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2005-06-05 09:36:37 AM
New fruit flys now 75% more fruity
 
2005-06-05 09:40:48 AM
How do the scientists know that the particular fruit flies under scrutiny didn't just catch the gay at some previous point...?
 
jre
2005-06-05 09:45:20 AM
StretchCannon
You can no longer claim that God hates gays, or he wouldn't make gay things. Unless God is all about letting something be born that is automatically "going to hell".

That would make sense if the "Christians" who are out to get homosexuals in the first place cared about what Jesus had to say. They're fans of the old Testament deity, who "hardened the heart" of the Pharaoh into denying the pleas of Moses to end the Hebrew slavery. This permitted the plagues of Egypt (sent by God) to continue. Why? Just so God could "prove" himself.

When's the last time you've heard a fundamentalist quote Jesus, outside of John 3:16? Everything else is Paul or the OT.

A malicious god (Yahweh), not a loving god (Jesus), is the god of these people. The existence of homosexuals, so they could be sent to hell, is what these people get off on.
 
2005-06-05 09:49:10 AM
That's your business. Get what makes you happy.
 
jre
2005-06-05 09:56:03 AM
NavyBlues
Yet children who are molested wind up being gay much more than children who are not. Makes you wonder...

Partially true: it does make me wonder, but on what orifice you pulled that out of.
 
2005-06-05 09:56:56 AM
jre:

2005-06-05 09:45:20 AM jre

StretchCannon
You can no longer claim that God hates gays, or he wouldn't make gay things. Unless God is all about letting something be born that is automatically "going to hell".

That would make sense if the "Christians" who are out to get homosexuals in the first place cared about what Jesus had to say. They're fans of the old Testament deity, who "hardened the heart" of the Pharaoh into denying the pleas of Moses to end the Hebrew slavery. This permitted the plagues of Egypt (sent by God) to continue. Why? Just so God could "prove" himself.

When's the last time you've heard a fundamentalist quote Jesus, outside of John 3:16? Everything else is Paul or the OT.

A malicious god (Yahweh), not a loving god (Jesus), is the god of these people. The existence of homosexuals, so they could be sent to hell, is what these people get off on.


Right on, I've asked a berjillion times to have the quote where Jesus himself condems homosexuality. And I have yet to hear it. If Jesus was "The New Deal" of the Bible, then why don't Christians want to stick to what he said? Which was basically, treat everyone the way you want to be treated.

I mean, so few religions incorporate the name of their truly important figure in the religion into the name of the religion, and "Christians" just want to ignore him? You don't see Buddhists ignoring Buddha in this way...
 
2005-06-05 10:05:11 AM
syquest:

Considering all of the available scientific research, homosexuality is most likely a genetic trait. Sadly, the Orwellian day will come when mothers will terminate pregnancies based on the results of genetic prenatal tests that indicate the presence of the gay gene.

Songbird:

Luckily, the wonderful day will come when mothers will be having prenatal surgery to correct all sorts of mistakes and genetic illnesses found in our little ones.

If there is such a thing as a genetic mistake that causes homosexuality, it will be just one more mistake to clear up.


One right after another. Wow.

This thread has shows me that the religous right's claim that "it's a choice" is just a smokescreen. They could conclude conclusivly that it's not a choice and the Fundies will still say, "But the buttsex is a choice."

They are twisting science to push their biggoted agenda and when science refuses to bend to the will, they have another angle. Sickening.
 
2005-06-05 10:33:11 AM
ZAZ

You call marriage a REWARD?!?!?!

/psycho
 
2005-06-05 10:33:21 AM
BearToy, good point ("Anything else tends to be play and experimentation from people who don't fit neatly into any of our pidgeon holes."). The problem with being a bi female is that if you tell anyone, they only define you by that from then on. Straight men only think about getting you to participate in 3-ways. Straight women are freaked out that you're "predatory". Gays think you're a dilettante who can choose to "pass" anytime you want, and avoid all discrimination. And nobody takes your work or opinions seriously after that.
 
2005-06-05 10:33:32 AM
Roy_G_Biv

To answer your query, how does two men kissing harm you physically? I'm not going to muck about with the ethics of hate crime legislation, but hopefully it's apparent that there's a great ethical latitude between two men kissing each other and two men killing each other. I shouldn't have to explain that.

Also, were you to RTFA you posted, they don't discuss "rewarding" bigotry at all. Rather, they discuss how we can work to reduce it on the grounds that it is counter-productive to functioning in contemporary society. And before you smartly reply "but why can't we 'reduce' homosexuality because it is counter-productive to society?" please refer to the previous paragraph. If the answer isn't obvious to you then you should just get off this thread.

As an aside: whenever you engage in buttsex, USE PROTECTION. Even if you're in a heterosexual monogamous relationship.
 
2005-06-05 10:46:02 AM
On certain subjects, Fark has a tendency to get downright scary.

One gets the feeling that there are at least a handful of farkers who would have given Matthew Shepherd's assailants high fives.
 
2005-06-05 10:50:00 AM
On certain subjects, America has a tendency to get downright scary, songoku.
 
2005-06-05 10:51:26 AM
mediaho

You posted both my thread and the one I made fun of, but you couldn't see the satire in mine?

Open your eyes and reread. I think you'll find your heartburn is with me, syquest is a buttbuddy of yours. (so to speak)
 
2005-06-05 10:54:13 AM
Songbird:

You posted both my thread and the one I made fun of, but you couldn't see the satire in mine?

Ah crap! It's early and I'm pre-caffienated.
 
2005-06-05 10:58:38 AM
No, wait. I get it songbird. You're a bigot. I realized syquest was on the right side but didn't realize you posted in response. My mistake was thinking they were coincidental.
 
2005-06-05 10:59:16 AM
mediaho:

On certain subjects, America has a tendency to get downright scary, songoku.

Indeed they do. I think we need some more research into the brain disorder commonly called fundamentalism in this country. I would gladly put up some $ to help rid our country of this disease that strikes about 60 - 70% of our population. Fundamentalist religion should be treated as the mental disorder that it is.
 
2005-06-05 11:03:01 AM
mediaho

Well then we're even. Because I thing you're a fruitcake.
 
2005-06-05 11:04:13 AM
Songbird: syquest is a buttbuddy of yours. (so to speak)

And not that it matters, but I'm 100% heterosexual. The difference is my Good Book is the Constitution and the Bill of Rights instead of the Old Testament and the New Testament.

As one guy (who some people thought had a genetic defect - blackness) once said, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
 
2005-06-05 11:12:09 AM

Just for Songbird
 
dpr
2005-06-05 11:20:50 AM
My brother came out of the closet last night.

All you anti-gay people who insist this is "wrong" and "against God's will" like certain family members who are already trying to disown my brother..well, you really need to look inside yourself and see if you have a heart or not.

I'm starting to think those who can't accept gays as actual human beings with feelings, hopes, dreams and fears are probably not human themselves.

I truly feel sorry for those who cannot accept gay people as regular human beings. It must be really hard living with no heart.
 
2005-06-05 11:27:36 AM
Dr Michael Weiss, chairman of biochemistry at Ohio University, was as surprised at the findings. "It seems that none of us chooses our sexuality. It just happens. The results are so clean and compelling, the whole field of the genetic roots of behaviour is moved forward tremendously by this work," he said

Actually chairman of Case Western Reserve University. It's a rare day when I see my PI quoted on Fark.
 
2005-06-05 11:29:52 AM
xeronimo:

This is totally stupid, I mean, you're not "born" gay, you choose it. Gayness is a behaviour, not a medical condition. If you make a choice to do something, that's a behaviour. The only thing "genetic" about being "gay" is perhaps increased nerves in your sphincter that makes it more sensitive than other males. Perhaps another genetic thing is an increased affinity for body types of the same gender as yours. Perhaps another genetic trait for a man would be a "taste" for semen, or for women perhaps a "taste" for vaginal fluid.

Interesting... so can you pinpoint the time in your life that you chose to be straight? Because by your logic, you were equally disposed to both. How many times a day do you have to quash that urge for hot gaysex that you share with all those damn fags who choose to give in to it?
 
2005-06-05 11:36:29 AM
Seufzer


theMagni:

I think bisexuality comes from wanting to double your chances of getting a date.

Seriously, the gene's probably half-on. They aren't binary switches.

/not a biologist

From everything I've read on genetically determined behavior, specifically sexual behavior, as well as some reasoning, I'd say you're about half right. Genes are, in fact, binary (either off or on). I think it's more of a case of a few genes rather than just one, which might account for the "magnitude of gayness" (sorry for the poor wording).

/biomed major
//gay


Well, I don't know much, but this crap sounds an awful lot like narcolepsy. Theor's probably a gene that is mainly responsible for this shiat, with a few others helping along. Gayness is probably not passed along, although having people in the family who are gay will probably increase the chances of you turning gay. Also, your surroundings probably play a large role in this (in Japan, a shiat load of people have narcolepsy. This is because they live in small spaces, with flourescant lights, work a lot, don't sleep a lot, etc). Also, their are probably drugs that will offset the effects of gayness

/Bored
//Just wanted to say something relevant
///Basically copied everything from my Narcolepsy report and stuck it here
 
2005-06-05 11:36:55 AM
That the nutbars distorting the Bible into declaring America the "New Jerusalem" and preaching hatred, hell and damnation against everyone from the slightly-less-born-again-than-I down to the Evil Roman Catholics haven't been struck by a thunderbolt or turned into pillars of salt yet is strong evidence that God has lost interest in the mess humans make of everything they touch. I find it utterly absurd that I was considered a fundamentalist in the UK, but would still be considered a Godless Communist Subhuman by Jerry Falwell et al.

That GE fruit flies are gay is no evidence for anything in particular. Sure, it's possible to screw up the endocrine system both genetically and through environmental chemicals. It doesn't prove that homosexuality comes naturally to fruit flies, so it certainly doesn't prove that it come naturally to higher species like humans, whose complexity is orders of magnitude higher. This research is worthless. What would be interesting is to explore whether human sexual preferences are independent of the presence of certain polutants known to be endocrine distruptors, and how paricular economic and social conditions distort human sexual preferences.
 
2005-06-05 11:47:59 AM
jeffcor13:

When are they going to find a gene proving that this guy would be an asshat? I can't wait until all personally responsibility is gone! Yeah! Brave New World, here we come!

Are you really Christian?
 
2005-06-05 11:50:47 AM
"What would be interesting is to explore whether human sexual preferences are independent of the presence of certain polutants known to be endocrine distruptors, and how paricular economic and social conditions distort human sexual preferences."

See, now THAT is how you troll a new site.
 
2005-06-05 11:53:58 AM
No matter what evidence is thrown out there to prove that homosexuality isn't a "choice", as the religious fanatics think, it will not change their minds. They're set on intollerance and hate, which is quite ironic, considering that they come from a religion that bases its teachings on tollerance and love. Christianity is about living a Christ-like life, and I'm sorry, but I simply can't picture Jesus holding a picket sign saying, "God hates gays".

We're slowly moving in a direction where religion is the greatest political power in the United States, and that sets us on a very dangerous road. I'm nervous to see where that road ends.
 
2005-06-05 11:59:15 AM
Emperor_Spleen

all Christians who refuse to follow any teachings of Christ except "No man comes to the Father except through me" will be renamed Neo-Jews.

Eh, labelling fundamentalists "neo-Jews" is, I think, a slander against Jewish people. I know a lot of Jews, and for the most part, they tend to be liberal, tolerant people.
 
2005-06-05 12:00:18 PM
BearToy


Hacker_X: I highly doubt homosexuality in humans is genetic.

I am reminded of an article in Science Weekly called "Unproductive pairing". The observation is that homosexuality occurs in animals that supposedly have no ability to choose such a behavior. The obvious question is, what possibly survival advantage could homosexuality provide? Why would the processes of evolution result in homosexuality continuing to occur.

They selected wolf packs since they are social and relatively advanced. They found a pack in which one male seemed to prefer mounting other males. After weeks of observation they learned that while the 'straight' males were out on a hunt, the 'gay' male would stay back with the females and pups. On occasions when the females and cubs were threatened by another animal the gay male would become as virile as any of the straight males as he snarled, growled and attacked the threat if necessary. When not threatened he helped in caring for the pups and social grooming.

Their conclusion was that, at least in societal animals, it is beneficial for a small portion of that society to contribute to it without taxing it by breeding. Those societies that benefitted from this arrangement had better survivability and therefore the trait was transmitted to the next generation.

It may be that genes that cause homosexuality are naturally switched on in small minority. Of course in human societies where homosexuals are encouraged to breed in order to be 'normal', what would usually be a small population may be getting larger.

I saw a documentary, where they where talking about two different monkies. One group would fark like a once a year, and they wouldn't enjoy it. The other ones would fark anytime, anywhere, with everyone. Like, they would fark upside down, hump dudes, hump chicks, hump anything that wasn't nailed down. The point is, the sex-hating monkies aren't too common, while the sex liking monkies are. I dunno.
 
2005-06-05 12:10:23 PM
deathbunny32:

Those societies that benefitted from this arrangement had better survivability and therefore the trait was transmitted to the next generation.

How was the gene transmitted, because the homosexual animal wasn't "procreating"?
 
2005-06-05 12:13:38 PM
switch on? switch back? regardless of what the cause of
homosexuality i think there will bring a strong impulse
to use any scientific proof of its cause as a basis for
"correcting" this "deficiency"
 
2005-06-05 12:14:31 PM
dpr: My brother came out of the closet last night.

Thanks for being there for him. It takes an awful lot of guts to come out to your family.

My sister-in-law is not so lucky. Her parents are dyed in the wool fundy "Christians" (I use quotes because in this regard they behave nothing like how Christ taught). After coming out to them (after the initial hysterical freakout on their part) it's been non-stop haranging about how she supposedly "chose" to act on her homosexuality, pamphlets about ex-gay ministries, "you're going to hell unless you leave that woman", etc. In a sense it might have been kinder had they went with their first instinct and disowned her completely. She's considering cutting them out of her life, painful as that is. More painful is leaving them IN her life.

This is a woman who has been "married" to her partner as long as I have been married to my husband, is just as committed as we are to each other. She has 2 (adorable) 5 year old twins with her partner. The couple and their children are decent, hard-working, loving people. The crap they have to deal with on a daily basis from all sides in unbelievable. God help the kids as they grow up in this crazy world. I don't know how they all get along as well as they do-- it's hard enough to go through life and raise kids without having to deal with the ignorant bastards as well.

I often wander on to these threads thinking, well, maybe this time I'll jump into the conversation and understand why people have this need to hurt and revile people who pose no threat whatsoever to them. Every time I turn away empty, and I think it's because the hate is burned in early in life, it's firmware instead of software. Reason doesn't touch it. Too deep.

I wish I could fast forward 40 years and see the newer generation wash the stain of prejudice out a little more. Some of it will hide, but some of it will die out with the older bigots. It has happened with other prejudices, this is just the latest.

In the meantime, I still need to find a way to deal with people who won't listen to reason and who won't stop their hate. Any ideas would be appreciated.
 
2005-06-05 12:17:15 PM
tarrant84

How was the gene transmitted, because the homosexual animal wasn't "procreating"?

Your ideas about genetics are about 140 years behind the times, and went out with Mendel's description of recessive traits.
 
2005-06-05 12:19:43 PM
tarran84

there is something called overdominance fittest of the heterozygote in other word the alleles AB paired together
is more fit then the A allele paired with itself as in AA
or B paired as BB, so in this case if BB caused homosexuality then it would persist even if there was no/less reproductivity since the AB types outreproduce the AA types
 
2005-06-05 12:24:33 PM
tarrant84: How was the gene transmitted, because the homosexual animal wasn't "procreating"?

One theory is that the gay animal has a tendency to protect siblings' offspring. Siblings share dormant forms of the gene, which get passed along.
 
2005-06-05 12:26:28 PM
2005-06-05 09:09:20 AM Roy_G_Biv

According to a new study from Arizona State University, the tendency to be prejudiced is a form of common sense, hard-wired into the human brain through evolution as an adaptive response to protect our prehistoric ancestors from danger.

So bigots can't help it, and therefore shouldn't be punished. So all hate crime and anti-discrimination laws should be declared Unconstitutional.

/According to the prevailing logic here.



Right, right, right. Of course, those laws are present to protect those who are victims of discrimination, and whose genetic predispositions do not cause harm to other human beings.

And, of course, people are born inclined to be prejudiced, not certain to be. In fact, I must share this prejudice gene, even though I can hardly be considered prejudiced. Bigots can change. Homosexuals can't.

In fact, homosexuals and bisexuals are born that way for a damn good reason. The prevalence of the gay gene is nature's response to human overpopulation. It's a good thing that there are so many gays and bis out there, for the good of our ecosystem.

I could shout the conclusion from the rooftops of this thread:

HOMOSEXUALS AND BISEXUALS ARE BETTER PEOPLE THAN WE ARE.
 
2005-06-05 12:29:06 PM
N. S. Radieaux:

And, of course, people are born inclined to be prejudiced, not certain to be. In fact, I must share this prejudice gene, even though I can hardly be considered prejudiced. Bigots can change. Homosexuals can't.

Not to mention that acting on bigotry hurts others, while acting on homosexuality does not.
 
2005-06-05 12:33:40 PM
matt2891 -
However, considering that homosexuality in animals continues to proliferate, i dont think it could be argued that homosexuality is detrimental to a species as a whole.


Did you just argue that the "switch gene" is a persistent evolutionary change? How is it passed from one generation to the next?

I don't want to put a damper on the collective crisco orgy that gays seem to be having over this discovery, but have any of you considered the (very dark) implications of this research? The ease with which you logically declared that homosexuality is beneficial to the species could just as easily be applied to produce the idea that homosexuality is a congenital disease. That could result in several very bad things:

-homosexual treatment institutions (dare I say camps) intended to treat this new "disease" with reeducation and hormone therapy.

-prenatal detection of the switch gene resulting in abortion of the homosexual baby.

-When genetic screening becomes an employment/health insurance/credit requirement (and it will), you can be discriminated against based on revelation of your sexual orientation, even if you wanted to keep it private.

Science cuts both ways, and on the whole, I would say that this is very chilling for gays and gay rights.
 
2005-06-05 12:34:03 PM
cosmiquemuffin

One theory is that the gay animal has a tendency to protect siblings' offspring. Siblings share dormant forms of the gene, which get passed along.

True, but I think that's too simplstic. Under that theory, homosexuality would tend to run in families, and I haven't seen any evidence that it does.

To the extent that sexual orientation in humans has a genetic basis, I think it's likely to be a polygenic trait (like height, for example). This would explain why you don't see simple patterns of inheritance.
 
2005-06-05 12:34:14 PM
cosmiquemuffin:

In the meantime, I still need to find a way to deal with people who won't listen to reason and who won't stop their hate. Any ideas would be appreciated.

If you find it let me know...

I think traveling the world and having to rely on and trust many people from many backgrounds helps, but generally these types don't travel. I think most of them (fundies) have no ability for empathy. They even got off on watching the passion snuff flick from last year. They also tend to be very selfish an insecure individuals, the shell is sometimes thin, it sometimes only takes a day or two to crack it if you get them away from their fundie support system.
 
2005-06-05 12:34:21 PM
any restriant or low birthrate practiced by homosexuals is more then compensated by our good friend in Utah

actually acceptance of the homosexual in society will in the long run make homosexuality less frequent since the gay person will not fake heterosexual relationships where they have a greater tendency to have children.
 
2005-06-05 12:35:59 PM
DinoVomit :

Here's ad hominem, you are a bigot and a jerk, you probably beat up homosexuals, and I bet you are a black hater too.

Bigot.

/Knows your only mostly bigotist.
 
2005-06-05 12:36:58 PM
My one late responce to this thread...

So, you believe that being gay is a "choice" huh?

Ok, so choose to be gay. Not forever mind you, just for a moment. For one moment, choose to be attracted to members of your gender. Choose to crave the touch of a member of your own gender, to want to slide your hands over their sensual areas and bring eachother to wet, sticky orgasms.

If you can do that, then you are either gay or bi. If you cannot, then you, like me, are straight. I cannot for one second "choose" to make the idea of man-man sexual activity appealing to me - I'm just not wired that way ie. I'm not genetically predisposed to being gay or bi. Now, if I see one or more women engagued in sexual activity with either gender, then things start waking up and saying "Hey, I wanna play too!"
 
2005-06-05 12:39:46 PM
deathbunny32:

Those societies that benefitted from this arrangement had better survivability and therefore the trait was transmitted to the next generation.

How was the gene transmitted, because the homosexual animal wasn't "procreating"?


Goddammit, the last paragraph was me, the rest was that other guy. How do you make it so you can distinguish shiat when quoting? I digress. I was watching lesbian porn, and it seems like all they do is jack off each other. Apparently, they don't "fark" each other, they just masterbate each other. I digress.
 
2005-06-05 12:39:51 PM
According to a new study from Arizona State University, the tendency to be prejudiced is a form of common sense, hard-wired into the human brain through evolution as an adaptive response to protect our prehistoric ancestors from danger.

So bigots can't help it, and therefore shouldn't be punished. So all hate crime and anti-discrimination laws should be declared Unconstitutional.


No, bigots are allowed to have their own opinion, and their right to voice their opinions is constitutionally protected. However, when somebody decides to kill/maim/destroy to make their point about how much they hate queers/blacks/whatever, they are harming others and therefore need to be punished under the law. If a man rapes another man or a woman rapes another woman, it would be ridiculous for them to hide behind "It's okay to be gay!" There's a difference between what comes natural to you and how you decide to act upon it.
 
2005-06-05 12:50:17 PM
whatshisname

It's not a value judgement, it's a biological fact. Although I'm sure there will be plenty of people who won't 'believe' in it.


One thing that life and my pursutes in epistemology (pops) has taught me, people will 'believe' ANYTHING. You know, like a space ship is coming and if we kill ourselves the aliens will take our souls with them and we will live happily ever after.

One time I heard a guy say "I don't believe in vitamines". It was at a natural foods place, go figure....
 
2005-06-05 12:58:50 PM
junge altman:

there is something called overdominance fittest of the heterozygote in other word the alleles AB paired together
is more fit then the A allele paired with itself as in AA
or B paired as BB, so in this case if BB caused homosexuality then it would persist even if there was no/less reproductivity since the AB types outreproduce the AA types


cosmiquemuffin:

One theory is that the gay animal has a tendency to protect siblings' offspring. Siblings share dormant forms of the gene, which get passed along.

Thanks. I am glad I took gen bio, I should have known that. ;)

Would perhaps a heterozygotic gene result in bi-sexuality?
 
2005-06-05 12:58:59 PM
I don't usually talk openly about this because, technically, I'm still semi-closeted, but I'm what you'd call a non-practicing bisexual. More specifically, I'm a lesbian-leaning bisexual feminine psyche in a testosterone-laden masculine frame, which, I might add, made me a mighty confused teenager and a severe homophobe until I was well into my twenties.

I can see where the self-loathing homosexuals and bisexuals are coming from. We're told by every aspect of our society that it's "wrong" to have these feelings, but have them we do, and even if we never act on them (I've never actually been with a member of my own gender, but I do like them) it instantly brands us as "freaks" when we're outed. It's even worse in the case of bisexuality. Bisexuals have to deal with the staunch "heterophobes" in the homosexual community- Those who insist that we bisexuals are "half in the closet" or living up to some societal demand to like the opposite gender. In truth, I've always been attracted to people, in general, and fought hard to resist the influences on both sides of the fence.

To the gay community I'm a pariah because I LOVE women; even if I tend to date lesbians or soon-to-be-lesbians more often than not. I absolutely crave the opportunity to perform cunnilingus, the thought of which makes most gay men retch and exclaim that the vagina is a disgusting thing, and that I must be some kind of freak to enjoy spending as much time as possible with my face buried in one. On the other hand, the heterosexuals have made their opinion of bisexuality quite clear. No matter which side I speak to, it seems I'm considered an anomaly.

I did the oh-so-hetero thing and got married to a woman, luckily with similar genetic predispositions, which leads to the curious twist that my wife is more than enough man for me.

But the whole "pixie haircut, small breast, masculine girl" thing is very familiar to me. I've had a lot of partners who were dyed-in-the-wool lesbians, but they saw enough feminine within me to overlook my physical traits, and we were quite happy together. Still, despite my monopoly on the testosterone in the relationships, I was usually the femme of the pair, and the lesbian girlfriend was the "boy".

Oddly, this doesn't mean I'm a complete poofball. I'm not like a gay man at all. I'm not all "It's rainin' men" and Judy Garland. I'm actually more like a lesbian with a penis, apparently. I listen to lesbian music, wear lesbian clothes, and enjoy lesbian social settings. I'm less butch than a butch lesbian, but more masculine than a femme. Androgyny, thy name is confusion! Among lesbian friends I find my actual gender to be a real detriment! I'm sort of a "second class citizen" within a community that I personally feel very strongly connected to. I inevitably go for the tomboys, grrlz, and closeted lesbians before even looking at a long-haired, buxom blonde Pamela Anderson type. I LIKE that type, too, but given a choice between Pam Anderson and some short-haired tomboy, I'll pick the tomboy every time.

I guess my point is that, while the homophobes are wrong, I understand their conundrum. It's terrifying- even right now- to be public about my sexuality. Those closest to me know about it, but I've been indoctrinated into this homophobic societal view that I'm still having trouble shaking all these years later. I still feel like I should feel guilty about my innermost desires, no matter how natural they really are, because everyone told me so and because even when I was in the closet, and a complete homophobe, other people still figured me to be gay and teased me for it. It was infuriating to be called gay when I knew I loved women!

But of course, it turns out that my tormentors were half-right after all. . .

I feel no immediate, burning need to rush out and gain the experience of being with a man, but on the other hand I act on complete instinct when I see a person I'm attracted to, and I express my opinions and desire without even thinking about it. I don't look at a person and DECIDE to find them attractive; I'm picky, weird, and quirky. I find only 1/2 of the pictures posted by BearToy to be sexy to me, but I'm not offended by any of them. I also greatly enjoy a boobies link that leads to a woman that doesn't look like a Barbie doll.

I've been asked- if I feel like a feminine person inside the shell I'm walking around in, why don't I get a sex change? The answer is that it would be counterproductive. Why get a sex change if I'm so attracted to women? I'd end up being a transgendered lesbian, and that would be useless to me. I hate the cliche of being a "lesbian in a man's body" because it gets eye-rolls and groans from the peanut gallery, but it's the absolute truth in my case. My enlightened lesbian partners have chosen to look at my penis as a "built in strap-on" and, that detail aside, they were able to comfortably accept me as being of their own gender because of the way I speak, act, and think. Why not get a sex change? Because I'm a cute guy, but I'd be a hideous woman. Because I enjoy having a penis. Because I wouldn't know what to do with a fake vagina if I possessed one. Because this is the hand of cards I was dealt, and I choose to play with it.

This fruit fly study will change a few minds, maybe, but ultimately the homophobic are that way because society is still breeding imbeciles who pass on their fear and loathing to their children. I'm of the mind that we're never going to be rid of the hateful, bigoted people in our culture unless we decided to begin culling all the racists, bigots, xenophobes, and religiously insane. I don't condone this, but I'm saying it would take wiping out two entire generations of these people to prevent new generations from being taught that kind of hatred for other people. Since that won't (and probably shouldn't) happen, we're stuck with society's hateful percentage. We just have to cope.

I'm such a girl, and it's such a farking burden, but I wouldn't have it any other way. It's who I am, despite my deceptive outward appearance. I'm also an intellectual, a fighter, a genius, and a talented, caring person. I've fought for civil rights my whole life, and I like to think that my strange gender identity is partially responsible for my sensitivity to such issues. If I believed in God, I'd say it was His way of balancing things; I couldn't be the caring, protective, strong person that I am if I weren't built this way.

But I don't believe in God; I believe in nature, and I don't think I'm any sort of mistake or mutant freak. I think there's a method to nature's apparent madness. I am this way because it serves the balance of nature. I serve a role in society that few others can fill, but it's a role that I firmly believe MUST be filled. If this is the burden I must bear, I'll bear it with pride.

If I weren't an androgynous, sexually ambiguous person, I would never have developed my fierce desire to see justice and balance in society. This weirdness- be it what it may- defines me in so many ways that I can't ignore that without it, I'd probably be a real selfish jerk- like some of the asshat trolls in this thread.

So pick on me. I don't care. I can take it. I'm a big girl.
 
2005-06-05 01:00:58 PM
deathbunny32:
How do you make it so you can distinguish shiat when quoting? I digress.

Try this.

Then highlight the text you want to quote, right click, and hit Farkit. It adds the persons name in bold and puts their text in italics.
 
2005-06-05 01:03:01 PM
ewww

does this mean i can get aids from flies?
 
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