data to help protect us.
 
2005-06-08 10:38:47 AM  
These corporations shouldn't have our Social Security numbers to begin with. Now SS is in the toilet and we are all nameless numbers.
 
2005-06-08 10:41:19 AM  
Inside job...probably one at Citi and one at UPS.

4 million identities could probably go for at least a dollar per, if not more.

This is a major heist.
 
2005-06-08 10:48:09 AM  
Yay! So glad I have such crap credit that these theiving asshats would be denied a card if they tried to open one in my name.

Slackness... it pays.
 
2005-06-08 10:54:01 AM  
From now on, if you say "today's blah blah blah brought to you by..." you should first check to make sure it isn't "two day's ago's blah blah blah"
 
2005-06-08 10:59:25 AM  
Real ID will fix all of this

Won't it?
 
2005-06-08 11:08:01 AM  
Dear Readers: This is old news, but I keep on getting to explain it.

This happened at my husband's office, involving his department.

Want the real story? Of course you do.

They sent 20 boxes of data out via UPS. They have records, both paper and surveillance tapes that have been reviewed frame by frame, that each and every box was put into the truck. Therefore, when the UPS truck left Weehawken, they were all there. When the bunch of boxes reached their destination, there were only 17.

That, my loves, means that not one, but three boxes are missing. UPS lost them, not Citigroup.

The FBI has been working with his department trying to find the boxes. UPS is in some real deep brown, gotta tell you. One FBI person said "We still have the truck, why don't we take apart the dashboard and see if they fell down in there?"

The boxes are 18x18x12. Puleeze.

The data is not encrypted. My husband has been trying for years to end this practice and encrypt everything, and now - he wins. But these poor schmucks lose, because he also says that contrary to what the public has been told, every bit of the information can be used illegally by anyone with the right software. And they're betting that the people who took the boxes already have the right software, or they wouldn't have bothered in the first place..

And like Jeebus_Frist says, crap credit is the only way you are safe from this, if you are a Citibank customer.

What a clusterfark.

 
2005-06-08 11:10:27 AM  
darkhorse23: The data is not encrypted. My husband has been trying for years to end this practice and encrypt everything, and now - he wins.

No, no. Haven't you heard? Only terrorists encrypt their data.
 
2005-06-08 11:13:49 AM  
Exactly. That's the kind of shiat he's been fighting.
 
2005-06-08 11:28:32 AM  
So what do we do?
 
2005-06-08 11:33:34 AM  
You keep a sharp eye out for anything showing up on your credit record that shouldn't be there. Check every entry on any credit card bill that you get.

The credit record is how you find if anyone is using your information to open up bogus accounts. If they do, it will automatically show up there. If it does happen, dispute it immediately and start making phone calls.

Out of the almost 4 million people affected, they doubt that more than about 1% will get hit. But you won't know if you are part of that percentage unless you are eagle-eyed.
 
2005-06-08 12:18:08 PM  
darkhorse23 correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there some ability that the 3 major credit agencies have that will notify you of *any* "abnormal" activity on an account? I remember a story, and it may be just that, about a woman who after getting married and changing everything over to her new name, notified some such agency and ANY activity was to be reported to her immediately, as that identity no longer "existed". Pain in the ass but it seems like having credit is like have a PC these days. Awesome to have and use, but first install your firewall, run your updates, activate your antispyware software and registry monitors, install AV software and update THAT, then do weekly backups of all essential data in case you catch the online equivalent of the clap. But hey, those kinda people pay my bills. On second thought......carry on.
 
2005-06-08 12:19:23 PM  
That's true too. They've done it for us. But it doesn't happen every time, though, so I never rely on anyone else to watch my stuff for me.
 
2005-06-08 12:22:38 PM  
Just remember folks, the government ONLY wants this kind of information tracked because, after all, it's in your best interest
 
2005-06-08 12:49:13 PM  
Oh farking great.
 
2005-06-08 01:55:57 PM  
Such an inside job. Customer data not being sent secured, riiight. farktards. GAH!

Thank goodness I dropped my Citibank card a long time ago...not old customer data was it darkhorse23?
 
2005-06-08 01:59:05 PM  
This sort of thing almost deserves it's own tag by now...Anti-Government pundits: Do really think self-policing works for these companies? All they understand are fines.
 
2005-06-08 01:59:31 PM  
Another reason not to trust banks

/keep my money in a jar labeled hair and toenail clippings
 
2005-06-08 02:01:05 PM  
Paranoia_Agent
"This sort of thing almost deserves it's own tag by now...Anti-Government pundits: Do really think self-policing works for these companies? All they understand are fines."

Are you telling me that after this story breaks, many people will not drop their Citibank cards? If I had a Citibank card, I would. The economic loss and reputation damage exceeds the fines.
 
2005-06-08 02:01:47 PM  
darkhorse23 correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there some ability that the 3 major credit agencies have that will notify you of *any* "abnormal" activity on an account?

No. They don't. They might have that ability, but they don't use it unless you ask them to put a freeze on your credit report. Equifax, Experian and Trans Union. I know them well because I've been fighting fraudulent credit accounts opened up under my name across the country for the last month. Good to see who the hell is responsible for this.
 
2005-06-08 02:02:55 PM  
FedEx is so much better than UPS.
It's the difference between union and non-union
 
2005-06-08 02:03:45 PM  
Not everyone is as topical as you and me. And you know how much is involved in switching banking institutions? I'm guessing it will be negligible.
 
2005-06-08 02:04:12 PM  
By the way, does anyone have a non-registration copy of the article?
 
2005-06-08 02:05:20 PM  
Fark, where you get Monday's news on Wednesday, and Thursday, and reposted on Friday too.
 
2005-06-08 02:05:49 PM  
Jeebus_Frist:

Yay! So glad I have such crap credit that these theiving asshats would be denied a card if they tried to open one in my name

My thoughts exactly. Maybe this is actually a plot to encourage us to completely max out our credit.

/needed no encouragement
//rejected by CitiBank last week
///Uhohh that means they had my SSN!
 
2005-06-08 02:06:36 PM  
Can I borrow someone's identity for a bit so I can read the farking article?
 
2005-06-08 02:08:04 PM  
I buy everything I need with seashells. I currently pay 127 seashells a month for my car. And I get a discount on my insurance because the place is by the beach so I pretty much just pick the shells up on the way to paying my bills.

Yea, that's what the three sea shells were for!
 
2005-06-08 02:08:14 PM  
2005-06-08 12:18:08 PM qnadad [TotalFark]

darkhorse23 correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there some ability that the 3 major credit agencies have that will notify you of *any* "abnormal" activity on an account? I remember a story, and it may be just that, about a woman who after getting married and changing everything over to her new name, notified some such agency and ANY activity was to be reported to her immediately, as that identity no longer "existed". Pain in the ass but it seems like having credit is like have a PC these days. Awesome to have and use, but first install your firewall, run your updates, activate your antispyware software and registry monitors, install AV software and update THAT, then do weekly backups of all essential data in case you catch the online equivalent of the clap. But hey, those kinda people pay my bills. On second thought......carry on.


Doubtful, since the credit agencies track you by your SSN, so unless you got a new number it doesn't matter what you changed your name to.

You can file a fraud alert with each credit agency which is good for 6 months, which is supposed to flag credit companies to be careful and contact you first, but they are not required to do it. It's really up to the lenders whether or not they issue credit in your name, and there is nothing you can do about it. The credit reporting agencies just report it, and you have to prove its not you in order to clear your name, which can be quite difficult.
 
2005-06-08 02:08:24 PM  
I just emailed Citibank my account number and PIN for verification purposes, so I should be OK, right?

Right?
 
2005-06-08 02:08:27 PM  
"oops, my bad"
[image from rickey.org too old to be available]
 
2005-06-08 02:08:36 PM  
darkhorse23 - quit trying to confuse us with the truth. What are you, a libertarian?
 
2005-06-08 02:08:38 PM  
Pass a law holding credit card companies responsible for identity-theft damages, and I'll bet this problem would vanish practically overnight.
 
2005-06-08 02:08:57 PM  
Actually, I just looked at my cards and I remembered that a store card I have is through CitiFinancial, so I called them and asked them if my account info was part of the stolen shipment. The guy looked it up and said no. However, he could be lying. I think I'll call back later and request a certified letter that my info was not in that shipment.
 
2005-06-08 02:09:44 PM  
I didn't have to register to read it...?
 
2005-06-08 02:09:46 PM  
This is so confusing. Can I just give one of you guys my social security number, bank account numbers, birthdate, name, and blood type. You could keep it safe for me, right?
 
2005-06-08 02:11:23 PM  
I'm pretty sure shiattyBank has just about every social security number in the US, since I get apps from them all the time and they show up on my credit reports even though I have never ever done business or applied for a loan with them. They are a very large company.
 
2005-06-08 02:11:31 PM  
all is forgiven
[image from d94132.u23.simplenet.com too old to be available]
 
2005-06-08 02:11:49 PM  
The economic loss and reputation damage exceeds the fines.

That's very funny.
 
2005-06-08 02:12:46 PM  
whoa! let me give you my package hunny!
 
2005-06-08 02:14:07 PM  
Citigroup... because individual customers really aren't that important.


[image from img264.echo.cx too old to be available]
Witness the Citibank Building in Woodside, Queens, NY -- the only skyscraper for miles around. It's a giant corporate penis, and it's got syph.
 
2005-06-08 02:14:22 PM  
After people biatched a lot, my university quit using SS#'s as ID's. Everyone has a student ID#. Yet, I got my roster this semester and there they were--SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS.

So I have numbers to 40 students on a piece of paper. It sucks for the students to have to use that. A friend used her STUDENT ID at an office on campus (not financial aid) and they said, "Oh yeah, those don't work, they are just on your ID, we need your social security number."

Why? They shouldn't even be allowed to ASK for your social security number.
 
2005-06-08 02:14:30 PM  
I dare someone the try to get my social security number and use it to their advantage. Let the poor bastards deal with the pain in my ass that is my credit rating. Suckers.

/00x-8x.1xxx
//had some problems in my day
 
2005-06-08 02:15:13 PM  
Diablopop

"That's very funny."

Why? People don't like to do business with companies that are sloppy with their data.
 
2005-06-08 02:15:19 PM  
I have a delivery for Miss UPS!
 
2005-06-08 02:15:20 PM  
Agnosto said:
FedEx is so much better than UPS.
It's the difference between union and non-union


I disagree...
For some unknown reason FedEx always drops packages off at my next door neighbors house (my address is right above my front door - you can't miss it!) I have complained to FedEx many times and they still deliver to my neighbor. I have to make sure the company I buy stuff from is willing to ship UPS and only buy from someone who ships UPS. The post office, friends, service people, and delivery people can find my house but FedEx can't. Why is it the FedEx drivers is the only person who can't read a number? FedEx also lost 2 of my packages last year which the seller had to put a claim in. I have NEVER had a problem when something was shipped in or out via UPS.
 
2005-06-08 02:15:23 PM  
Yeah, this is 3 day old news, plus it was submitted with a way funnier headline, but got rejected cause the link had already been submitted.

Headline: What can Brown do for you? Help you and 3.9 million others become the victims of identity theft.


/old news
 
2005-06-08 02:15:59 PM  
I didn't have to register to read it...?

Thanks for the cut-and-paste.
 
2005-06-08 02:16:27 PM  
That's very funny.

And very true.

It is also a good benefit of punitive damages, as they CAN exceed fines plus they get a lot of stuff in the open. But Bush says punitive damages are bad, so I believe he'll handle this.
 
2005-06-08 02:17:44 PM  
Also, Bank of America had a similar(I would even say worse) problem, and they are doing quite well.

Link

Q.E.D
 
2005-06-08 02:18:00 PM  
yeah, citibank "lost" the data. in other news, citibank lower-middle-management-types head to local shoney's parking lot, thrilled to find stereo speakers "that fell off the back of a truck" being sold at 10% of retail.
 
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