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(BBC)   Scientists determine how brain interprets sarcasm, plan to export technology to Germany and other sarcastically-impoverished nations   (news.bbc.co.uk) divider line 128
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2005-05-23 02:28:29 PM


GIS Sarcasm, result #1
 
2005-05-23 02:28:51 PM
The only German person I know is very sarcastic.

/No really, She is. I'm not being sarcastic.
//I really care if you believe me
///that one was sarcastic
////Soooo Sarrrrrrcaaaaastic!
 
2005-05-23 02:29:12 PM
Diogenes:
btheball: That helps explain why Germans have a word for everything. Precision.

Yeah, but they kind of cheat on that one. Any new word is merely a sentence with the spaces removed.
 
2005-05-23 02:29:42 PM


Could the Germens BE any more sarcastically inclined?
 
2005-05-23 02:30:52 PM
Svperstar
Its pretty twisted if you have ever known a group of people like that, completely avoiding any contact with authentic emotion by not taking anything seriously.

Well farking said. And all too common.
 
2005-05-23 02:30:52 PM
Oh great! An entire thread dedicated to sarcasm. Well, that's just wonderful.

And what makes it even more delightful is the lovely trolls injecting wit and intelligence into the debate with their not-at-all-misplaced political observations. I simply love random jingoism in the evening.

Yeah, great thread!
 
2005-05-23 02:35:09 PM
Clavis

Wen ist das nurnstuck git un slotermeyer?
Yah, das beigerhund de flipperwult gesput!


uhm, i am german and i dont understand a word of that 'joke'

/understands sarcasm
//even in english
///prejudices about my people allways amuse me
 
2005-05-23 02:35:44 PM
As Mark Twain wrote:

"A thirty two syllable German word was successfully removed from a patient today."
 
2005-05-23 02:36:26 PM
Diogenes, the germans don't have a word for "Gentleman." This was intriguing to the american army staff who were interviewing nazis during de-nazification. The closest thing they have is "herr" but that is more a way to address someone as "sir."

The germans are not sarcastic like we are. Interesting comparison: we don't have a word for "Schaedenfreude".
 
2005-05-23 02:38:37 PM
(sarcasm off)
Thanks Taunches!
Why is that attractive young woman wrapped in red ribbon?
(sarcasm on)
 
2005-05-23 02:39:34 PM
Nibbler: uhm, i am german and i dont understand a word of that 'joke'


It's a Monty Python reference to a skit about the World's Deadliest Joke (hearing it would make the listener die from laughter). The Brits got ahold of it, and translated it into German to use during WW2 against the Germans.
 
2005-05-23 02:40:12 PM
Nibbler

Clavis

Wen ist das nurnstuck git un slotermeyer?
Yah, das beigerhund de flipperwult gesput!

uhm, i am german and i dont understand a word of that 'joke'

That's because he wrote it wrong.
It's: "Wenn ist das Nunstck git und Slotermeyer? Ja! ... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput."

Hope that cleared it up for ya.
 
2005-05-23 02:41:31 PM
Damn, Jedi_Templar, you ruined my joke on Nibbler.
 
Yst
2005-05-23 02:42:09 PM
i-likes-maple-syrup:

The germans are not sarcastic like we are. Interesting comparison: we don't have a word for "Schaedenfreude".


Yes we do. It's schadenfreude. That's the English word for schadenfreude, to be found in any good English dictionary. That it comes from German is historical fact, but doesn't exempt it from belonging to the language any more than it exempts "historical," "fact," "exempt" and "language" from being English words on the basis of their non-Anglo-Saxon origin.
 
2005-05-23 02:42:55 PM
As if....
 
2005-05-23 02:45:47 PM
Vercotti Doug...I was terrified of him. Everyone was terrified of Doug. I've seen grown men pull their own heads off rather than see Doug. Even Dinsdale was frightened of Doug.
InterviewerWhat did he do?
Vercotti He used sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor, bathos, puns, parody, litotes and...satire.
 
2005-05-23 02:46:08 PM
Taunches

Oh. She's dressed as a cartoon character I've never heard of.
Never mind.

http://sarcasm.fanfic.org/lipumiracosplay.html
 
2005-05-23 02:49:52 PM
"Take my Wife, I command you!"


-Deutschumor...
 
2005-05-23 02:50:23 PM
In Germany, they are a very low context society from a communication perspective, meaning they expect very literal and direct communication.


In my admittedly limited experience, the Dutch don't do too well with sarcasm (well, humor in general, for that matter).

I also have found a number of Vietnamese to be VERY sarcastic (in a friendly way). Again, limited experience.

I know, both of these are silly stereotypes (not offensive, I hope), but I would agree that there are cultural influences. I would have to guess that it's based on the way the language is structured... look at the way double negatives can affect meaning, for example.
 
2005-05-23 02:51:43 PM
Needs to be exported to Fark.com as well.

Still, it'd be funny to see what the world would be like if everyone was taking a drug that overstimulated the "sarcasm" center of the brain.
 
2005-05-23 02:54:17 PM
OK:

Understanding American Sarcasm 101

The closer you get to texas and the southeast, the more you will not see the slightest bit of sarcasm. This is not to say that this part of the country is full of complete morons, it's just they generally get confused by sarcasm & other subtle forms of humor.

The farther north away from this black hole you get, the more people understand it. Especially the far northern states. I'm from Alaska - Brits have the same humor as us Alaskans, Canadians, & other northerners... texans get confused when you try to crack these types of jokes.
 
2005-05-23 02:57:02 PM
-The only place sarcasm shouldn't be used is in workplaces where high-speed machinery and/or molten metals are located...
 
2005-05-23 02:58:16 PM
As a German friend said to me once, "Everyone knows the Germans have no sense of humor."

That is German sarcasm. Driest sense of humor in the world.
 
2005-05-23 02:58:49 PM
(and after googling 'high context society' and reading a bit, I have a better understanding of btheball's post. Makes sense.)
 
2005-05-23 02:59:52 PM


"Oh! A sarcasm detector! That's real useful!"
 
2005-05-23 03:03:21 PM
Someone implant this knowledge into Sean Penn, FAST!

"To answer Chris Rock's question, Jude Law is one of our finest actors... and I'm a humorless self-important dweeb who's still more famous for slapping around Madonnna than anything else"
 
2005-05-23 03:04:47 PM
i-likes-maple-syrup
Interesting comparison: we don't have a word for "Schaedenfreude".

Is that like how the French don't have a word for "entreprenuer"?

/Bashing the French adds a certain je ne sais quois to the discussion.
 
2005-05-23 03:06:50 PM
The Germans take their language very seriously. Not like the French, who defend it as a point of pride, but as an important tool in their society. To become a German citizen you have to pass a pretty stringent language test.
 
2005-05-23 03:08:26 PM


yeah, like I'm going to fight you...
 
2005-05-23 03:09:46 PM
my sarcasm detecting brain asspload!
 
2005-05-23 03:11:54 PM


Kent: I hear you are making a new movie, care to tell us about it?

Ranier Wolfcastle: 'Help, my son is a nerd!' 'My son returns home from college; I am horrified to find that he is a nerd!'

Kent Brockman: 'Sounds hilarious!'

Ranier Wolfcastle: 'It is not a comedy!'
 
2005-05-23 03:12:40 PM
 
2005-05-23 03:13:26 PM
I know a very funny and sarcastic German. He rates very high on my sarcasm-o-meter.

So there.
 
2005-05-23 03:14:13 PM
Jedi_Templar
thx, oblivious me.. have seen this skit years ago.

Dansker
must be still wrong.. it didnt kill me.
 
2005-05-23 03:16:12 PM
I plead for fair play for the Germans. Don't forget that they killed or drove-out their best practitioners in the not-so-recent unpleasantness.
 
2005-05-23 03:20:12 PM
RedAssedMonkey-

Nice Sarcastro quote
 
2005-05-23 03:23:06 PM
Headline should be "sarcasm-impaired"

Great job, submitter! No really, top-notch!
 
2005-05-23 03:23:07 PM
btw: im proud of all of you farkers. no david hasselhoff pic so far. go ahead, i know you can do it.. one complete germany-related thread without a single pic of that ugly asshat.

that would be soo nice.
 
2005-05-23 03:26:37 PM
Joe, don't work to hard.

Comma, duuuur, comma!

Gah, dumbasses.
 
2005-05-23 03:27:06 PM
You're telling me that the nation who posted a sign saying Arbeit macht Frei - Work makes you Free outside a death camp doesn't understand sarcasm?


WOW! What a brilliant analysis.
 
2005-05-23 03:27:30 PM
Right VLPFC is also involved in conflict assessment, emotional valence, cognitive control, blah de blah de blah:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abst ract&list_uids=15582382&query_hl=7

It's one of those classic "dumping grounds" of association cortex in the brain that people can yoke just about any type of phrenological assessment with the right contrasts in functional MRI. To say that VMPFC associates "sarcasm" is like saying the eye associates fark.com

/not to understate the importance of fark.com in visual perception. really.
 
2005-05-23 03:27:39 PM
Man, I am so glad that I got through a whole thread without someone even mentioning David Hasselhoff. At least no one is going to post his picture now!
 
2005-05-23 03:28:03 PM
yotta
I plead for fair play for the Germans. Don't forget that they killed or drove-out their best practitioners in the not-so-recent unpleasantness.

I'm impressed by your knowledge of history. Not too many people remember the Trail of Rubber Shoes - a sad day in '83 when clowns were driven out of Germany in tiny cars.
 
2005-05-23 03:28:31 PM
whoops--meant to say VMPFC in the first line
 
2005-05-23 03:33:01 PM


Imageshack
 
2005-05-23 03:33:20 PM
Wow! This is the greastest thread I've ever read! Every poster obviously thought out his ideas, and then cogently & eloquently put those ideas into words, so that all of us can share some of his insight!

Kudos to you all, cookies all around. Just wonderful. I'm touched by this evidence of man's intelligence.

Y'all are all really great. Just great.
 
2005-05-23 03:35:50 PM
Obama Bin Bin

The closer you get to texas and the southeast, the more you will not see the slightest bit of sarcasm. This is not to say that this part of the country is full of complete morons, it's just they generally get confused by sarcasm & other subtle forms of humor.

As a Texan, I really appreciate your sweeping generalizations. No, really! Your thoughtful ways and genteel manner have really impressed me.

/Would agree if you'd specified west Texas
//Has no problem making sweeping generalizations about scary rural areas
 
2005-05-23 03:49:20 PM
MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Trail of Rubber Shoes

Good one.
 
2005-05-23 03:52:07 PM
Draconigena,

You're very welcome! I'm glad you appreciate my insight! I won't even make silly jabs about Texas being the third largest state if you divide Alaska in half!
 
2005-05-23 03:52:24 PM
This thread could use more sarcasm.
 
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