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(MSNBC)   Former No. 2 man at FBI revealed as Deep Throat   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line 327
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2005-05-31 03:41:12 PM  
Webgrunt: was that supposed to be a pun?

There have been ten puns in this thread, all of which were supposed to make you laugh.

Apparently, no pun in ten did.
 
2005-05-31 03:43:34 PM  
allanhowls


There have been ten puns in this thread, all of which were supposed to make you laugh.

Apparently, no pun in ten did.


Bravo! Though I have seen that before, its use here was perfect. It almost made me laugh, and for a pun, that's phenomenal!
 
2005-05-31 03:45:25 PM  
Schools out...time to go..
 
2005-05-31 03:47:00 PM  
Well, when Woodward and Bernstein come clean, I'll believe it.

However, I'm leaning more towards Mr. Liddy's explanation - that there is no Deep Throat at all, and that the whole angle was made up to add the dramatic flair necessary for impact. On his website, Liddy mentions that the reason why they "were sworn not to reveal it until he died" was so that the person named couldn't deny it. "If the Pope died tomorrow, Woodward could say 'the Pope was Deep Throat', and that would be that".

The day after I read it, the Pope died...

Seriously. Though it's overblown and my loyalties are on the side of Nixon, I'm still curious to see this mystery put to rest, if only so Bob Woodward will shut the hell up, and we don't have to see any more interviews with him that go like:

Woodward: "Okay, okay, I'll tell you who Deep Throat was."
Us: "Oooh! Oooh! Who was Deep Throat??"
Woodward: "Wouldn't *you* like to know?"

MC^2
 
2005-05-31 03:50:16 PM  
Meh...so the guy was "Deep Throat". That and $3.85 will get you a Grande Latte at a popular coffee shop chain.

allanhowls: That was pretty funny.
 
2005-05-31 03:54:30 PM  
Damn, I was hoping it was Ron Mexico.
 
2005-05-31 04:00:35 PM  
what person is stuck in the 70s and still cares?

/is 35 and doesn't care
 
2005-05-31 04:00:59 PM  
allanhowls

*golf clap*
 
2005-05-31 04:03:17 PM  
I had always assumed it was Henry Kissinger. Seriously, what playground name are you going to give a guy who talks like that?

[image from cnn.com too old to be available]

Unavailable for so-baritone-Barry-White-is-impressed comment.
 
2005-05-31 04:04:31 PM  
what person is stuck in the 70s and still cares?

You're right, I should be far more intrigued by modern-day mysteries, like which of N equally meritless individuals will ultimately be deemet to deserve the right to be transformed into an instant celebrity.

Given how voter turnout for American Idol is rapidly approaching that of presidential elections, however, this should be no surprise.
 
2005-05-31 04:04:41 PM  
well i'll be farked....
 
2005-05-31 04:09:48 PM  
Vanity Fair: Did you go by the nickname "Deep Throat" in the 70s?
Diane Sawyer: I'll admit it, yes.
Vanity Fair: But how did you acquire so much insider's access to the Watergate scandal?
Diane Sawyer: What's "Watergate"?

/bah dum-bum *crash*
 
2005-05-31 04:12:19 PM  
jim90291- you have to understand, Jimmy. It's a grownup discussion and grownups are interested.
 
2005-05-31 04:13:50 PM  
It's like they say: "If you see it in Vanity Fair, it's so."
 
2005-05-31 04:15:51 PM  
In a statement released Tuesday, Mr. Woodward said he was aware of the Vanity Fair article but insisted that none of the three men party to Deep Throat's identity himself, Bernstein and former Post editor Ben Bradlee would comment on its accuracy.

We've gone down this road for 30 years. And for 30 years we have not said anything. That won't change today, Mr. Woodward said.


Source: Globe and Mail
 
2005-05-31 04:19:12 PM  
...or I could just read to the BOTTOM of TFA, instead of stopping at the "click for related stories."

/move along, nothing to see here
 
2005-05-31 04:19:16 PM  
However, I'm leaning more towards Mr. Liddy's explanation

If G Gordon Liddy told me that it was raining, I wouldn't believe him until I was outside and wet.

leopards. spots. you know how that goes.....
 
2005-05-31 04:19:32 PM  
Wait, you mean that old guy from the six flags commercials isn't deep throat?
[image from nypost.com too old to be available]
 
2005-05-31 04:23:44 PM  
jmr61

"When ever it occurred and who ever did it, our media, and therefore our knowledge of events, began spiraling downward when that first network decided it was news worth watching when they allowed one of their reporters to interview another of their reporters and passed it off as news. "

Yes! Oh thank god I'm not the only one! "Bob, what is going through the kidnapper's head right now." "Well Jim, he is obviously has three big concerns, primarily...." ARGH! I think reporters interviewing other reporters should be a criminal offense. Or at least a big red "bullshiat" should be displayed across the screen.

D
 
2005-05-31 04:25:04 PM  
The Washington Post is issuing a statement at 5pm. This might help clear things up.
 
2005-05-31 04:37:07 PM  
RosevilleDan

What's your source for that?
 
2005-05-31 04:39:06 PM  
If his family had any sense they would have approached Trump or Fox and turned the whole thing into a "reality" show .... The Rise of Dee .....oh, never mind.
 
2005-05-31 04:39:10 PM  
Bernstein stated he and Woodward would be keeping their pledge to reveal the source only once that person dies.

That's a non-denial denial!
 
2005-05-31 04:39:30 PM  
what's this guy's name again?
[image from img55.echo.cx too old to be available]
 
2005-05-31 04:42:53 PM  
If G Gordon Liddy told me that it was raining, I wouldn't believe him until I was outside and wet.

So I take it you don't buy his other theory that they weren't there for any political purpose, but they were fixing the phone tap that was installed as part of a bust on a prostitution ring,(which GGL insists John Dean was involved in.

There is one question I personally want answered. If Liddy's explanation is false, then why the heck WERE they in the DNC office? What did they stand to gain? The CRP had already activated Muskee's self-destruct sequence, and the coming slaughter of McGovern was inevitable. Was it just backlash from Ellsberg, or a preemptive strike to ensure it never happened again?
 
2005-05-31 04:43:02 PM  
So we are calling a guy a hero who leaked secret or almost classified information since it brought down a President who the Press did not care for...Hmmm interesting.

So then we can call Sandy Berger a hero for at best mishandling or distributing classified information or those who leak information from a Grand Jury.

And lets all of us be honest, Woodward and Bernstein are not holding the name of the Deep Throat back for the protection of the individual....it is their last big chip in their journalistic career which they both will cash in when their career is waining.

I freely admit that Nixon was not the most honest man, but can anyone deny the fact that LBJ was at least as crooked or is it ok for him because he was not caught?

Flame suit on....
 
2005-05-31 04:47:41 PM  
RosevilleDan:

The Washington Post is issuing a statement at 5pm. This might help clear things up.

Is this what you mean by "issuing a statement?"

From the Post:

Slate magazine columnist Tim Noah will be online Tuesday, May 31, at 5 p.m. ET to discuss Vanity Fair's claim that former FBI official W. Mark Felt is Deep Throat, the figure who leaked secrets about Nixon's Watergate coverup.
 
2005-05-31 04:50:41 PM  
CanyonMan: Wait, you mean that old guy from the six flags commercials isn't deep throat?


That's a man, baby!

 
2005-05-31 04:53:45 PM  
"Wait, you mean that old guy from the six flags commercials isn't deep throat?"

That guy friggin scares me.
 
2005-05-31 04:57:00 PM  
TheBigPapi

So let me get this straight. Linda Lovelace and Diane Sawyer are the same person and she is a 91 year-old man?

Whoa! Haven't felt so geh since killing kittens during the Crying Game!

/My only excuse is that I am a child of the seventies and like they say, "If you remember the 70's you weren't there!"
 
2005-05-31 04:58:10 PM  
GoodDamon: Orson Scott Card is a megalomaniacal blowhard with delusions of adequacy as an author.

Yeah, winning the top (Best SF Novel) awards from both the Hugo and the Nebula Awards twice in two consecutive years can do that to a guy. Nobody, and I mean nobody else, has ever accomplished that. Not Bradbury, not Bester, not Clarke, not Ellison, not Le Guin, not Niven, not Pournelle, not Zelazny, not even the mighty Asimov.

Whatever you may think of his politics and his religion, his "adequacy" as an author has been quite thoroughly established by people far more qualified than you or I, as a matter of record.
 
2005-05-31 05:03:46 PM  
COMALite J

Yeah, winning the top (Best SF Novel) awards from both the Hugo and the Nebula Awards. . .

So that ranks him just above Pauly Shore on the political science credibility charts and just below Dennis Rodman. I have got to start reading his columns!

/votes for HERO tag for Deep Throat.
 
2005-05-31 05:04:08 PM  
Funklordtoejam

Thank you for the correction, the universe is back in alignment.. nothing worse than people who screw up their Holy Grail references!
 
2005-05-31 05:05:22 PM  
Bucephalus: Orson Scott Card thinks this guy shoulda kept his goddamn mouth shut.

Cite?
 
2005-05-31 05:07:31 PM  
I freely admit that Nixon was not the most honest man, but can anyone deny the fact that LBJ was at least as crooked or is it ok for him because he was not caught?

At the end of the day, compared to so many other Presidents who have done worse and accomplished less, I firmly believe that Nixon's biggest crime was that he got caught. He was a master at foreign policy, his domestic achievements are drastically underrated, and VERY unappreciated for his involvement in civil rights.

MC^2
 
2005-05-31 05:09:11 PM  
This_Guy:

Brian Peppers
 
2005-05-31 05:13:14 PM  
pistauf_farker:

Yeah, winning the top (Best SF Novel) awards from both the Hugo and the Nebula Awards. . .

So that ranks him just above Pauly Shore on the political science credibility charts and just below Dennis Rodman. I have got to start reading his columns!


I said nothing about his columns, nor his political science credibility. I was referring specifically and solely to GoodDamon's "delusions of adequacy as an author" comment, and nothing else.

Whatever else he is, his adequacy as an author is no delusion, unless you think that the majority of the Hugo and Nebula voting boards of those two consecutive years suffered from the same delusion.

For the record, I disagree with many of his political beliefs (including his stance on homosexual marriage rights, and indeed wonder how the author of Songmaster [which had a very positive portrayal of a homosexual character in a major role] could have written the column that he did on that subject). I still accept him as a far greater fiction writer (especially in the SF field) than anyone on FARK is ever likely to be.
 
2005-05-31 05:16:52 PM  
"We impeached Clinton as payback for Nixon" -Henry Hyde
 
2005-05-31 05:21:22 PM  
Having one talent (fiction writing) does not make you an authority on every subject known to man. For instance, Mr. Card has every right to be called an excellent author, but that will not make me respect his opinion that the Left, who incidentally doesn't control any of the three branches of government, is the reason that we're failing as a nation.

Supporting censorship is not surprising coming from an author who makes the point of "the end justifies the means" in nearly all of his books.

That said, Mr. Felt is a national hero, despite what the revisionist arm-chair historians here think. At a time when the Executive felt he had enough power to cover-up political malfeasance Mr. Felt took it upon himself to blow the whistle, full well knowing that if his identify was discovered he would have had to face grim consequences.

Regardless if you feel Nixon wasn't the biggest crook in the White House the fact that he was one is undisputable.
 
2005-05-31 05:24:49 PM  
Woodward confirms that Felts is Deep Throat!

Source:
Washingtonpost
 
2005-05-31 05:26:28 PM  
Washington Post Confirms Felt as 'Deep Throat'
 
2005-05-31 05:26:36 PM  
SacMan

weird taste in that cheesburger I ate yesterday?

I put some of my special sauce in that one.
 
2005-05-31 05:38:08 PM  
I had no idea he was involved in Watergate. I thought he'd be too busy hosting The Price is Right...

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2005-05-31 05:42:42 PM  
Woodward confirmed it.
 
2005-05-31 05:43:34 PM  
Now I believe....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/article/deepthroat31.html

/Sorry no html goodness on link
 
2005-05-31 05:55:43 PM  
I want to go check out Fox or NewsMax.com to see if they're calling for the head of the traitor pig pinko scum.
 
2005-05-31 06:06:44 PM  
NathanAllen: Having one talent (fiction writing) does not make you an authority on every subject known to man. For instance, Mr. Card has every right to be called an excellent author, but that will not make me respect his opinion that the Left, who incidentally doesn't control any of the three branches of government, is the reason that we're failing as a nation.

Again, I was not commenting on his columns, but merely rebutting GoodDamon's "delusions of adequacy as an author" remark.

For the record, I agree with you. I no more give Card any additional credence as a political pundit than I would go to an automobile mechanic, no matter how talented and award-winning he may be in that field, if I needed open-heart surgery. I also refuse to be swayed by celebrity endorsements of any product or service, unless in a field directly related to said celebrity's area of expertise. If an actor wants to sell me life insurance, I give his or her opinion no more weight than I would that of my next-door neighbor. If the same actor wants to sell me on an acting course (and assuming that I were interested in such a thing to begin with), I would sit up and take notice.

But when I want an enjoyable escapist read, Card (among many others) fits the bill nicely. I also give credence to some of his non-fiction that's directly related to his proven skills, such as his books on how to write good fiction.

Now, for the same reason, my opinion matters no more than his in such fields where neither of us are experts. But my opinion of why we're failing as a nation is that both of the two major parties are largely to blame, for policies established decades ago. But Bush has greatly accelerated our already-inevitable fall.

The underlying cause is the fatal flaw in our species: the tendency to, when given a choice between two otherwise equal options, if one has a short-term benefit and long-term sacrifice, and the other has a long-term benefit but requires a short-term sacrifice, to go for the short-term benefit. The majority of human misery can be traced to this, and it will result in the collapse of civilization. All else (peak oil, oppressive regimes, environmental devastation, corporate corruption, etc.) are mere symptoms of this.

That flaw, though, was naturally selected as a survival advantage, and it was one before we invented civilization. If you didn't escape the tiger right now, it didn't matter what your long-term plans were.

And no, I don't think that Deep Throat should have kept his mouth shut, regardless of whether Orson Scott Card ever said that he should've.
 
2005-05-31 06:10:52 PM  
When I first saw this headline, I thought it meant that he was the guy in the movie getting the BJ from Linda Lovelace.

/what happens when you don't RTFA
 
2005-05-31 06:13:27 PM  
real deep throat
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pretend deep throat
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2005-05-31 06:17:22 PM  
Emcee_Squared
He [Nixon] was a master at foreign policy, his domestic achievements are drastically underrated, and VERY unappreciated for his involvement in civil rights.
All these accomplishments and talents are foreign to today's Republican party. Why if W were to even hint a price and wage controls, Dick Cheney would remove his belt and beat the President like a rented mule. And instead of the smooth diplomacy that opened the Soviet Union and Red China to the West, this crew wants to send some barefoot Jethro Bodine bumpkin to the UN to yell at the fur'ners on our behalf-- hell, even Khruschev wore shoes.
 
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