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(Some Guy)   Death-row inmate, 12 days from execution, wants to donate his liver to his dying sister   (fortwayne.com) divider line 139
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2005-05-14 09:32:20 PM
Hope they let him do it.
 
2005-05-14 09:35:07 PM
Uh...like, duh. Let the dude do it.
 
2005-05-14 09:38:51 PM
Nah, lethal injection poisons the organs. It'll be useless.
 
2005-05-14 09:39:49 PM
this was on the local news. They don't know if he's even a possible donor, and some people suspect it's a ploy to buy him some time.
 
kcm
2005-05-14 09:44:24 PM
do they do mustache transplants anymore? if they did, I would so totally put myself on the list for his.
 
2005-05-14 10:01:42 PM
So, why do they use a form of execution that makes it impossible to reclaim even a little bit of good from a wasted life? If it were up to me, I would require mandatory organ donation from state executions.
 
2005-05-14 10:11:46 PM
Ok so if they do the transplant....they have to let him get better before they kill him. Man am I glad ppl are smart like that.
 
2005-05-14 10:16:46 PM
Calvin Hobbes: Nah, lethal injection poisons the organs. It'll be useless.

Are you sure about that? I don't know much about the subject, but looking at this link on lethal injection, I'm not sure any of those would render the organs useless (other than the brain and possibly heart)?
 
2005-05-14 10:26:57 PM
I don't understand. This is great! He says his last goodbyes, you sedate him, intubate him, and then take out his liver. Lo and behold, he dies.

Sister wins, gets liver.
State wins, pt. gets his death sentence.
Inmate kinda wins, because his sister gets the transplant, but he's still pretty dead.

What's the complication here?
 
2005-05-14 10:44:51 PM
What's the complication here?


The problem is the state wants him kept alive to be killed. (Don't know about what the doctors would think of killing him.)

//logic and the death penalty do not go hand in hand
 
2005-05-14 11:26:02 PM
Kraus said if tests show he is a suitable match, the transplant would take only part of Johnsons liver. Enough would remain to keep him alive until the state could carry out the death sentence, possibly as soon as a few weeks after the transplant surgery.

Gee, I hope he doesn't die before his death sentence. WTF? Just take the whole damn thing and be done with it - the transplant, the execution, everything. I hate red tape.
 
2005-05-14 11:27:42 PM


Problem solved.
 
2005-05-14 11:32:52 PM
I am getting a total bullshiat vibe from this. But assuming he's sincere, I am with Infarct.
 
2005-05-14 11:38:07 PM
Hmmm...a liver donation and an execution? Can save time and $$ by doing one to accomplish the other.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-05-15 12:06:51 AM
This is a remarkable situation because essentially all of the last-minute pleas for delay of execution are blatant delay tactics where the lawyer raises an issue that could have been or was already considered years earlier. In this case there may really be new evidence.

But the state should kill him on schedule anyway.
 
2005-05-15 12:38:58 AM
They can still kill him on schedule. There are people all the time that get into a bad accident, and have their pancreas removed for example, less than 2 hours after the accident. She's has a few days to get to the hospital.

The only thing I see holding it up are the schedules of the political grandstanders on both sides of the issue.

Announce it now, and there will still be time for the people who gather outside the prison to buy their candles and brush up on the lyics to Kumbaya.
 
2005-05-15 12:45:06 AM
TommyymmoT

Announce it now, and there will still be time for the people who gather outside the prison to buy their candles and brush up on the lyics to Kumbaya.


Now that is pretty damned funny! Very visual.
 
2005-05-15 01:55:06 AM
He's trying to get out one organ at a time.
 
2005-05-15 02:32:36 AM
People, think. They can't transplant organs from murderers into normal people. Have we learned nothing from The Outer Limits?
 
2005-05-15 02:41:03 AM
I've always like the idea of donating yourself as a "live organ bank".

Think of the number of lives you could affect / help / save. Rather than the usual rush-rush-rush, there'd be plenty of time to make best matches, prep everyone, etc...

Everybody wins - except for "you". And "You" should have the right to trade your life for all the others if you want to.

/Rant
 
2005-05-15 03:07:17 AM
kcm: do they do mustache transplants anymore?

Which reminds me... why hasn't there been a cock transplant? John Bobbit had his cut off and re-attached and, from the video I saw, it works just great. If a dude has an enormous thanger, its a shame to let it go to waste when there's plenty of guys who could use it. Side note: would their hand reject it?

Oh and on organ donation.. Since the fundies that run this country are all for killing fully formed humans but their head asplodes when faced with using stem cells, hell yeah harvest everything. I'd be all for non-capital cases like rape and aggrivated assault to be volunteered to donate those organs that they already have two of. You rape someone, you might lose a kidney. You want to beat up innocent people in their home while stealing their stuff, you owe us a lung. There's plenty of people more valuable to society dying for lack of the organs these kind of people waste.

/ooo, I feel all Ann Coultery.
 
2005-05-15 05:00:18 AM
As well you should
 
2005-05-15 05:19:02 AM
I love this site. The same people who get all up in arms anytime their rights are threatened in regard to free speech or their ability to use illegal drugs without the cops searching them are oh so willing to say, jokingly or not, that they support government sponsored butchering of citizens. I think most of you realize that if it weren't for murderers and rapists, you'd pretty much be the only worthless members of society left. I know it's harsh, but so is the world outside mom's basement.
 
2005-05-15 05:20:05 AM
I are sik of teh prisuns bein liek luxury hostels, with teh color teeveesand teh helf care.
Let heir fry wit him, cause there creeminuhls.

/Just getting that out of the way.
 
2005-05-15 05:20:36 AM
^^^Don't usually troll, but come on people, it's called human rights.
 
2005-05-15 05:23:00 AM
Your Fairy Hockey Player

Dude, don't forget about us in our dorms... c'mon!!!!
 
2005-05-15 05:26:38 AM
Your Fairy Hockey Player:

Butchering of citizens? How about calling it execution of murderers? Don't sugercoat it.

/Supports the death penalty in principle.
//Doesn't support the system in place for implimentation of death penalty, to open for error, to stupidly done (I would think being shot in the head would cost less and be just as painless as a lethal injection)
 
2005-05-15 05:28:53 AM
I'd be all for non-capital cases like rape and aggrivated assault to be volunteered to donate those organs that they already have two of.

I'm not sure about that one, BearToy. Not that I have anything against making use of their organs, but according to the media DNA evidence has shown that a lot of people have been wrongly convicted over time. It seems that most of the cases made public show that these people were railroaded for nothing more than convenience. Of course, the media has exaggerated things once or twice in the past...

Still, while this might be a slippery-slope argument, what would happen if suddenly a conviction meant an 'opportunity' for a highly profitable industry and saving the life for a dying, wealthy individual? There's a lot of incentive to make the whole process faster and more harsh.
 
2005-05-15 05:29:43 AM
Your Fairy Hockey Player, I love that quote in your profile. Upright Citizens Brigade rulez.

But people on death row can SUCK IT!

Oh hey, did you know I have a time machine in my room? Do you wanna see it?
 
2005-05-15 05:32:49 AM
IUJHJSDHE: How about calling it execution of murderers? Don't sugercoat it.

While I do oppose the death penalty, my post was mainly meant to address the crowd that always comes out to say that capital punishment isn't harsh enough and we should cut up, shoot, torture, yada yada yada, all the people on death row. There are several posts above in this category.
 
2005-05-15 05:33:26 AM
If I've learned nothing else from old Frankenstein movies, I've learned you should never use the organs from executed criminals for transplants. It can only end badly.
 
2005-05-15 05:35:23 AM
bbcrackmonkey: Oh hey, did you know I have a time machine in my room?

Ohhhhh no, not falling for that again.
 
TWX
2005-05-15 05:38:11 AM
Chameleon:

There is a very, very important reason why there specifically is no mandate at all for any kind of tissue gathering from people sentenced to die, and that is to prevent the system from evolving into one where increasingly lesser crimes receive a death sentence in order to harvest organs.

Right now nearly everyone on Death Row has been convicted of taking a life. What if we then find that Rapists should be sentenced to die too, so we also start taking their organs? Oh, what about people who commit aggrevated assault with a deadly weapon? They're obviously a hazard to society, and we have all of these honest, hard working people who need organs. We should execute those bad guys too.

Eventually you reach a point where any form a crime mandates organ transplants. You have a desirable tissue configuration? They look for something on you, charge you, execute you, and harvest your body parts.

I do believe that it is just to allow inmates to voluntarily choose to be organ donors if they are not prompted in any way by the State to do so. My only concern then is that families of people in need will pressure the condemned into specifically choosing such (and possibly foregoing appeals) due to incentives that might be offered to the condemned's family.

I would support a system that allows an inmate to spontaneously decide to donate their tissue after death, but only if literally things are left to altruistic, just intentions.

/yes, read a short story about the subject of tissue collection from the death penalty, but don't remember what it was called.
 
2005-05-15 05:39:12 AM
MrCheeks: He's trying to get out one organ at a time.

excellent
 
2005-05-15 05:44:19 AM
/yes, read a short story about the subject of tissue collection from the death penalty, but don't remember what it was called.

It was called "Nightmare Cafeteria" from 2F03, with Russi Taylor as Uter.
 
TWX
2005-05-15 05:45:10 AM
Infarct:

The problem with sedating a person to then do something to them that kills them is that it violates the Hippocratic Oath that doctors swear to adhere to, in which they swear that they will do no harm. Taking a man's life is doing harm. As doctors they can not in good conscience kill a man through medical means, regardless of the intentions of The State. The condemned needs to be undoubtedly dead before any vital organs can be removed.
 
2005-05-15 05:53:57 AM
Liver let die?

/going to hell
//who's coming with me
 
2005-05-15 06:05:26 AM
Aww, don't you wuv him now?
 
2005-05-15 06:09:37 AM
We need an execution and a liver donation at the same time.

This calls for doctor nick.
 
2005-05-15 06:14:18 AM
TWX: As doctors they can not in good conscience kill a man through medical means
incorrect.
 
2005-05-15 06:19:39 AM
Edipis: incorrect.


You are right. Just ask the doctors in Nazi-Germany....
 
2005-05-15 06:36:55 AM
So let me get this straight:

the same folk who believe in the death penalty AND the "culture of life" are saying we CAN'T take a few weeks before we execute the guy (in the hopes that a liver transplant may save his sister's LIFE)?

Justice, thy name is no longer in the dictionary. Hypocrisy has filled up letters A-Z.
 
2005-05-15 06:38:40 AM
Spectrum:

LOL, I was just gonna post about the movie where they give some guy a killer's hand and then he himself becomes unable to control his hand from racking up a few kills himself. Bad movie, but definitely applicable here.
 
2005-05-15 06:39:54 AM
TWX: It's a pretty much known thing that doctors regularly assist their patience into a comfortable death.
 
2005-05-15 06:41:52 AM
THEY SHUD DIE LK THERE VICTMIS LOL
 
2005-05-15 06:43:16 AM
Man if there's one thing I hate most about government and law is that no one can ever bypass anything without retarded objections. This guy is trying to help someone in life despite his own mistakes. He's not asking to stop his death sentence... and I don't see why postponing the date of execution even a few months should make a difference. Besides what's a few months when most inmates spend many years on death row. If I were the governor here I'd take away his whole damn death sentence just because he's willing to save someone's life.
 
2005-05-15 06:43:28 AM
Chameleon
If it were up to me, I would require mandatory organ donation from state executions.

That's what they do in China. They even made a whole industry of it: Selling organs from executed criminals all over the world, even the US.
It has of course raised suspicion that some people are being executed solely for the sake of their organs, but surely nobody could be that cynical, could they?

The gory irony of the whole thing is that the organs, which might save the lives of free, democratic Americans and Europeans, are sometimes taken from the corpses of people executed for being too pro-democracy.

But other than that, harvesting organs from executed criminals? Good idea!
 
2005-05-15 06:50:17 AM
I heard it was actually being an intern that regularly assisted doctors' patience into an uncomfortable death.
 
2005-05-15 06:55:10 AM
why not just say 'burgling' in the article rather than come up with a dreadful term like 'burglarizing'?!
 
2005-05-15 06:57:31 AM
A sister has a 25-50 percent chance of being a liver match. Probably closer to 50-100. Let the guy do it. Although he is going to get executed, he is only asking for enough delay to have half of his liver taken and then get executed. Just to give his sister (who had nothing to do with the crime he committed) the possibility of being saved. Days mean nothing to those on Death Row, but their families do. Imagine yourselves there. I have a twin sister, she has a daughter, and I am childless. If she (or her daughter) required a heart transplant, I would offer mine in a second, even if there was a 50% chance that it would be rejected. But her her daughter is beautiful and brilliant and my sister created her. I would give any organ. But only to them. And my parents.
 
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