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2005-05-18 08:13:45 PM  


"The angle of the dangle is inversely proportional to the
heat of the beat."
 
2005-05-18 08:15:16 PM  
You_mean_Im_gonna_stay_this_color: "The angle of the dangle is inversely proportional to the heat of the beat."

You beat me to it! I hate you right now! :)
 
2005-05-18 08:19:13 PM  
Huh huh, huh huh,, ,yeah
 
2005-05-18 08:19:36 PM  
Um...don't get arrested?
 
2005-05-18 08:23:51 PM  
Even teenage dilenquents deserve clean, unused underwear, or at least access to their own undegarments.

Hell it doesn't have to be the heavenly bliss that Jockey MicroFiber Bikinis are, just get these girls whatever comes in bulk at Sam's club.

Wearing someone else's panties is just not right.
 
2005-05-18 09:07:07 PM  
Can you imagine how much they'd get for those on ebay?
 
2005-05-18 09:07:49 PM  
i hope it's directly proportional to the heat of the beat.
 
2005-05-18 09:08:42 PM  
I should read more often. Might save me from embarrasing "too late" situations.
 
2005-05-18 09:09:56 PM  
A great opportunity to lower the trade defecit .
Calling all Japanese Businessmen !!
 
2005-05-18 09:11:04 PM  
what's wrong with wearing used women's panties every once in a while? :x
 
2005-05-18 09:16:40 PM  
Does a rich Japanese guy run this place???
 
2005-05-18 09:17:32 PM  
I'm sorry but you need a lawyer to ask for panties. Had you not thrown your old panties away...
 
2005-05-18 09:18:39 PM  
well Dope-slap, you biatchslapped me to it..
 
2005-05-18 09:18:46 PM  
you can get panties for like $.88 at walmart. You would think they would be able to allow these girls clean underwear.

Ech. That's nasty.
 
2005-05-18 09:18:58 PM  
jeez...ya know the japanese would pay good money to get these panties!

ungrateful, spoiled girls.

/joke
 
2005-05-18 09:20:37 PM  
MOTION SUSTAINED. I will be "writing up the brief" shortly.
 
2005-05-18 09:22:32 PM  
worthless w/o pic of said detainees
 
2005-05-18 09:24:34 PM  
bersl2 - I hope that motion isn't what I think it is...

/always check for skids
 
2005-05-18 09:25:24 PM  
I don't know what the fuss is about. We all know:
 
2005-05-18 09:29:49 PM  
all i can say about this is.....




 
2005-05-18 09:32:50 PM  
 
2005-05-18 09:36:47 PM  
Hey I used to work at juvie. Those kids are damn nasty. Besides we were REQUIRED to give them 'treat time' twice a week where they got candy and pop. I am sorry but when your in for murder, rape of an infant or some other sick shiat then I don't believe you have the right ro candy, pop or your own special underware. I believe we have bigger things to worry about than some kid in Juvie's right to have fresh underware (and who is going to pay for them? not me)
 
2005-05-18 09:36:54 PM  
frivolous brief? oh my god!
 
2005-05-18 09:40:53 PM  
I've been in law for a number of years, but have never seen a Motion for Panties before....
 
2005-05-18 09:41:01 PM  
bfd8656:

I believe we have bigger things to worry about than some kid in Juvie's right to have fresh underware (and who is going to pay for them? not me)

C'mon dude... fresh underwear. I had less in Marine Corps boot camp, but I still think these goods should at least get clean undies.
 
2005-05-18 09:42:38 PM  
EvilToni: the heavenly bliss that Jockey MicroFiber Bikinis

I know, I feel so free.
 
2005-05-18 09:51:41 PM  
You_mean_Im_gonna_stay_this_color:

heat of the beat ?????,........wrong,..heat of the meat !

As for the panties, turn them inside out, wear them another week and then toss them. Better yet, flush them. When everyone is out of panties, the jail will have to come up with some new ones. Wal-Mart, 88cents each. Most "hot" women don't bother to wear panties anyway.
 
2005-05-18 09:54:57 PM  
Hooray for my hometown. Chattanooga is just as weird.
 
2005-05-18 10:11:00 PM  
So ordinarily, I'd say I have no farking sympathy for these people- oh nose prison isn't a farking picnic.

However, that they're also doing this to pre-trial detainees puts it in another light entirely.
 
2005-05-18 10:14:39 PM  
step 3: profit
 
2005-05-18 10:19:00 PM  
Uhh...whenever I've been to jail we got used boxers. They wash them in chemicals that could turn a black man white, so I vote for "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime."
 
2005-05-18 10:48:30 PM  
Probably cleaner than their own anyway.
 
2005-05-18 10:48:55 PM  
In the below "motion for panties," which was filed this month in Knox County Juvenile Court, one of the girls contends that the Richard L. Bean Juvenile Service Center's "used-panty policy is nasty, debasing, extremely hot, and humiliating."

Fixed.
 
2005-05-18 11:00:34 PM  
Damnit.. when is B&B gonna be on DVD?!? This was part of my childhood. I have 3 vhs tapes (very worn out) of B&B marathons, but cripes man! We need dvds to entertain us!!!

Uh huh huh "I said 'anus' heheh 'entert--anus' hehehe"
 
2005-05-18 11:09:15 PM  
Seeing that the state's own regulations permit them to have their own personal stuff, they may have a valid argument. Hell, they're not expecting the state to provide them.
 
2005-05-18 11:14:43 PM  
In Tennessee?! Never!

Oh, wait.
 
2005-05-18 11:30:15 PM  
I'm thinking what the heck. Wouldn't it be nicer to have these girls pantyless.. oh yeah, send pics... nuff said
 
2005-05-18 11:39:49 PM  
If the skids are s**t
You must aquit
 
2005-05-18 11:59:18 PM  
It's Jail..
It's supposed to be "Nasty, Debasing, Humiliating"...

STFU and get back in your cell..

/See you after lights out..
 
2005-05-19 01:07:40 AM  
What's with all the sociopaths today posting who think it's okay that juvenile detainees are forced to wear each others stained underwear, justifying it with things like "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime". You ought to be ashamed. I hope some of you are kidding.

They are already being punished by being detained. This is just plain disgusting.
 
2005-05-19 01:21:20 AM  
they have a right to clean not to new.

I have a feeling they are getting clean underwear, my sense is that the whiny biatches probably stain themselves.

I have seen people poop themselves just to spite the system ...I never "got" the logic of that..but then again prison gives you lots of time to think up crap like that.

your not a sociopath for thinking prison should be tough, they are given clean underpants but they dont exactly have a coin op laundry mat - how do you sort 3000 inmates panties?

its clean, wear them and STFU
 
2005-05-19 01:28:00 AM  
Simply put, it's compromising their health. Surely, you don't want to have to pay for their resulting treatment should an inmate contract a condition or disease. Think of it as prevention of overspending of your tax dollars, if you can't seem to grasp the notion that these young women are still human beings. I would venture to guess that a lot of teenage females are in detention for comitting crimes that a psychiatrist could link to low self-esteem and low self-respect. The inmates have no reason to act like respectful, decent human beings if they're not afforded the basic right of dignity. I'm certainly not saying they're all angels; I'm well aware that some of them are downright scary and violent, but at their age there is still a chance for a some of them to turn their lives around. I'm basing my speculation on how I was as an angry teen who thankfully had the sense of mind to not head down that path. I just remember how I reacted to being treated badly at that age, and this will only reinforce their belief that it's them against the world, and will act accordingly in a manner consistent with what got them in juvenile detention in the first place.
 
2005-05-19 01:34:25 AM  
Hold on there cowboy

"Simply put, it's compromising their health. Surely..."

their health? why because the CRIMINAL inmate girls clain the panties are unsafe suddenly its a health issue? I am sure you have a long history working prison laundry to make that claim?

Honestly - do you wear a freash from the package new pair of underwear every day? probably not ...I bet like most people you do laundry - guess what so do jails, and they dont just use leamony freash Tide - They use industrial medical grade commercial detergents - ones that would kill whole rain forests I am sure ...there are no germs bugs diseases or infections on the undergarments.

They are in jail - STFU!
 
2005-05-19 01:39:51 AM  

I have never used the term 'nasty' in any pleading.


I may start.



If the mom wants to pay for the kids ropa interior then thats fine with me. Saves the state a few bucks. Really, wearing used undergarments is unusual ... I'm not sure it is cruel, but I'll stipulate to nasty.

 
2005-05-19 01:50:27 AM  
I should have known that the instant I made a comment like that someone would infer that I meant prison shouldn't be tough. There is a difference between tough and humiliating/degrading/disgusting/unhealthy.

they have a right to clean not to new.

Where are you getting this from? You can probably find some of their rights in the second page of that letter. They (arguably) have a right to personal clothing, particularly undergarments.

I have a feeling they are getting clean underwear, my sense is that the whiny biatches probably stain themselves.

So this gut feeling should dictate policy? And I'm not following the logic:

1. "Biatches probably stain themselves"
2. ....
3. Force detainees to wear each others stained underwear.

Help me here with step two.

I have seen people poop themselves just to spite the system ...I never "got" the logic of that..but then again prison gives you lots of time to think up crap like that.

So let them keep their own stained underwear if they go do something stupid like that. Why should someone else have to wear it if you're going to deliberately crap yourself?

your not a sociopath for thinking prison should be tough,

(NB: "You're") Of course not, but that isn't what I said. You are a sociopath if you feel that it is justified to humiliate and degrade a detainee in a disgusting way just by virtue that prison should be "tough". Basic human decency should help define what is reasonable. Hard boring work and being locked in a cell is reasonable. Shared stained underwear and prison rape is not. It's not that tricky, really.

they are given clean underpants but they dont exactly have a coin op laundry mat - how do you sort 3000 inmates panties?

I'm sure I could suggest a dozen different ways. Find a better way! The detainees could sort them, not like they have a lot they need to do with their day.
 
2005-05-19 01:57:38 AM  
"3. Force detainees to wear each others stained underwear."

They are cleaned, bleached, sanitized and pressed.

Is that not good enough for prisoners...how is that inhumane?
 
2005-05-19 02:18:07 AM  
They are cleaned, bleached, sanitized and pressed.

Yeah, I'm sure they're wonderful. *sarcasm* You'll notice the claim includes that they are stained. Your statement doesn't change anything I have stated.

Is that not good enough for prisoners...how is that inhumane?

No, apparently it isn't good enough for prisoners. Some prisoners seem to have a problem with it, so do some Farkers, the kids mom, and a lawyer. Personally, I hope the judge feels the same way.

And I won't debate "inhumane". I claimed "disgusting".

Out of curiosity, why are you defending this ridiculous policy? What's your interest in this whole thing? I don't understand why someone would want to further debase a detainee in this way.
 
2005-05-19 02:28:32 AM  
well if a girl murders your child I am sure you will be comforted by the fact that the murderer, her mommy and her laywer "have a problem with it" if they are made to wear perfectly clean and safe undergarments.

maybe you havent considered that the correctional facility, doctors and victims of their crimes think their complaints are frivolous.

You dont have to handle rapists, killers, drug dealers and evil doers by giving them everything they want. They have basic level of care that they are entitled - its not unsafe or debasing to launder clothes and insist they wear them.

I personally witnesed 2 riots at our local prison where I have worked since January - once they were incensed because they were forced to eat steak twice in the same week.

The other was because the cable went out.

You know I bet the prisoners, their mommies and their lawyers all would have had problems with that too - and I am sure there is an uninformed farker out there who would eat up their lies and misinformation and agree with them.
 
2005-05-19 02:57:42 AM  
well if a girl murders your child I am sure you will be comforted by the fact that the murderer, her mommy and her laywer "have a problem with it" if they are made to wear perfectly clean and safe undergarments.

Strawman, and entirely predictable. Not everyone in juve is a childkiller.

maybe you havent considered that the correctional facility, doctors and victims of their crimes think their complaints are frivolous.

Maybe I have.

You dont have to handle rapists, killers, drug dealers and evil doers by giving them everything they want. They have basic level of care that they are entitled - its not unsafe or debasing to launder clothes and insist they wear them.

Of course you don't, I don't suggest that, and you know it.

You seem to be avoiding the issue entirely by focusing on cleaning and avoiding any mention of stains or undergarments. I am guessing you realise where your own argument is flawed. Either way, I don't plan to repeat myself.

So we would agree they are entitled to a basic level of care? I would argue that a basic level of care would include not having to wear each others stained underwear.

I personally witnesed 2 riots at our local prison where I have worked since January - once they were incensed because they were forced to eat steak twice in the same week.

The other was because the cable went out.


As a prison worker you have my sympathy. There is hardly a more thankless job. Make sure you quit as soon as you get a better opportunity.

Rioting over cable and meals like that is frivilous. Assuming what you say is true, I will side with you here, as would most people. I hope the cable went dark for the next fortnight or longer. Cable is a luxury. The same meal twice in a week (and steak of all things) is not a legitimate cause to hold a damn riot.

I guarantee I would be arguing with you rather than against you if the news story was about that.

You know I bet the prisoners, their mommies and their lawyers all would have had problems with that too - and I am sure there is an uninformed farker out there who would eat up their lies and misinformation and agree with them.

No doubt there is someone who would. And their claims would indeed be frivilous. I can imagine it getting laughed out of court too. I'm wondering what that has to do with the story at hand though, the story wasn't about cable TV riots.

Anyway, I'm done for now. You have a nasty habit of picking out parts of what I am saying and taking them out of context. You've suggested policy be dictated by your own emotions in hypothetical cases, generalised on marginal situations, avoided discussing points where your argument is weak, misrepresented the argument, and resorted to debating strawmen and emotional arguments. No doubt your worldview helps get you through the day in what must be a horrible, horrible job (and my sympathy is 100% genuine here), but it doesn't lend credibility to your arguments. I have also just realised that I am arguing about female detainee's underwear on the internet with a complete stranger, which puts me in a very sad class of individuals indeed. ;) So I bid you good day, and encourage you to think through the issue a little more should you have the chance.
 
2005-05-19 06:19:38 AM  
Wanted for questioning:
 
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